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Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:23 pm

Greetings from Zimbabwe,

We are expanding our network and need to commission a reliable 83km PTP backhaul link in the 5.8Ghz band. We require a minimum stable throughput of 10Mbps minimum.

The profile of the route is shown below:

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At the 1614m site, the Mast is 13m high. At the 2324 site, the mast will be 15m high. Fresnel should be good, if anyone can assist by confirming this?

The equipment we intend placing in service at each site is as follows: Mikrotik RB800, with 3x2.4Ghz cards and 1x5.8Ghz DBii F50 Pro. The 5.8 antenna is planned to be be a Ubiquiti 5Ghz Airmax 34dBi Dish on each side.

I am looking for opinions as to if this will work, or should I be looking at placing intermediate sites (at huge difficulty due to horrible terrain in between the two proposed sites).

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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:38 pm

Have you used http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/ it's free just register, insert co-ordinates and check the results,
Of course if you have a option to use a intermediate site it will make your task much easier?
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:19 pm

Your fresnel zone seems not ok
It may not be a critical link.
You will have 10%-20% downtime.
 
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:55 pm

Hi Brian,

Have you thought about using a DBii F52n-PRO and Jirous JRC29-Duplex ? This would allow you to use 802.11n/Dual-Chain and provide a bit more speed.

Using MCS3 at this distance with this combo, you would have a 33M fresnel zone and could expect around -65dBm signal. This would provide you with a worst case of 10mbit full-duplex, but probably more.
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:50 pm

Hi Brian,

Have you thought about using a DBii F52n-PRO and Jirous JRC29-Duplex ? This would allow you to use 802.11n/Dual-Chain and provide a bit more speed.

Using MCS3 at this distance with this combo, you would have a 33M fresnel zone and could expect around -65dBm signal. This would provide you with a worst case of 10mbit full-duplex, but probably more.
Hi nz_monkey, n21roadie, digicomtech. I used the link n21roadie provided - thanks. Not sure if my parameters were spot on (Rx threshold?), but I am also coming out at around -52 to-65 dBm on RX side, depending on if I use a 30 or 34dBi dish on the 27dBm card. Fresnel is fine and assuming 25mm/hr rain, link uptime of greater than 99.99%. 32dBm thermal fade margin. All actually looks very solid.

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No experience in duplex operation, but may well be brave enough to give it a try.

Comments please?
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:11 pm

I would suggest 433ah + XR5.

There are 2 links here 104km & 80km that with r52hn work very bad, but with xr5 work excellent.
Would appreciate it if contributors to this thread could look at http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=52622 and give an opinion. Plan looks solid enough, but never been that far before!
Hello,

On both 2 these links the side A is at ~50m height and side B at 200height, the 90% of distance is sea but with no other obstacles.

The 104km link works with 80cm offset dishes + 5GHz handmade feeders on both sides and the 80km link works with 80cm offset dish + 5GHz feeder in one side and 30dbi ubiquity solid dish on the other side.

Both of them are very stable and work for a few motnhs.
 
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:46 pm

Dual-Pol is generally very good, and in most cases if single pol will work, so will dual-pol.

Just make sure you use high quality antennas with as much cross-pol isolation as possible. I used to use the Ubnt/Laird/Chinese style dual-pol dishes and they were OK but got best performance from the JRC-24/29 Duplex antennas, I suspect primarily due to the extra isolation.
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:57 pm

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I note you have specified vertical polarity can you try horizontal and post back results
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:25 am

Airmax Dish is dual-pol antenna, and its much better than JRC on long distance link
 
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:36 pm

Airmax Dish is dual-pol antenna, and its much better than JRC on long distance link
Really? even with worse cross polarization separation?
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:14 am

Hey NZMonkey; where do you source those antennas / radios from?

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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:43 am

@EarthStation

How do you makes this Graphics?
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:20 am

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How do you makes this Graphics?
http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/
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Re: Planning 83km PTP 5.8Ghz backhaul link.

Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:59 pm

While I haven't been to Zimbabwe I've got some experience with long PTP links we set up in Uganda. I learned one thing very quickly, never underestimate the rainy season. There's nothing like getting reduced to using HF data radios for IRC and email when it's raining so hard that nothing else works. :lol:

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