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Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:54 pm

Hi there,

we have a PTP Link (nv2) with two RB SXTs. Distance is about 400m, LOS, CCQ 99-100%. (Total) Signal strenght is -57dB (chain0 is ~4-5dB better than chain1). The link is working great. We run a (limited to 95M in both directions) bandwidth test thru the two SXTs and everything is working fine. We reach 100% of the bandwith (95Mbps). Then suddenly (after some hours) the link dropped (the AP shows a "control frame timeout" and the Client also shows a "control frame timeout"). The noisefloor is -115dB, there are only 3 5Ghz networks in our area but on other channels. There is no overlapping in the frequency).

I have no idea what is causing this disconnect that is only happening (as i can see) during high load on the link.

Any ideas?

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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:59 am

we note this beavior when the signal is better than -60. Infact in some cases when you use nstreme or nv2 with 2 chain we get the links disconnecting time to time.
Using only one chain woraround the problem (if you don't need high bandwidth).
or lower the power on both side to have -65.

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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:58 pm

Hah, i changed TX power from default (23db) to card rates (18db) ... now i run a BW/test sind over 6 hours without any disconnect!!

Really nice! Thanks :)
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:01 pm

a karma is appreciated! :)

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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:50 am

We are having the same problem.
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:21 pm

Me too. :D
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:10 pm

Hi there,

we have a PTP Link (nv2) with two RB SXTs. Distance is about 400m, LOS, CCQ 99-100%. (Total) Signal strenght is -57dB (chain0 is ~4-5dB better than chain1). The link is working great. We run a (limited to 95M in both directions) bandwidth test thru the two SXTs and everything is working fine. We reach 100% of the bandwith (95Mbps). Then suddenly (after some hours) the link dropped (the AP shows a "control frame timeout" and the Client also shows a "control frame timeout"). The noisefloor is -115dB, there are only 3 5Ghz networks in our area but on other channels. There is no overlapping in the frequency).

I have no idea what is causing this disconnect that is only happening (as i can see) during high load on the link.

Any ideas?

Regards,
Joerg
i'm testing two rb sxt and i can reach 95/100 mbit in UDP...
But what is the real throughput in tcp?

I'm testing a wireless p2p link of 250/300 meter( bridge-->station bridge ) but i can't reach more than 40 Mbit in tcp. ( transfering files from a pc directly connected to SXT 1 and another one conneccted to SXT 2 )

The link quality is very good, it's about -44/48 db
Both chain are aligned to 300Mbit...

200 mbit reported from mikrotik are in udp ? ( 100 up and 100 down ? )

Router os version is 5.12
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:37 pm

What happens when u generate BT traffic on 3rd party device - ect. iperf or Mikrotik BTest?
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:41 pm

What do you mean by saying: "what happens?"

i have tested only transfering large single files ( dvd.iso or .mkv files ) in one direction a time and i can't reach more than 35/40 mbit of tcp throughput.
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:48 pm

Are u using encryption? if u do - use AES
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:30 am

no encryption at the moment... i'm still testing...
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:54 am

no encryption at the moment... i'm still testing...

Try to lower your TX-power so that signal is between -55 and -60 and do your tests again.
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:17 pm

also if you experience the control frame timeout problem, please contact support@mikrotik.com, we could provide you with a test package that might solve your problem.
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:37 pm

What "know" proble is it the control frame timeout?

Where is described?
 
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RB SXT max throughput with nstream 80Mbit

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:19 pm

Hi.
I have updated yesterday the router os to 5.14 and finally i have tested and resolved my "max throughput" trouble! :-)


Now I can reach 80 Mbit in TCP using this settings.

( using NSTREAM instead of NV2 )


I hope this can be useful to other people.
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:28 pm

And what speed goes through if all 0-7 ht ampdu priorities enabled?
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:34 am

Using all 0-7 ht ampdu priorities enabled i gain others 4 - 6 Mbit! :-)

The latency too is very very good. During the transfer of 80 Mbit pinging the 2 radios is about 2.20 / 2.60 msec without interruption or peak.
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:52 am

I have "control frame timeout" problem too.

I had two RB SXT using nv2. I can reach any singal strength playing w/ Tx power. From -50 to -65. It works the same way whatever i set, "control frame timeout" is still w/ me.

Now i have OmniTik w/ SXT but the same thing in client SXT log "control frame timeout".

Please help me! It's killing me. I tryed all i can think. May be use nstream like pizzulicchio did? There are no disconnect anymore?

Station bridge is OmniTik.
Client bridge is SXT.
Both runing OS v 5.14.
I have average tcp bandwidth 45Mbps using nv2 both send/recieve.
The same i had using two SXTs.

Thanks.
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:00 am

Try the following: Set rates to "configued" and check MCS only till 12 and do not use MCS 13, 14 and/or 15 .. this _will_ reduce bandwidth to 180Mbit/s air-rate .. but just test if this will fix the problems.

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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:01 am

Thanks, done, however i don't believe this helps... Will monitor for few days. And my Tx/Rx rate is still 300/300 Mbps. What really MCS do? I google a bit, but don't found any descriptions how MCS checked values affect microtik work...
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:42 pm

Read forum more. Set almost so low tx power as i can. Distans 50m. Tx power card rates 7, was fixed rate 10-15. Tx/Rx rate now 60/180Mbps instead of any, can reach 300/300 for Tx power 15 and CCQ is 25/63% instead of 100/100% but seems to be more stable. Signal/ccq are not jumping at all now for a 5 minutes i monitoring them. I reach TCP bandwidth 50Mbps and UDP 97.5Mbps (lan is 100Mbps) thrue wireless instead of TCP 80Mbps which is enought for me. I can reach more by increasing Tx power, but i want to test this night will it disconnect or not...

Well no luck. It has lost connection, control frame timeout and lost connection, medium-access timeout... Doing more tests...
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:46 am

same issue in here, x2 SXT with nv2, now i set card rate to 17dbi for test if disco or frame timeout still
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:01 pm

please contact support@mikrotik.com for a v5.21 test release which most likely will fix your problem.
 
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:02 pm

Hey uldis,

is there any timeplan when 5.21 will be official released?

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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:25 pm

Hey uldis,

is there any timeplan when 5.21 will be official released?

Regards,
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Probably tomorrow
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Re: Annoying "control frame timeout" with RB SXT

Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:20 am

got same problem, but i find out thats was the watchdog trying to see the old sxt thats i have, now i have a omnitik, logs should be showing thats is watchdog and not something else.

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