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How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:03 pm

Hello,

I have the router RB751U-2HnD. I want give free wifi to my customer in my restaurant.

How many concurrent wireless users can support?

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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:40 pm

Wireless / advanced
max-station-count : (integer [1..2007]; Default: 2007) - Maximum number of associated clients
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:48 pm

max-station-count is one thing, another is - how many clients can connect, and AP would still be usable.

Usual answer is around 40 clients, and then you can test and see if adding more clients does not degrade experience for users. If usage is decent you could go up to 50 or even 60 authenticated users.
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:45 pm

Thanks janisk!!!

Can you recommend another model router for 100 connections for example?

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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:41 am

this is more of a recommendation for 1 wifi interface. for 100 concurrent users it is advised to use 2 wifi interfaces. So any router from routerboard.com with 2 interfaces could handle this.
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:18 pm

Thanks janisk!!

I'm a newbie, can you recommend a product exact? any Integrated solution??

Can you explain me some idea please.

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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:54 am

If you want to support up to 100 users and have something usable, you'll probably want to set up 3 access points throughout the building. Personally, I'd do more, but using more than 3 APs in close quarters can cause problems that you may not want to cope with.

For a MT solution, I'd get the RB750UP, and use that to connect and power up 3 of the RB951-2n access points on channels 1, 6, and 11, which will keep the self-interference to a minimum.

Next, these radios can run pretty hot. You want enough signal to cover the intended area, but not so much that you're making more noise than signal. To tune them, you can use a stumbler app on your phone, or just use MT's built-in scanning utility. I'd start with a tx-power of about 10db and work up or down from there.

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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:25 pm

Consider adding a 5GHz AP to your existing 2GHz setup ... more and more gadgets (phones, tablets, laptops, ...) also support 5ghz wireless band and it will take off load from crowded 2GHz band.

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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:52 pm

Thanks for info!!!!

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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Wed May 14, 2014 4:43 am

so did you deploy the WiFi??

how many con-current connections are you having? and which boards? how is the performance?
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:06 pm

max-station-count is one thing, another is - how many clients can connect, and AP would still be usable.

Usual answer is around 40 clients, and then you can test and see if adding more clients does not degrade experience for users. If usage is decent you could go up to 50 or even 60 authenticated users.
BaseBox2 can provide 50-60 concurrent user?
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:14 pm

When you want to support that many users, get a model that does 2 and 5 GHz. It really helps a lot.
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:41 pm

When you want to support that many users, get a model that does 2 and 5 GHz. It really helps a lot.
Our 90% users devices support 2,4GHz frequency...
and can you recommended other device from Mikrotik for 60 concurrent user?
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:51 pm

We are calculating around 30 wireless clients for wifi device for best results. We are also using Capsman with very good results. In your specific case I can recommend 3 or max 4, cap ac (RBcAPGi-5acD2nD) used with capsman from your router. This way you'll use 2.4G for 90% of your users now and 5G will be used when more devices go 5G.
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:39 am

We are also using Capsman with very good results.
Of course, I planning use CAPsMAN. Our router is CCR1036
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:40 am

In your specific case I can recommend 3 or max 4, cap ac (RBcAPGi-5acD2nD) used with capsman from your router. This way you'll use 2.4G for 90% of your users now and 5G will be used when more devices go 5G.
You testing RBcAPGi-5acD2nD for 60 users?
What do you think about BaseBox2?
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:49 am

In your specific case I can recommend 3 or max 4, cap ac (RBcAPGi-5acD2nD) used with capsman from your router. This way you'll use 2.4G for 90% of your users now and 5G will be used when more devices go 5G.
You testing RBcAPGi-5acD2nD for 60 users?
What do you think about BaseBox2?
Are all 60 users connected with 2.4GHz? => Use more than 1 access point
I cannot recommend cAP ac for situations with a lot of clients (30-50) any longer. CAPSMAN won´t help you. Something is wrong with cAP ac. wAP ac is more mature. Take a look at something else if you want 802.11ac wave 2 access points, e.g. Grandstream GWN7630 (90$):

- MediaTek MT7615 chipset, no Broadcom IPQ4018/4019 like in cAP ac
- 2.4GHz 4x4
- 5 GHz 4x4 with MU-MIMO
- PoE+
- Band Steering
- Dynamic VLAN Assignment with RADIUS Server and Wireless
- Inbuilt controller for 50 access points, something like Aruba´s instant
- they promise 200+ clients
- IEEE 802.11k/r/v roaming

(Beware those are still "cheap" access points, only. Not like any MikroTik RB which are full router.)
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:22 am

Other companies have solutions to move devices that do support 5GHz but still connect to 2.4GHz up to 5GHz, so 2.4GHz is really used only by devices that need it. But there is nothing like this in Mikrotik ROS. It have been requested many times over and over, actual algorithms were presented for YEARS, but still this critical function is not available in ROS, developers just ignore us. So you have to use many more APs than required and have to deal with crowded 2.4GHz channels used by most clients. And you can't change beacon interval on ROS either, so only way to make 5GHz look better for clients is to drop 2.4GHz power way down, but that makes it often too weak as there's a lot of interference on 2.4GHz. Mikrotik WIFI is just far behind the competition and it's really sad to see this happen to a brand that was once on the leading edge... but that's the reality. They are now playing the cheapest card, but that's really bad position to be in...
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:24 am

That is true, and it was also the reason I did not select MikroTik for the company WiFi network, but it should be said that all those "clever" solutions for steering the clients etc in practice all have to be turned off because the invariably cause problems with a small group of users.
I think they are only usable in a controlled environment where you can test clients for compatibility and decide not to buy devices that are incompatible.
In a large BYOD network like we have at work (~2400 users) and where users are not coming by your desk "hey my device does not work well on your WiFi", it really isn't possible to play tricks like that.
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:27 am

Hi there any good news on 2021? I have a tp-link deco m4 and a mikrotik hap ac as main router and 3 Tp-link as ap but are very slow and freezing should I sell the tp link and mikrotik and buy ubiquity or maybe tp-link Omada?
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:23 am

On the MikroTik forum you ask for suggestions about other vendors?
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:03 pm

What TP link do you have??

THe MT Audience will be supported for a long time by MT as one of their newer products and thus is probably one of the only MT indoor products worth discussing.
The number of concurrent users the Audience can handle would be a very good stat that MT should provide!!!
In the past I would say that anywhere past 15 people on a single AP was going to to decrease in functionality and thus have enough APs accordingly.
However perhaps newer units these days can do 20-30 before showing degradation.
In most cases, its necessary to control bandwidth per user so that one user is not allowed to take all the bandwidth availalbe on the network. This tends also to support those generally browsing and looking up stuff or checking emails and discourage those attempting heavy downloading or streaming.................
 
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Re: How many concurrent wireless users can support?

Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:16 pm

should I sell the tp link and mikrotik and buy ubiquity or maybe tp-link Omada?
It of course depends on what problems you are encountering, what budget you have for new equipment, and (in the context of this thread) what number of users you are dealing with.
At work we have a Unifi WiFi system and the APs we use are spec'ed at 500 users each. But I have never seen that number connected to a single access point, because we have several APs in the building.
Usual daily load is 600-800 users out of a total user population of about 3000. I never had any issues due to overloading, as far as I am aware of.
The router is a MikroTik CCR1009. But I would not trust MikroTik for a WiFi like this (unfortunately).

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