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Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Fri May 16, 2014 6:47 pm

HI
I need to establish a wireless link with the following specifications:
Point A :
Altitude : 1779
Tower height : 50 metr

Point B :
Altitude : 1429
Tower height : 36 metr

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What radio do you recommend?
What dishes do you recommend؟

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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Fri May 16, 2014 8:25 pm

Mmm...

~1Mbps?
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Fri May 16, 2014 8:34 pm

What do you mean؟
 
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Fri May 16, 2014 11:11 pm

At this distance...
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Fri May 16, 2014 11:16 pm

i need minimum 20 mbps at this distance
 
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Sat May 17, 2014 12:33 am

If you are serious about 168KM that it would be almost impossible i'd imagine. At that distance you would have to take into account the curvature of the earth, let alone signals to travel that far without loss of power.

Your better bet would be to break it up and have repeaters throughout the link. Some poeple have built very nice battery powered solar charged systems to sit atop mountains with no power.
 
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Sat May 17, 2014 12:50 am

With 34dbi antennas and RB911 it shows it will be posible...
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Sat May 17, 2014 10:05 am

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(168Km, not 161, but why is limited to 161Km the link calculator?.... :lol: )

For cable must be used LMR900 or better, not the LMR400.

RB911-5Hn: 23dBm @ 6Mbps,
RB911-5HnD: 26dBm @ 6Mbps SINGLE CHAIN,
RB911G-5HPnD: 30dBm @ 6Mbps SINGLE CHAIN,

@ 24Mbps (minimum for obtain 20Mbps, as required) the power are 17dBm SINGLE CHAIN,
if you use RB with both chain active, the power decrease.

You have considered Fresnel? 1468m mountain @ 75,2Km broken "lens"...

And not forget: in some country you can not transmit over 1W EIRP...
With that power, you never reach the distance...
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Mon May 19, 2014 6:06 pm

@ 24Mbps (minimum for obtain 20Mbps, as required) the power are 17dBm SINGLE CHAIN,
if you use RB with both chain active, the power decrease.
Do you understand anything from this?
The lowest single chain power is 23dbm not 17.
If both chains are used, power increase to double.
At 24mbps or HT20-4/HT40-4 power is 27dbm single chain and 30dbm dual chain.
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Mon May 19, 2014 7:24 pm

Nighty night...
Are you joking me?

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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Mon May 19, 2014 7:27 pm

>>>The lowest single chain power is 23dbm not 17
Lowest 23dbm?

>>>If both chains are used, power increase to double.
False, increase THE SUM OF BOTH CHAIN, but not double, on RouterBoard hardware.

>>>At 24mbps or HT20-4/HT40-4 power is 27dbm single chain and 30dbm dual chain.
When receiving the signal, each H/V part of dish antenna receive the single chain, not the sum....
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Tue May 20, 2014 12:50 am

Lowest 23dbm?
27dbm+27dbm=30dbm this is double the power in wireless and another radio transmisions
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Tue May 20, 2014 12:52 am

When receiving the signal, each H/V part of dish antenna receive the single chain, not the sum....
Are you sure? :lol:
btw everyone knows that 3dbi is double the power...
It seems that everything you know and write is wrong. You should learn these before giving (wrong) advises to others.
These two pictures are contradicting everything you know till now.
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

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When receiving the signal, each H/V part of dish antenna receive the single chain, not the sum....
Are you sure? :lol:
btw everyone knows that 3dbi is double the power...
It seems that everything you know and write is wrong. You should learn these before giving (wrong) advises to others.
These two pictures are contradicting everything you know till now.
Fascinating...
Following your teachings, I can use my CPE with single vertical polarization at more distance, if I use doube polarized panel H/V and transmitting on both channel...
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Wed May 21, 2014 2:07 am

...it's not my teaching, it's an fact.
 
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Wed May 21, 2014 9:13 am

Fascinating...
Following your teachings, I can use my CPE with single vertical polarization at more distance, if I use doube polarized panel H/V and transmitting on both channel...
...it's not my teaching, it's an fact.
Ok, I hope some other person confirm that:

You sustain that transmitting on both Horizontal and Vertical polarization, made possible receive strong signal with one polarization only antenna.

I knew that two electro-magnetics signal at 90° do not interact, because are perpendicular to each other,
and that Vertical polarized antenna are unuseful for receiving Horizontal polarized signal (and vice-versa).

I'm waiting for other people or documentation sustaining what you consider a fact.
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Wed May 21, 2014 12:13 pm

I think it is not smart to transmit 2 chains in 2 polarizations against 1 chain 1 polarization antenna. As there is no ideal antenna able to 100% filter the polarization, it gets one as signal and the second as noise. Bigger noise, bigger consumption and worse effective throughput are the only results.
 
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Wed May 21, 2014 4:42 pm

I would recommend you have a look on Fresnel zone - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_zone
Like said before, the best choose should be split this 168KM in at least 2 links.
Forget about this kind of calculator, it doesn't consider obstacles or Fresnel zone obstructions.
 
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Re: Is this 168 KM Wirelesse Link Possible?

Wed May 21, 2014 6:29 pm

You are the guy talking single polarity. I'm pretty sure Inox is talking about a 34dBi dual polarity dish.

This link is possible, theoretically, though I'm glad it isn't my responsibility. Sounds like it would be fun to try, but I'd hate for my job to rely on it.

Fascinating...
Following your teachings, I can use my CPE with single vertical polarization at more distance, if I use doube polarized panel H/V and transmitting on both channel...
...it's not my teaching, it's an fact.
Ok, I hope some other person confirm that:

You sustain that transmitting on both Horizontal and Vertical polarization, made possible receive strong signal with one polarization only antenna.

I knew that two electro-magnetics signal at 90° do not interact, because are perpendicular to each other,
and that Vertical polarized antenna are unuseful for receiving Horizontal polarized signal (and vice-versa).

I'm waiting for other people or documentation sustaining what you consider a fact.

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