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The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:55 am
by chimaster
Hi Team,

I've been a big fan of the Dude since I started using Mikrotik in 2006 ( or 4, I can't recall!). Anyways, It's a great package and does wonderful things and I still think there isn't much out there that compares for simplicity when managing basic network documentation and information. When it was announced for Dude that the reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated, I was 1 day away from packing up my 5000 devices and moving them to NetXMS

I was excited. About bloody time. Woo Hoo. Lets go Dudes!

Now.. 3 Years later, trawling through the release notes I see no major headway on anything Dude related within the Change logs. I see no implementation of new features or enhancements and little to give comfort that any real development is happening behind closed doors. There are so many fantastic things the Dude can do, could do and would do with the right love.

Please, someone, where is the Dude?
Where are his friends?
Are you leaving the Dude behind? No Dude should be left behind.

As I do every 3 years or so it seems, I'm loosing hope. I'm going to have to bring those not too old demos of NetXMS and Nagios XI back to life, upgrade them and look at moving away. For 12 Years I've loved your Dude. I've loved him so much and now my heart is broken because the Dude is stale and abandoned. The Dude could be one of the biggest draw cards to Mikrotik and only needs a minor enhancement or feature every release or so to give us confidence.

Make the Maps Stable and stop disappearing.
Integrate Google Maps or Open Street Maps and Lat / Long to devices
Make graphs reliable
Build some auto device backup scripts
Build in an auto backup feature for the dude itself
Add a scheduler
Create some user permissions and per map / device type permissions
Integrate API 3 and bulk updates / scripting
Create an asset register and enhance the database
Hell, throw in some ACS

Steal the thunder from Ubiquiti and UNMS and other tools which are actively developed but still lack the simple wonderlust that your dude creates amongst it's users.
Just a few tweaks here and there every release and you'll keep the hordes of Dudes (and ladies) who love your Dude happy. And who knows what a million happy Dudes could do for you?

How about a little confidence boost that there is active development?

Otherwise, this dude is going to abandon the dude too. :(

(And that sound so narcissistic, but it's not, it's just reality. I've told you before and I'll tell you again, you've got a great Dude, but he's loosing his sex appeal and developing a middle age spread that you won't be able to escape unless you love him.)

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:37 am
by turnip
Biggest problem I had with the Dude is that I'd upgrade a router and it'd stop working. If my router doesn't survive an upgrade, I can fix it straight away. If my client's router doesn't survive an upgrade, I have to go and see them and they're not going to be happy. If I upgrade them all at the same time, I risk having a very bad day. Why can't a dude agent continue to monitor a router of an earlier software version?

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:04 pm
by yonnie
Dude broke the network and had to stop using it. It was causing an interrupt about every 2 minutes which brought 80 users to their knees and not a religious experience I'd like to repeat! Am phasing out all Mikrotik devices from the networks as they don't seem interested in maintaining their firmware in addressing ancient issues.

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:16 pm
by eddieb
Too bad to read only negative experiances here.

I run dude 6.43.8 on CHR in VM .
It does what it has to do, runs for a couple of years now, updated with every release.
Sometimes a manual vacuumdb is neccesary to get snmp counters running after an update.
No further problems seen here,
great functionality for great money (read=free)

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:29 pm
by neutronlaser
Child's project made by child's company.

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:55 pm
by excession
Please, someone, where is the Dude?
Amen; let 2019 be the year of our Dude..

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:21 pm
by benjamimgois
Yeah... i suffer from the same problem. I also made the last petition to bring it´s development back, i don´t know if it motivates the version 6.0..... but i´m loosing hope again. Dude is really an awesome piece of software that is starting to show it´s age. It would be nice if it could have an modern HTML5 interface and better backp features. Really hope that mikrotik answer this post, but i dont think it will.

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:56 am
by chimaster
Sadly. No reply from Mikrotik. Hello Mikrotik. Give me confidence in the Dude! please!

It could be so much! We've started developing our own reporting via the API, API integration would be fantastic.. At the very least, share your plans with us... we're starting to drop off :(

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:58 pm
by benjamimgois
yeah, it would be nice if we could create a new project inspired by dude as an opensource. This way we wouldn't be dependent of mikrotik will to develop the software. Maybe a kickstarter projetct to fund it.

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:54 pm
by jmay
I wish someone would build a decent cheap program that works with all kinds of hardware. Right now I've got Dude for infrastructure, Zabbix for Access Points and Customer SM's, and a whole host of various methods to update software on all this stuff.

I can't be the only one with lots of competing gear a cheap boss that won't spend money on a nice system for us to monitor with.

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:16 pm
by chimaster
We've started our own application using the APIv3 to do a run of queries and expected responses and reports from our devices Proactive monitoring and reporting with Threat detection (checking for changes in file system or scheduling / ports / services) as a result of being changed by third parties... Once we get a decent base that ticks a bunch of our boxes we may consider opening this up for further development if there is enough interest.

We currently run...

Unifi
Unms
Dude
Netflow
cnMaestro
Smokeping
and a couple of other little scripts.

It's becoming a management nightmare. The fast pace of UNMS development from Ubiquiti is pushing us towards their AP's, if they integrate Unifi and UNMS we'll be even closer to dropping dude and Mikrotik beyond the border. UNMS has been bringing in external device monitoring via SNMP. Whilst still only beta we're seeing a release every month or two with Major enhancements.

I think Mikrotik should be getting development cranking in Dude. integrate API, cAPsMAN and so forth.. I've got 560 Pico Stations to replace this year. I'm probably going to use Ubiquiti, but we've been experimenting with the mANTbox which we like for our requirements. But centralised management is leaning towards UNMS just based on the updates and active production even though we struggle with their Antenna selection.

We'll keep using Mikrotik at the border, but we've got 5000 AP's. 560 need to be replaced this year to get upgraded (excluding any new builds) and the active development of a Mikrotik competitor is pulling us in...

Have attached the same site in UNMS vs Dude. Trimmed some important details out but you'll get the gist. So do we pull all the Ubiquiti out and struggle with managing it in the dude or do we keep it all Ubiquiti and only have one Mikrotik at the Perimeter using SNMP for monitoring in conjunction with our own API scripts.

And I think... That is where Mikrotik are missing the point. If you have a good solid management tool that supports your products, is actively developed and is making your clients lives easier.. Then you're locking your clients into your hardware and software. If you leave it and ignore it, then we all start to consider other options that make our lives easier and happier because really, if you're not doing that, then ... what's the point?

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:43 am
by dasvos
yeah, it would be nice if we could create a new project inspired by dude as an opensource. This way we wouldn't be dependent of mikrotik will to develop the software. Maybe a kickstarter projetct to fund it.
Something that big as open source? Yeah, not going to happen. The industry is flooded with not so free monitoring solutions, expecting their capabilities and more in an open source project will never work.

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:09 am
by vecernik87
Something that big as open source? ...
"that big" ?? Cmon, it is NOT that big. Server does not do anything else than scheduling and sending packets based on DB entries. Client does not do anything else than visualizing the DB.
What I admire is the simple and configurable approach, which is missed by most of other tools. What seems to be big thing is just nice lightweight data-driven app.
.. The industry is flooded with not so free monitoring solutions, expecting their capabilities and more in an open source project will never work. ...
And we won't need more than 640kB or memory...
If you said 30 years ago, that there will be open source operating system used on majority of devices on earth, people would laugh at you. Today, Linux is everywhere...

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:24 am
by tikplus
yeah, it would be nice if we could create a new project inspired by dude as an opensource. This way we wouldn't be dependent of mikrotik will to develop the software. Maybe a kickstarter projetct to fund it.
Dude is now opensource ???!

Re: The Dude IS Dead, really, isn't it?

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:39 pm
by benjamimgois
yeah, it would be nice if we could create a new project inspired by dude as an opensource. This way we wouldn't be dependent of mikrotik will to develop the software. Maybe a kickstarter projetct to fund it.
Something that big as open source? Yeah, not going to happen. The industry is flooded with not so free monitoring solutions, expecting their capabilities and more in an open source project will never work.
I disagree, there´s a lot more complex opensource software out there. Even monitoring tools like Zabbix and cacti aren´t that different in terms of complexity.