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Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:26 am

I was thinking to expand storage for my RB5009 with enclosure with USB SSD that I have standing around.

I know from experience that normal laptop HDD will draw too much power, and over time USB poer / power circuitry will suffer.

Can the router handle long term connection to SSD in enclosure? Anyone have a setup like this?

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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:58 am

If the device itself has a power source of it's own, the only thing passing over that USB connection would be USB signals themselves.
Normally that USB port should be compliant with USB standards. But there is no evidence it is, nor that it isn't.
All it says in the spec is USB 3.0 type A and max current 1A.

Flash disk, ok.
Full SSD, I wouldn't power it from RB5009 but that's me.
Then again SSD uses a lot less power then HDD. But it may be at the limit depending on which SSD you use.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:43 am

I think the SATA SSD disks should be between 2-5W.. Which should fall in to 1A/5V range.

As for passthhrough - the 5009 has to have a rectifier, as the input power can be from 12-24V all of which are a lot above USB voltage of 5 V (unless PD).

Now... The Q is mainly the long term, because I know people use USB sticks for expansion purposes. - It would be ideal if someone with experience of connecting SSD to 5009 would comment. :-)
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:51 am

RB5009 exists for what ? A bit over 1.5 years ?
What long term info do you expect then ?
Containers and Rose are not even a year available (or about).
So what long term use data would there be (provided someone had the idea of attaching a USB SSD directly to that port) ?

Use a powered USB hub in between and avoid the problem.
Or wait... :lol:
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:56 am

Well, data for a year working without a problem would be OK... :_)

As for powered hub, that is actually a great idea. Can you recommend one?
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:06 am

I would not add a powered hub only for this. Either use a powersupply connected to the device, or use it as it is.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:11 am

May I ask why? (I am too inclined to use it as is.)
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:13 am

As for powered hub, that is actually a great idea. Can you recommend one?
Sometimes I happen to have one of those but it's rare :lol:

No real recommendation (apart from using stuff from Startech.com for my laptops with good results) but if you want to explore that route, might be better to search for a powered enclosure for that SSD and keep the other enclosure for true mobile use (and I see pe1chl is also going for that direction).
My thinking: I don't know for sure how ROS is going to react seeing a hub on that port ... best to have a one on one connection.

Out of curiosity: what are you planning to do with that external storage ?
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:15 am

I need to do a bunch of tests on docker contaners for database engines and apache/php.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:22 am

And why do that on RB5009 and not on a machine really suited for the required processing power ? (database stuff can be quite resource intensive)
Or is the test to see how it runs on RB5009 ?
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:32 am

May I ask why? (I am too inclined to use it as is.)
Well, "powered hub" that is usually something in the "cheap crap Chinese computer add-on" category and it is probably less reliable than your router.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:51 am

And why do that on RB5009 and not on a machine really suited for the required processing power ? (database stuff can be quite resource intensive)
Or is the test to see how it runs on RB5009 ?
RB5009 is very powerful. It directly compares with Intel Core2 Duo E4500, which means it is more than powerful enough for Docker with a database, a simple program or a flat-file web server, filtering server and such. That adds great flexibility and convenience, because adding an additional dedicated server adds to administrative overhead.

I also have one RB4011 on my desk for testing purposes, but that one is not as much suited for docker containers because of the limited storage which can be easily expanded on RB5009. (One thing on 5009 that I dislike *very* much is the lack of serial port, but we have what we have.)



Well, "powered hub" that is usually something in the "cheap crap Chinese computer add-on" category and it is probably less reliable than your router.
Understood. I also recognize that as a problem. That is why I asked for recommendation. I was looking into buying an industrial USB 3.0 or 3.1 hub, *if* I would be able to source it relatively cheaply.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 2:31 pm

I also have one RB4011 on my desk for testing purposes, but that one is not as much suited for docker containers because of the limited storage which can be easily expanded on RB5009. (One thing on 5009 that I dislike *very* much is the lack of serial port, but we have what we have.)
Yeah, it is a pity. I do have a RB4011 and I dislike the lack of a USB port (and the beeper). And of course the use of two different chip families
for 2GHz and 5GHz (it is a wireless model).

In the good old days we had the RB2011 which had all the options. But of course a weak CPU for today's speeds.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 2:56 pm

In the good old days we had the RB2011 which had all the options. But of course a weak CPU for today's speeds.
Enter L009 ...
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:37 pm

Yeah, it is a pity. I do have a RB4011 and I dislike the lack of a USB port (and the beeper). And of course the use of two different chip families
for 2GHz and 5GHz (it is a wireless model).

In the good old days we had the RB2011 which had all the options. But of course a weak CPU for today's speeds.
Yup. I second that.

As for 4011 I am just ordering one, as it has a very high throughput.
Enter L009 ...
Yea, but where is the screen? :-) I loved the screen.But realistically L009 is not much more powerful than RB2011. About 30% the most, the difference beeing that it has ipsec hw acceleration. When throughput is in Q, it is quite limited on faster links.

Also, the L009 is nowhere in sight. They told me not to keep my hopes up re getting it fast.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:56 pm

Also, the L009 is nowhere in sight. They told me not to keep my hopes up re getting it fast.
A distributor told me that it will be available in end of August / beginning of September.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:15 pm


A distributor told me that it will be available in end of August / beginning of September.
:D :D :D :D

Yeah. No way Anselmo.

I waited for my own RB5009 for A YEAR. And currently I am waiting for a bunch for a project (10GBE backbone, routers, switches) of equipment for about a month now. Everything under 2-3 months is a jackpot.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:02 pm

A distributor told me that it will be available in end of August / beginning of September.
:D :D :D :D

Yeah. No way Anselmo.

Well, if the news was phrased this way, it would make more sense:

"first deliveries are expected at end of August, / beginning of September".

But probably nobody asking about availability dates actually made a pre-order, those first units won't go to them anyways. So: go, place an order with distributor, and then wait for it to be delivered.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:32 pm

I have successfully connected a hub and a couple of drives to a 5009 or 2004. If the drives weren't bad in the first place (which turned out to be the case for a couple), they came right up. So ROS handles multiple drives without an issue.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:43 am

I have successfully connected a hub and a couple of drives to a 5009 or 2004. If the drives weren't bad in the first place (which turned out to be the case for a couple), they came right up. So ROS handles multiple drives without an issue.
Appreciaated.

As for power consumption, the drive I have is rated to 1.1 ampere. That is +10% difference, and I think data req from 5009 will never be that high to hit the max power. Regardless, I will try to find quality powered hub. I am just about to plug the drive in and test.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:23 pm

I am just about to plug the drive in and test.

If your RB5009 lets smoke to escape ... don't blame us :lol:
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:47 pm

I personally have been using 1.7A rated Micron 5200 SSD via USB to SATA close to year with RB5009 - no issues so far.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:46 pm

I personally have been using 1.7A rated Micron 5200 SSD via USB to SATA close to year with RB5009 - no issues so far.
How long? And what are you holding on it? - Meaning are you using databases with constant access, or stuff to boot with only ocassional access?
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:14 pm

mostly container and rose tests - some heavy writes after that no use at all.

p.s. Just checked 5009 - it seems that inner power delivery circuit should support 1.5A, we will recheck if there is a mistake in spec sheet.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:15 pm

mostly container and rose tests - some heavy writes after that no use at all.

p.s. Just checked 5009 - it seems that inner power delivery circuit should support 1.5A, we will recheck if there is a mistake in spec sheet.
I think it would be great if that is so. Design for 1.5A, peaks maybe 10% more. Normal (non-performance) SSD drive should be under 1.1A, so this is more than enough leeway.

Yesterday I ordered USB power meter from AliExpress to test actual drainage to be on the safe side.
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:03 pm

we have retested 5009 - USB specification will change to 1.5A
 
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Re: Long term effects of SSD HDD connected to 5009 router?

Tue Jul 04, 2023 12:25 pm

we have retested 5009 - USB specification will change to 1.5A
I appreciate this very much. I love it that you are flexible enough to do this, and that you as a company keep the original appeal for your devices.

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