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CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:19 pm

Hi,

Sorry for newby question, but can the CAPsMAN be configured to work in the network containing wifiwave2-enabled hAP AC2/3 and hAP AX2 if I want to use WiFi6 in hAP AX2?

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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:31 pm

There are two, incompatible, versions of CAPsMAN used currently: legacy capsman which can control cAPs running legacy wireless driver and new capsman which can control newer wave2wifi devices. The ones you're mentioning in your post (hAP ac2, hAP ac3, hAP ax2) are all capable of running new wave2/wifi driver and can thus be controlled by single (new) capsman.
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:33 pm

... but it does require, for now, 7.13 beta version.
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:40 pm

CAPsMAN, which stands for Controlled Access Point system Manager, is a centralized management system for wireless networks that is used by MikroTik. It allows you to control multiple MikroTik RouterOS APs (Access Points) from a single device.

Regarding your question, the hAP AC2/3 devices do not support WiFi 6 (802.11ax), as they are designed for the previous generation of Wi-Fi technology (802.11ac). On the other hand, the hAP AX2 is designed to support WiFi 6.

In a network managed by CAPsMAN, you can still use the hAP AX2 to its full potential, including WiFi 6 features, provided that the CAPsMAN version you are running supports managing APs with WiFi 6 capabilities. With the appropriate CAPsMAN configuration, the hAP AX2 should be able to serve WiFi 6 to clients that support it, while the hAP AC2/3 will serve clients with 802.11ac or older Wi-Fi standards.
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:35 pm

I'm going to let this one pass to show this is a CLEAR chatGPT response.
It DOESN'T know yet MT made wifiwave2 drivers available for AC devices... so much for the parrot response.

But the member posting it ... bye bye.
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm

Sorry, but it's still unclear to me whether CAPsMAN on an 802.11ac router can control an 802.11ax CAP. I thought the wireless protocols in all CAP network devices must be the same as they are defined by CAPsMAN. And, of course, all routers in my scenario are running RouterOS 7.13 and WiFiWave2.
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:22 pm

Using 7.13 beta, yes.
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:44 pm

Using 7.13 beta, yes.
Could you elaborate, please. Can I set the band in the configuration profile in hAP AC3 running CAPsMAN to 5GHz AX or 2GHz AX to control hAP AX2 without getting "out of range" message on hAP AC2/3 devices? I believe I tried that before and couldn't make it work.
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:48 pm

Using 7.13 beta ac2 can also use wifiwave2 drivers.
Ac3 was already able to do so.
And then it's all the same driver. The same capsman. The same fast transition settings.

What needs to be elaborated ?
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:58 pm

Using 7.13 beta ac2 can also use wifiwave2 drivers.
Ac3 was already able to do so.
And then it's all the same driver. The same capsman. The same fast transition settings.

What needs to be elaborated ?
My understanding of CAPsMAN (of course, I could be wrong) is that it sets WiFi parameters in all CAP interfaces according to it's own settings. Since hAP AC3, which operates as a CAPsMAN, does not support 802.11ax protocol, how can it control hAP AX2?
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:37 pm

Now you ask something different.

Ac3 can use wifiwave2 drivers already for a long time.
It can control ax devices acting as capsman controller.
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:22 am

Now you ask something different.

Ac3 can use wifiwave2 drivers already for a long time.
It can control ax devices acting as capsman controller.
No, it's pretty much the same question: can CAPsMAN work properly with both AC (WiFi5) and AX (WiFi6) devices in the same network. So you're saying that CAPsMAN can control AX devices even though the CAPsMAN host (hAP AC3) doesn't support 802.11ax and the controlled hAP AX will still operate as a WiFi6 device? If that's the case, does the band/channel configuration in CAPsMAN host require any tweaking?
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:11 am

Sorry this may well be redundant...

The "capsman" setup for the newer wifi is done under the WiFi Tab, not under the Capsman Tab.

It is easy to attach local wifiwave2 interfaces to configurations that are part of "capsman",
but they cannot actually be controlled/configured by the local capsman.
 
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Re: CAPsMAN with WiFiWave2 in mixed network

Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:20 am

So you're saying that CAPsMAN can control AX devices even though the CAPsMAN host (hAP AC3) doesn't support 802.11ax and the controlled hAP AX will still operate as a WiFi6 device? If that's the case, does the band/channel configuration in CAPsMAN host require any tweaking?
AX or AC is irrelevant here.
The use of wifiwave2 drivers will be the common factor which makes it all work together.

Checkout this help page, maybe it becomes more clear then.
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/WiFi

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