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60Ghz success

Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:03 pm

Needed to point to point link, the Kitchen to the Bell Tower at an outdoor event space.

wAP 60G AP near the top of the tower. Aimed around the Haunted Forest Jack-O-Lantern. Fed by A PowerBoxPro
wAP 60G mounted on the ease and routed to a PowerPoxPro. Which feeds the XV2-2T mounted on the other side of the Kitchen.

Distance between both unit is ~160 Meters. (Google Maps is pretty spot on.)
PHY 2.3G
Signal -66

Maxed out the 300Megs of the WAN with ease.
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Re: 60Ghz success

Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:51 pm

Very nice setup. Send it over to marketing@mikrotik.com for a MikroTik Merch coupon :)
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:25 pm

Follow up pics.
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Re: 60Ghz success

Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:47 am

👏 👏 👏

Now paint the antennas black or the same color as the wood.
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:50 pm

Sweet! Good proof of concept for any one here thinking of something similar. LIke the fact that the one at the 'house' is somewhat protected from the elements as well.
Reminder to me that the beam is fairly focused near each device and thus clearance is not a big issue as opposed to halfway between the two devices.
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:58 pm

Question>
(1) Why wAP 60 and wAP 60G AP?
Vice getting a wireless wire kit ??? ( assuming kit is a pre-configged wireless link with two wAP 60G AP devices ?? )

(2) Finally what ruled out the better WW Cube Pro
(longer ranges, more versatile and with 5ghz backup)
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:35 am

(2) Finally what ruled out the better WW Cube Pro
(longer ranges, more versatile and with 5ghz backup)
Cube 60 Pro WATER DANGER viewtopic.php?t=189614
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:57 pm

installation distance 160 m

Suggested for up to 200 m distance:
WAP 60 G $114
WAP 60 G AP $139
The difference between the two above should be only the L3 or L4 license?

WAP 60 Wireless Wire kit $228 (this is a kit with two 60 G, so L3)
Each device is 5W, can be powered by PoE or DC jack.

Suggested for up to 2-2.4 km distance
Cube 60Pro ac $149
Wireless Wire Cube Pro $298
Each device is 10 W, power is PoE only.

Being cheap, I see between 45 and 70 reasons for choosing the Wap60, not counting electrical power consumption (that in the long run sums up).
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:03 pm

Can you share the result during rain or fog?
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:34 pm

Each device is 10 W, power is PoE only.
keep in mind that that is consumption under full load - fully saturated all interfaces wifi,60GHz and Ethernet, if 5GHz wireless is disabled consumption is equal.
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:18 pm

keep in mind that that is consumption under full load - fully saturated all interfaces wifi,60GHz and Ethernet, if 5GHz wireless is disabled consumption is equal.
Good to know, thanks, but in normal operation is 5 GHz completely disabled or - since it is a (useful BTW) sort of failover link - it is in a sort of standby mode (thus consuming anyway some power)?
From experience with other devices in "normal operation" devices consume anyway much less that the max power stated on specs, so it is not that much a concern, but I thought that if one device "needs" 5 W to reach "up to 200 m" a device capable of "up to 2 km" (or "up to 2,4 km") would have needed more power.
If we measure Watt/link distance in m, the Wap comes then out as highly inefficient when compared to the Cube.
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:50 pm

Good to know, thanks, but in normal operation is 5 GHz completely disabled or - since it is a (useful BTW) sort of failover link - it is in a sort of standby mode (thus consuming anyway some power)?
From experience with other devices in "normal operation" devices consume anyway much less that the max power stated on specs, so it is not that much a concern, but I thought that if one device "needs" 5 W to reach "up to 200 m" a device capable of "up to 2 km" (or "up to 2,4 km") would have needed more power.
If we measure Watt/link distance in m, the Wap comes then out as highly inefficient when compared to the Cube.
I doubt that you'd observe a noticeable difference in power consumption from closer vs. further radios. In 60GHz, you want every last bit of signal you can get. The power consumption would more likely come from the CPU processing the packets. I also haven't noticed if disabling the WiFi card (5GHz) in the Cubes has any noticeable effect on power consumption.

That said, on Ubiquiti Qualcomm-based radios (AF60HD/XG), I've seen the transmitter adjust power until the RSSI at each end is -60dB (they climb to -40's during alignment mode). On the MikroTik radios, I've not observed such behavior, but I've also not seen power levels above the -50's in most of my installations.
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:00 pm

If we measure Watt/link distance in m, the Wap comes then out as highly inefficient when compared to the Cube.
Distances increase are achieved by using passive antenna parts - "longer distance" CUBE devices uses dielectric lenses, LHG series uses offset dish, nRAY sub-reflector and dish.
If signal is over saturated or device overheats there are some power adjustments in place that decreases a bit of power, but this will be hard to measure in total power consumption.
Devices are very power efficient.

without any traffic with both 60GHz and 5GHz interfaces active:5.7W
If i disable 5GHz wireless i get 5.5W
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:02 pm

Jaclaz and llamajaja

The sender may need to be multipoint at some point.

Ergo... No wireless wire.

The 5GHZ radio on the cube pro would not be needed at this distance and I am trying to clean up the 5Ghz airspace. Not add more things.
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:08 pm

Jaclaz and llamajaja

The sender may need to be multipoint at some point.

Ergo... No wireless wire.
I didn't criticize at all your choice of devices, it wasn't me, it was the other kid :wink: .
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:59 am

There is a coverage issue off to the right in the midway. The idea was move the AP off the DJ booth down to Grill. Would need to link back to the tower... Ergo PtMP.
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:40 am

That is the kind of logic I was looking for.

Ease of setup vs Range vs Backup(5Ghz) vs X-factor ( I had not thought of PTMP in the requirments ).

On top of that is the questionable design and quality control of one of the potential options being in the toilet was not expected.

Thanks Gotsprings, great pics, can almost see you wearing a straw hat and playing a banjo. :-)
 
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Re: 60Ghz success

Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:20 pm

Looking at anav...

"This one's got a purty little mouth."

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