It is our opinion and suggestion that MikroTik should maybe consider splitting out product lines. The 'hAP series" be geared toward home users and lock to only be configurable using the MikroTik application [mobile app]. All the 'hAP' series be coded within Winbox to lock out users and refer to use mobile app....

Also, with the hAp series being lower cost and marketed to home users or basic needs [even hardware limitations]... The MikroTik App would FORCE the end-user to use GOOD configurations that are known working and not break[Strict regulatory settings for wifi]. This will reduce silly trouble tickets.

Then all the other MikroTik products can be properly categorized.... [Routerboard, CRS, CCR, SXT's, NetMetal, mANTboxes, etc] be focus driven for professionals / enthusiast......

Silly naming of "ROSE" for only an add-on package. This should be RouterOS Enterprise on XX products. Then regular RouterOS for hAP or similar hardware limited products.

RouterOS 'non-enterprise' itself could then be a smaller package.... Similar as to what was done with 7.12 release separating wireless drivers to fit onto flash memory.

However, that is a far different discussion as far as market vertical for Mikrotik.

For us partners – would MikroTik consider investing and offering paid training or free e-learning classes? Let us enroll as partners, this will further expand what MikroTik can offer. Perhaps others take MikroTik more seriously. Given that UBT has lost their direction and creating products for every market and nothing is ever finished. We know MikroTik core is networking.

This can also be revenue generating for MikroTik for their partner program - Additional layer to the existing "MikroTik certified" or MikroTik certified trainer program, etc.

This is for MikroTik to remain competitive in various market verticals, all while continuing to grow.... It would be a paradigm shift - but could help lead product development and software enhancements.

I for one like MikroTik exactly because they don't do things like this. All users get everything and they're limited only by power of hardware, and it's good.

I really hope that nothing like this ever happens. That's the beauty of Mikrotik.

What's your profit of this? It sounds too complicated.

I feel at times, MikroTik hardware is limited by their software. Constantly dishing out low cost hardware can lead to software QC issues. I feel the hAP or other lower end routerboards fill a niche right now with features/performance/price. yeah, Run MPLS or OSPF on a hAP or low end routerboard for dev or home lab, but for production? Just because the feature is there on the lower-end hardware, doesnt mean you should use it.

I was merely making suggestion and looking for others take. Perhaps my view is much different depending on use case or the niche markets...

If MikroTik had a robust training portal, or learning center beyond their existing wiki documentation - this would help others further excel [partners and consultants].

Most every other vendor does this, plenty of options to choose from if that's what you're after.

IMO, it would be a huge mistake for MikroTik to become too focused on verticals. MikroTik is unique because the same device can be used in an ISP, a large enterprise, a small enterprise, a mom and pop small business or in a home. SpaceX even uses MikroTik equipment on their launchpad systems for Falcon/Falcon Heavy.

If you move to a vertical approach, it would kill what makes MikroTik attractive to most people.

There are different things. Crippling "home" devices as horribly as you suggested, that would be really bad. And for what? This is where MikroTik stands out. I can have load of cheap and limited routers, or I can play with something like OpenWRT, or I can get device with RouterOS and have all the power in nice friendly package.

With some other things, like if very enterprisy feature creates too much burden for MikroTik to have it working on lower end hardware, then discussion whether it really needs to be there can make sense. But is it the case? With today's hardware, even lower end is pretty powerful, today's low end is yesterday's high end. And unless the feature is tied to hardware (acceleration or something) or hits some other limits (memory, ...), it should work everywhere without too much effort.

Tend to agree with @StubArea51 and others.

But where I'd agree with OP is the area of "policy". It's often not granular/flexible enough to deal with some kinds of deployment (i.e. where you might have some "customer" account as well as the "admin" one).

And while "skins" can mimic some of what OP wants... it's not actually security mechanism. Perhaps if skins could be used as a user policy that benefit all users (or at least ones that deploy routers to customers).

Tend to agree with @StubArea51 and others.

But where I'd agree with OP is the area of "policy". It's often not granular/flexible enough to deal with some kinds of deployment (i.e. where you might have some "customer" account as well as the "admin" one).

And while "skins" can mimic some of what OP wants... it's not actually security mechanism. Perhaps if skins could be used as a user policy that benefit all users (or at least ones that deploy routers to customers).

Received and understood. It is awesome of MikroTik to provide their RouterOS on affordable and powerful router devices/hardware. For us looking to buy into MikroTik RouterOS and become familiar, the cost of entry is low for full featured software with no license paywalls. We've been working with RouterOS deploying MikroTik for ~10 years now.

Perhaps I have knee jerk reaction to MikroTik's recent naming of their new "ROSE" package. More sense for the RouterOS Enterprise be on CCR,CHR, CRS and other powerful devices for full features. Winbox, RoMon and MikroTik Neighbors are awesome features. Maybe one day they'll provide their own cloud management portal for partners. Or we continue to rely on third-party.

Or if MikroTik could develop partner portal, e-learning and enhanced support for partners/resellers and MSP. They rely soley on MikroTik consultants and assume these same certified consultants be ones who are also always deploying solutions to end-customers which have the know-how... We can be better empowered through e-learning? I feel there would be a higher successful deployment rates of MikroTik hardware through better training, documentation and e-learning? Also better support for partners.

Wouldnt some of us consultants, MSP's and WISP love to have direct access to MikroTik support?

I'm not knocking 'Tik hardware - its just software QC and refinement of the capability. Love the concept of GPEN.

We are passionate for MikroTik, but are starting to pull back for wireless - its a mess and are losing patience. New outdoor AX have been a headache with antenna-gain, and no more 802af/at...

For us partners – would MikroTik consider investing and offering paid training or e-learning classes? Let us enroll as partners, this will further expand what MikroTik can offer.

This can also be revenue generating for MikroTik for their partner program - Additional layer to the "MikroTik certified" or MikroTik certified trainer program, etc.

This is for MikroTik to remain competitive in various market verticals, all while continuing to grow.... It would be a paradigm shift - but could help lead product development and decision making for more hardware geared toward datacenter or enterprise type deployments.

Besides home / consumer focused RouterOS "RouterOS for home". RouterOS Enterprise for all else.

RouterOS [Remove some L3 features - MPLS, BGP, OSFP, etc]. Reduce package size. Reduce complexity for some product.
RouterOS Enterprise - everything, incl the enterprise package. Then MikroTik could scale and offer paid direct support?

The low cost MikroTik products are cheap enough for cost to entry. How many of us NEED MPLS, BGP, OSFP on the hAP or hAP lite type products? Can instead spin up CHR, else buy a lower cost RBXXX or CRS..

Or perhaps MikroTik will just shifting toward containerizing some of their add-on packages [IE: UserMan] and streamline their development/releases. [Less architecture to code for]

I'm sure MikroTik has sales numbers and to which markets they sell to for distribution.

Oddly enough -
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/Device-mode

[admin@MikroTik] > system/device-mode/print
mode: enterprise

interesting. Perhaps MikroTik is already been thinking they need to segment in some manner.

Oddly enough -
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/Device-mode

[admin@MikroTik] > system/device-mode/print
mode: enterprise

interesting. Perhaps MikroTik is already been thinking they need to segment in some manner.

You can set mode manually, this is another thing, probably created to rent the router with limited functionality at home profile, while returning it back to service and switching to enterprise.

As you can see literally no one supports you, because MikroTik is nice for it's availability with some extra features at reasonable price. And yes, there are use cases for BGP and OSPF and so on in a home environment, if you don't know - then don't tell it as a fact. No one will buy hAPs with mediocre Wi-Fi for hundreds of bucks, when there are "non-enterprise alternatives" such as tp-link and so on way cheaper.

Yeah, and these consumer "non enterprise" type devices typically "just work". The overload of features put bad taste in mouth for new users who are not privy to networking or willing to learn new network OS...

Its that MikroTik gives us the entire toolbox [awesome] for us power-users and us professionals.

Yes its great the cost to entry with MikroTik and the features available for the price. However, once you start deploying and using other enterprise devices [Palo, Forti, Cisco, etc] on a daily - the outlook changes.

We do love the MikroTik pricing for the CCR, RB's and other products - as they're swiss army knives. I just feel the "hAP" devices should remain as home/consumer level devices -- it'll keep out the noise from complaints of people being overwhelmed or having trouble configuring their new device.

I still don't get it. It's probably true that some people bought MikroTik router by mistake, and it made them unhappy, because they don't know what to do with it. But it wasn't caused by seeing too many weird acronyms in menu, it was because they know nothing about networks. They would have the same problem even with simplified RouterOS without "unnecessary" features. Unless you'd turn it into clone of those other "just work" consumer devices (provided that they can handle those). But then why would they buy MikroTik at all, and not some more well-known to them brand like Asus or TP-Link, as all their friends did?

I use hap ax3 at home, why would I lose functionality because someone bought wrong home device that "just don't work"? Those who did it accidentally can just return it back to shop. When you open MT shop cart, in literally every shop you can definitely see reviews like "it's HARD to setup for a novice, but it's MT and that says it all". So, if you say yourself "fuck reviews I know better" then it's your problem.

You can buy something like tp-link archer ax for like 50$. Compare this to hap ax3 (Suggested price - $139.00 - official site). hAPs are ALREADY hardware-limited, since they don't have things like SFP or switch chips or PoE is garbage (ax3 is a good example of that - fastest port is also poe-in and also poe-out and poe-out is just passive-poe). If you also software-limit them, there's no point for anyone to buy hAP, it's just way better then to buy raspberry+managed switch and do router-on-stick and learn some Linux. And RB is just overpriced for a home-grade router - even 3011 is 179$ recommended price, and that's compared to ax3 and even has no wireless, so you also have to buy AP aswell.