This problem does not appear when connecting to devices with 7.16 on them

subtle usability - show new package download like the winbox upgrade in top bar

In the WinBox4 scheme, the new System>Packages dialog is actually more confusing IMO. Perhaps I'm dumb, but actually I keep hitting OK instead of hitting the action button. I get this follows the new scheme, but winbox3 force me to look at which button to hit ;). But if you're checking winbox version periodically, checking the routeros version for the connected router & show that similarly be a nice usability without changing how package dialog work.... And the mobile apps already do a good job of showing an upgrade without navigating the menu tree, so it be on par with those.

RouterOS can produce some really big log messages now.
Would it be possible when opening a log message window, instead of having a very long window to have the message instead have automatic line breaks to fit in the box vertically?
Additionally, would it be possible to have the same line break feature when selecting the log message in the logs window if it's too long to fit horizontally?

Where and how can I switch between open windows? Is it really that hard to implement? You could add a full taskbar at the bottom of the main window, just above the status bar, like in Microsoft Windows. For widescreen monitors, this would be much more convenient than the way it was done in Winbox version 3.x. Also, please add a keyboard shortcut to cycle through open windows. Thanks for making it multiplatform—we’ve been waiting for this for years.

Not sure when it was fixed, but beta8 is working correctly with RADIUS credentials.
In dark mode, selection highlight in some input fields (like filter box) is very difficult to distinguish, at least on macOS (and I have higher-end displays that are rather color-accurate).

I would still like some additional way to filter/sort the Connection screen; a tree or folders would be really helpful, but I don't expect that to happen during this beta period. 😉

I am not a fan of all of the wasted space on the right side of many windows either, but that is a relatively minor complaint. MT team is doing great work here, keep it up!

This means that beta releases of Winbox should not be used to manage remote devices/systems.

Hold on. If you enter a command into the Terminal, it's the CLI that deleted those things, not poor WinBox! WinBox4 is just running a terminal session for you. It's the find command that not doing what you expect, and may be a different problem. Winbox3 would do same here, since it's just running same terminal to RouterOS shell.

Amm0, I enjoy the humor lol. I had some time to try & reproduce this on a test router. Loaded up some dynamic lists. Ran the command & it worked as intended. Tried it roughly 10 times. Must've just been a fluke one off, that severely angered me. Back to using Winbox4 beta...

Must've just been a fluke one off, that severely angered me. Back to using Winbox4 beta...

FWIW, if that's in some scheduled script, I'd add some "... print" before remove - just possibly prevent stale/in-flight config/realtime data from being used (i.e. kinda like F5 in winbox gets a refresh /ip/tables...). It's not first report of dynamic=yes troubles in address-list since it's a lot of dynamic data...

Must've just been a fluke one off, that severely angered me. Back to using Winbox4 beta...

FWIW, if that's in some scheduled script, I'd add some "... print" before remove - just possibly prevent stale/in-flight config/realtime data from being used (i.e. kinda like F5 in winbox gets a refresh /ip/tables...). It's not first report of dynamic=yes troubles in address-list since it's a lot of dynamic data...

Amm0, thanks for that info. That's good to know for sure. I did run it from scripts, not scheduled though. I edit the name of the list I want to delete & just run it.

Yes, Windows 7 was released in 2009, which is 15 years ago. To run WinBox 4 you need Windows 10.

LibreOffice even the latest version can still run on Windows 7. Just an example of large and complex software where this was still possible. Is this really so difficult? I now have Windows 10 on one machine but I don't like it. If there is no other way, will rather migrate the old but still usable machines from Win7 to Debian instead. Please reconsider.

+1. It doesn't matter, when it was released, it's still used on lots of machines.

... You could add a full taskbar at the bottom of the main window, just above the status bar, like in Microsoft Windows. ...

This would be great, I like this feature in Android app.

RouterOS can produce some really big log messages now.
Would it be possible when opening a log message window, instead of having a very long window to have the message instead have automatic line breaks to fit in the box vertically?
Additionally, would it be possible to have the same line break feature when selecting the log message in the logs window if it's too long to fit horizontally?

And/or a copy to clipboard button ...

OS / version give more clues... Did it work in previous beta before?

No, it has never worked... winbox4 never worked.. 3.xx is working.. .it is windows10, 22H2 Version...
There are no additional infos.. when i click on winbox4.exe.. it happenes nothing!
Adding a screenshot of the processes...

No hints whatsoever? Again, i can not start winbox 4 b8. I see it in the processes but the app does not open...

Thanks for WinBox 4.

Praises:

- Dark Mode - YaY
- Global Inline / hide password settings
- Resources default to being displayed (old versions you had to add each individual piece)
- Tabbed view is back :)


Some suggestions:

- Could you add Router architecture and version back to title bar? I see it at the bottom, but title bar area is where I'm used to looking for at a glance.
- Log - Red/blue missing from critical and warning messages.
- Can't adjust comment column width initially, have to click the column header first, then it allows to adjust width. Should be able to adjust immediately like the other columns.
- Clicking the Comments column header appears to have 3 different modes based on the icon change. But doesn't explain what they are.
- Multiple selections - Can't hold shift and use arrows to make multiple row selections
- Column ordering - Can't drag columns left or right to make custom order
- Search/Find missing
- Right click menu - Show Categories and Detail Mode Missing
- Notes - Missing show at CLI login option
- Connection (opening window) - Group/Note/RoMon Agent columns seems to be missing
- Connection (opening window) - Open in new window missing
- Disconnect button at top is missing hover-over tooltip to explain what it is. I know now what it is, but helpful for first time users.
- Don't forget about BSD, I use all platforms. All good for different reasons/purposes. Would be nice to have at least a FreeBSD binary.
- WinBox 3 and older seems more responsive. I do a lot of administering remotely, desktop sharing. WinBox 3 was very light and optimized. It's one of the most responsive programs that's still maintained today. Could WinBox 4 continue that responsiveness? One of MikroTik's strengths is how responsive WinBox is. Probably a result of it still being in beta. But just wanted to mention it before it gets too far. Hate seeing when software is revamped, but the best features of old versions are lost.


Maybe check others opinions on these suggestions:

Alternating row background colors is good, but kinda miss grid lines. Maybe a good way to make everyone happy, have it in settings to toggle on/off these. Be able to use it however; make them independent of the other choice. So user could have them on or off, both on, both off, however they like.

The New, Enable, Disable, Remove order to me seems harder to at a glance see. I know you're trying to put remove at the end because it's distructive. But New and Remove grouped together, then some separation space, then Enable and Disable grouped together makes more sense to me. Disable is usually a temporary action that is reversed by enable. So I feel those grouped together makes sense. Creating and remove is also related, so I think those grouped together makes more sense than putting the other options between them.

Comments input box are single line in Winbox4. Winbox3 and older were multiple lines. Might mess some people's comments up.

Lots of right-click actions missing. Most are still there, but accessed a different way. But maybe see if others want multiple ways to access those options.


Good work. Not complaining, just trying to provide feedback/constructive criticism.

Up until... 4.6? Recently, anyway. If I resized the main window - not the internal "sub windows" - the program crashed. Not anymore - this is getting better and better!
Linux, OpenSuse Leap 15.6, X11, NVidia proprietary drivers 550.107.02, RTX 3060 12GB, KDE.

Would be really nice if we also get genuine mac-telnet text mode application from Mikrotik...

Second this

There has been progress with the community version. It's back working now. But not being directly from MikroTik, it's subject to breaking without notice at anytime, and no ETA on fix. Not the community's fault. And not MikroTik's fault. Just the way things happen when two groups aren't working together.

Can launch terminal directly from dude. Which is a nice feature. But that's not pure CLI only. It's GUI based.

@normis Winbox 4 beta 6

Can't add new interface lists. I can create them in the terminal and then add / remove members in Winbox but can't create a new list.

works in beta8

For what is the "Workspace", when I can't sort items according to this list???
And again, I still can't save devices with the same IP address in different workspace/location...
Why?

Latest Beta and still incorrect czech language. In old version was all fine.
Still get this icons: ???? meanwhile this : ěščřžýáíé
Thank you very much for repair it.

Have updated to Beta 8, still getting error "Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout" when trying to access a device via L2.

I don't have firewall enabled on my mac.

Latest Beta and still incorrect czech language. In old version was all fine.
Still get this icons: ???? meanwhile this : ěščřžýáíé
Thank you very much for repair it.

You need to enter the text again. Importing of text that was entered in WinBox3 will not be supported, as the old WinBox did not store text properly.

Have updated to Beta 8, still getting error "Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout" when trying to access a device via L2.

I don't have firewall enabled on my mac.

Is the router directly connected to your compuer, or there are devices in between? In general MAC address connection works fine, so it is something with your setup. Note that the MAC connection should ONLY be used for recovery, not as a daly way to connect.

For what is the "Workspace", when I can't sort items according to this list???
And again, I still can't save devices with the same IP address in different workspace/location...
Why?

Workspace has no relation to your IP. It is a way to organize windows. You can make a Workspace for managing wireless settings, and save only wireless, logs, scan window etc. to be opened. IT will work regardless of device you are connected to. You can connect to a router, and then switch between workspaces while still connected to the same router.

korg - we can't help with this information. It works for others using the same operating system, so it could be something in your computer that is causing the issue. try to disable antivirus, firewall, check if you have administratative privileges. Try another PC.

Excellent work.
Special thanks for the dark mode.
Desirable improvements:
- enable the "windows" menu item to switch between windows
- apply one workspace to many connections at once
- ability to import and export all program settings, including: hotkeys, hosts, workspaces, ...
- when selecting text in the terminal - immediately copy it to the clipboard (for example, like in putty)
- authorization window: add "groups" to additional host properties
- authorization window: display all columns in the saved hosts table, like in neighbors

Waiting for fixes. I don't use the old version anymore.

Today I checked out the new version and it looks awesome! 👍
Let me add my two cents about my expectations.
I look how many people also wrote about the need to return groups to the main menu but it would be great better if there was an option to add the necessary columns by yourself. And I really looking forward to finally being able to make a full-fledged portable version via .ini file or something like that!

For what is the "Workspace", when I can't sort items according to this list???
And again, I still can't save devices with the same IP address in different workspace/location...
Why?

Workspace has no relation to your IP. It is a way to organize windows. You can make a Workspace for managing wireless settings, and save only wireless, logs, scan window etc. to be opened. IT will work regardless of device you are connected to. You can connect to a router, and then switch between workspaces while still connected to the same router.

Ok, now when I know how, it works ;-)
But, it will be very helpful if it were possible to save and sort devices (IP addresses) according to locations/Sites.
Currently, it is not possible to save different devices (with different credentials) with the same IP address.

This problem does not appear when connecting to devices with 7.16 on them

referring to the torch tcpmux problem, I can confirm that the problem is gone on 7.16... not the solution I was hoping for, but...

feature request - Support Apple Passwords/Keychain/Secure Enclave to store RouterOS username/passwords

Since we now have a native app, it be nice if I could read/store the RouterOS creds with all my other passwords in the Keychain used by iOS/MacOS. To me, this is more secure, than some encrypted file - but just my opinion (& not saying it should replace the file-based scheme).

But for your users in the Apple ecosystem... this allow the same credential store to be used with both winbox and webfig and Apple-based mobile apps (if done right). Since Apple can sync the keychain between devices, this allow for "automatic sharing" of the RouterOS passwords, regardless of the interface (webfig, WinBox4, apps) - at least between Apple devices using them. WinBox would need to make the right call to read/store the password in Keychain, but iCloud/MacOS/iOS will deal with them from there.

And since there may be one stored from webfig already (since it already support keychain via Safari doing it for webfig) - even if WinBox4 just read those keychain-saved one, that be helpful – even if it did not have the feature to write them (initially ;)).

i.e. if some future WinBox4 on MacOS used keychain & iCloud Keychain was enabled(which I think is a default)... Then the BTH / mobile app could use the ones saved by WinBox4 (or webfig).

Excellent work!
I just noticed a bug. In Winbox 4.0beta8, the Bridge Port in IP-DHCP Server-Leases shows unknown, while it is normal in Winbox 3.41.

I will stay with current "ugly" version of winbox. I am too old (43), to change habits. This new version of winbox looks like cheep Chinese web interface for some 20EUR aliexpress router. Generally, I cant understand why everybody have intention to broke something that works well, Microsoft, Apple, Cpanel/Plesk..... The existence of product is becoming the purpose of the own. New features, optimizations, cross platform and again optimization should be the main goal, not new looking style. All IT industry, after been take over from boys and girls with nice haircut and nice dressing, going to hell. I miss time when enthusiastic engineers decide what is good and what is bad and what is going out to public. This version of winbox look like cheep ugly web tool.

Honestly, I see nothing wrong with old Winbox (I saved 3.41 just in case Mikrotik decide to pull it off the download page) but times are changing and Mikrotik is targeting professionals as well as home users and they love fancy GUI, one touch wizards etc etc. so they need to stay in the race with other brands. (Look at ubiquiti, tp link, alta labs for eg.)

What's new in v4.0beta9:

- return ESC shortcut to close sub windows
- add support for Groups for Saved router list in Login window
- add support to import Saved address list .cdb file (NOTE: old .wbx file type is deprecated. This means exported Winbox 3 file won't work, use .cdb file).
- add support for opening (changing database path) Saved address lists in login view
- fix crash when restoring workspace where opened object's id has changed its type
- Login window improved layout of saving password versus remembering last used password
- restore comment field text in Login view when reopening window
- store selected Workspace for Saved routers, and restore when selecting (in Login view)
- make form background a little bit lighter in light mode

I have no saved addresses and beta9 shows me "Loading address db failed:" on each run.

Thank you for finally adding the ESC to close windows, please add SEARCH [FIND] box on the sub windows

Any kind of router, Tp-link, UBQ, Netgear... will never be configured by any people who does not now what are they doing.
Only out of the box plug and play devices will be used by home users. If I took my neighboring peoples (wife, kids, relatives, parents...) They don't know anything beyond search for WIFI SSID and type password for that network. Setting up mail client is biond any kind of comprehensive knowledge. Migrating from one android phone to another is out of question and they always looking for someone other to do their current problem. Working meny years in high level of IT support even highly educated people are idiots for anything out of their job. If you move icon of AutoCAD from upper left do down right corner that’s it, they will call you and start shouting at you that they can’t do their job. In recent years I have a lot of jobs for IT companies who hire a hundred of programing business peoples, software developing companies. Those super workers don’t know to make 10 clicks to create vpn, or to configure email client, not now even with detailed instructions how to map network drive or some simple jobs. And I am in IT word sine late '90. Hero times. sorry. No need for Mikrotik or any other to make stuff for home users, or to do "nice" things for us because in any way or other the job will be done by some1 who is piss off by changing the way the tools are working for last 20 years.

What's new in v4.0beta9:

I always check logs and disappointed that the log window still does not scroll with up-arrow-keys down-arrow-keys plus the log window should always open at last log entry
For me Logs is a priority ,,, hopefully its a priority with your dev team ...

So the up-arrow-keys down-arrow-keys do not scroll ANY of the windows .... wow ... I guess the keyboard has a lot of work yet to be done ... shocking !!!

markom, Winbox4 has no "nice" wizard and tutorial things in it. It has all the same functionality as Winbox3, so please take your baseless complaints elsewhere.

@normis. This is not " your baseless complaints".
Sorry to hurt your filings with my opinion as customer, to your new product.
Winbox4 is slow to work with, ugly by my personal opinion and unnecessary waste of your time witch can be used for more bug fix and optimization.
But on the other hand I now that you have app design department and they need to justify they monthly income.
That's it I am leaving the chat about this topic.

Winbox 4 does not introduce any feature or anything for a "home user". As the super-pro user since '90 you can still find the settings where they have been in Winbox 3.x. Ridiculous complaint.

If you move icon of AutoCAD from upper left do down right corner that’s it, they will call you and start shouting at you that they can’t do their job.

This is the funny double standards part: complaining about people getting lost when AutoCAD icon is not located at usual position on their desktop. But on the other hand freaking out, when Mikrotik applies a new GUI on Winbox - where fundamental functionality wasn't changed at all.

@markom does anyone force you to use winbox 4?
Still you have options to use winbox 3.
Be honest for some troubleshooting i found easy to work on winbox3, but the new one looks pretty solid

Thank you for all the hard work and improvements Mikrotik crew.

@normis not a big request, but could you post the new release in exact the same format as routerOS? like this:

What's new in v4.0beta9:

*) return ESC shortcut to close sub windows;
*) add support for Groups for Saved router list in Login window;
*) add support to import Saved address list .cdb file (NOTE: old .wbx file type is deprecated. This means exported Winbox 3 file won't work, use .cdb file).;
*) add support for opening (changing database path) Saved address lists in login view;
*) fix crash when restoring workspace where opened object's id has changed its type;
*) Login window improved layout of saving password versus remembering last used password;
*) restore comment field text in Login view when reopening window;
*) store selected Workspace for Saved routers, and restore when selecting (in Login view);
*) make form background a little bit lighter in light mode;

Where *) are small changes and !) are larger or important changes. Also add ; at end of line.

Yes YES YES yes YES!! Yeppy!!!!

Groups are a requirement for most consultants to organize their router list :) Thank you MikroTik!!!

And ESC shortcut is just icing on the cake!!

I think I can start using this now!!

What's new in v4.0beta9:

- return ESC shortcut to close sub windows
- add support for Groups for Saved router list in Login window
- add support to import Saved address list .cdb file (NOTE: old .wbx file type is deprecated. This means exported Winbox 3 file won't work, use .cdb file).
- add support for opening (changing database path) Saved address lists in login view
- fix crash when restoring workspace where opened object's id has changed its type
- Login window improved layout of saving password versus remembering last used password
- restore comment field text in Login view when reopening window
- store selected Workspace for Saved routers, and restore when selecting (in Login view)
- make form background a little bit lighter in light mode

Congrats on the new WinBox! Love it so far, and I think it's going to turn out great.

I would love to see tabs for different connections. E.g. instead of having to open new windows for each connection, having them all grouped in a tab bar would be great. Similar to how it works with browsers. So having the option to use windows or tabs depending on what you prefer.

In winbox 9, at quick set menu, Local clients section is empty (I tested winbox 4 beta 9 linux version)

Would it be possible to do some "range" update function? Like update several interfaces with same update information. Or add multipl interfaces to bridge?

- return ESC shortcut to close sub windows

I like the ESC to close — but my issue is that is closes dialogs that are dirty (have changes, but no "apply").

ESC should not close a dialog if it causes data loss. Perhaps it could prompt to apply it before closing would work too. But right now ESC is too aggressive at closing.

Good point, Amm0

UPD: I found, that the bug with lines thickness that I mentioned in #993 (viewtopic.php?t=210505&start=900#p1097187) is only visible on scaled displays. In my case it's 150%. With 100% scale there is no problem. I mean system scaling, not WinBox scaling.

I found one small issue. When I am creating logging action in /system/logging/action via GUI in Winbox4, and leave Syslog severity empty, Winbox4 produces this:

If I do the same in old Winbox3, result is this:
I am quite unsure if it has some real effect. But I wonder why it behaves differently.

When I launch WinBox 4 beta 9 on Windows 10 Pro Version 22H2, it is locked into full screen mode and I cannot change it. Toggling the Maximize/RestoreDown button has no effect. I dropped back to WinBox 4 beta 8, and it does the same thing. Both versions work fine on Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2.

I have no saved addresses and beta9 shows me "Loading address db failed:" on each run.

Screenshot 2024-10-02 at 11.07.00.png

I'll double this one.
On Linux: had no saved addresses and it throws this error on every start.
On macOS: had 1 saved address, removed it(empty list now) - in this situation it does Not throw this error.

Basically: WinBox4 most probably needs to attempt to create a DB, even empty(the situation mentioned on macOS), if it doesn't exist, instead of throwing the error.

@normis, it's so good to see Winbox v4 moving ahead at pace.

I wonder whether you (MT) have considered creating a roadmap to show users which beta versions are expected to address bugs or issues that are still unresolved? The roadmap wouldn't have to have times associated with them, just an indication which beta version is likely to have the fix to specific reported issues.

Having such a roadmap would reduce the repetitive posts here because users would be able to see which beta is likely to address their issue.

For example, I'm really only waiting for the LTE signal graphs to come back, but if I could see that wasn't going to be addressed until v4beta11, then I wouldn't likely comment but wait until beta11. Similarly, if users were waiting for shortcuts to return, rather than continually requesting them they could just check the roadmap and see it should be addressed in, say, beta 12. It would save a lot of unnecessary repetition IMO.

Thoughts?

Cheers.

That is not a bug, that is a feature of scaled displays. When you scale a single-pixel line by 150%, what else is it supposed to do than randomly making it 1 or 2 pixels thick?

No comments... If you are not familiar with app development, pls don't post such a stupid assumptions.

I am not finding windows in left side menu bar

Now only RoMON agent field is missing from device list view...

I somehow miss the point of a recent Group implementation? It allows just sorting / filtering, but - where is the ability to segment the list, e.g. using separators like with old Winbox, or a collapsible sections, as with mobile apps?

Beta9 Request: If the Saved list is encrypted please start with the focus on the Saved list Password: field instead of Connect to.

Almost always if I create a New Winbox it's so I can connect to a different router in my encrypted saved list. Same thing at startup, I rarely connect to the same unit, and even if I did I need the saved list to retrieve the password anyway. This will save me from moving keys to mouse back to keys back to mouse.

BTW, the new "Remember password" vs "Save to list with password" layout works great! Thanks, beta9 is working well!

Great design, but i'm still waiting for simple queues sorting by names like winbox 3. Check the images below...

Where is the ability to segment the list, e.g. using separators like with old Winbox...

Yes. This!

While I'm incredibly thankful for the group's return, it seems unfinished without the v3 type separators. Please add separators to help define groupings.

Cheers.

I am trying to use the new Winbox 4 for 3rd time now in 10 days, so far not working for me.

1. I managed to import somehow my address-list with more than 500 devices. But WBX files don't work ? ( old format )

2. when I have list imported, I can't search in it. I see some idea for filter, but it does not work for me at all. Spend more than 20 mins looking and fooling arround - no joy.

So far so good, going back to winbox3 - and waiting.


I think you guys really need to check transition between v3 and v4 - all mirkotik core users here use winbox for years, so we need to transfer our old lists to the new v4 and then we can check and test. So far this is very hard.

I1. I managed to import somehow my address-list with more than 500 devices. But WBX files don't work ? ( old format )

Normis addressed this in the release notes of beta9. Scroll back a bit, you'll see it there.

Greetings normis. Updated to beta9 on MacOS 15.0.1. The firewall address list. If sorting the list, and you go to another tab, the list defaults to alphabetical order. The sorting isn't being saved. I don't believe it was doing this prior to beta8, but noticed it in beta8 & is the same in beta9.

Thanks for the improvements. Winbox4 beta is shaping nicely. Visibility in light mode is much better

Unable to repeat the issue, sorted filter rules by interface, went to NAT, went back to filter, rules still sorted by interface. Maybe something specific in your case, email some screenshots to support please

WinBox 4.0 beta 9, on Linux (Debian/i3) still has a problem with window selection. If I click on a foreground window, and there is another window underneath it, it selects the background window underneath it instead.

dave3, could you include more info, what window manager are you using, OS version etc. and send a video to support?