Hello,
I want to set up CAPsMAN to manage my 40 Mikrotik Wireless AP.
And I have planned to use "HAP AC Lite TC" as a Wireless router in every room of the Hostel. (reason to use this router, router will work as a switch, I have 40 rooms and want to install the router in every room, each router will be connected to the other router with an Ethernet cable, that's why I needed a 5-port router)
Is HAP AC Lite TC enough to handle hotspot users?
Specs
2.4GHz/5GHz antenna 1.5dbi
WiFi 5 chip
or I use HAP AX Lite?
Specs
2.4GHz only antenna 4.5dBi
WiFi 6 chip
Can 40 devices be handled with CAPsMAN / work fine?
Please suggest to me I should use 2.4GHz only or dual band?
Thanks
Re: selection of Mikrotik router for CAPsMAN
Depending on price maybe also consider the following devices:
- hap ax2
- hap ac2
For these they do support/require the "new" capsman which does support improvements like airtime fairness and 802.11 k/v/r.
Keep in mind AC devices with "new" capsman/drivers require a bit of a setup.
The hap ac lite does NOT support "new" capsman.
Hap ax lite REQUIRES "new" capsman (all ax do)
Well it depends on the layout and required throughput but I guess it's recommended to get a device that supports 5ghz as there's a lot more channels available.
- hap ax2
- hap ac2
For these they do support/require the "new" capsman which does support improvements like airtime fairness and 802.11 k/v/r.
Keep in mind AC devices with "new" capsman/drivers require a bit of a setup.
The hap ac lite does NOT support "new" capsman.
Hap ax lite REQUIRES "new" capsman (all ax do)
Well it depends on the layout and required throughput but I guess it's recommended to get a device that supports 5ghz as there's a lot more channels available.
Re: selection of Mikrotik router for CAPsMAN
Don't use AC2 with wave 2 drivers unless you want to risk having to netinstall each new version.
Flash space on that device is really too tight.
+1 on using 5GHz radios, much easier for planning your channels though you may want to stay away from UNII-3 bands since there are still a lot of client devices not supporting it.
Flash space on that device is really too tight.
+1 on using 5GHz radios, much easier for planning your channels though you may want to stay away from UNII-3 bands since there are still a lot of client devices not supporting it.
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miankamran7100
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Re: selection of Mikrotik router for CAPsMAN
Can you explain please?Don't use AC2 with wave 2 drivers unless you want to risk having to netinstall each new version.
Flash space on that device is really too tight.
+1 on using 5GHz radios, much easier for planning your channels though you may want to stay away from UNII-3 bands since there are still a lot of client devices not supporting it.
Re: selection of Mikrotik router for CAPsMAN
AC2:
as indicated flash space on that device is limited, only 16Mb.
ROS7 + wifiwave2 drivers really pushes it to the limit up to the point where you can not even do simple things anymore, not even upgrade.
Netinstall should always be possible.
UNII-3:
higher channels are not available for quite a bit of client devices (even recently released ones).
If your Access Point uses those channels but the client devices not, they can not connect.
If using this in a hotel environment, I would think you aim to have as much compatibility as possible ?
Or are you going to leave those clients to only using 2.4GHz ? Also an option ...
as indicated flash space on that device is limited, only 16Mb.
ROS7 + wifiwave2 drivers really pushes it to the limit up to the point where you can not even do simple things anymore, not even upgrade.
Netinstall should always be possible.
UNII-3:
higher channels are not available for quite a bit of client devices (even recently released ones).
If your Access Point uses those channels but the client devices not, they can not connect.
If using this in a hotel environment, I would think you aim to have as much compatibility as possible ?
Or are you going to leave those clients to only using 2.4GHz ? Also an option ...
Re: selection of Mikrotik router for CAPsMAN
Nowadays choosing for a new deployment a device with only 16 Mb (independently from radios,. frequencies, whatever else) is not a very smart idea, as there are already serious issue with upgrading as the RoS is getting bigger.
An Ax Lite at around $59 with 256 MB is adequate but it has only 2.4 GHz radio and only 4 ports.
An Ax2 at around $99 is more than adequate 2.4 Ghz and 5 GHz and 128 Mb and 5 ports..
But I don't understand the need for many ports on each device/room, can you explain?
Do you intend to daisy chain these access points?
If these ports are not really needed or can be replaced by a (dumb) switch, personally I would think of Wap Ax's (89$) as they can be mounted high on a wall, are way less noticeable than Ax2's..
https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_ax
An Ax Lite at around $59 with 256 MB is adequate but it has only 2.4 GHz radio and only 4 ports.
An Ax2 at around $99 is more than adequate 2.4 Ghz and 5 GHz and 128 Mb and 5 ports..
But I don't understand the need for many ports on each device/room, can you explain?
Do you intend to daisy chain these access points?
If these ports are not really needed or can be replaced by a (dumb) switch, personally I would think of Wap Ax's (89$) as they can be mounted high on a wall, are way less noticeable than Ax2's..
https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_ax
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miankamran7100
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Re: selection of Mikrotik router for CAPsMAN
Uplink will connect to the router in room-1 and room-1 router will connect with room-2 router and room-2 router will connect with room 3 router. Thats why i need 4 to 5 portsNowadays choosing for a new deployment a device with only 16 Mb (independently from radios,. frequencies, whatever else) is not a very smart idea, as there are already serious issue with upgrading as the RoS is getting bigger.
An Ax Lite at around $59 with 256 MB is adequate but it has only 2.4 GHz radio and only 4 ports.
An Ax2 at around $99 is more than adequate 2.4 Ghz and 5 GHz and 128 Mb and 5 ports..
But I don't understand the need for many ports on each device/room, can you explain?
Do you intend to daisy chain these access points?
If these ports are not really needed or can be replaced by a (dumb) switch, personally I would think of Wap Ax's (89$) as they can be mounted high on a wall, are way less noticeable than Ax2's..
https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_ax
I can’t connect it with central switch
Re: selection of Mikrotik router for CAPsMAN
Well, that in itself would need 2 ports per device, not 4 or 5.Uplink will connect to the router in room-1 and room-1 router will connect with room-2 router and room-2 router will connect with room 3 router. Thats why i need 4 to 5 ports
Central <-> Port1-DeviceRoom(1)-Port2<->Port1-DeviceRoom(2)-Port2<->...<->Port1-DeviceRoom(N)-Port2<->Port1-DeviceRoom(N+1)-Port2
But how much traffic will need to pass through the device in Room(1) when it has 47 devices in daisy chain receiving and transmitting data? And how much latency will be added at each AP?
Besides that, you did consider that if the device (or its power supply or the mains plug where it is connected) in (say) room 3 fails all rooms from 4 to 40 will lose connection, besides room 3, don't you?
Hmmm, of course you can (and you should) but there are technical or economical reasons preventing that?I can’t connect it with central switch
Re: selection of Mikrotik router for CAPsMAN
If the reason is not running cables to a central switch something like an Outdoor switch and cables running on the outside of the building might work?
But keep in mind attaching that on floor 7 for example will be a challenge
Or MoCA or the "new" powerline devices which work as like a mesh Wi-Fi via powerline.
But for your planned setup with one device passing through to the next, a WAP AX seems great. 2 Ports, good WiFi and (where i live) cheap.
I don't usually question setups.
But keep in mind attaching that on floor 7 for example will be a challenge
Or MoCA or the "new" powerline devices which work as like a mesh Wi-Fi via powerline.
But for your planned setup with one device passing through to the next, a WAP AX seems great. 2 Ports, good WiFi and (where i live) cheap.
I don't usually question setups.
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Re: selection of Mikrotik router for CAPsMAN
For a hostel, saving $1,600 may be an important consideration although compared to overall install costs, the extra $40 per device might not be a factor.An Ax Lite at around $59 with 256 MB is adequate but it has only 2.4 GHz radio and only 4 ports.
With Wi-Fi 6 clients, the lack of 5GHz isn't that much of a loss as you can get well over 100Mbps on Wi-Fi 6 with 2.4GHz. The main issue with the hAP ax lite is that isn't not wall mounted which for a hostel/hotel environment is important.