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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Fri May 09, 2025 7:45 pm

I have same problems on Hex and Hex S with 7.18.2.
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Ipsec or sfp is running?
L2TP/ipsec.
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Fri May 09, 2025 8:09 pm

Note that the procedure to update the backup bootloader at https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/spaces/R ... bootloader has now been updated to support version 7.18.2 (ONLY!) so when you get those warnings about NAND stability after an upgrade, now is the time to upgrade the bootloader to fix that.
(before, it required version 7.6 which is of course ancient and nobody wants to downgrade to that)
Thanks for reporting that!

List of supported hardware for upgrade factory-firmware code

PPC
mpc8544
p1023
p2020
UNSUPPORTED: mpc8548, mpc8343, mpc8323, amcc460

TILE
tilegx

MMIPS
mt7621L

SMIPS
qca9531L

MIPSBE
ar7100 (only some models)
ar7240 (only some models)
ar9330
ar9330L
ar9340
ar9340L
ar9344
ar9344L
qca8513 (MUSIC)
qca8513L (MUSIC)
qca8719L (MUSIC)
qca9531L (is the same for SMIPS)
qca9550
qca9550L
UNSUPPORTED: qca9531

ARM
ipq8060 (only some models)
UNSUPPORTED: ipq4000, ipq4000L, dx3230L, al2, ipq5000, en7562, mdm9607

ARM64 / AMPERE
70x0 (Armada)
UNSUPPORTED: al63, al64, al64v3, al64B, a3700, ipq9574, ipq6000, ipq5300, ipq807x, dx2528

x86
UNSUPPORTED: rb230

MIPSLE
UNSUPPORTED: <ALL>

ERRATA CORRIGE: ARM64 / AMPERE 70x0 (Armada) IS SUPPORTED
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Fri May 09, 2025 9:54 pm

Note that the procedure to update the backup bootloader at https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/spaces/R ... bootloader has now been updated to support version 7.18.2

Doc says it's universal ... but doesn't seem to be that universal ... it fails on my Audience. Diagnostic ouptut after uploading the .dpk file and rebooting:
[admin@RBD25G audience] > /system/routerboard/print
       routerboard: yes
        board-name: Audience
             model: RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD
          revision: r2
     serial-number: <snip>
     firmware-type: ipq4000
  factory-firmware: 6.47.9
  current-firmware: 7.18.2
  upgrade-firmware: 7.18.2
[admin@RBD25G audience] > /log/print
 2025-05-09 18:51:10 system,info installed bb-upgrade-7.18.2
 2025-05-09 18:51:10 system,info FAILED to upgrade backup booter: Unknown RB
 2025-05-09 18:51:10 system,info router rebooted by ssh:admin@192.168.42.10
The very same procedure upgraded factory firmware on my RB951G though ...

[edit] as already mentioned by @rextended in post above
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Fri May 09, 2025 10:24 pm

Doc says it's universal ... but doesn't seem to be that universal ...
The docs say...
your factory-firmware version is lower than 7.18.2 and your device displays the message → The "protected routerboot" feature requires a backup-routerboot upgrade ← when trying to enable the feature, do the following
So it seems it's only if you have the message shown... Did that message appear on the Audience?
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Fri May 09, 2025 11:09 pm

To avoid having problems like in other topics, it's better to update while you can... ignoring whether one uses that feature or not.
There is more underneath (unsaid, don't ask) that makes it worth updating.

ERRATA CORRIGE: ARM64 / AMPERE 70x0 (Armada) IS SUPPORTED
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Fri May 09, 2025 11:26 pm

You only need to upgrade the backup bootloader when you got one of the error messages:
2025-01-23 20:11:32 system,info,critical Optimal nand stability requires a backup-routerboot upgrade.\r
2025-01-23 20:11:32 system,info,critical Universal package can be found here:\r
2025-01-23 20:11:32 system,info,critical https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ ... D-Settings

or:
The "protected routerboot" feature requires a backup-routerboot upgrade

When your RB is not supported, you probably did not have those messages either.
Remember when something goes wrong during the upgrade, your device is bricked.
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Fri May 09, 2025 11:39 pm

There is more underneath (unsaid, don't ask) that makes it worth updating.
I don't find mere alluding to some security issue as any safer or even helpful. They claim to practice responsible disclosure. If something needed, don't you think MikroTik should say that themselves?

Maybe other people like to make that decision themselves, based on the same set of facts... i.e. if it ensuring an older backup bootloader isn't used, that be good to hear from MikroTik directly.

Hiding vulnerabilities is no way a company should act in today's world! You're suggesting it's security related, and probably right, but then SHOULD BE DISCLOSED!
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Sat May 10, 2025 3:02 am

..[CUT]..
Remember when something goes wrong during the upgrade, your device is bricked.
And do not bother trying to upgrade 16MB flash devices ..
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Sat May 10, 2025 9:04 am

The hAP ac2 isn't a device that requires the upgrade anyway.
The devices I upgraded were RB951G-2HnD which have 128MB flash and a Factory Firmware version of 3.24.
I asked about the importance of that "Optimal nand stability requires a backup-routerboot upgrade" message but never got an answer.
In that ticket I remarked that it isn't practical to downgrade to 7.6 and it was resolved this way (still a nuisance that it requires one particular version), however I don't think it is a good idea to just upgrade it because there is an upgrade and that is always interesting. Remember that the backup bootloader is the feature that allows you to netinstall a device that appears to be dead, and when this goes wrong it really is bricked (beyond techniques like de-soldering the flash or using JTAG)...
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Sat May 10, 2025 11:33 am

I know, it was just a simple test on a 16MB device at hand to check the feasibility.
I also tested on a 16MB hEX and the upgrade was succesful (just base package installed -> so enough space).

I'm not going to upgrade any other/remote device, but for those that are going to: carefully check disk space before as well as the real need to do it.
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Sun May 11, 2025 9:49 am

In my small lab, this version 7.18.2 runs incredibly stable and reliable on the CCR1009. It will definitely stay on for longer.
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Sun May 11, 2025 11:01 am

..[CUT]..
Remember when something goes wrong during the upgrade, your device is bricked.
And do not bother trying to upgrade 16MB flash devices ..
I don't think upgrade of backup routerboot (factory firmware) has anything to do with available flash space ... one uploads the package to device (in case of 16MB flash models it's almost definitely to RAM disk), after issuing reboot/shutdown command ROS takes the package, pushes it into routerboot section of permanent storage (I'm guessing it's either separate EEPROM or a designated portion of flash, so not eating into "nornal" flash storage space) and reboots.

Yes, what @pe1chl wrote is potentially true, routerboot update can go wrong and in case of updating backup routerboot it has potential to permanently screw the device. But again has nothing to do with lack of space on 16MB flash devices.
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Sun May 11, 2025 11:44 am

I don't think upgrade of backup routerboot (factory firmware) has anything to do with available flash space..
nope, it definitely does ..take a second look at my picture
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Sun May 11, 2025 12:02 pm

I don't think upgrade of backup routerboot (factory firmware) has anything to do with available flash space..
nope, it definitely does ..take a second look at my picture
Not sure what your picture is saying. What I do know is that not all devices are supported gor upgrading factory firmware (my Audience is not, it's based on IPQ4000 as well) and @rextended posted a list of supported devices which doesn't list hAP ac2 as supported (and my limited experience supports the mentioned list).

It's not clear where the error message shown on your screenshots is coming from ... not without knowing full state of your hAP ac2 (flash contents, RAM disk contents, state of package list, etc.).
My hAP ac2 has enough flash space - 2.4MB free - so factory routerboot upgrade should succeed if your theory is correct. But I'm not going to try (not right now due to conflicting WAF) ...


[edit]
Well, risking a major family crisis I went ahead and tried to upgrade factory routerboot on my hAP ac2 anyway. Here are relevant log entries of a failed attempt:
 2025-05-11 09:06:35 system,info installed bb-upgrade-7.18.2
 2025-05-11 09:06:35 system,info FAILED to upgrade backup booter: Unknown RB
So the only explanation of error message you are seeing, relevant to the process we're discussing, would be that ROS first unpacks the package into flash storage (even if RAM disk is otherwise used as root of storage) and this fails if flash is tight. In my case, after failed upgrade amount of free flash space is even slightly larger than before (2500kB vs. 2440kB) but I don't know if the same would happen also by simply rebooting device.
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Sun May 11, 2025 1:50 pm

In my small lab, this version 7.18.2 runs incredibly stable and reliable on the CCR1009. It will definitely stay on for longer.
No noted issues in that uptime?
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Sun May 11, 2025 2:45 pm

Upgraded L009UiGS-RM from 7.16betasomething, installed qcom-ac, reboot, uninstall qcom-ac as I've found it wasn't needed to setup CAPsMAN for qcom-ac devices, reboot, set wifi stuff, enable CAPsMAN, reboot -> dead.
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Sun May 11, 2025 4:58 pm

If I understand the docs correctly (https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/spaces/R ... bootloader), the bootloader upgrade is needed only if trying to enable protected bootloader fails.
If your RouterOS is v7, your factory-firmware version is lower than 7.18.2 and your device displays the message → The "protected routerboot" feature requires a backup-routerboot upgrade ← when trying to enable the feature, do the following:
Thanks to @mkx for trying hAP ac2. From the above I assume the "protected routerboot" already works on these devices.

Or are we saying there is some other hidden benefit in performing this procedure, and the unsupported devices are missing out on something?
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Mon May 12, 2025 2:59 am

Just had my first BGP routing crash on v7.18.2. Logged into the router because it was still advertising prefixes while the peer was down. The Routing->BGP->Connection tab stayed empty in Winbox even though this router has 10+ BGP connections. Trying /routing/bgp/connection print from terminal resulted in "action timed out". I had to reboot the router before everything was working again.

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Mon May 12, 2025 11:00 am

Or are we saying there is some other hidden benefit in performing this procedure, and the unsupported devices are missing out on something?
Aside from getting "protected routerboot" to work, which you probably don't want, there seems to be an issue with devices that have NAND flash (at least 10 years old, I think) where a warning is printed that a backup boot update is required.
However, I never got the reply to my question what the issue is and if it is important to do the update.
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Tue May 13, 2025 8:21 am

You missed the point, there was no warnings before upgrade or i ever touched CPU freq on this fresh unpacked device , its the upgrade which changed freq or whatever it did and now complains about "it self"
The upgrade didn´t change frequency. It changed You ability to change frequency between "auto" or "$VALUE" without manual intervention. If it was "auto" before the upgrade, it will still be on "auto" after, and the up/down auto scaling will still happens. If it was set on a given fixed frequency, it will still be on that one.

The difference is that NOW You need physical access in order to change the setting. And there is one place "/system/device-mode/" where You can change this behavior - again, physical access is needed to make the change.
1. May i know how to get into /system/device-mode/ to adjust the CPU frequency, please? It sucks to to lose functions which working fine at previous version.

2. In case it is difficult to get into /system/device-mode/, to which version i need to downgrade so i can reget the function to adjust the CPU frequency?
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Tue May 13, 2025 8:37 am

1. May i know how to get into /system/device-mode/ to adjust the CPU frequency, please?
It seems to me that it's a CLI-only setting. I can't find it neither in WebFig (7.18.2) nor in legacy WinBox (3.41). And the new WinBox (4.0beta20) doesn't work for me, Linux version insists on having GL extensions which are obviously not available when running remotely.

2. In case it is difficult to get into /system/device-mode/, to which version i need to downgrade so i can reget the function to adjust the CPU frequency?
IIRC below 7.17. The problem with this approach is that device-mode is here to stay, you'll have to learn how to change it sooner or later. So why not sooner?
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Tue May 13, 2025 9:08 am

Upgraded L009UiGS-RM from 7.16betasomething, installed qcom-ac, reboot, uninstall qcom-ac as I've found it wasn't needed to setup CAPsMAN for qcom-ac devices, reboot, set wifi stuff, enable CAPsMAN, reboot -> dead.
It's not dead, it just doesn't want to pass traffic anymore with the 2.5Gbps port of RB5009 which runs 7.15rc3, it links, no traffic. Weird. Oh well, I was waiting for a good enough reason to ditch that port, sad. I don't want surprises like this one in the future. R.I.P. ether1 of RB5009, 2024-05-17 - 2025-05-11.
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Tue May 13, 2025 9:31 am

1. May i know how to get into /system/device-mode/ to adjust the CPU frequency, please? It sucks to to lose functions which working fine at previous version.
On my RB5009 with 7.18.2 I can adjust the CPU frequency in /system/routerboard/settings. You may need to enable changing routerboard settings in /system/device-mode (update routerboard=yes).
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Thu May 15, 2025 4:59 pm

Hi all,

I was find many many BUG's in soft.
Firsth:
Netwatch not working but in version 7.17.2 it still worked and now it doesn't work ;) :D
] > ping 85.14.118.245 src-address=85.14.118.246
SEQ HOST SIZE TTL TIME STATUS
0 85.14.118.245 56 255 901us
1 85.14.118.245 56 255 1ms286us
My Netwatch is working on dozens of different MT devices with the last (and many previous) version(s) without any problem.
The problems start when you start using the field "src-address"
[@MT-Router] > tool/netwatch/print detail

Flags: X - disabled

0 ;;; WAN Interfaces Monitor 
host=85.14.118.245 type=icmp src-address=85.14.118.246 interval=10s startup-delay=20s 
up-script=/routing rule set [find src-address="0.0.0.0/0" and table="maintwo"] disabled=yes\r\npause 1\r\n ip firewall/connection/remove [find] 
down-script=/routing rule set [find src-address="0.0.0.0/0" and table="maintwo"] disabled=no\r\npause 1\r\n ip firewall/connection/remove [find] test-script="" ttl=2 http-codes="" 
status=up
Then 50%~75% is the probability that when the address is reachable it will not go from the Down state to the UP state and says loss100% all the time which is not true because in the console it shows ping with src thus it is reachable.
So returning from the "DOWN --> UP" states with the "src-address" parameter is screwed up.
If you throw away the "src-address" field then everything works beautifully.
I got around the "src-address" problem in a different way and it no longer uses this faulty field - I just wanted you to know that there is a problem with it.

The second very strange thing is that when I am in the DOWN state and the host is reachable and netwatch shows 100% LOSS then DISABLE helps from the GUI and then ENABLE helps rather always.
However, from the fiddle
/tool ​​netwatch disable $i
:delay 5
/tool ​​netwatch enable $i
sometimes it helps and sometimes it didn't.
I am currently not using the netwatch service restart script and not using the "src-address" field.
[@MT-Router] > system/resource/print
                   uptime: 1w1d7h29m22s       
                  version: 7.18.2 (stable)    
               build-time: 2025-03-11 11:59:04
         factory-software: 7.6                
              free-memory: 15.3GiB            
             total-memory: 16.0GiB            
                      cpu: ARM64              
                cpu-count: 16                 
            cpu-frequency: 2000MHz            
                 cpu-load: 1%                 
           free-hdd-space: 56.4MiB            
          total-hdd-space: 128.0MiB           
  write-sect-since-reboot: 209648             
         write-sect-total: 15416247           
               bad-blocks: 0%                 
        architecture-name: arm64              
               board-name: CCR2116-12G-4S+    
                 platform: MikroTik
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Thu May 15, 2025 7:02 pm

..[CUT]..
Remember when something goes wrong during the upgrade, your device is bricked.
And do not bother trying to upgrade 16MB flash devices ..

And do not bother trying to upgrade unsupported devices ..

viewtopic.php?p=1142236#p1142236
 
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Thu May 15, 2025 7:04 pm

I asked about the importance of that "Optimal nand stability requires a backup-routerboot upgrade" message but never got an answer.

To avoid having problems like in other topics, it's better to update while you can... ignoring whether one uses that feature or not.
There is more underneath (unsaid, don't ask) that makes it worth updating.
 
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Thu May 15, 2025 7:16 pm

The problems start when you start using the field "src-address"
I have no problems with that, but probably you have more special config than that, like multiple routing tables, routing in mangle rules, VRF, or whatever similar.
 
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Thu May 15, 2025 7:26 pm

I have no problems with that, but probably you have more special config than that, like multiple routing tables, routing in mangle rules, VRF, or whatever similar.
Still trying to recreate that problem, where one BGP route stops working. No joy, so far.

BUT

I'm trying to understand how RoS chooses the src IPv6 address, when starting one connection. I have several Wireguard tunnels, all of them using /127 ranges. Sometimes, when the router itself will make a DNS request, it uses the address from (say) wirguard1 - but uses wireguard2 as the gateway! Yes, every wireguard tunnel has one ULA IPv6.

Why I am saying this? Because I always thought the failed DNS query was due to routing problems ahead (this being DN42 and all that).
I don't remember if your routing problems were IPv4 or IPv6 related, but maybe this helps? Why would it help? Because if I disable the BGP peer of this affected wireguard, and enable it again, things start working.

The routing itself never stopped working, but the src address changes.

Yes, I`m running 7.18.2. But it happened in previous versions too - it's an old problem I have. Never stopped to look into it, until now.
 
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Fri May 16, 2025 12:13 am

I have no problems with that, but probably you have more special config than that, like multiple routing tables, routing in mangle rules, VRF, or whatever similar.
True, I'm using BGP, BFD, 2 routing table, actually without VRF(I had to give up VRF because MikroTik DNS cannot work properly with VRFs), many vlans, bonding, Eoip ;-), routing rules, mangle, NAT, filter, QoS...
a real testing ground for Mikrotik configurations ;)
None of that - it's production.
 
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Fri May 16, 2025 11:39 am

I'm trying to understand how RoS chooses the src IPv6 address, when starting one connection. I have several Wireguard tunnels, all of them using /127 ranges. Sometimes, when the router itself will make a DNS request, it uses the address from (say) wirguard1 - but uses wireguard2 as the gateway! Yes, every wireguard tunnel has one ULA IPv6.
There have been bugs in that, I don't know the current status.
E.g. in the past when using GRE6 on a router that gets its addresses using DHCPv6 prefix request from the ISP (and then assigning addresses from the received pool), and then setting up a GRE6 without specifying the local address, it would fail because the GRE6 comes up before the IPv6 address assignment has completed, and an IPv6 link-local address (FE80:...) would be used as source of the GRE6 tunnel packets. That would not change later when the address of the router becomes known.

Fortunately I could easily work around that because our addresses are static so I could just put the correct source address in the GRE6 config, but I still reported it.
 
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Re: v7.18.2 [stable] is released!

Fri May 16, 2025 10:25 pm

There have been bugs in that, I don't know the current status.
Yeah. You and me both.
But the question is (since I don´t know Your config): could it be something on these lines? Instead a routing bug, a source address one? I see my route vary, but I don't see them fail. That src address though...
 
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Sat May 17, 2025 3:32 pm

Did anyone notice in 7.18.2 that the checkbox "ipv4 fasttrack enabled" is not ticket, even if a valid FT configuration is running, the counters goes up but the checkbox is not set?
 
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Sat May 17, 2025 5:02 pm

It's fixed in 7.19

*) firewall - fixed IP/Settings "ipv4-fasttrack-active" status showing as inactive when it is active;
 
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Sat May 17, 2025 5:13 pm

It's fixed in 7.19

*) firewall - fixed IP/Settings "ipv4-fasttrack-active" status showing as inactive when it is active;
Thank you
 
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Sat May 17, 2025 5:46 pm

Interesting, I have "IPv4 fasttrack enabled" ticked on 7.18.2. But I have IPv6 disabled. I wonder if this bug was introduced when IPv6 fasttrack was added.
This is probably an example of why bugs are sometimes so hard to reproduce, given the almost infinite configuration options with RouterOS. No wonder why many vendors try to lock down configuration flexibility to minimize untested scenarios.
 
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Sat May 17, 2025 8:14 pm

Many vendors also add a testcase for each new feature and for each reported and fixed bug, and run each new release through all those testcases.
Of course that still won't catch everything, but it avoids the most obvious failures.