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CUBE 60PRO AC

Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:31 pm

Upgrading the OLD NS5loco to Cube 60Pro Ac for the better and high throughput performance. Nice to have like this kind of cpe which is not expensive yet reliable on the performance.

Kudos to Mikrotik Team.

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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:36 pm

They work and don't lockup like Ubiquiti 60Ghz stuff
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:22 am

They work and don't lockup like Ubiquiti 60Ghz stuff
Agreed!! But of course it depend always on the Deployment and requirements needed :) ...
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:01 am

Hi,
if Im not wrong this Cube 60Pro ac has ROS L4? So is it standard AP? I know there is also more expensive CubeSA 60Pro ac but could be Cube 60Pro ac used as standard AP?

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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:47 pm

non sector AP model have l3 licence, and obviously, also if you bu the licence, you have very narrow angle......
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:55 pm

Please check the Mikrotik product page, there is ROS Levels.

Could I find anywhere angles for 60G device?
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:49 pm

As ptp, for me, is an error on specification that support l4, better if you contact support@mikrotik.com

@Bruzxce please, can you check the exact model (system / routerboard) you have and the license level (systel / license)?
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:54 pm

Please check the Mikrotik product page, there is ROS Levels.

Could I find anywhere angles for 60G device?
ON THE PRODUCT PAGE.... :roll:

11° (+/- 5,5°) the non-SA and 60° (+/-30°) the SA
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:27 pm

11° (+/- 5,5°) the non-SA and 60° (+/-30°) the SA
@rextended, any chance you know what "SA" stands for ?
Also i can't find in the manual the +/- 5,5° and the +/-30°, so what do you mean by that ?
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:32 pm

@rextended, any chance you know what "SA" stands for ?
(is this a serious question or a joke? :?: )
SA mean Sector Antenna

Also i can't find in the manual the +/- 5,5° and the +/-30°, so what do you mean by that ?
60° / 2 = (-)30° & (+)30°
I mean that you can go left by (-)30° and right by (+)30° and 0° is where the antenna is centered / directed / pointed (sorry for my english).
Is why sector antenna have 60° coverage.
https://mikrotik.com/product/cubesa_60pro_ac
You notice that this model do not have the "deflector"?

Instead the "client" antenna have only +/-5,5° because is directive (and wider angle is useless because lost gain, and can be subject of more interfecrencies)
https://mikrotik.com/product/cube_60pro_ac
You notice the "deflector" that narrowing the beam?
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:40 pm

@rextended thanks...
SA mean Sector Antenna
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You ' re right...
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:04 pm

Yes, you can use CubePRO as AP. (We use it). But it have only 11 degrees for 60Ghz
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:53 pm

so it has ROS Level 4???
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:14 pm

@rextended, any chance you know what "SA" stands for ?
(is this a serious question or a joke? :?: )
SA mean Sector Antenna

Also i can't find in the manual the +/- 5,5° and the +/-30°, so what do you mean by that ?
60° / 2 = (-)30° & (+)30°
I mean that you can go left by (-)30° and right by (+)30° and 0° is where the antenna is centered / directed / pointed (sorry for my english).
Is why sector antenna have 60° coverage.
https://mikrotik.com/product/cubesa_60pro_ac
You notice that this model do not have the "deflector"?

Instead the "client" antenna have only +/-5,5° because is directive (and wider angle is useless because lost gain, and can be subject of more interfecrencies)
https://mikrotik.com/product/cube_60pro_ac
You notice the "deflector" that narrowing the beam?
SA, has many meanings. South Africa comes to mind and having a military background SA, means Situational Awareness.
Sector Antenna did not pop into my head right away. :-)

Also why is a left turn always negative LOL and a right turn positive, this may psychologically damage people that are left handed (or right brain dominant).
Back to the military again its either 30 degrees or 330 degrees ;-PPPP

I am still torn between putting a 200 metre fibre optic cable down now for a future boat house or simply giving up on the idea, and in the future install an MT 60Ghz ptp link............
LOS its probably 100metres
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:32 pm

@anav :P

Ok, but the sun goes from east to west, regardless of hand,
the northern hemisphere has more land and inhabitants than the south,
so obviously most people see the sun go in positive time from left to right,
and "backward" with negative time from right to left,
and as you can see, it has nothing to do with whether one is left-handed or right-handed.
Changing the point of view, from "one" looking at the sun, to a "radio" looking at clients, is positive by turning to the right, and negative by turning left...

Then that in reality it is the earth that turns counter-clockwise, and everyone makes mistakes, is another thing... :roll:
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:51 am

so it has ROS Level 4???
yes
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:15 am

As ptp, for me, is an error on specification that support l4, better if you contact support@mikrotik.com

@Bruzxce please, can you check the exact model (system / routerboard) you have and the license level (systel / license)?
Thanks.
Hi,
This are the Details of the CPE that you are asking for.
[Bruzxce@TW4AP60CPE] > system license print
software-id: 7UTW-XGVM
nlevel: 4
features:
[Bruzxce@TW4AP60CPE] > system resource print
uptime: 6d11h48m19s
version: 6.49.5 (stable)
build-time: Mar/14/2022 13:31:33
factory-software: 6.49
free-memory: 197.7MiB
total-memory: 256.0MiB
cpu: ARMv7
cpu-count: 4
cpu-frequency: 716MHz
cpu-load: 6%
free-hdd-space: 49.0MiB
total-hdd-space: 63.3MiB
write-sect-since-reboot: 5079
write-sect-total: 7542
bad-blocks: 0%
architecture-name: arm
board-name: Cube 60Pro ac
platform: MikroTik
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:10 am

We have a link currently doing 1.35km. It has dropped in very, very heavy rain - no idea what that is in mm/H, but think tropical thunderstorm type of rain where you can barely see more than 100m
Anything less than that it has stayed up. This actually makes it slightly better than the 60ghz long range dish

However I still havn't heard anything about which tx-sector is considered 'center'. This is vital to correct alignment as it needs to be locked
So its entirely possible that if re-aligned these would stay up in torrential thunderstorm rain if it turns out we're slightly misaligned. However alignment is far more difficult than the LHG60 with precision mount, and it does move slightly when tightening down. So even so it may not be realistic for most people

But anything short of 1km absolutely go ahead, zero problems
5ghz however is useless, at 1.35km its ~-70db which means single chain its lucky to do 50mbit/s reliably. It's so slow it is pointless for anything other than management (and maybe VoIP)

This has never made any sense to me, with MikroTik or Ubiquiti. They include 5ghz backup that is so bad it defeats the purpose, so just don't include it and save costs. I'd rather pay more for better 5ghz performance that is actually viable to use. Or better yet just remove it completely but add a 2nd PoE-out ethernet port to allow for powering and data failover for any other 5ghz radio
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:58 pm

Absolutely agree. 5Ghz backup is unusable. It should be at least dualchain and with more power
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:38 am

5GHz interface is designed as backup for 0.001% of time when main 60GHz interface is unavailable. it's not designed as Access point for other wireless clients or other uses.
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:43 pm

5GHz interface is designed as backup for 0.001% of time when main 60GHz interface is unavailable. it's not designed as Access point for other wireless clients or other uses.
A backup for what exactly? listening to an internet radio station? Because it isn't a backup for customer data. That would imply its actually useful which it isn't

I don't think anyone expects it to perform like you're suggesting, but it has to have enough capability to function as a backup data path (at lower data rates, sure) which is the desired and intended purpose
As it currently is the signal is so weak it will not likely not even establish in an urban environment at the edges of useful 60ghz ranges (where the 60ghz is likely to go....) there's no SNR margin at -70db and single chain is woeful
Hence would have been better to not even include it and save some on the cost. Or advertise it as 'backup console cable over the air' because thats about all its realistically useful for. It definitely will not be even remotely usable at the claimed 2.5km
Better yet increase the cost and also offer dual chain high gain 5ghz to extend the radio's useful range to the full 2.5km. If it was achieving -55db on dual chain at that range on dual chain so that its fast 99.9% of the time but still quite useable during those rainy periods, i'd happily pay a 50% premium or more

Maybe it would perform reasonable at 200 metres, but the thing is...
You need the 5ghz at range or adverse conditions - where its not currently useful
You don't need it at short range in perfect conditions - because the 60ghz will not drop anyway
Do you see how the logic does not compute?
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:43 pm

How is the 5GHz backup failover implemented ?
I mean what triggers the switch on the 5 GHz in terms of configuration ? Any type of bonding etc. ?
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:41 pm

How is the 5GHz backup failover implemented ?
I mean what triggers the switch on the 5 GHz in terms of configuration ? Any type of bonding etc. ?
New interface bonding, diferent modes
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:25 pm

5GHz interface is designed as backup for 0.001% of time when main 60GHz interface is unavailable. it's not designed as Access point for other wireless clients or other uses.
A backup for what exactly? listening to an internet radio station? Because it isn't a backup for customer data. That would imply its actually useful which it isn't

I don't think anyone expects it to perform like you're suggesting, but it has to have enough capability to function as a backup data path (at lower data rates, sure) which is the desired and intended purpose
As it currently is the signal is so weak it will not likely not even establish in an urban environment at the edges of useful 60ghz ranges (where the 60ghz is likely to go....) there's no SNR margin at -70db and single chain is woeful
Hence would have been better to not even include it and save some on the cost. Or advertise it as 'backup console cable over the air' because thats about all its realistically useful for. It definitely will not be even remotely usable at the claimed 2.5km
Better yet increase the cost and also offer dual chain high gain 5ghz to extend the radio's useful range to the full 2.5km. If it was achieving -55db on dual chain at that range on dual chain so that its fast 99.9% of the time but still quite useable during those rainy periods, i'd happily pay a 50% premium or more

Maybe it would perform reasonable at 200 metres, but the thing is...
You need the 5ghz at range or adverse conditions - where its not currently useful
You don't need it at short range in perfect conditions - because the 60ghz will not drop anyway
Do you see how the logic does not compute?
Absolute agreement. In order for the backup to be somewhat usable, it must be dualchain and have a signal of around -55db at 2.5km. 5Ghz singlechain and signal -70db is unusable as backup.
In a NOT noisy environment we can hardly push 40Mbit@20Mhz
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:48 pm

New interface bonding, diferent modes
What do you mean by New interface bonding ?
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:39 am

Hi!

Could anyone using Cube 60Pro AC check if there is voltage information under
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

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Hi!

Could anyone using Cube 60Pro AC check if there is voltage information under
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No Details at all.. I already tried it before..

[Bruzxce@TW4ST60CPE] > system health export
# aug/01/2022 09:51:16 by RouterOS 6.49.5
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# model = CubeG-5ac60ay
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[Bruzxce@TW4ST60CPE] > system health print

[Bruzxce@TW4ST60CPE] >
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:16 pm

Right now I have 5Ghz link. I plan to _UPGRADE_ them to 60Ghz to get better speed when weather is good and understand that 60Ghz does not work good under heavy rain.

That product advertise that it will failover to 5ghz when weather is bad. THAT IS GREAT !!!

What it is expected is that it will perform juste like 5Ghz device under heavy rain.

Then you stumble on that kind of post that should be at least "fine printed" somwhere on the spec...

Mikrotik you know what ? Nevertless the cost of a device, when it does not do the job, it is always too expensive.

I'll pass for now and keep all my old nanobeam-ac-gen2 that perform just great for 5ghz device.
 
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Re: CUBE 60PRO AC

Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:41 pm

Right now I have 5Ghz link. I plan to _UPGRADE_ them to 60Ghz to get better speed when weather is good and understand that 60Ghz does not work good under heavy rain.

That product advertise that it will failover to 5ghz when weather is bad. THAT IS GREAT !!!

What it is expected is that it will perform juste like 5Ghz device under heavy rain.

Then you stumble on that kind of post that should be at least "fine printed" somwhere on the spec...

Mikrotik you know what ? Never less the cost of a device, when it does not do the job, it is always too expensive.

I'll pass for now and keep all my old nanobeam-ac-gen2 that perform just great for 5ghz device.
Since I upgrade my NSloco to 60Pro Ac (950meter LOS) of miktrotik I didn't encounter any issue at all as i use it for PTP not PTMP set-up and on my area where am I the rain come very seldom and if its rain just a couple of minutes that's why I choose Cube 60pro. I'm using also the Old Cube 60G (350meter LOS) and since i deploy it almost a 1yr only one time that I encounter an issue and it was user error.

Always consider some matter before doing an upgrade. If your current set-up is working fine and fit on your requirements so why bother to upgrade just stick on it as it was working fine.
I choose to upgrade because 5ghz spectrum in my area are already polluted and congested and I need more bandwidth which I can get only if I upgrade to 60ghz spectrum.

Therefore before doing some upgrade just think if you really need to upgrade and what materials or devices are fit on your needs. :)

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