I see in the manual that the hAP ax3 has POE out, but I'm not clear on which port (or all ports).
I've got ether1 as my WAN port and need to connect a POE device to one of the other ports.
Thanks!
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Hi,
hAP ax3 has POE out on ethr1. You can do WAN from another ether.
hAP ax3 has POE out on ethr1. You can do WAN from another ether.
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
sorry, my unit is a hAP AC3.
I'm not at the location and am very reluctant to make changes remotely.
Does that change anything?
I see this from winbox:
And this:
I'm not at the location and am very reluctant to make changes remotely.
Does that change anything?
I see this from winbox:
And this:
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Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Product page says PoE out is on ether5 (only).
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Yes it does, but I missed it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Did you look at the ports when unpacking ?
It's indicated what's "POE in" and what is "POE out", with those same wordings.
Maybe that was too easy ?
But you're remote ... in Winbox you see the column POE Out, with Auto on for eth5. So that's where you have to be.
It's indicated what's "POE in" and what is "POE out", with those same wordings.
Maybe that was too easy ?
But you're remote ... in Winbox you see the column POE Out, with Auto on for eth5. So that's where you have to be.
Last edited by holvoetn on Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:35 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Why they made ether1 POE IN AND OUT, I don't understand ...hAP ax3 has POE out on ethr1. You can do WAN from another ether.
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
I don't understand the meaning of that. On the product page it says poe in/out on ether1, but it also stated here https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ax3#fndtn-gallery "PoE out" between ether5 and usb.
The first question: does it mean it would be possible to poe-out on ether5?
Second: whose brilliant idea was to put PoE in/out on 2.5Gbit port in ax3? Usually such speed devices doesn't require / provide PoE (NAS, PC, copper-to-fiber). Could someone explain me the logic here?
The first question: does it mean it would be possible to poe-out on ether5?
Second: whose brilliant idea was to put PoE in/out on 2.5Gbit port in ax3? Usually such speed devices doesn't require / provide PoE (NAS, PC, copper-to-fiber). Could someone explain me the logic here?
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Where do you see that ?
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I think the worse part about PoE support on these devices is that it is old tech passive only which means it is pretty much useless on any modern day PoE switch unless it has some sort of legacy mode. Even on latest AX3 it is still using passive which I think is such a shame.
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not to mention on the 2.5Gb port as well.Why they made ether1 POE IN AND OUT, I don't understand ...hAP ax3 has POE out on ethr1. You can do WAN from another ether.
i can’t see any other logic for it other than cost saving.
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https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/2212_hi_res.png between ether5 and usb.Where do you see that ?
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Mikrotik hAP AX3 only has ONE POE OUT on ETHER 1.
The confusion in this thread comes from the product page of the AC3 (note C3, not X3) where it says on the product page https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3 that POE out is on Ether5. What is even more confusing is, on the hardware itself, there is a POE OUT indicator located in between port 5 and the USB port https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/2212_hi_res.png. The little circle on the POE OUT indicator will light up when a POE device is attached to ETHER 1.
This has now been rectified in the AX3 (note X3, not C3) product page https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ax3 where it states the POE OUT port is Ether 1.
So you are out of luck if you want to do what I intend to do...
Upstream POE Router > AX3 Ether 1 for Power & Data > Ether 5 for Power & Data > Indoor Intercom Display
The only fix is to power the AX3 using a DC adaptor brick..
Upstream Router > Ether 2 for data > Ether 1 for Power & Data > Indoor Intercom Display
A real shame. Mikrotik please separate the POE IN/ OUT or add another POE OUT!
The confusion in this thread comes from the product page of the AC3 (note C3, not X3) where it says on the product page https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3 that POE out is on Ether5. What is even more confusing is, on the hardware itself, there is a POE OUT indicator located in between port 5 and the USB port https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/2212_hi_res.png. The little circle on the POE OUT indicator will light up when a POE device is attached to ETHER 1.
This has now been rectified in the AX3 (note X3, not C3) product page https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ax3 where it states the POE OUT port is Ether 1.
So you are out of luck if you want to do what I intend to do...
Upstream POE Router > AX3 Ether 1 for Power & Data > Ether 5 for Power & Data > Indoor Intercom Display
The only fix is to power the AX3 using a DC adaptor brick..
Upstream Router > Ether 2 for data > Ether 1 for Power & Data > Indoor Intercom Display
A real shame. Mikrotik please separate the POE IN/ OUT or add another POE OUT!
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Simple solution.
Add RBGPOE
https://mikrotik.com/product/RBGPOE
It's not going to change.
Adapt and use alternative solutions to solve the problem.
Add RBGPOE
https://mikrotik.com/product/RBGPOE
It's not going to change.
Adapt and use alternative solutions to solve the problem.
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Simple solution.
Add RBGPOE
https://mikrotik.com/product/RBGPOE
It's not going to change.
Adapt and use alternative solutions to solve the problem.
Thanks for the alternative suggestion butt this does not solve my problem. I want to eliminate the need for a power adapter.
Situation:
1) I am running the CRS328-24P which is connected to the only RJ45 wall socket in a room.
2) The RJ45 wall socket is a distance away from the nearest wall power socket.
3) The room needs a wireless AP.
4) The room is also where I will put a video intercom screen that can only be powered up by POE.
Since, the AX3 POE IN/OUT are both on the precious 2.5GB ETHER1...
5) The only solution is to use a Power Adaptor to power up the router (which means pulling a long lead from the wall power socket)
6) Connect the CRS328-24P to ETHER2 via the RJ45 wall jack
7) Connect the video intercom screen to AX3 ETHER1
I therefore lose:
8 ) The ability to power up the AX3, and get rid of the trailing power cable
9) The 2.5G port which is used for the video intercom screen which has low bandwidth requirement
Last edited by shazrul on Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:20 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
And still it is not going to change...
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Exactly which version of CRS328 you have ?
Because CRS328-24P as in CRS328-24P-4S+RM has PoE out on all 24 ports.
So where is the problem then ?
Only doubt I have is that AX3 accepts passive PoE, not sure that will work with 802.3af/at provided by CRS328.
But your video screen can be powered from CRS.
Personal comment: you have a 24 port ethernet + 4 SFP cages switch in a room with only 1 available wall socket ?
Then I would make sure to add wall sockets somehow ...
Because CRS328-24P as in CRS328-24P-4S+RM has PoE out on all 24 ports.
So where is the problem then ?
Only doubt I have is that AX3 accepts passive PoE, not sure that will work with 802.3af/at provided by CRS328.
But your video screen can be powered from CRS.
Personal comment: you have a 24 port ethernet + 4 SFP cages switch in a room with only 1 available wall socket ?
Then I would make sure to add wall sockets somehow ...
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
But your video screen can be powered from CRS.
@shazrul wants to daisy-chain the door intercomm display off ax3 and he wants to power that display off ax3 which in turn has to be powered over PoE as well.
The way I see things, the design is flawed ... IMO (but that might be my own personal understanding) 802.3 af/at is not meant to be daisy-chained because each 802.3 PoE out port is supposed to support at least 15W (802.3 af standard) ... and if one adds own consumption of PoE "relay" it's clear that master PoE device should support at least 802.3 at (up to 30W). AFAIK none of MT's 802.3 PoE switches actually support 802.3 at (up to 30W which is at least 0.6A at 50V which is the lowest output voltage required at PSE and that requires optional power adapter for MT gear, none is supplied with 50+V power adapter as standard).
And then the final detail: hAP ax3 accepts power with voltage range 12-28V (18-28V when using PoE-in; source of information). Which means it can't be powered from 802.3 af/at power source.
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
I was already wondering, hence my doubt since I couldn't find back the output voltages on CRS328 to verify.
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Thanks this is clear explanation.But your video screen can be powered from CRS.
@shazrul wants to daisy-chain the door intercomm display off ax3 and he wants to power that display off ax3 which in turn has to be powered over PoE as well.
The way I see things, the design is flawed ... IMO (but that might be my own personal understanding) 802.3 af/at is not meant to be daisy-chained because each 802.3 PoE out port is supposed to support at least 15W (802.3 af standard) ... and if one adds own consumption of PoE "relay" it's clear that master PoE device should support at least 802.3 at (up to 30W). AFAIK none of MT's 802.3 PoE switches actually support 802.3 at (up to 30W which is at least 0.6A at 50V which is the lowest output voltage required at PSE and that requires optional power adapter for MT gear, none is supplied with 50+V power adapter as standard).
And then the final detail: hAP ax3 accepts power with voltage range 12-28V (18-28V when using PoE-in; source of information). Which means it can't be powered from 802.3 af/at power source.
I have a PowerBox Pro (which is a routerboard with POE) that I am powering from the CRS328-24P, which I have tested to power two of these indoor intercom display which at idle each is using 1.5W, powered at 24.2V and drawing 54mA. They've run stable for over a week. Granted the AX3 is a WiFi AP, which will draw more power for radio etc it would have been nice to have the option of powering these low wattage devices.
The only solution for me now is to power up the AX3 with a power adaptor, connect the uplink into ether 2 and POE OUT to the display from ether 1, thus losing the use of the 2.5GB. Yes, I can use another POE injector to release the 2.5GB but it means yet another power adaptor cable to power up the display which incidentally only takes POE.
i guess it is what it is.
Last edited by shazrul on Fri Oct 20, 2023 1:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
Exactly which version of CRS328 you have ?
Because CRS328-24P as in CRS328-24P-4S+RM has PoE out on all 24 ports.
So where is the problem then ?
Only doubt I have is that AX3 accepts passive PoE, not sure that will work with 802.3af/at provided by CRS328.
But your video screen can be powered from CRS.
Personal comment: you have a 24 port ethernet + 4 SFP cages switch in a room with only 1 available wall socket ?
Then I would make sure to add wall sockets somehow ...
I have the CR328-24P as I mentioned in one of my postings above. This unit sits in a rack in a utility room and feeds into RJ45 wall sockets throughout the house.
The display I plan to power up is sitting on a tiny shelf on the wall in the kitchen with an RJ45 socket nearby. That is the only RJ45 wall socket available in the kitchen so what I wanted to do is to daisy chain the wifi ap (Mikrotik AX3) and the display so that I don't have to pull the mess of power adaptor cables.
The CRS328-24P is a little gem of a POE switch as you can port by port configure the voltage to step down from 48V to 24V. These are great products from Mikrotik to manage POE devices.
And to your personal comment it is not relevant as I've explained above. Also where I am the wall constructions are ALL brick and plaster. No concept of dry walls. So adding a concealed wall socket of any kind is a huge mess.
Re: hAp ax3 POE out?
If you really want to have wifi AP and that door camera display daisy-chained, then obviously hAP ax3 is not the right product. There are a few APs by Mikrotik (yes, they are likely worse with regard to wireless performance) that would allow your intended topology. E.g. hAP ac lite TC (or non-TC variant if you fancy white bricks).
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Oh wow MKX you are right. I didn’t even bother checking the older model!
It’s not ax and doesn’t have Gigabit ports but this will do the job.
Thank you!
It’s not ax and doesn’t have Gigabit ports but this will do the job.
Thank you!