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More info about mUPS

Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:22 pm

The mUPS device it's very interesting.
I couldn't attend at MUM in Milano due to some work commitments.
Can we have more info about it?

Will the mUPS monitor the battery voltage and send alert message over ethernet (like low voltage, running on batt, no dc power..) ? Or will have a continuous monitor interface ?
Can mUPS share a battery with other mUPS device ?
Will be the output voltage adjustable ( 24/48/56 V) ? Step of regulator (1..2.. 5 V) ? Max output current ?
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:48 am

It can't send anything, there is no software on it. It is a passive device. It will monitor the battery and show a LED light when it is full. It will also monitor the battery temperature, and adjust the charging rate based on that. A temperature sensor is planned to be included.
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Re: More info about mUPS

Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:25 pm

ok.
Then maybe info like

max charging current
max output current
12/24V ?
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:50 pm

If it is completly passive and give no remote signal, from my point of view, isn't very useful.
If the radio are running on battery i want to know it..
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:30 am

Charger and step-up converter I find anywhere,
I thought he was going to have at least one remote monitoring software
Because we need to have remote management of the towers and what happens in them,
I do not see an advantage in buying it if it is not manageable
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:31 pm

If it is completly passive and give no remote signal, from my point of view, isn't very useful.
If the radio are running on battery i want to know it..
You can easily script that in the powered mikrotik if it runs on 24v, if you script code to check the voltage, running on mUPS you get about 12 and not 24 as otherwise.
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:53 pm

can mUPS shared the same battery?
I have big battery can i use this one with multiple mUPS? do they combine the charging capability as well?
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:27 pm

That is probably not to be recommended. Use the mUPS with a 7Ah or 18Ah battery.
When you have a much bigger battery get a dedicated charger and DC-DC converter to make 24v
and power your equipment from that.
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:18 pm

Hi,

mUPS sounds interesting. Is it possible to power possibly a PowerBox at which probably 4 wireless systems are connected wit PoE?
So is it possible to power 5 routerboards at the same time with one mUPS? Or is the current output limited anyway? 2A current (at 24V) should be ok for this constellation.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:43 pm

Sorry... it does "only" 700mA so not useful for that purpose.
See https://mikrotik.com/product/mups (brochure)
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:47 pm

@pe1chl:
Sorry, I don't find this information anywhere. A brochure isn't linked on the mikrotik site. And the product description also doesn't tell anything about this.
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:04 pm

I gave the link to the product page (got it from the newsletter - sure some products from the newsletter still have to be placed on the hardware page!)
and on that page there is a link to the PDF brochure which has the specs.
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:08 pm

Ok Sorry, the brochure link has moved from the left side to a button on the right side of tha page.
As we say in DL .... I had tomatoes on my eyes :-)
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:26 pm

Can always happen... I think dl1nux is your amateur radio callsign :-)
I am mainly active on networking (HAMNET) and multisite repeaters (like PI2NOS)
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Re: More info about mUPS

Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:28 am

The direct link to the PDF brochure: https://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/mUPS-170830105108.pdf
It has all the info you need.
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Re: More info about mUPS

Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:35 pm

Normis,

That link is also on the product page. But please note that not all products in the newletter that have links to a product
page can be found when starting on the www.mikrotik.com site and navigating through "Hardware" etc.
This probably still has to be finalized.
(e.g. the S-RJ10)
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:35 pm

Yes, but the question here was about mUPS and the above poster was not able to find the PDF link
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Re: More info about mUPS

Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:39 pm

Yes, but the question here was about mUPS and the above poster was not able to find the PDF link
He had already found it, see posting #13.
However, I noticed the above when I tried to locate certain products while reading a printed copy of the newsletter, so no
way to click on the links. I searched for the products on the main site but they are not all there.
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:44 pm

Yes, some of these products are not yet in the webpage, only in the newsletter. We will add them once we start to ship them.
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Re: More info about mUPS

Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:00 pm

Hello,
inside mUPS there are two jumper 1,2A and 2,5A. What is their function ?
Now the max recharge current is only 700mA ?

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Re: More info about mUPS

Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:07 am

Hi,

mUPS sounds interesting. Is it possible to power possibly a PowerBox at which probably 4 wireless systems are connected wit PoE?
So is it possible to power 5 routerboards at the same time with one mUPS? Or is the current output limited anyway? 2A current (at 24V) should be ok for this constellation.

Thanks in advance.
Battery 12V 9Ah work time on battery 90min.
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Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:57 am

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Re: More info about mUPS

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:59 pm

Hey Everyone,

So with this as it is passive in terms of it has no OS,
It's described in the brochure ect:
"In RouterOS it is possible to detect when running on battery power by monitoring the input voltage with scripting, since the voltage will change without a RouterOS reboot."

So, as obvious as it sounds, I gather this function purely is looking at what the MT would normally be powered by (say on DC side at 24v) then if the OS (say SXT) see's input voltage drop to say 12v (battery) then that's how it would detect its on UPS? (with appropriate voltage scripts and email script)

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Re: More info about mUPS

Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:06 pm

Yes, Kevin. Exactly.
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:11 am

For a feature request for v 1.1

Incorporate this into a wAP LTE and add a couple form C relays that are controlled by routeros (Pretend they are POE ports ;) )
Get alerts over LTE when site is having power issues etc.

Primary power script on up, on down

Voltage threshold min max
Voltage script above threshold
Voltage script below threshold


Imagine the possibilities.
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:26 pm

Hi,

mUPS sounds interesting. Is it possible to power possibly a PowerBox at which probably 4 wireless systems are connected wit PoE?
So is it possible to power 5 routerboards at the same time with one mUPS? Or is the current output limited anyway? 2A current (at 24V) should be ok for this constellation.

Thanks in advance.
Battery 12V 9Ah work time on battery 90min.

Hello. It should work much more time on 9Ah battery.

Your consumption (3.9+2.3+3.1+2.7)=12W for RB + 4 for Hex POE = 16W Total power.
16W / 12V = 1.33A on 12V.
9Ah / 1.33A = 6.7h. Should work at least 6 hrs.

Either battery was not fully charged, or my math is incorrect or Low voltage cut off is set too high on mUPS.
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:53 pm

Hello. It should work much more time on 9Ah battery.

Your consumption (3.9+2.3+3.1+2.7)=12W for RB + 4 for Hex POE = 16W Total power.
16W / 12V = 1.33A on 12V.
9Ah / 1.33A = 6.7h. Should work at least 6 hrs.

Either battery was not fully charged, or my math is incorrect or Low voltage cut off is set too high on mUPS.
You could only Use 50% of 9ah If you discharge much more your battery
will Not Long be your friend, mups discharge battery Not 100% to save Battery life
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:47 pm

ok, 50% is 3hrs.

1.5hr is 25% of 9ah battery capacity
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:24 am

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Hi Normis why is not possible connect to mUPS through winbox to ros and manage mUPS ? use monitoring , watchdog and other.How can I monitoring problem with power now ? thanks for answer. In brochure you wrote In RouterOS it is possible to detect when running on battery
power by monitoring the input voltage with scripting, since the
voltage will change without a RouterOS reboot. So how can I connect to RouterOs ?
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:41 pm

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Hi Normis why is not possible connect to mUPS through winbox to ros and manage mUPS ?
Hi, the mUPS itself doesn't contains routerOS as you can see on the brochure.

so far i know, MikroTik radios flagship are equipped with 24v power adaptor, you can monitor the volt at system health voltage. if the power of device running is supplied by power adaptor, you can see the voltage value 23v - 24v, but if supplied by battery, it should be 12v.
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Re: More info about mUPS

Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:33 pm

Hi!
Is there any way to turn off the battery charging :?:
In solar systems, the battery capacity is hundreds of amperes per hour and there is no sense in charging them via mUPS. :(
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:42 pm

@Naglya Put a diode on the wire, so that there is only current flowing from the batteries:

mUPS --------|<------- battery
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:35 am

Hi!
Is there any way to turn off the battery charging :?:
In solar systems, the battery capacity is hundreds of amperes per hour and there is no sense in charging them via mUPS. :(
If you don't need the battery charging feature, you don't need mUPS. Without charging, it's just a dumb PoE injector with dual power inputs - you'd do just as well to hook up both your battery bank and mains supply to your existing PoE injector, with a diode on each supply to prevent reverse-flow. This'll feed the injector with the higher of your two voltage inputs.

Blocking the battery charging feature of mUPS with a diode might cause undesirable results depending on the device circuitry/layout - even if it works fine, which i'd want to hear from MT themselves, you've pretty much spent $29 for a pair of diodes and a waterproof PoE injector.
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:09 am

@Naglya Put a diode on the wire, so that there is only current flowing from the batteries:

mUPS --------|<------- battery
Thanks for the response, but I need an industrial solution. It is not possible to mount a diode circuit at each connection point.
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:49 pm

Hello,

the mUPS looks interesting. But how can I use it wirh 802.3af devices? Is anyone aware of an adapter?
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:02 am

Hello
I get mUPS for to install for my home for LHG 5nD with 951Ui-2HnD, it is working fine but I can't get voltage value by "/system health get voltage", also tested on OmniTIK U-5HnD r2 and no voltage value
is there any another method to know if my router run on battery or all those products can't support voltage monitor

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Re: More info about mUPS

Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:25 am

Hello
I get mUPS for to install for my home for LHG 5nD with 951Ui-2HnD, it is working fine but I can't get voltage value by "/system health get voltage", also tested on OmniTIK U-5HnD r2 and no voltage value
is there any another method to know if my router run on battery or all those products can't support voltage monitor

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yes, none of your RB has voltage monitor.
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Re: More info about mUPS

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:08 pm

Hello
I get mUPS for to install for my home for LHG 5nD with 951Ui-2HnD, it is working fine but I can't get voltage value by "/system health get voltage", also tested on OmniTIK U-5HnD r2 and no voltage value
is there any another method to know if my router run on battery or all those products can't support voltage monitor

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yes, none of your RB has voltage monitor.
Thanks for your reply
This means i can't monitor power status remotely by most used devices, i was planing to implement mUPS in WISP to monitor remote AP in rural area but in this case it is useless for me because most are OmniTIK U-5HnD r2
is there any other way to know if main power failure
and how to know if device support voltage before i buy it
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Re: More info about mUPS

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:38 pm

Hello, I have been reading your comments and I have mine, the mUPS is controlling and charging the battery while controlling the type of power to the radio? first of all, Thanks
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:23 am

Need that device but a little bit more beefy, so we can add 100ah batt and it should be able tu supply power to a powerbox full load!
Maybe Gen2!!?? :)
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:21 am

Need that device but a little bit more beefy, so we can add 100ah batt and it should be able tu supply power to a powerbox full load!
Maybe Gen2!!?? :)
No for full load the Mups is too small, some thing I really not understand!
 
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Re: More info about mUPS

Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:08 pm

I think you should picture the use of the mUPS in a situation where there is a 7Ah or maybe 14Ah battery.
For such a large installation where you also do not need insertion via PoE you can just obtain a charger/inverter from the usual market (e.g. used in boats and trucks).

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