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Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:34 pm

We would like to know our customer wishes and use cases on what kind of future LTE technology would be interested in?
1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:30 pm

I'm highly biased here as I work for LTE network operator. Anyhow:

1.If you're planning on launching a new product, go for higher category. Category is not only about maximum user speed, but also about other (somehow less exposed) details, such as max modulation and MIMO rank ... those details raise the max user speed but also improve LTE network throughput (read: be nice to other users )even if your subscription throughput is lower than technical maximum. Please also note that categories are different for downlink and uplink.
2. In short: all of them :wink: LTE networks are evolving and what's rare today might become common thing tomorrow. Example: few nerworks operate LTE on band 1 (FDD 2100MHz). In few years time, when most data users will start using LTE, band 1 will get re-farmed from 3G to LTE. Regarding carrier aggregation combinations: please try to support all standardized combinations and try to support them symmetrically ... in a sense that if you support comination of PCC bandX + SCC bandY, then support also PCC bandY + SCC bandX (PCC: primary component carrier, SCC: secondary component carrier). Non-symetrical CA support can be a PITA when optimizing load on different carriers of LTE network.
Also try to support UL CA as well. Helps with user's throughput as well as with load optimizations on LTE network.
3. It can be handy, but that will become less and less important. LTE network coverage is going to get (almost) perfect mostly everywhere in near future while legacy technologies can not provide level of experienceusers demand. Surely there are certain use cases where e.g. GPRS speed of few 10kbps is much better tha nothing, but for majority of users practical difference between those does not exist.
In short: or the same money better get newer LTE category without legacy mobile network support.
4. Personnaly: Europe ... but I guess my opinion here is by no means statistically relevant.
5. My employer's network ... but see my opinion at point 4. :wink:
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:24 pm

Since IoT is a big topic at the moment, maybe a look on LTE CAT M1/NB1 is interesting (U-Blox has some nice modules like the Sara R410M with promises for global band coverage...).
And regarding 2G/3G, please be aware that while the US drops 3G, the general deployment of LTE in the EU has been postponed until 2020, so 2G/3G is still here for a while.
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:27 pm

I use them in Caravans so I neet full coverage of all different Configurations, internal and external antenna, local wifi antenna around the caravan,
mobile usage while driving (so no antenna with high DB-gains....)
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:26 pm

Howdy Uldis,

I have about 40-50 LTE MT routers in the field now, combination of AT&T and a few Verizon here in Texas, USA. Have to use them for backup Internet, as well as sometimes LTE is available where no other infrastructure is. Love them for the most part, and will likely have 10-20 more in no time. I'm not sure what bands each carrier uses (I delegated that task), but the new WAP-LTE US models work great with AT&T and the MT LTE modem. Considering my problem, I'll take any bandwidth over 3MBit/sec on LTE and smile.

From time to time, 3G would be helpful. I have one site now who gets Verizon 3G and nothing else.

We're a government entity, so we have -real- unlimited through both carriers.

That any help?
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:58 am

99% of Australia would be happy if your modems are like the Sierra Wireless MC7430 for the Telstra network (which the MC7430 is certified).
Bands: B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B18, B19, B21, B28, B38-B41

It would probably be easier to just support SW modems since they are available world-wide, support a wide variety of bands and networks.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:47 am

1. Higher is better.
2. Band 3, Band 7, Band 20, Band 38, Band 31. (Russia)
3. (IMPORTANT) - Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G? -
Of course! There are two reasons:
a) Cell broadband links primary used for suburban areas and other territories with relatively low population density. For this reason, carriers are not willing to upgrade their infrastructure to modern LTE as it doesn't pay. They prefer to upgrade to LTE, first of all, in areas with high population density, like big cities.
b) Since 3G and, to a lesser extent, 2G, still commonly used nowadays, and will be in use in the nearest future for, at least 10-15 years, this technology should be supported in, at least, two future generations of these devices. I don't buy SXT LTE and made MT+USB+external antennas monsters on remote sites only because SXT LTE doesn't support 3G.

I'm also for the support of not only MT modems, but of the widely used Sierra and, outside US, Huawei modems, too. It will enable users to adapt this equipment more flexibly to the national LTE standards.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:24 pm

1. As much as possible - for upward and backward compatibility :)
2. Same as above - as much as possible
3. Definitely YES
4. European Union
5. Telekom, Orange, O2, SWAN
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:10 pm

1. All of them, or selectable at purchase.
2. The user should have the ability to select which bands to aggregate. Make a bullet selection, so I can choose. For example: LTE 800 and LTE 2600 Mhz for provider Tele2, and LTE 1800 and 2100 for provider Vodafone.
3. Yes. At least 3G. Most of the LTE sites are co-siting to 3G. So if LTE fails, or get's congested, 3G might kick in. And yes, 3G should be on ANY band. So mot only the 2100 MHz band, but als UTMS 900 MHz and UMTS 1800.
4. Selectable at purchase (or separate models for different markets).
5. There should be an option to count the bytes in and out. And a user selectable trigger to switch for example to 3G. Or change a route to a slower DSL connection if the data plan of LTE is "full". Also some providers offer "free data" at night for example: between 0:00 and 6:00h. That should be settable in the software (by script, or by GUI)
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:48 am

Please ensure that Passthrough mode is supported in your future LTE products! Why does this work only with those crappy usb sticks and not with your own LTE hardware?
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:52 am

Please ensure that Passthrough mode is supported in your future LTE products! Why does this work only with those crappy usb sticks and not with your own LTE hardware?
We will try to make sure that all our future LTE product will work work with the Passthrough option.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:13 am

While some corporate users who have detailed contracts and communication with their provider could have some information like you request, most users are at the mercy of their providers and the local frequency management authority.
"what bands should it support?" well, no idea! it should work.
A typical smartphone user is not concerned with "what bands it supports" either, they just get a phone locally and use the internet. Apparently locally sold phones support the right bands. Apparently the manufacturers and distributors know what is required.

I don't know of their exists some world-wide data about providers, the bands they use, the bands they will use in the near future, etc.
If it exists, maybe in the form of some subscription service used by the other manufacturers, MikroTik should subscribe to it and determine what support it should bring to clients in the areas where their products are sold. If not, MikroTik or the local distributors should probably try to get in contact with the providers directly to gather this information.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:27 pm

There is a list of all LTE networks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks

But there a so many bands etc... it is better to produce the LTE modems for the region you are going to use.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:41 pm

There is a list of all LTE networks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks

But there a so many bands etc... it is better to produce the LTE modems for the region you are going to use.
Yes we know that. Usually you can't add so many bands supported into one LTE card. As usually the limit is from 5-8 Bands at the same. So there could me multiple cards (one for each global region).
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:37 pm

first of all ,carrier aggrigation
second ,support for TDD LTE(band 42 43 ....) and FDD LTE on same device in same time
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:53 pm

+1 for LTE band 42
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:13 pm

1. CAT6 or higher would be preferred. SXT LTE is only CAT3 and I can't anywhere close to my CAT6 modem in my phone (mostly because CAT3 can't use aggrigation, if I fully understand the differences, creating a more stable bandwidth)
https://www.westbase.io/the-importance- ... ced-cat-6/
2. For me, any major EU LTE bands in central/ western part (Band3 is all I really need for my work.)
3. 3G back backup would be nice
4. Central Europe
5. I use T-mobile. Where I am, they have a true Unlimited data connection ( for now) and speeds would be nice to have as a minimum of 8Mbps.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:23 pm

We would like to know our customer wishes and use cases on what kind of future LTE technology would be interested in?
1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
1. lte advanced cat 6
2. Carier aggregations between T-Mobile and KPN would be most beneficial.
800 MHz KPN / Vodafone / Tele2
900 MHz KPN / Vodafone / T-Mobile
1800 MHz KPN / Vodafone / T-Mobile
2100 MHz KPN / Vodafone / T-Mobile
2600 MHz KPN / Vodafone / T-Mobile / Tele2 / ZUM
3. No need for legacy, these bands are being used for 4G more and more.
4. We have tested a Huawei 4G+ router with 300 Mbps download and 300 Mbps upload in The Netherlands. It's awesome.
5. We have a business T-mobile subscription that runs us about €50,- a month and there is no speed / data cap per customer.
We manage 50+ corporate wifi networks in the Netherlands using Mikrotik & Cloudcore equipment.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:58 pm

we have not liked the SIM holders thus far ...some users break the contacts when removing and inserting sim
Is it possible to have holders with spring like eject effect would really be nice
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:31 pm

I'm from South Africa.
We have Vodacom, MTN, Telkom and CellC in the country.
I love your SXT LTE, the devices are fantastic. Small issues with finding the network here and there, seems somewhat delayed from time to time, but in general excellent.
PLEASE make a dual sim SXT-LTE. Its easy to see at the top of the unit you guys have already planned the possibility for a second sim slot. It would really make the SXT-LTE bullet proof for a VOIP type link.
I also have about 40-50 of these units running.
They are well priced.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:02 am

I would like a device, about the size of the hAP AC, that includes a built-in rechargeable battery. It will provide all the features of the hAP AC, with the added bonus of being able to route traffic over the LTE interface via my AT&T sim card (USA).
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:45 pm

For my needs RBM11G and RBM311G or wAP R are more then I need with Huawei ME909s-120.
Any LTE card/product which have same performans like this card, BUT WITH FULL SNMP support (Tehnology, signal status, station ID....) and maybe with GPS support, are 10/10 for me.
3G support is need, because MT board are sometimes on ships, so they move, and LTE are not present all the time.

And if that LTE product will be cheaper from Huawei LTE.... WAUUUU :)
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:27 pm

Regarding your current products, I'd appreciate better-supported bands. Band 2 is part of PCS, but is a subset of band 25. Band 4 is part of AWS, but not all. Band 4 is a subset of band 66 and 70 adds some more not covered in other AWS-related bands. Band 5 is called CLR, but is a subset of band 26. Band 12 is often called the 700 MHz band and includes band 17. Why couldn't they have used a chip that supported 25 and 26? Is band 17 covered if it has band 12?

I would like to see bands 41and 48 supported, but am aware that's not a universal requirement.

Is anyone other than AT&T doing anything in band 46?
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:07 am

1. Starting Cat 6 is good!
2. Most? Too many providers here to choose a specific combinations
3. Yes! 3G is still needed for backup
4. Austria/Europe
5. Drei, A1 and T-Mobile Austria

Currently we use LTE modems with bridge from our LTE providers, i actually know that T-Mobile and Drei missed out on ordering CAT6 Routers in time.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:01 pm

+1 for dual sim card


ensure support for LTE-A if not already
 
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Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:51 pm

+1 for dual sim card


ensure support for LTE-A if not already
Why we need sim cards. World is moving towards sim card free. Sim card is so yesterday
 
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Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:11 pm

Why we need sim cards. World is moving towards sim card free. Sim card is so yesterday
Really? I remember the days when SIM card was tomorrow!
(in the systems before GSM there was no SIM card and there had to be a transfer of secret key information
from the equipment manufacturers to the operators, which was very complicated. SIM cards were introduced
so this could be handled from within the operators and the equiment manufacturers were no longer involved
in the subscriber - operator relation)
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:46 pm

What @Tw0kings writes about is Embedded SIM (or eSIM). That's SIM card functionality, but implemented inside SOC (or whatever powers mobile radio terminal). Which is something that phone producers try to push (less space needed inside phones, one less hole to make dust&water tight, ...) but is a nuisance for network operators because it imposes much more work when provisioning new user into subscribers database (some extra steps need to be taken). It also opens potential security hole as eSIM provisioning is done over-the-air and what can legitimately be done (e.g. when changing operator), can also be hacked/abused.
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:56 pm

1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
The higher the better. Not necessarily for throughput but due to support latest 3GPP release.

2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
Not sure.

3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
Decommission date for AT&T 3G is 2/2/2022. 2G is already decommissioned.

4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
USA

5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
Yes, most accounts are not "unlimited" even though that plan exists. I would want the ability to throttle (maybe 12Mpbs or so) so that my services could keep running but not blow through an entire data plan during an outage.

Currently I'm using an old USB (Cat 1 probably) device. It's signal is pretty weak and the speeds are too barely adequate. I would like to see support for more USA embedded modules, such as Sierra Wireless. Also, would be nice to see more routerboards come with an empty PCI slot (thinking RB3011 with plenty of interior enclosure space) so that I can add LTE card.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:57 am

We operate a band 42/43 (soon be combined into a single band 48, under new CBRS rules) network in the USA, and would love to see cost-competitive CPE options from MikroTik for this band. Not just for the cost reasons, but also for the flexibility that RouterOS would bring (and also because we are familiar with RouterOS already). Current CPE options in this band in the States are very limited (just a couple of vendors with FCC-certified gear that we can buy).

The network is being operated as a fixed-install (non-mobile) network, and we do not care about 2G/3G backwards compatibility in the CPE.

This band is starting to become a popular option in the U.S. and I think you would find a marketplace here that would be very interested in what you could bring to the table.

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Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:08 pm

I'm from South Africa.
We have Vodacom, MTN, Telkom and CellC in the country.
I love your SXT LTE, the devices are fantastic. Small issues with finding the network here and there, seems somewhat delayed from time to time, but in general excellent.
PLEASE make a dual sim SXT-LTE. Its easy to see at the top of the unit you guys have already planned the possibility for a second sim slot. It would really make the SXT-LTE bullet proof for a VOIP type link.
I also have about 40-50 of these units running.
They are well priced.
Another South African sysadmin here. Don't forget about the new RAIN LTE network.
I agree with the request about adding a second SIM card, it would help a lot with failover between different providers.

And I also think a stronger antennas would be awesome, with the ability to add external antennas if needed.

Please add for the following Frequencies / bands to be supported:
1800Mhz
2600Mhz
TD-LTE
 
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TD-LTE
Don't forget that TDD LTE comes in bunch of frequency bands as well ... you can check the list on the intetnet, one is available on Wikipedia. It's not the most comprehensive either.
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:30 pm

Fo me:

We would like to know our customer wishes and use cases on what kind of future LTE technology would be interested in?
1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
As high as possible, more and more of our operators are rolling our high CAT networks

2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
800, 1800, 2100, 2500, 2600, 3600

3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
3G - Yes
2G - Don't care, it's toll slow to be useful anyway

4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
UK / Europe

5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
We use Vodafone, O2 and EE in the UK - as resellers we can set our own data caps
 
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Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:45 am

1. Higher is better.
2. Same as above - as much as possible
3. Definitely YES
4. European Union
5. Telekom, Orange, O2, SWAN
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:22 pm

First of all, please make the transceiver module exchangeable thus do not limit the solution to some specific bands. In that way we can future-proof our customer installations for emerging transmission technologies only by replacing the transceiver module. Think a SXT LTE with a M2 or PCI-SIG compatible connector with at least 2x2 MIMO antenna capabilities.

If possible please support builtin dual band (or alternatively separat models) with MIMO antenna capabilities for:
  1. Low frequency bands 700-900 Mhz which is widely used in rural regions.
  2. Hi frequency bands 1800-2600 Mhz for urban areas.

Our primary business cases are based on:
  1. LTE as backup for wired data connections.
  2. P2P for local businesses that do not have access to wired connections.
  3. Security systems and video surveillance. (M2M)


Question 1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
Answer: CAT 0 (M2M) and CAT6 (4×4 MIMO) and on forward.

Question 2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
Answer: Channel aggregation within the primary band is a part of the LTE advanced CA standard but I'm not sure it support out of band aggregation. But if that's the case any solution will much depend on the antenna capabilities.

Question 3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
Answer: Not necessary. Maybe UMTS/WCDMA but not plain old 2G (GSM) thats to slow for data transmission.

Question 4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
Answer: Any! Mostly EU and north America.

Question 5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
Answer: Most cases unlimited for regular data transmission. Telemetry subscriptions (M2M) we use are normally capped to 20-25 Mbit/s but offers roaming between multiple operators.
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:29 pm

1. lte advanced cat 12
2. Carrier aggregation between 2100MHz KPN / Vodafone
5. We have a Vodafone subscription that runs about € 50, - a month and there is normal speed
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Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:25 pm

We would like to know our customer wishes and use cases on what kind of future LTE technology would be interested in?
1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
2. Bands 3,7,20, & 40
3. Definitely
4. Nigeria in Africa
5. All the 4G carrier providers in Nigeria.
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Tue May 01, 2018 11:48 pm

I would like to see an hEX/wAP hybrid, an hEX with LTE module, or wAP with 4 ports, would be really appreciated.
I'd also like to see a mobile LTE RB for Wi-Fi, I don't know the exact name or those things.
Another thing:
I wrote to support because wAP wasn't able to connect with custom APNs and you resolved this with a new LTE firmware, a thing that is missing is the possibility to upgrade the firmware via web, like RouterOS, and not like now with ATDT commands.
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Wed May 02, 2018 2:43 am

We have a LOT of B41 2.5-2.7Ghz spectrum, and would love to see Mikrotik make some Cat12 CPE's, are you also planing on making the eNb/RRU basestations to go on the the tower side? Also FCC is opening up the B41 for re-licensing very soon...
 
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Thu May 03, 2018 7:32 pm

Hi, Along with a lot of folks who have already responded, I'd like to see fast modem cards supported. Cat 6 is a minimum for me. I'm not very interested in tinkering with all the settings and having to troubleshoot problems setting it up with the Routerboard (or future equivalent), so I suggest some sort of configuration wizard for the folks like me and advanced options for the cognicienti. A few further thoughts:

Will these fast modem cards run hot? Maybe you would need to look at 1) passive heat management - improved heat sinking for example and 1) active heat management; we don't want these expensive cards to get fried, so (assuming that you have access to heat sensors on the chips) you could reduce the clock speed temporarily when they get too hot. However, I want my solution to run as fast as possible, so I'd be unhappy if it was down-clocking all the time.

Will the RouterBoard hardware and software fully support high speed modem cards? I note that some of the cards currently supported only run in PPP mode. There's not much point in folks investing in top-end modem cards if the rest of the solution isn't able to support it. That goes for the processor as well, of course. In fact, I'd be happy to buy a Mikrotik-supplied modem card if it was certified. Again, I don't want to spend my time troubleshooting.

In addition to the basic modem/router setup, I think it would be great if you brought out some integrated solutions with parabolic antennas, for those of us living in remote places a long way from the cell tower. Something along the lines of NetMetal with MTAD-5G-30D3-PA for example. Only adapted for 4G / LTE frequencies. Or alternatively like the LHG XL HP5. Again, adapted for 4G / LTE frequencies.

Finally, if you could make it possible to upgrade to 5G (when it comes), instead of throwing the whole 4G / LTE solution out and starting again, that might be a great proposition to the consumer as well as a sticky commercial proposition for yourselves. But maybe that's too much to ask. The main thing is to get some refreshed and reliable product out ASAP.

Thanks for asking.
 
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The flash size on the wAP is too small for our application. We have 900+ installations on 951G hardware. Future plans wilkl require us to support an LTE interface (US, Verizon, bands 2, 4, and 13). A wAP R 2nD -LTE would be a very satisfactory platform except for the limited flash size (16MB) since 11 MB of this 16MB flash are taken by the basic ROS installation. Is there a hardware version with greater memory in the future plans?
 
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Wed May 16, 2018 8:56 am

The flash size on the wAP is too small for our application. We have 900+ installations on 951G hardware. Future plans wilkl require us to support an LTE interface (US, Verizon, bands 2, 4, and 13). A wAP R 2nD -LTE would be a very satisfactory platform except for the limited flash size (16MB) since 11 MB of this 16MB flash are taken by the basic ROS installation. Is there a hardware version with greater memory in the future plans?
Could you tell us what would you want to put on the flash on the router?
 
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Wed May 16, 2018 9:40 am

I would be happy with product like this

https://mikrotik.com/product/mant_lte_5o

But with integrated modem and 1 lan port, nothing more..
And atleast CAT6 is a MUST so it doesnt work like some 10 year old phone/device with horrific perfomance like current WAP LTE works.
 
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The flash size on the wAP is too small for our application. We have 900+ installations on 951G hardware. Future plans wilkl require us to support an LTE interface (US, Verizon, bands 2, 4, and 13). A wAP R 2nD -LTE would be a very satisfactory platform except for the limited flash size (16MB) since 11 MB of this 16MB flash are taken by the basic ROS installation. Is there a hardware version with greater memory in the future plans?
Could you tell us what would you want to put on the flash on the router?
Our installations have a metarouter in which we run our application. On a 951G we use a total of 40.1 MiB of the 128.0 MiB available. The application in the metarouter manages a number of wireless devices (2 - 100) per location and forwards wireless device status information to a data center over a VPN.
 
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Wed May 16, 2018 4:33 pm

Regarding your specific questions:
1. Our current requirements are for low speed and low throughput - maybe 1 GB per month on average for all devices
2. We use Verizon LTE in US, so Bands 2, 4, and 13
3. Moving forward, we have no need for legacy 2G, some (minimal) requirement for 3G
4. Region: North America (US, Canada)
5. We use Verizon. Arrangement: monthly fee per device (SIM card) and monthly for total data transfer used by all devices, with no single device throughput cap.

Thanks for asking.
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:20 pm

I come from Hong Kong, support of 3G and even 2G is a must, because in some area 4G is much slower then 3G (example: CMHK in some Hospital), and few years ago CMHK just have 2G and 4G data service so fallback to 3G will not work at all.

I quite sure there must be some other network provider in the world works like CMHK.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:43 pm

Hey there!

As an avid MikroTik enthusiast and a telco RNO, I'd like to put my 2c here.

Good DL throughput is always welcome, so that's a no brainer. Here is what I think is severely lacking in the entire segment:
- Good DL throughput (mainly) comes from good RS SNR. Lower bands here are always welcome, e.g. 700MHz, 800MHz, etc.
- Good DL throughput can also come from higher order modulation schemes, i.e. 265QAM and hihger MIMO streams.
- LTE Carrier Aggregation in DL.
- Dual/Tripple-SIM with option for SIM "teaming". Often 1 or 2 operators can't reach a decent speed alone. When you have 2 (or more) SIM cards (even on different bands), acting as a single backhaul, redundancy and throughput are SIGNIFICANTLY improved. This one I personally believe to be the single most important feature that no consumer product in the segment has. Or maybe a single hAP-like device with multiple USB ports that can support multiple USB modems in tandem? This of course scerams for 2 or more separate RF front-ends.
- With the increase of remote camera monitoring in the country rural areas, a severe demand for strong UL performace arises. Here are a couple of elegant solutions for this:
- LTE UL 2CA, i.e. LTE carrier aggregation in the UL. While not very common among telcos, it helps tremendously when there is a demand for higher UL throughput.
- multi-SIM in tandem (check above). Even more valid when the demand is in the UL.
- Fast USB port(s) for NAS solutions. It's always nice to have a remote seedbox.
- Maybe some "cloud" solution for cases where no prior VPN tunnel has been set, but you still need a remote management access. As you know, telcos are filtering inbound traffic to their SIM cards, so there is no way of "brute-forcing" a connection to SIM-only device w/o any prior tunnels in place.
- Ability to read most of the radio-related telco parameters. Together with OpenSignal and similar services, one can easily plan and verify their solutions, when one can read eCGI, PCI, RS CINR, allocated BW, etc.
- External antenna connectors is a MUST! Maybe even the next-gen ones, being used in commercial telco antennae.
- UV, IP and other environmental resistance in place.
- Support for 5G?
- Highest possible receive sensitivity.
- Highest possible transmit power, with low-loss coupling design.
- VoLTE support? It's always nice when you can place some calls while in the wilderness. :-)

We have a 15GB/mo for 10,- EUR. We even have capped "all-you-can-eat" services for cheap, so building solutions around these dirt-cheap tariffs is only limited by current hardwire.

Of course stuff like PoE, security, reliability and robustness are in the must-have list. I can't imagine working with a brand where I have to travel huge distances just to power-cycle a hung device.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:59 am

Hi!

Now I use two devices WAP R LTE Kit.
1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
In Russia LTE Cat6 in common use, but we have networks with Cat11 (MTS) and some Cat16 (Megafon in Moscow). the cost of a minipci-e board is important, more then $100–150 is very expensive for me.
2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
I need all supported bands Band 3, Band 7, Band 20, Band 38 + band31 (lte 450mhz) – it uses by large russian operator Tele2+Rostelecom and many virtual operators (Skylink, Tinkoff Mobile) for large Russia territory coverage. If will be PCI–E mini modem with Band 3, Band 7, Band 20, Band 38 + band31 I will upgrade all my devices.

3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
3G is needed (large coverage), 2G not needed for me.
4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
Russia
5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
Tinkoff Mobile unlimited internet (Tele2/Rostelecom full mvno), 10–30 mbps, $16 per month (999 russian roubles).

P.S. dual/triple sim for auto redundancy will be cool.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:14 pm

1. Start from cat 12 above. Pls skip cat 6 as obsolete nowdays

2. FDD - B1/3/20 2x2MiMo, TDD B42/43 4x4MiMo, 2CA in DL&UL Intra-band (even better inter-band) contiguous & non-contiguous, QAM 256DL, QAM64 UL
You should to consider SoC https://altair-semi.com/products/alt4800/ for example.
In this case, you have to put more antennas inside unit than SXT is physically cappable. New design (something square shaped) should be fine.
Please don`t forget to use Gigabit ETH interface. At least one :)

3. Support for 2G and 3G is not necessary. Unit should act as WTTx device for broadband access. There is other technologies for M2M and critical services.
Broadband users considers as no service any service in kBits/s

4. EU

5. TDD band 42/43 became widely accessible in central europe for WTTx among mobile and fixed providers
 
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How about first fixing the issues with current hardware search.php?keywords=R11e-LTE
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:16 pm

1. CAT6+
2. Carrier Aggregation- Band 3, 20 and more
3. 3G or 2G - Both. For devices with GPS, this is a must.
4. Region - Kenya, Eastern Africa.
5. Which LTE carrier providers? Safaricom, MTN, Vodafone, KTRN.
6. Support dude remote monitoring just like RMS for Teltonika. Monitoring 100s of units is a tough job.
7. Support simultaneous WiFi AP and client in known hotspots. When vehicles are stationery at the depot, it makes no sense using expensive LTE yet the LTE kits could automatically switch from LTE to WLAN client mode. If a config for this exists, kindly share.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:30 pm

Hi all.

It would be great an outdoor enclosufre for RBM33G like basebox2 with the RB912 or something similar.

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Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:40 am

We would like to know our customer wishes and use cases on what kind of future LTE technology would be interested in?
1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
This may be late for this post but for most ISP or WISP on this forum without the luxury of a license fee for LTE band or network, the most reasonable LTE device is to get some sort of NLOS advantage with the LTE-U devices (eNBs or APs if you like) with ODU CPEs in B46 5ghz LTE unlicensed frequency.
Meanwhile, support for TDD LTE (band 42) is desperately needed from Mikrotik, not available yet as at today I think.
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Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:13 pm

Hi, i will bet interessed to try B42/43 CAT 12 - 16 with carrier aggregation. You have any compatible board? I just found the newest B42 CAT4 without CA.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:39 am

Can we please have manual band control/locking for the US modem? I have dozens of SXTs deployed, and they are jumping into Band 12 from Band 2, and Band 12 is over-provisioned and near useless in my area. I need the ability to force Band 2 or 4, and the modem doesn't even support any of the same AT commands that are listed in the wiki. Support tells me that the wiki is for the international modem only. When support doesn't ignore me.

Can you please add this feature? It would make me not have to move to another hardware solution. I just can't have a device do 90Mbps down one day, and 10Mbps down the next, and generally bounce around based on weather and leaves.

Also, GL.iNet is offering a Carrier Aggregation/CAT 6 modem in their latest LTE router at the price point of $134USD. If they can source the Quectel EP06As that cheap, so can Mikrotik.
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:54 pm

We would like to know our customer wishes and use cases on what kind of future LTE technology would be interested in?
1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
Well, I don't know if Mikrotik still read this thread, but let's see.

1. At least cat 6 (300Mbps), it's the minimum in 2018.
Cat 7 would also be nice, il would support 150mbps upload, only the Netgear M1 and Huawei E5788 support that upload speed currently. I'm using a LTE connection on a distance site for video-surveillance, I would really appreciate better upload performance.
Currently you are stuck with old Cat4 modems (150Mbps dl) on your products, your are out of the game, you are losing a big part of your potential customers.

2. 800, 900, 1800, 2100, 2600MHz
CA, well all variants.

3. Not necessary, but it should have the ability to receive and send SMS (I think it only works over 3G or 2G)

4. EUROPE/Portugal

5. NOS/Vodafone. No limit/30GB. 300/300Mbps


I would suggest to use a Qualcomm X16 modem (the X24 may be too expensive).
It support LTE 1Gbps in 4x4 MIMO mode, but in 2x2 mode it still support 600Mbps. It's available on M.2 module (It connects over USB 3 or PCIe)
https://www.sierrawireless.com/products ... ts/em7565/
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Now, I have other suggestions that would allow you to differentiate from your competitors
(some features are already implemented on some of your products):
  • Dual SIM
  • POE
  • External antennas (SMA connectors, not TS-9)
  • Maybe you should use a SFP connector on your current LTE Dish antenna/modem, but I don't know if there are modules available that are rated for low/high temperature environment. I prefer an optical isolation (fiber) to protect the rest of the network equipment from potential lightning surges/strikes.
    You still need a 12/24V PSU, but it won't be connected directly to the rest of the network equipment and is therefore easier to protect.
    I will NEVER connect the LAN cable of the LTE dish antenna on the roof, directly on an expensive router. And it wouldn't surprise me if your routers aren't equipped with surge and transient protections (GDT, MOVs and TVS diodes) needed to have a chance to avoid damages to the electronic.
    Currently my external antenna is connected to a media converter (TP-Link MC220L) RJ45<->SFP. Integrating the SFP port on the dish antenna would be a good idea I think. Most of the routers have a SFP port that can be used as WAN port.
    It's not unusual to make use of fiber for dish antennas. There ara already some LNBs (TV DVB-S), that uses fiber optics:
    https://www.rantex.com/615-thickbox_def ... supply.jpg
  • Bridge mode
  • Manual selection of the LTE bands (not like the Netgear modem where the user hasn't any possibility to force the modem to use one particular band)

PS:
By the way, your LHG 4G kit is a great product, It only needs a brother which support at least 300Mbps. 150Mbps is a no-go in 2018, sorry.
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I really need Band 28.
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Would like a list of actual LTE USB sticks that are compatible. Nonsense guesswork currently
 
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LTE band 31

upvote band 43
 
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For me
Cat : 700 MHz (B28), 1800 MHz (B3), 2600 MHz (B7)
Usage : extended bandwith when dsl too slow or no fiber
Country : france
Provider doesn't put on data / speed cap

I'm currently working on a solution using USB lte modem and external antenna but on cable+poe would be nicer
 
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LTE band 31

upvote band 43
R11e-4G module supports Band31 and Band43 already
 
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B28 for Australia would be nice.
 
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On the current LTE routers it's very difficult to remove the SIM cards. Please make the casing a bit bigger to fit your fingers in
 
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I would like a high gain antenna MIMO 2x2 without equipment/radios (Only antenna), for 700-2700 Mhz arround.

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I would like a high gain antenna MIMO 2x2 without equipment/radios (Only antenna), for 700-2700 Mhz arround.

I'm pretty sure some vendors, specialized in antenna design and production, have something for you and that specialized producer of software/electronics doesn't have to enter that market. Even those not welcome in some "civilized" parts of the globe ...

Before you whine about price: good antennae don't grow on palm trees and come with a price tag. If they're worth it for you or not, it's up to you to decide.
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When can we expect first 5G devices? In central Europe, 5G is already available!!
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How about implement sqm package and stop using useless features...........?
 
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I note that from the feedback here that there is very little call for LTE Bands 38 and 39.

It would be really helpful to understand the decision process that led to these bands being selected for the launch of the new InterCell Base Station products.
 
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I would like a high gain antenna MIMO 2x2 without equipment/radios (Only antenna), for 700-2700 Mhz arround.

I'm pretty sure some vendors, specialized in antenna design and production, have something for you and that specialized producer of software/electronics doesn't have to enter that market. Even those not welcome in some "civilized" parts of the globe ...

Before you whine about price: good antennae don't grow on palm trees and come with a price tag. If they're worth it for you or not, it's up to you to decide.
Impossible to get any product of any of these vendors in my country (commercially).

MikroTik has already have LHG. So hard is remove the radio and create antenna only with SMA connectors?

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Impossible to get any product of any of these vendors in my country (commercially).
Now you got me wondering where on globe capitalists don't want to do business?
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Impossible to get any product of any of these vendors in my country (commercially).
Now you got me wondering where on globe capitalists don't want to do business?
Not necessarily, but I not have any enterprise how to buy. There aren't resellers here.
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Hi,
A basestation working on the LTE-U Band 46 covers 5150 – 5925MHz is something that, small operators/ WISP s are able to buy and can generate a lot of sale for mikrotik and a lot of benefits for small WISPs.
 
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Hi all.

It would be great an outdoor enclosufre for RBM33G like basebox2 with the RB912 or something similar.

Regards.
At the moment, it's done for me with LtAP (not the mini version). I hope that will release in the next days. I can't wait to buy it. :D

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Multiple LTE cards is the way to go IMO

It would be nice to have an AT&T/TMobile version that supports 2,4,5,12,17, 66, 71

These two vendors (especially TMobile) are extrememly popular in the US for the types of services mikrotik fits. I'm using wAP LTE-US with TMobile now and it's great having 2,4,5, and 12, but I'm sorely missing 66 and 71. 71 is their favorite for new towers in rural areas and I'm giving up connectivity and speed not having that. Only peplink is offering a device with those channels right now.
 
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Need a gigabit interface and Sierra wireless modem.
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Been mentioned before, but a modem supporting band 28 for Australia would be ideal. B28 is used by Telstra and covers nearly the entire country.
 
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Been mentioned before, but a modem supporting band 28 for Australia would be ideal. B28 is used by Telstra and covers nearly the entire country.
Same story here in NZ Band 28 has much better coverage than anything else.
 
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Been mentioned before, but a modem supporting band 28 for Australia would be ideal. B28 is used by Telstra and covers nearly the entire country.
Same story here in NZ Band 28 has much better coverage than anything else.
Yeah, a modem with B28 would be great. Here in Brazil, 4 of 5 major carriers offer LTE over B28, they are TIM, Vivo, Claro and Algar.
Also, most of times you get B7 than B3.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:32 pm

+1 for Band 13 (US Verizon)
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:48 pm

In the UK both Three and Vodafone are rolling out L band which is band 32, its a Download only configuration so carrier aggregation is also required to be able to use it. Three will be using it at 20Mhz bandwidth, they currently use band 3 at 15 Mhz and band 20 at 5 Mhz so if a mast in enabled it will double the download speed if the 3 bands can be aggregated.

So Band 32 & carrier aggregation.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:30 pm

+1 for Band 13 (US Verizon)
The reason I only have one in the field.
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:56 am

We would like to know our customer wishes and use cases on what kind of future LTE technology would be interested in?
1. Which LTE Category you are interested in most - CAT6, CAT7, CAT9, CAT11, CAT12, CAT16 or some other?
2. Which LTE bands and which Carrier Aggregation combinations should be supported?
3. Should it also support Legacy technology like 3G or 2G?
4. Which World/Region/Country would you use it?
5. Which LTE carrier provider you are interested connecting and is there speed/monthly cap for the subscription plans?
Cat6, B28, 3G <= 2 years, Australia, Telstra&Optus.
Why?
LTE hardware is expensive enough, Cat6 would be the sweet spot for the next couple of years.
Australia is the sixth largest Country by land mass but only 0.33% of the worlds population so its about distance and B28 700mhz does it best!
2G has already been switched off here and 3G services are said to go as soon as next year.
 
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Re: Future of LTE products, user feedback requested

Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:03 pm

Hi everyone

I'm looking for an LTE modem that will be compatible with Mikrotik routerboards (RBM11G).
I need 3CA LTE-A suppot including L-Band (Band 32) and all the usual bands in the UK (B1,B3, B7, B20)

I am looking at the Telit LM960 and would like to know if others have used this modem in the RBM11G. The Mikrotik (RBM11G) only has USB 2.0 so this will limit performance but I do not expect the 4G networks to be delivering beyond much 100Mbps so this should not be an issue. What is the maximum throughput this routerboard could handle?

Are there any other alternative LTE-A modems that are supported by Mikrotik?

Why doesn't Mikrotik release a better LTE-A modems?

Thanks,
Tim

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