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MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:24 pm

https://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/ ... 914661.pdf => Thank you MikroTik!
So MikroTik focuses on new switches.

CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+
• 48x Gigabit ports
• 4x SFP+ for 10Gbit connections
• 2x QSFP ports for 40Gbit connections

CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
• 48x Gigabit ports with PoE out
• 4x SFP+ for 10Gbit connections
• 2x QSFP+ ports for 40Gbit connections

CRS305-1G-4S+IN (I don´t know where I should use this one?)
• 4x SFP+ ports
• 1x Gigabit Ethernet
• Metallic enclosure
• Dual DC jacks

CRS309-1G-8S+PC (passive cooled!)
• 8x SFP+ ports
• 1x Gigabit Ethernet
• Silent case

CRS328-4C-20S-4S+RM
• 20x SFP ports
• 4x ETH/SFP combo ports
• 4x SFP+ ports
• Dual PSU

CRS332-32S+RM
• 32x SFP+ ports
• RJ45 console and ETH management
• Dual PSU

CRS312-4C+8XG
• 8x 10G Ethernet ports
• 4x 10G Ethernet / 10G SFP+ combo ports
• Console and management ports
• Dual PSU

I´m missing the new 80Gb router, though.
So we will see all of those within 2018? Does anyone know more? Pricing information would also be very interesting.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:54 am

+1 on pricing and availability.
CRS305-1G-4S+IN is definitely a weird one, but I have some ideas if it's cheap enough.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:57 am

Don’t worry, they haven’t delivered the CRS 328 yet so any of the announced products might change , stay the same, or be dropped. Either way, you won’t see them till next year, maybe if Tiks track record holds. :?
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:46 am

Hmm the tiny 4xSFP+ is a good option if you want to futureproof your tv cabinet lol, less cumbersome than a 326 if you want a good switchchip with full hw accelleration. If the price is right i might snag a crs 309 instead of a 317(i need three sfp+ at best in my homelab) like i was planning to.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:33 am

Oh wow QSFP+ !
Bit disappointed by the lack of new CCR models or a Dual Band AC RB2011 upgrade.I always find these days I need something with 8+ SFP and 2X 10 SFP+ 10Gbit Uplinks for aggregation.1072 works but I think it can be done cheaper tbqh.

Three things
Is that a typo on the CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+ that it says QSFP.Shouldn't it be QSFP+ ?
Any chance of doing a 24/48 SFP+ and 2x QSFP+ CRS Switch. Find I need these types of switches a lot for DR environments. That CRS332-32S+RM looks almost perfect.Just need 40/100 Gbit Uplinks.
Any chance of some QSFP+ Mikrotik modules per chance ? Sometimes takes forever to get Fiberstore imports through customs.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:24 pm

Most of these switches are useless for many scenarios, especially for data centres. What's the use of a switch with SFP + ports, if it does not have a uplink? Mikrotik must seriously work on the research and needs of clients. All new switches should have a minimum of 2-4 QSFP ports, otherwise they are useless! Take for example CRS332-32S+RM, what's the use of having 20 servers connected to the 10 Gbps link, if the switch does not have a uplink port? What? I need to do bonding of 5-10 ports and use it as uplink ??? Hello, mikrotik guys, get serious and you will see that the new series of switches has serious lacks, uplink ports are missing!!!
The switch CRS354-48G-4S + 2Q +, which has 48 x 1 Gbps port has QSFP uplinks, and a switch that has 10 Gbps ports does not have a QSFP uplink, Does anyone else think this is funny?
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:31 am

I have already 30 pieces:) 328
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:04 pm

Most of these switches are useless for many scenarios, especially for data centres. What's the use of a switch with SFP + ports, if it does not have a uplink? Mikrotik must seriously work on the research and needs of clients. All new switches should have a minimum of 2-4 QSFP ports, otherwise they are useless! Take for example CRS332-32S+RM, what's the use of having 20 servers connected to the 10 Gbps link, if the switch does not have a uplink port? What? I need to do bonding of 5-10 ports and use it as uplink ??? Hello, mikrotik guys, get serious and you will see that the new series of switches has serious lacks, uplink ports are missing!!!
The switch CRS354-48G-4S + 2Q +, which has 48 x 1 Gbps port has QSFP uplinks, and a switch that has 10 Gbps ports does not have a QSFP uplink, Does anyone else think this is funny?
Sorry to burst your bubble but anybody with so many 10g ports in their datacenter to justify going 40/100g is going to deploy CSS/CRS to use them as edge/access devices or remote site aggregation at best, where QSFP is a nice extra but not mission critical. If you are so bandwidth strapped to cry for so many 40/100 Gb ports and haven't got the budget for aristas/nexus, there is something very off with your firm IT priorities.
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:50 pm

Is that a typo on the CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+ that it says QSFP.Shouldn't it be QSFP+ ?
sure it should. what i am more intrigued about is the routerboot changelog for 3.40. i hope it's not a typo there:
removed support for QSFP28 swapped I2C;
QSFP+ is just for 40GE, but QSFP28 is up to Nx25/50/100GE, and it also does support fanout.
on the other hand, QSFP+ implementation on mikrotik's CRS354 might be able to do 4x10 breakout with a proper pluggable as well...
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:59 pm

Most of these switches are useless for many scenarios, especially for data centres. What's the use of a switch with SFP + ports, if it does not have a uplink? Mikrotik must seriously work on the research and needs of clients. All new switches should have a minimum of 2-4 QSFP ports, otherwise they are useless! Take for example CRS332-32S+RM, what's the use of having 20 servers connected to the 10 Gbps link, if the switch does not have a uplink port? What? I need to do bonding of 5-10 ports and use it as uplink ??? Hello, mikrotik guys, get serious and you will see that the new series of switches has serious lacks, uplink ports are missing!!!
The switch CRS354-48G-4S + 2Q +, which has 48 x 1 Gbps port has QSFP uplinks, and a switch that has 10 Gbps ports does not have a QSFP uplink, Does anyone else think this is funny?
Sorry to burst your bubble but anybody with so many 10g ports in their datacenter to justify going 40/100g is going to deploy CSS/CRS to use them as edge/access devices or remote site aggregation at best, where QSFP is a nice extra but not mission critical. If you are so bandwidth strapped to cry for so many 40/100 Gb ports and haven't got the budget for aristas/nexus, there is something very off with your firm IT priorities.
Switch in top of the rack with 32 x 10g port without qsfp uplink is ok for you? seriously? Do you have any experience in the network of the data centre??? You can connect 30 servers on 30 10g ports and you have 2 x10 G ports for uplink. Do you see what is wrong with that? This switch needs minimum 4x qspf+ or qsfp28 uplinks! How will you sell 5-10 servers with full 10 Gbps speed (50-100 Gbps) with deliver through 10 Gbps uplink? Enlighten me, please! Did you know that is 50 Gbps more then 10 Gbps?
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:22 am


CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+
• 48x Gigabit ports
• 4x SFP+ for 10Gbit connections
• 2x QSFP ports for 40Gbit connections
CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+
• 48x Gigabit ports with PoE out
• 4x SFP+ for 10Gbit connections
• 2x QSFP+ ports for 40Gbit connections

Great, however not sure why the included QSFP in these models. Compared with other vendors usually 4 x SFP+ is enough. The only usually include QSFP if the ports are all 10Ge or SFP+. Not complaining as such, but a little strange.

CRS305-1G-4S+IN (I don´t know where I should use this one?)
• 4x SFP+ ports
• 1x Gigabit Ethernet
• Metallic enclosure
• Dual DC jacks
Nice for in a riser scenario.

CRS328-4C-20S-4S+RM
• 20x SFP ports
• 4x ETH/SFP combo ports
• 4x SFP+ ports
• Dual PSU

Great, like this product.

CRS332-32S+RM
• 32x SFP+ ports
• RJ45 console and ETH management
• Dual PSU

Should have rather had 20-24 SFP+ and at least 2 x QSFP.
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I really do appreciate that Mikrotik is trying to improve their switch lineup. Just some of their decisions baffles me.

e.g I can get a brand new Juniper EX4600 for 50% more than a CCR1072 (I know its a router, but just to give you an idea of price point).
For this I get:
24 x SFP+
4 x QSFP+
2 x Management ports (ethernet and SFP)
and I can still add two expansion models of 8x SFP+ each, or even 2 x 4 port QSFP+ ports.

When I want to compare to this switch, I can't with Mikrotik. E.g their switch with 32 x SFP+ ports - has no QSFP+ ports, if I only wanted SFP+ I would get a refurb dell for $1200.

I am glad they went with QSFP as it is at a nice price point currently, I think it satisfies more people than QSFP28 would, well at least till the next revision of hardware. For me these are the models that I would have/design:

8 x 1Gbps ethernet and 2 x SFP+ both in POE and non POE (deskmount case)
24 x 1Gbps ethernet and 4 x SFP+ both in POE and non POE. (option of adding an additional PSU)
48 x 1Gbps ethernet and 4 x SFP+ both in POE and non POE. (option of adding an additional PSU)
24 x 10G ethernet and 4 x QSFP+
24 x SFP, and 4 x SFP+ (dual power supplies)
24 x SFP+ and 4 x QSFP+ (dual power supplies)
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:19 pm

All this 10GB switching capability is just begging me to upgrade my home network to something I don't need.
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:41 pm

All this 10GB switching capability is just begging me to upgrade my home network to something I don't need.
I think you should do the upgrade. And sell your used gear for fraction of price to me. I'm thinking of upgrading my home network from 100Mbps to 1Gbps at every UTP outlet :wink:
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:55 pm

All this 10GB switching capability is just begging me to upgrade my home network to something I don't need.
I think you should do the upgrade. And sell your used gear for fraction of price to me. I'm thinking of upgrading my home network from 100Mbps to 1Gbps at every UTP outlet :wink:
I'd upgrade in a heartbeat if it wasn't for my uncertainty on what 10GB NIC's to get for my PC's.
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:21 pm

All this 10GB switching capability is just begging me to upgrade my home network to something I don't need.
I think you should do the upgrade. And sell your used gear for fraction of price to me. I'm thinking of upgrading my home network from 100Mbps to 1Gbps at every UTP outlet :wink:
I'd upgrade in a heartbeat if it wasn't for my uncertainty on what 10GB NIC's to get for my PC's.
You should upgrade chicken first and think about egg later :wink:

Or you should have a few milk punches and not worry about eggs at all. :lol:
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:22 pm

Sorry to burst your bubble but anybody with so many 10g ports in their datacenter to justify going 40/100g is going to deploy CSS/CRS to use them as edge/access devices or remote site aggregation at best, where QSFP is a nice extra but not mission critical. If you are so bandwidth strapped to cry for so many 40/100 Gb ports and haven't got the budget for aristas/nexus, there is something very off with your firm IT priorities.
Switch in top of the rack with 32 x 10g port without qsfp uplink is ok for you? seriously? Do you have any experience in the network of the data centre??? You can connect 30 servers on 30 10g ports and you have 2 x10 G ports for uplink. Do you see what is wrong with that? This switch needs minimum 4x qspf+ or qsfp28 uplinks! How will you sell 5-10 servers with full 10 Gbps speed (50-100 Gbps) with deliver through 10 Gbps uplink? Enlighten me, please! Did you know that is 50 Gbps more then 10 Gbps?
Yeah i do work in a datacentre and most of the 10g traffic stays in the same switch, a leaf/spine uplink strategy will suffice so no need for many QSFP+ ports let alone CFP. If you have a situation where all of the servers hammer down both the server ports and uplink ports in a north-south scenario, given all the issues you can find reported in this same board or the swos board, a crs is going to melt anyway so no point into making such a fuss, if you have such network requirements you need to spec proper switching kit and not Mikro. Let me repeat in case you didn't catch the hint i said twice, mikrotik 10g kit is a decent pick for a homelab where there are no issues if it doesn't perform up to spec, if you have serious datacenter requirements look elsewhere.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:50 pm

Great, however not sure why the included QSFP in these models. Compared with other vendors usually 4 x SFP+ is enough. The only usually include QSFP if the ports are all 10Ge or SFP+. Not complaining as such, but a little strange.
QSFP+ could be used for future features, like stacking.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:41 pm

Great, however not sure why the included QSFP in these models. Compared with other vendors usually 4 x SFP+ is enough. The only usually include QSFP if the ports are all 10Ge or SFP+. Not complaining as such, but a little strange.
QSFP+ could be used for future features, like stacking.
True (which would be nice), but just find it strange that the CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+ and CRS354-48P-4S+2Q+ switches get QSFP ports, however the SFP+ CRS332-32S+RM switch does not. Maybe something that can still be remedied?

I really like the look of the CRS354's though. Been waiting for ages for 48 port switches from Mikrotik :)
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:56 pm

Sorry to burst your bubble but anybody with so many 10g ports in their datacenter to justify going 40/100g is going to deploy CSS/CRS to use them as edge/access devices or remote site aggregation at best, where QSFP is a nice extra but not mission critical. If you are so bandwidth strapped to cry for so many 40/100 Gb ports and haven't got the budget for aristas/nexus, there is something very off with your firm IT priorities.
Switch in top of the rack with 32 x 10g port without qsfp uplink is ok for you? seriously? Do you have any experience in the network of the data centre??? You can connect 30 servers on 30 10g ports and you have 2 x10 G ports for uplink. Do you see what is wrong with that? This switch needs minimum 4x qspf+ or qsfp28 uplinks! How will you sell 5-10 servers with full 10 Gbps speed (50-100 Gbps) with deliver through 10 Gbps uplink? Enlighten me, please! Did you know that is 50 Gbps more then 10 Gbps?
Yeah i do work in a datacentre and most of the 10g traffic stays in the same switch, a leaf/spine uplink strategy will suffice so no need for many QSFP+ ports let alone CFP. If you have a situation where all of the servers hammer down both the server ports and uplink ports in a north-south scenario, given all the issues you can find reported in this same board or the swos board, a crs is going to melt anyway so no point into making such a fuss, if you have such network requirements you need to spec proper switching kit and not Mikro. Let me repeat in case you didn't catch the hint i said twice, mikrotik 10g kit is a decent pick for a homelab where there are no issues if it doesn't perform up to spec, if you have serious datacenter requirements look elsewhere.
In my scenario almost all data to server going through uplink ports. Most of 10Gbps clients are IPTV providers, etc... there i no too much data between clients on same switch... Anyway, it is illogical for me to put QSFP uplink on a 1 Gbps ports switch, and not to 10 Gbps ports switch.
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Fri May 18, 2018 12:23 pm

Where can we find information about switch packet buffers?
 
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Re: MUM Europe 2018 - New hardware incoming

Fri May 18, 2018 3:42 pm

I bought a 5-port gigabit switch a few months ago for a small home network:

cable router -> UPS -> switch

So there would be a use for 10G eventually, but I would not want SFP+.

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