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802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:48 am

I'm aware that there are products now available using Wave 2 chipsets; hAP AC2, cAP AC, RB4011. However, does anyone know if the MU-MIMO functions or beamforming are currently supported and functioning in routerOS? And what I'm even more interested in is in the devices that are only 2x2 MIMO, is there any gain in transmissions with MU-MIMO when transmitting to other 2x2 devices, or is it virtually identical to performance on non MU-MIMO devices?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:47 am

I'm aware that there are products now available using Wave 2 chipsets; hAP AC2, cAP AC, RB4011. However, does anyone know if the MU-MIMO functions or beamforming are currently supported and functioning in routerOS? And what I'm even more interested in is in the devices that are only 2x2 MIMO, is there any gain in transmissions with MU-MIMO when transmitting to other 2x2 devices, or is it virtually identical to performance on non MU-MIMO devices?
Mikrotiks Wireless Driver that is done by there own, is missing all Wave2 features and in the past it lost mich of function, what was available for 802.11n

- they don’t benefit with new Chipsets
- speed with Wave 2 Chipsets is worse than older ac Hardware
- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices

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2. Buy something else
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:53 am

- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices
Not true, new betas fix the issue with Apple and the issue is with Apple new driver, not RouterOS driver.
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:50 pm

- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices
Not true, new betas fix the issue with Apple and the issue is with Apple new driver, not RouterOS driver.
Ok, the apple is solved. And the rest?
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:24 pm

You are right, that MikroTik made wireless driver doesn't have Wave2 support, so new chipset benefits are not there. We are working on a new driver.
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:59 pm

You are right, that MikroTik made wireless driver doesn't have Wave2 support, so new chipset benefits are not there. We are working on a new driver.
Will the new driver appear in version 6.X or do we need to wait for the legendary version 7?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:02 pm

You are right, that MikroTik made wireless driver doesn't have Wave2 support, so new chipset benefits are not there. We are working on a new driver.
Will the new driver appear in version 6.X or do we need to wait for the legendary version 7?
I have the same question
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:24 pm

V7 will fix all issues Release date TBD

My RB4011 is performing well but nothing like the Wave2 stuff from other manufacturers.

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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:06 pm

You are right, that MikroTik made wireless driver doesn't have Wave2 support, so new chipset benefits are not there. We are working on a new driver.
Normis,

Do you have any kind of estimate on when we could expect the new driver with support for Wave 2? We are looking at doing a large project, and choice of hardware is going to weigh heavily on whether these features are (or will be soon) present.

To the other folks, whether you feel it's deserved or not, snide comments about v7 are not going to get you results. Please be respectful.
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:13 pm

- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices
Not true, new betas fix the issue with Apple and the issue is with Apple new driver, not RouterOS driver.
I have done picture with HP Laptop and 4011 still 54MBit, IPhone connects with full speed, not solved in actual Beta!
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:49 pm

Do you have any kind of estimate on when we could expect the new driver with support for Wave 2? We are looking at doing a large project, and choice of hardware is going to weigh heavily on whether these features are (or will be soon) present.
Well, I live in a world of public tender. Public institutions are advised by some "vicarious agent" who are heavily influenced about what they sell. The consultants usually get 10% of the money the winner of the tender charges for its solution. So guess what those so "neutral consultants" write in their tender documents?

Of course: They don´t say vendor C, A, E, or H. But they directly get the prefilled tender documents right from the sales agents of the vendors. They copy whole parts, sometimes from vendor C for tender 1. For the tender afterwards they take the text from A, then perhaps from A, or sometimes from H.

Those people have never heard about M. If you look at the tender documents you´ll find the usual basic requirements, i.e. they want "wave 2", they want "beamforming"; even if they don´t know what this actual does. So, what I like to see is that MikroTik recruit some programmers to get those features up and running as this will simply maximize your revenue.
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:07 am

- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices
Not true, new betas fix the issue with Apple and the issue is with Apple new driver, not RouterOS driver.
I have done picture with HP Laptop and 4011 still 54MBit, IPhone connects with full speed, not solved in actual Beta!
have you checked the changelog?
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:11 am

- they incompatible to some Intel and Apple devices
Not true, new betas fix the issue with Apple and the issue is with Apple new driver, not RouterOS driver.
I have done picture with HP Laptop and 4011 still 54MBit, IPhone connects with full speed, not solved in actual Beta!
have you checked the changelog?
If there is something done for iPhone (i have an older one) it is not on Changelog:

*) wireless - added new "installation" parameter to specify router's location;
*) wireless - improved signal strength at low TX power on LHG 5 ac, LHG 5 ac XL and LDF 5 ac ("/system routerboard upgrade" required);
*) wireless - improved system stability for all ARM devices with wireless;
*) wireless - removed G/N support for 2484MHz in "japan" regulatory domain;
*) wireless - report last seen IP address in RADIUS accounting messages;
*) wireless - show indoor/outdoor frequency limitations under "/interface wireless info country-info " command;

But bigger Problem is Intel Hardware. A new Wave 2 Router and it is impossible to deliver more then 20Mbit real TCP to an new Laptop..... @5Ghz,
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:48 am

Exactly my point. The beta with iPhone fixes is not public yet. Please wait a little bit. it's being released today
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:07 pm

Even planning for the same day seems impossible for mikrotik.......
Exactly my point. The beta with iPhone fixes is not public yet. Please wait a little bit. it's being released today
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:24 pm

Don't be so harsh. Issues come up in development, in life, ...
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:26 pm

The beta with iPhone fixes is not public yet. Please wait a little bit. it's being released today.

Thank you Normis. If you guys could a write up on what the juicy details were, that would be great.
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:43 pm

Exactly my point. The beta with iPhone fixes is not public yet. Please wait a little bit. it's being released today
Normis,

Seems this thread is getting away from the original topic...

That being said, did you have any details on when we could expect a new wireless driver in rOS?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:03 pm

Anything new? I was at MUM, but I did not noticed anything about this...
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:46 pm

What is the current status of wave 2 features in Mikrotik wireless drivers?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:09 pm

Nothing changed
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:19 am

they are working now on the new Audience (RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD) will be ready in couple weeks,
but not sure if Wave2 will be supported, so its only for home usage, far from competitors
and an easy capsman setup tool it's also missing, but will come for sure in x years
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:28 am

What is the current status of wave 2 features in Mikrotik wireless drivers?
Most of the features are implemented, but MU-MIMO is WIP

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Any validity of the statement?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:07 am

Most of the features are implemented, but MU-MIMO is WIP
Thank you for the update. What features have been implemented for now? May I ask when you plan to release those new drivers within new beta RouterOS versions? Will we be able to test those drivers with a new (optional) wireless driver package as in the past?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:05 pm

which featues are missing now? we already released the driver update in last betas.
160MHz works, like Reinis said, only MU-MIMO is not implemented as the only remaining Wave2 feature.
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:49 pm

which features are missing now?
MU-MIMO 8)
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:49 pm

160MHz does not work in the US, presumably because Mikrotik did not complete the necessary testing required.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/kdb/forms/FT ... P&id=27155
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:12 pm

which featues are missing now? we already released the driver update in last betas.
Great, so that´s the driver update, I assume?

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Version 6.46beta16 has been released.
*) wireless - fixed 802.11n rate selection when managed by CAPsMAN;
*) wireless - improved 802.11ac stability for all ARM devices with wireless;
*) wireless - improved U-APSD (WMM Power Save) support for 802.11e;
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:16 pm

Yes, "stability" means a lot of improvements under the hood, including 160MHz in supported regions.
Yes, like I said, MU-MIMO is the only missing thing right now. Wave2, to my knowledge, doesn't have any other things RouterOS doesn't support already.
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:24 pm

When can we use mu-mimo?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:16 am

Does wAP ac support VHT160?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:09 am

160MHz does not work in the US, presumably because Mikrotik did not complete the necessary testing required.
Sorry, but we are still in the process of certifying for US (U-NII-2), that's why you cannot choose any frequencies with the 160MHz configuration when country is set to united-states-3.

Does wAP ac support VHT160?
No
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:39 pm

When can we use mu-mimo?
In RouterOS? Never .... or in year 2030....
Mikrotik don't listening us, dont listening clients...

Same can say about Beamforming, Mesh, new hotspot, 802.11k/v/r

CAPsMAN and HotSpot is outdatet, so we forced change Mikrotik and choose EdgeCore solutions for WiFi. More stable, more features.

Mikrotik... what happend with you?
 
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Re: 802.11ac Wave2 Support?

Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:10 am

Yes, like I said, MU-MIMO is the only missing thing right now. Wave2, to my knowledge, doesn't have any other things RouterOS doesn't support already.
Will MU-MIMO be supported in V7 only or in V6, aswell?

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