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WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:40 am

 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:28 pm

Weird.

It has way less output power that the WAP60/WAP60SXT and more than the LHG60. But name suggests WAP60 form factor. No Idea where they going with this, what is the M for

WAP60SXT - 363 mW
WAP60G - 146 mW
LHG60 - 17 mW

WAPG60ADM - 30 mW
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:50 pm

The 'ad' in the name may refer to the "real 802.11ad", not the proprietary protocol stuff like the current 60GHz product line. Hence the wall-mountable (indoor) AP form-factor with limited power. Just guessing.
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:56 pm

They all actually have AD in the name. I was being lazy
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:16 pm

M = mesh ?
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:26 pm

Multiband.........
And the FCC PDF show that this Device would be an Wireless Upgrade with 5 Gbit speed
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:27 pm

 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:33 pm

Possible for the 5ghz Interface, But not for 60ghz
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:44 pm

Weird.

It has way less output power that the WAP60/WAP60SXT and more than the LHG60. But name suggests WAP60 form factor. No Idea where they going with this, what is the M for

WAP60SXT - 363 mW
WAP60G - 146 mW
LHG60 - 17 mW

WAPG60ADM - 30 mW
The output power is irrelevant for usage. What matters is the EIRP (output power times antenna gain).
It is a bit strange that the FCC explicitly lists the output power in such applications, while in the actual regulations for the usage of the spectrum it is the EIRP that is limited.

But always good to know that the employees are not on drugs... they sure know what is relevant, those US lawmakers!
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:59 pm

Yes, M could be for Mesh possibly. Could it be for Terragraph?

https://terragraph.com/

https://blog.mikrotik.com/announcements ... graph.html
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:14 pm

Weird.

It has way less output power that the WAP60/WAP60SXT and more than the LHG60. But name suggests WAP60 form factor. No Idea where they going with this, what is the M for

WAP60SXT - 363 mW
WAP60G - 146 mW
LHG60 - 17 mW

WAPG60ADM - 30 mW
The output power is irrelevant for usage. What matters is the EIRP (output power times antenna gain).
It is a bit strange that the FCC explicitly lists the output power in such applications, while in the actual regulations for the usage of the spectrum it is the EIRP that is limited.

But always good to know that the employees are not on drugs... they sure know what is relevant, those US lawmakers!

Sure. But I guess that was my point. Generally the WAP (if we consider the form factor of all other WAPs) has much lower gain than the LHG series
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:14 pm

Yes, M could be for Mesh possibly. Could it be for Terragraph?
terragraph depends on the QCA64xx baseband from qualcomm and most features it is essentially part of the .11ay standard. the current terragraph has modified MAC&PHY layers, frame structure, basically everything - so it is absolutely not compatible with .11ad
i put my bets on multiband. if you saw the internal photos of both LHG60 and wAP60 units, there were solder pads for RF stage and MMCX connectors unpopulated. check out the block diagram for the IPQ4019 SoC that powers wAP - it has a complete .11ac baseband in the complex (and a 2.4GHz .11n one too). http://linuxgizmos.com/files/qualcomm_ipq40x_block.jpg
so i guess those signs point to the same direction.
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:31 pm

The 'ad' in the name may refer to the "real 802.11ad", not the proprietary protocol stuff like the current 60GHz product line.
all the 60GHz units made by MikroTik have the 'ad' letters in their product code

RBwAPG-60ad-SA (wAP 60Gx3 AP)
RBwAPG-60ad (wAP 60G)
RBSXTsq-60ad (SXTsq Lite60)
RBLHG-60ad (LHG Lite60)
RBLHGG-60ad (LHG 60G)
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:52 pm

Yes, M could be for Mesh possibly. Could it be for Terragraph?
terragraph depends on the QCA64xx baseband from qualcomm and most features it is essentially part of the .11ay standard. the current terragraph has modified MAC&PHY layers, frame structure, basically everything - so it is absolutely not compatible with .11ad
i put my bets on multiband. if you saw the internal photos of both LHG60 and wAP60 units, there were solder pads for RF stage and MMCX connectors unpopulated. check out the block diagram for the IPQ4019 SoC that powers wAP - it has a complete .11ac baseband in the complex (and a 2.4GHz .11n one too). http://linuxgizmos.com/files/qualcomm_ipq40x_block.jpg
so i guess those signs point to the same direction.
Imho 60GHz needs a fallback to 5GHz to be effective. You could take the risk to do much longer links. But the failover has to be well done.
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:43 am

M for Module

per this doc:

https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplication ... id=4416192

The requirement for stand-alone test configuration: The module cannot stand-alone during test. This module is intended for OEM integration only and limited to host with brand: Mikrotik and model: RBwAPG-60ad-SA, RBwAPG-60ad.
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:44 pm

Ok so it is something like the mini-PCI modules used for LTE (and, mainly in the past, also for WiFi)?
 
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:34 pm

And this:
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Re: WAPG60ADM new 60 GHz product

Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:56 pm

Ok so it is something like the mini-PCI modules used for LTE (and, mainly in the past, also for WiFi)?
i doubt. Mikrotik calls their modules as R11e-xxxx.
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