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WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:14 pm

Hi,

is there any info regarding an implementation of WIFI 6 or 802.1ax from Microtik?

With the rising numbers of other vendors releasing Wifi 6 hardware to the market i am wondering if there is timeline from Microtik.

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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:30 pm

I sure hope so! MIkroTIk WIFI6 would be amazing!
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:54 pm

MikroTik might release an access point with an 802.11ax capable chipset, but MikroTik currently doesn´t have software feature that make it 802.11ax or even WiFi6, i.e. there´s no support for
1. OFDMA
2. UL MU-MIMO
3. DL MU-MIMO
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:59 am

MikroTik might release an access point with an 802.11ax capable chipset, but MikroTik currently doesn´t have software feature that make it 802.11ax or even WiFi6, i.e. there´s no support for
1. OFDMA
2. UL MU-MIMO
3. DL MU-MIMO
100% right, Mikrotik WiFi 5 Driver Never lefts Beta Stadium, so please don’t cry for WiFi 6, buy something elsewhere if you want to use it now
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:20 pm

I don't see what a home user can buy instead of Mikrotik.

The RB4011 successor should have ax.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:36 pm

well, with the recent (imho great) hardware releases for switching, I hope the WIFI hardware will be updated as well.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:54 pm

When or where is new MikroTik Hardware introduced?
Any specific season in the year or MUM?
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:28 pm

I think the newsletter has new hardware releases every month that were previously announced at some MUM.

It can take quite a while between announcement and release.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:57 pm

I sure hope so! MIkroTIk WIFI6 would be amazing!
Before I buy any new mikrotik radio I would like to see:
1)Stable ROS for 802.11AC wave 1 (randomly reboot if firewall & WMM use pure 802.11 ofc).
2)Mu-mimo for mikrotik 802.11AC wave 2 ARM devices 3 years & still can't use this hardware full potential.
3)Maybe real TDMA protocol like cambium or not..... its impossible for mikrotik. Just fix old hardware nothing more than basic functions.

Now use Cambium 802.11ac vave2 mu-mimo basestations & use cambium software for old 802.11N mikrotik devices. Trust me old mikrotik stuff work much much better with cambium software.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

It's mainly about software. And the software we all have outdated (from Mikrotik)
V7 - no changes yet.
We are waiting for the spectral scan from 2014, and others ...

Still waiting.... :-(
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:32 pm

It's mainly about software. And the software we all have outdated (from Mikrotik)
V7 - no changes yet.
We are waiting for the spectral scan from 2014, and others ...

Still waiting.... :-(
No. With wireless it is about HW, too. Actual HW done for WISPs shows speed and features we need in 2020. It takes a big/long invest to build this. So I guess MT has done a good business decision and concentrate on CCR, CRS, ...
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:46 am

2Jarek,
Which cambium with which Mikrotik?
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:51 am

2Jarek,
Which cambium with which Mikrotik?
Cambium Epmp 3000/3000L + Mikrotik: SXTLite, LHG, DISC (802.11N only)
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:09 am

Now use Cambium 802.11ac vave2 mu-mimo basestations & use cambium software for old 802.11N mikrotik devices. Trust me old mikrotik stuff work much much better with cambium software.
We use this too, terrifying how bad ROS is
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:35 pm

Here is the Cambium 802.11ax roadmap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUmy6lSniIs
about 29 minutes in
How about something like this from mikrotik!
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:05 pm

2Jarek,
So what Cambium software, and will it run on the current Mikrotik LHG products?
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:34 pm

The RB4011 successor should have ax.
Definitely, and at least 2 sfp+ or 2x 10gbe

Im sure the isp's that deliver 10gbit to the house are going to be interested.
I'm using [redacted] and their hand off is an sfp+ which i plugged in to a crs305...
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:07 pm

MT is able to create very good products for a small ISP.
MT is not talking about the priorities of technological solutions, but everything you need to work in a micro network is already there.
Don't ask MT for more than being their segment. For a well-designed micro network, MT solutions are the most rational. If you need a bigger network and more requirements, look for another segment, because MT lives as they want, not as the market wants (management is based on micro solutions and internal culture).
Therefore, with MT and their solutions, everything is fine today and it will be tomorrow.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:19 pm

My ISP does not use Mikrotik. I have to buy it myself.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu May 07, 2020 9:38 am

The RB4011 successor should have ax.
Definitely, and at least 2 sfp+ or 2x 10gbe

Im sure the isp's that deliver 10gbit to the house are going to be interested.
I'm using [redacted] and their hand off is an sfp+ which i plugged in to a crs305...
On that note, I just ordered a ccr2004 for home.....
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun May 10, 2020 6:29 pm

Still waiting.... :-(
As Mikrotik is unable to face to others manufactures with their current wifi performance, I don't believe that Mikrotik will implement wifi6 at all.

Keep waiting...
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun May 10, 2020 7:20 pm

Mikrotik wireless has been sub par all the way back in AC v1 the AC V2 devices have been plagued with constant issues relating to connection and throughput.

Caps-man is incredible on paper. But in the wild... It's cost me a lot of money. Giving up and going back to another vendor was coslty... But we are back to having happy clients.

Mikrotik can route... But she it comes to wifi... It's an "also ran".
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun May 10, 2020 7:31 pm


Mikrotik can route... But she it comes to wifi... It's an "also ran".
As in these day's is difficult to sell router without wifi support, so I guess, that Mikrotik added wifi support as kind of for the name only and it's there as it is and that's it. As they have not fixed problems in years and keeping doing things like always, the result is also like always.

I think, that they should look into mirror and face the truth, that their wifi sucks and discontinue the wifi line completely and find some good wifi manufacturer and sell their access points for wifi needed clients.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:37 am

I get Mikrotik so I can use USA power settings in the UK lol
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:59 pm

As in these day's is difficult to sell router without wifi support, so I guess, that Mikrotik added wifi support as kind of for the name only and it's there as it is and that's it.
New Mikrotik products are all IPQ40XX based which has a built-in WiFi chip so they can just attach the antennas and voila a new WiFi/LTE router ready to be sold.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:03 pm

Unless Normis & Co, hire bpwl to start writing legible documentation and more importantly help the coders apply a logical approach to 'Tuning' existing wifi and future wifi, and assist in the move to other newer wifi generations, the MT wifi product line will continue to frustrate most users. We dont need to eke the last 10mbps out of wifi, we need to get to 90% easily and have it be stable.
I am more and more convinced that MT only puts extra effort into the enterprise wisp performance/equipment, to the detriment of all 'home' wifi.
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:29 am

Unless Normis & Co, hire bpwl to start writing legible documentation and more importantly help the coders apply a logical approach to 'Tuning' existing wifi and future wifi, and assist in the move to other newer wifi generations, the MT wifi product line will continue to frustrate most users. We dont need to eke the last 10mbps out of wifi, we need to get to 90% easily and have it be stable.
I am more and more convinced that MT only puts extra effort into the enterprise wisp performance/equipment, to the detriment of all 'home' wifi.
I second this and 10000% SUPPORT this fact for MikroTik to hire bpwl. I will even contribute towards the crowd source. [as I previously pledged]
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:01 am

Well they ARE looking for people, see https://darbs.mikrotik.com/darbs/
However, even though you can check out the roles with google translate and so on, they still require "excellent knowledge of Latvian and English."
It's fair i guess since the company is located in Latvia, but unfortunately they miss out on a whole bunch of people that could work for them that only speaks English for example. If the Pandemic has taught us anything , then it is that quite a few jobs can be done remotely! So i don't see why they couldn't post jobs only requiring English, and a vpn-connection....
So maybe some of you guys with the proper knowledge could apply, even though you dont speak Latvian and see where it brings you, I mean you already know that Mikrotik is the future ;-)....
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:59 pm

MU-MIMO never worked/supported...
And busy environments cause the 2.4 radios to "give up".
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:23 pm

I think beamforming (the explicit/standard 802.11ac one) is more important than MU-MIMO because it focuses the signal to clients and thus they can negotiate better data rates with the AP. Although MU-MIMO can help on a four chain radio (like the RB4011 or the Audience) with several devices using the connection constantly.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:07 pm

I think beamforming (the explicit/standard 802.11ac one) is more important than MU-MIMO because it focuses the signal to clients and thus they can negotiate better data rates with the AP. Although MU-MIMO can help on a four chain radio (like the RB4011 or the Audience) with several devices using the connection constantly.
I wasn't sure if beamforming made the list. Apparently it does.
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:02 pm

I am thinking to change my WiFi interference for better coverage. But of course I need WiFi 6 devices as well to take advantage of that. I found this article https://www.mybestwirelessrouters.com/wi-fi-6/ very helpful and learn a lot of things from here.
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:47 am

I am thinking to change my WiFi interference and better coverage. But of course I need WiFi 6 devices as well to take advantage of that.
WiFi 4 works with interference.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:11 pm

I am thinking to change my WiFi interference and better coverage. But of course I need WiFi 6 devices as well to take advantage of that.
WiFi 4 works with interference.
But Mikrotik's radios don't deal with interference as well as other vendors.

This pains me daily on installs...

I would be deploying caps-man constantly, if I could trust the radios. They just don't keep up and the way they "give up" in noisy environments, doesn't get the job done.
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:07 pm

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Mikrotik can route... But she it comes to wifi... It's an "also ran".
@gotsprings, you are being very kind ..... In the modern world -- for the G7 nations -- and in the wireless realm MikroTik wireless is unable to compete. But perhaps its existing product lineup satisfies its current supply chain so there is no reason to be concerned. If its supply chain complained then that would be a different story.

The value proposition for wired routers branded MikroTik is excellent without question ..... wireless not in the game.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:41 pm

They just don't keep up and the way they "give up" in noisy environments, doesn't get the job done.
Have you noticed any difference with RouterOS v7.1.x?
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:40 pm

Used a Ruckus R550 for the last 2 weeks...

That's a painful reminder...
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:28 pm

Any updates?
Any tweets?
Any something about Mikrotik AccessPoint with WiFi6 Support?
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:30 pm

Software is already cooking for WiFi6. You can see that in wifiwave2 package.
I bet hardware is in development too.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:39 pm

Software is already cooking for WiFi6. You can see that in wifiwave2 package.
The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:09 am

The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell.
We're only 7 months away from Q3, and that's not much time to make new 6E APs if you're not some megacorp funded by scam cloud services.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:44 pm

The big networking device vendors will release thei WiFi 6E access points in Q3/Q4 2021. So, it would be a chance for MIkroTik to go develop straight 802.11ax access points with 6 GHz support, aswell.
We're only 7 months away from Q3, and that's not much time to make new 6E APs if you're not some megacorp funded by scam cloud services.
Haven´t chipset vendors usually have something like a kind of default design for access points which can be used?
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:01 pm

The hardware design is not Mikrotiks Problem.
It will take 2 years to get to the competitors software level...
ROS 6 ist outdated
ROS 7 is not more as an early alpha
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:07 pm

2 mistry7
Why does it have to take 2 years? We don't need Mikrotik's NV2\3\4 anymore, OFDMA can solve hidden node problem, isn't it? We only need cheap firmware and Mikrotik's ROS, to use it as a standart 802.11AX.
correct me, if im not right.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:43 pm

It would be much easier if Mikrotik talked about their products for wisp
 
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Why does it have to take 2 years? We don't need Mikrotik's NV2\3\4 anymore, OFDMA can solve hidden node problem, isn't it? We only need cheap firmware and Mikrotik's ROS, to use it as a standart 802.11AX.
correct me, if im not right.
You are right, but it will take more then

2 years to bring ROS 7 in the near of Stable, and this issue is a homebrew one, because they are sleeping the last 5 years, Kernel 4 was released in 2015, and now the hole between needed and available ist a big one.


It is impossible to run ax driver in 3.xx kernel.
So the step is needed. Mikrotik AC is missing so much because of Old Kernel...
Every 25€ TPlink is faster then Mikrotik.

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Mikrotik WISP has no future
-no Spektrum Analyse
-no gps sync and channel reuse
- no own radios like Airfiber
- speed half then competitors
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:49 am

Currently many MikroTik WiFi devices include IPQ4018 or IPQ4019 chipset. The next generation will probably use IPQ60xx chipset. So when everybody else sells WiFi6E in 2022, MikroTik starts with WiFi6.
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:29 pm

Currently many MikroTik WiFi devices include IPQ4018 or IPQ4019 chipset. The next generation will probably use IPQ60xx chipset. So when everybody else sells WiFi6E in 2022, MikroTik starts with WiFi6.
Mikrotik drags a lot farther behind than that. What are we at... 6 years on incomplete wifi 5?
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Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:31 pm

Mikrotik drags a lot farther behind than that. What are we at... 6 years on incomplete wifi 5?
Well, with RouterOS 7, MikroTik uses binary drivers from the chipset´s vendor, no more selfmade 802.11 code. So, this problem should be solved in the future.
 
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Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:05 pm

with RouterOS 7, MikroTik uses binary drivers from the chipset´s vendor, no more selfmade 802.11 code
Finally, maybe we can have spectral scanning in 802.11ac/ax equipment
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:03 am

linux kernel As of version 5.11, they introduced Wi-Fi 6E support to their kernel codes. There will probably be kernel level support like wireguard.lecek.
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:42 am

For those who are complaining about wifi6 etc, I would encourage you watch few REAL reviews (not sponsored) of some "relatively cheap" wifi 6 routers from big brands (including Ubiquiti) for same price range as MikroTik (~$150) and then run similar benchmarks using MikroTik Audience/RB4011 using wifiwave2 impl with wifi 5 and you will see that wifi 6 is not that big thing really and in fact Unifi 6 especially is doing poor job in my opinion (I would not use it, even if cheaper in fact). Also those who complain about MikroTik, I would encourage to read some other forums like Ubiquiti and you will see they are not really so good and many users are suffering really slow performance, for which they have not found the fix yet.

Regarding my tests, I am getting sustained 570Mbit (max 638Mbit recorded) with iperf3 on 2 chain MBP Pro with M1, sitting 2 rooms away from Audience- two walls away, doors shut!
Also tested running full load using iPhone and MBP pro simultaneously, which resulted in total transfer bandwidth of about ~560MBit, so no "capacity" issue for such a home user as I am. I have 7 devices on 5GHz network. Rest is 2.4Ghz (approx 25 devices) or wired (approx 10 devices).
To be clear I am not talking about phy speed, talking about real data transfers measured with iperf.

I know you will say wifi6 is about capacity now, but reality is that most of devices in "crowd" are on 2.4 bands (almost all IoT) while 5/6ghz are only devices like laptops and mobiles, which you have few at home and it is doubtful you are using them all the same time.
Also if anybody is real about gaming/work/movies/audio and using PCs/Xbox/SonyPS/TVs/Streamers they must be using wired connections (for example 10gb switches) and forget about using wifi/power plugs for it.
Simply wifi is for mobile and IoT devices.
Also to be clear, Audience/RB4011 are not commercial wifi devices, from my perspective they are home/very small office (<10 people). Although Audience has more chains than rb4011 so in theory can handle more clients but has less cpu power. Not my worry anyway as capacity is not my problem.
Anybody using office deployments, would probably look for something with more chains/capacity and surely not "cheap" wifi 6 routers.
For me, I do not need anything more than I have now, even having most mobile devices 6Ghz compatible.
Once they will start making 5/6GHz IoT, then it might be a problem indeed, but now and next year or so, no.
It will not happen soon really as higher frequencies has lower walls penetration potential therefore might not be suitable for home robots/appliances/cameras etc.
So absolutely no point for MikroTik to rush with wifi 6, might be better to deliver 6e and skip 6 as it is not worth from my perspective.

Also well done MikroTik on wifiwave2- comes bit late indeed when compared to other producers but it is awesome!

My config:
Audience with 7.1b4 firmware.
Using wifiwave2- wifi3 (QCA9984 chip) with 4 chains.
Channel width: 20/40/80+80.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:23 pm

For those who are complaining [...]
Great, what lucky guy you are! About 1 year after MikroTik started selling the Audience they showed you grace and offer you a development firmware with first official chipset vendors binary firmware files with 802.11v and 802.11w! I can´t believe how lucky your are...

What about the other poor guys waiting for years for standard features which other "home network" vendors support for years, like complete fast roaming support with IEEE 802.11k, IEEE 802.11r, and IEEE 802.11v, MU-MIMO, ... Yes, we are talking about those guys who purchased access points and routers with a current IEEE 802.11ac Wave 2 IPQ40xx chipset only few years ago, but with 16MB of ROM and/or 128MB of RAM which currently will not receive that lucky new MikroTik "WifiWave2 " driver package with chipset´s binary firmware.

802.11ax is not only about capacity but efficiency. Hopefully with the new MikroTik devices with IPQxxxx chipset, MikroTik will reach 800 Mbit/s of TCP down or upload throughput in some years, as well as all other "home network" vendors achieve this throughput nowadays when a client with Intel AX200 and 2x2:2 MIMO @80MHz is connected to their IPQxxxx based access point. Hopefully we will be as lucky as you in this bright "bit late" future someday.
 
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:26 pm

802.11ax is already old news, as 802.11be will be here in a couple years bringing multi-gigabit speeds.
 
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Yes, we are talking about those guys who purchased access points and routers with a current IEEE 802.11ac Wave 2 IPQ40xx chipset only few years ago, but with 16MB of ROM and/or 128MB of RAM which currently will not receive that lucky new MikroTik "WifiWave2 " driver package with chipset´s binary firmware.
100% agree!
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:53 am

So those complaining that they will not get wifiwave2 because of their device not being capable of it in some way, should buy for example linksys velop which can be very pricey anyway.
They are just like MikroTik adding more features all the time- ON SUBSCRIPTION BASIS!
Like seriously, paying 4$ a month for new revolutionary feature for being able to do dns filtering- feature called child safety!!! Total rip off! And in general velop is complete shit unless you are total noob who just connects the device and uses defaults and if you wish to do anything else than change you wifi name, you need to pay subscription. But if above will not scare you away then regular connection drops surely will. You should try yourself, pure joy. I was battling with it for a year, by restarting it, as there was nothing available to change in settings at all.
I had two velops and I replaced them with single audience.
But this is linksys’ business model. They might be selling you hardware which is more capable than needed at the point of purchase- not charging you extra for this at the point of sale (just assumption, but they are pricy anyway), but rather charge you monthly later should you wish to use it.
How is that any better than MikroTik?

So basically sell your devices on eBay while it still has some value and buy different one. Like Linksys Velop :). Or MikroTik again.
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:59 pm

So those complaining that they will not get wifiwave2 because of their device not being capable of it in some way, should buy for example linksys velop which can be very pricey anyway.
They are just like MikroTik adding more features all the time- ON SUBSCRIPTION BASIS!
Like seriously, paying 4$ a month for new revolutionary feature for being able to do dns filtering- feature called child safety!!! Total rip off! And in general velop is complete shit unless you are total noob who just connects the device and uses defaults and if you wish to do anything else than change you wifi name, you need to pay subscription. But if above will not scare you away then regular connection drops surely will. You should try yourself, pure joy. I was battling with it for a year, by restarting it, as there was nothing available to change in settings at all.
I had two velops and I replaced them with single audience.
But this is linksys’ business model. They might be selling you hardware which is more capable than needed at the point of purchase- not charging you extra for this at the point of sale (just assumption, but they are pricy anyway), but rather charge you monthly later should you wish to use it.
How is that any better than MikroTik?

So basically sell your devices on eBay while it still has some value and buy different one. Like Linksys Velop :). Or MikroTik again.
Sorry nannou you dont know shit.
There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
In other words, while MT is perfecting WIFI5, that many have done for a number of years with no extra cost or requirement for services.
By the way as noted that perfection entails making obsolete all the capacs, hapac, hapac2s etc sold in the past and still being sold, because they wont be improved to meet a spec that was met by other vendors probably 5 if not more years ago.

There are many folks here that spends $1000s and $10,000s on equipment and to them its not a laughing matter.
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:05 pm

For those who are complaining about wifi6 etc, I would encourage you watch few REAL reviews (not sponsored) of some "relatively cheap" wifi 6 routers from big brands (including Ubiquiti) for same price range as MikroTik (~$150) and then run similar benchmarks using MikroTik Audience/RB4011 using wifiwave2 impl with wifi 5 and you will see that wifi 6 is not that big thing really and in fact Unifi 6 especially is doing poor job in my opinion (I would not use it, even if cheaper in fact). Also those who complain about MikroTik, I would encourage to read some other forums like Ubiquiti and you will see they are not really so good and many users are suffering really slow performance, for which they have not found the fix yet.

Regarding my tests, I am getting sustained 570Mbit (max 638Mbit recorded) with iperf3 on 2 chain MBP Pro with M1, sitting 2 rooms away from Audience- two walls away, doors shut!
Also tested running full load using iPhone and MBP pro simultaneously, which resulted in total transfer bandwidth of about ~560MBit, so no "capacity" issue for such a home user as I am. I have 7 devices on 5GHz network. Rest is 2.4Ghz (approx 25 devices) or wired (approx 10 devices).
To be clear I am not talking about phy speed, talking about real data transfers measured with iperf.

I know you will say wifi6 is about capacity now, but reality is that most of devices in "crowd" are on 2.4 bands (almost all IoT) while 5/6ghz are only devices like laptops and mobiles, which you have few at home and it is doubtful you are using them all the same time.
Also if anybody is real about gaming/work/movies/audio and using PCs/Xbox/SonyPS/TVs/Streamers they must be using wired connections (for example 10gb switches) and forget about using wifi/power plugs for it.
Simply wifi is for mobile and IoT devices.
Also to be clear, Audience/RB4011 are not commercial wifi devices, from my perspective they are home/very small office (<10 people). Although Audience has more chains than rb4011 so in theory can handle more clients but has less cpu power. Not my worry anyway as capacity is not my problem.
Anybody using office deployments, would probably look for something with more chains/capacity and surely not "cheap" wifi 6 routers.
For me, I do not need anything more than I have now, even having most mobile devices 6Ghz compatible.
Once they will start making 5/6GHz IoT, then it might be a problem indeed, but now and next year or so, no.
It will not happen soon really as higher frequencies has lower walls penetration potential therefore might not be suitable for home robots/appliances/cameras etc.
So absolutely no point for MikroTik to rush with wifi 6, might be better to deliver 6e and skip 6 as it is not worth from my perspective.

Also well done MikroTik on wifiwave2- comes bit late indeed when compared to other producers but it is awesome!

My config:
Audience with 7.1b4 firmware.
Using wifiwave2- wifi3 (QCA9984 chip) with 4 chains.
Channel width: 20/40/80+80.
I like your logic. I have the same hardware, but not yet working with the 7 series code.
Isn't the wifiwave2 still supported in v6.48.1 - stable release, or is v7 code adding that feature?
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:57 pm

There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
This hinges on Wave 2 features actually mattering. My case for a cAP ac is to provide about 500 mbps to a single line of sight device, but I'd have multiple cAPs for multiple devices, obviously spaced far enough to not interfere with each other. Wave 2 would just make it better with multiple devices per AP, which isn't the case with my setup.
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:40 pm

There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
This hinges on Wave 2 features actually mattering. My case for a cAP ac is to provide about 500 mbps to a single line of sight device, but I'd have multiple cAPs for multiple devices, obviously spaced far enough to not interfere with each other. Wave 2 would just make it better with multiple devices per AP, which isn't the case with my setup.
Hi Cablenut, I have on house member studying at medschool mostly virtually
a. capac - nothing but issues, especially streaming, not stable, off and on (no amount of troubleshooting made an iota of difference)
b. TPlink eap245, not a single burp even.

So for critical connectivity dont agree.
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:47 pm

Putting it in perspective, my current WiFi setup is a lone WD MyNet AC1300, the most no-name AP on the market. (Actually, I also have an Apple Airport Express, but that doesn't matter right now) WD actually discontinued all their network stuff back in 2014, so it hasn't seen any updates since 2013, back when draft-AC was the best option. If that can get me a solid 450mbps on a crowded non-DFS channel, I wonder what a cAP ac can do for me with a DFS channel.
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:37 pm

There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
This hinges on Wave 2 features actually mattering. My case for a cAP ac is to provide about 500 mbps to a single line of sight device, but I'd have multiple cAPs for multiple devices, obviously spaced far enough to not interfere with each other. Wave 2 would just make it better with multiple devices per AP, which isn't the case with my setup.
Hi Cablenut, I have on house member studying at medschool mostly virtually
a. capac - nothing but issues, especially streaming, not stable, off and on (no amount of troubleshooting made an iota of difference)
b. TPlink eap245, not a single burp even.

So for critical connectivity dont agree.
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EAP..suffer from .IPv6 vlan leakage. No fix for v1 (and AFIK) nor v3. My old 2.4 TP... leaked L2 from tagged to untagged LAN. Security suffers.
 
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:40 pm

Didnt know that, good thing, i only do IPv4.
And when I do go IPv6, I am convinced that will only be as far as my public IP and the rest of my internal lan will still be IPv4 based so not to worried.
If I am still alive when IPv6 gets jammed down our throats.
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:51 am

Sorry nannou you dont know shit.
There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
In other words, while MT is perfecting WIFI5, that many have done for a number of years with no extra cost or requirement for services.
By the way as noted that perfection entails making obsolete all the capacs, hapac, hapac2s etc sold in the past and still being sold, because they wont be improved to meet a spec that was met by other vendors probably 5 if not more years ago.

There are many folks here that spends $1000s and $10,000s on equipment and to them its not a laughing matter.
1st you should calm down mate
2nd go to apple website and you can buy many products which will never get any update as they are end of life already, but obviously nobody is telling this explicitly.
For example apple just like MikroTik, was selling in 2019 iPods touch which were running up to iOS 12, while already having public beta of iOS 13 which will not work with them- again just like MikroTik.
So I think you have some unrealistic expectations.
No single vendor will pull out all hardware from sale just because they started working on something new, incompatible.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:33 am

No single vendor will pull out all hardware from sale just because they started working on something new, incompatible.
I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:00 pm

And when I do go IPv6, I am convinced that will only be as far as my public IP and the rest of my internal lan will still be IPv4 based so not to worried.
That's not how IPv6 works.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:18 pm

So those complaining that they will not get wifiwave2 because of their device not being capable of it in some way, should buy for example linksys velop which can be very pricey anyway.
They are just like MikroTik adding more features all the time- ON SUBSCRIPTION BASIS!
Like seriously, paying 4$ a month for new revolutionary feature for being able to do dns filtering- feature called child safety!!! Total rip off! And in general velop is complete shit unless you are total noob who just connects the device and uses defaults and if you wish to do anything else than change you wifi name, you need to pay subscription. But if above will not scare you away then regular connection drops surely will. You should try yourself, pure joy. I was battling with it for a year, by restarting it, as there was nothing available to change in settings at all.
I had two velops and I replaced them with single audience.
But this is linksys’ business model. They might be selling you hardware which is more capable than needed at the point of purchase- not charging you extra for this at the point of sale (just assumption, but they are pricy anyway), but rather charge you monthly later should you wish to use it.
How is that any better than MikroTik?

So basically sell your devices on eBay while it still has some value and buy different one. Like Linksys Velop :). Or MikroTik again.
Well, how bout this post........................ sounds like the same sort of crap to me, buy product then pay more to get functionality!!!
Hello,
You will not be able to create a virtual wlan interface as it is supported with license lvl4, but the Disc lite 5 comes with lvl3. You will need to upgrade your license if you want to implement those features:
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:L ... nse_Levels
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:18 pm

No single vendor will pull out all hardware from sale just because they started working on something new, incompatible.
I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.
re: I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.\
Yea , and you can also find old analog-only TVs for for $20 USD.
-- Just because it's cheap and somebody else want's to get rid of it , does not mean it's desirable or even wanted in my house.
fyi - I've probably thrown out well over 300+ 802.11n-only devices in the last year.
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:21 am

I had to look at a commercial property in Georgetown Washington DC.

I figure with the way the building is built and their use requirements... We are looking at 17 access points. 2 of which need to serve an outdoor area along the main road in the heart of the city.

Standing out front of the building... 84 competing wifi networks came up in my scan. In 2.4.

I won't even consider trying to build this in Mikrotik wireless. So when we go to design Monday AM... I am not going to explain my self or wait 90 seconds on this... "12-15 thousand dollars. If that gives them sticker shock... Tell them we will not be bidding this. Routing switching wireless and electrical will be more that this... Labor doesn't factor in yet."
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:03 am

Thats a dilemma for sure.
WHere are the 60hz smartphones and pads from MT to go along with the wifi.
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:29 am

WHere are the 60hz smartphones
Well, talking about that... my friend was testing 5G at his place and came up with some ridiculous number over 600Mbit download... If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:52 pm

WHere are the 60hz smartphones
Well, talking about that... my friend was testing 5G at his place and came up with some ridiculous number over 600Mbit download... If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.
This will not happen anytime soon due to cost of contracts and modems. There will be still some relatively low cost low range iot devices.
I think 1st that will happen is that gsm networks will outperform home broadband at least on paper but then much grater congestion will cause some problems before market will shift more to wireless.
I would love to see this happening tbh as already I pay more for 500mbit broadband, while unlimited 5G contracts are for $20+.
But then I suppose broadband providers will drop prices/increase speeds.
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:08 pm

If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.
It does work if user only cares about internet and there's LOS between device and base station (forget about 600Mbps when in toilet or wine cellar). OTOH if one has home LAN with services reserved for LAN users, wifi will still be a viable option. But I guess WiFi7 AP might as well look like a 5G base station technology-wise.
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:32 pm

WHere are the 60hz smartphones
Well, talking about that... my friend was testing 5G at his place and came up with some ridiculous number over 600Mbit download... If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.
This will not happen anytime soon due to cost of contracts and modems. There will be still some relatively low cost low range iot devices.
I think 1st that will happen is that gsm networks will outperform home broadband, but not just on paper but then much grater congestion will cause some problems before market will shift more to wireless.
I would love to see this happening tbh as already I pay more for 500mbit broadband, while unlimited 5G contracts are for $20+.
But then I suppose broadband providers will drop prices/increase speeds.
 
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Re: WIFI 6 Roadmap

Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:21 pm

Also well done MikroTik on wifiwave2- comes bit late indeed when compared to other producers but it is awesome!
Wenn I get 500 MBit/s to 700 MBit/s of TCP download throughput when 50 to 60 clients are concurrently connected and downloading on one single MikroTik 802.11ax access point, I might call it good someday in the future:
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