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MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:57 pm

Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

• MikroTik YouTube channel update
• Wirless Wire Cube
• Cube 60G ac
• LHGG LTE6 kit
• Upgraded wAP ac!
• LtAP LR8 LTE kit
• New direct attach cables
• U-NII-2 support for products in US and Canada
• MikroTik at the 5G TECHRITORY forum – free admission!

Download the PDF: https://mt.lv/news98
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:26 pm

Looks like I bought my LHG LTE6 kit too early... 😝

I had hoped for something like the new wAP ac. But looks like it is missing a POE out or pass through option on the second ethernet port, no? I would like to mount it next to the LHG LTE6 and power that - with just one ethernet cable up to the mast.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:28 pm

Not really sure I consider the wAP AC an upgrade when it went from 3 chain to 2 chain :(. With more and more devices sharing the same frequency, having good MU-MIMO throughput becomes very important, this seems like a step backwards to me when the competition is selling 4x4 devices.

Re-using the name and model number when the hardware is so completely different is also not great. Now I have no idea if I order from a distributor if I get the old or new model, which is important if I want 3 chain 5 GHz, or want to run OpenWRT (the new model is likely unsupported for now). Why not wAP AC²?

EDIT: Actually it seems the model number is slightly different to indicate the reduced chains - RBwAPG-5HacT2HnD -> RBwAPG-5HacD2HnD
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:43 pm

Re-using the name and model number when the hardware is so completely different is also not great. Now I have no idea if I order from a distributor if I get the old or new model, which is important if I want 3 chain 5 GHz, or want to run OpenWRT (the new model is likely unsupported for now).
Exactly, just call it wAP AC2 or mark2 or something else please. I hate when companies do this. New hardware should always be released with a different model number.
As much as I want to like some improvements, there are some downsides as well and in some cases I will want to get older version instead of this one.

Also when will LHG LTE with LTE12 modem happen?
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:07 pm

Not really sure I consider the wAP AC an upgrade when it went from 3 chain to 2 chain :(. With more and more devices sharing the same frequency, having good MU-MIMO throughput becomes very important, this seems like a step backwards to me when the competition is selling 4x4 devices.

Re-using the name and model number when the hardware is so completely different is also not great. Now I have no idea if I order from a distributor if I get the old or new model, which is important if I want 3 chain 5 GHz, or want to run OpenWRT (the new model is likely unsupported for now). Why not wAP AC²?

EDIT: Actually it seems the model number is slightly different to indicate the reduced chains - RBwAPG-5HacT2HnD -> RBwAPG-5HacD2HnD

The new wAP AC has an improved CPU and wireless chip, and it comes with improved antennas as well, which even allow outperforming previous revisions. Not to mention improved heat dissipation which is always good.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:13 pm

I'm still skeptical, the CPU isn't a bottleneck on my current wAP AC (it's just an AP), and my signal strength is also great. Can two chains on a new chipset really outperform three chains on an older one? The Mikrotik wireless driver has traditionally had poor MU-MIMO / Wave2 support as well. I guess I will find out at some point when I inevitably have to get the new model!
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:40 pm

Regarding: "LHGG LTE6 kit" (RBLHGGR&R11e-LTE6) - Thank you for the 1Gbe interface! - Question: is it safe to presume the LTE-module is future proof ie replaceable with for example a 5G-module when available?

Link LHGG LTE6 kit (RBLHGGR&R11e-LTE6): https://mikrotik.com/product/lhgg_lte6_kit

PS..
I like "Diving deep into RouterOS”", more of that thank you!
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:45 pm

Regarding: "LHGG LTE6 kit" (RBLHGGR&R11e-LTE6) - Thank you for the 1Gbe interface! - Question: is it safe to presume the LTE-module is future proof ie replaceable with for example a 5G-module when available?

Link LHGG LTE6 kit (RBLHGGR&R11e-LTE6): https://mikrotik.com/product/lhgg_lte6_kit

(x-post: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=168627)

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I like "Diving deep into RouterOS”", more of that thank you!
Yes, it might be possible (with great care and appropriate tools) to change LHG LTE6 modem, but it should be same form factor.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:55 pm

Question: is it safe to presume the LTE-module is future proof ie replaceable with for example a 5G-module when available?
Yes, it might be possible (with great care and appropriate tools) to change LHG LTE6 modem, but it should be same form factor.

Great, standard mPCIe I guess? Btw, I take it for granted that MT eventually will offer a 5G module when implemented and tested in RoS...
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:13 pm

Future suggestions:
  • Please consider doing a m.2 adapter with correct heatsink - I would love to buy that adapter and put some other m.2 lte modems.
  • Please add B3+1 and B1+7 at R11e-LTE6
  • Please fix in next version that mounting the case cover, he like break and it's so hard to release
  • Please fix that SIM slot, LHGGR have the same slot as LHGR Release1 or you use that better from Release2 ?
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LHGGR still with the same Gain... means people with LTE at ~700/900Mhz must move to 180° unit to have better signal, few person check that and this works :)

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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:38 pm

The new wAP AC has an improved CPU and wireless chip, and it comes with improved antennas as well, which even allow outperforming previous revisions.
Can you, please, explain, how this can happen, while the new wAP AC is much worse than old in Transmit (17 vs 23 dBm in 5 GHz) and Receive Sensitivity (-70 vs -73 in 5 GHz) and with 2 wireless antennas instead of 3? Do you have benchmark results?
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:56 pm

Yay for 60GHz/5GHz devices!

What is the fail-over mechanism between the 60 and 5GHz radios?

Is there a US/INTL version split like the other 5GHz devices?

I'd really like to see some internal pics if anyone can find them.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:10 pm


• LHGG LTE6 kit
Finally a high gain LTE and Gigabit device!!!

The best news for me of this year.

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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:18 pm

Future suggestions:
  • Please consider doing a m.2 adapter with correct heatsink - I would love to buy that adapter and put some other m.2 lte modems.
  • Please add B3+1 and B1+7 at R11e-LTE6
  • Please fix in next version that mounting the case cover, he like break and it's so hard to release
  • Please fix that SIM slot, LHGGR have the same slot as LHGR Release1 or you use that better from Release2 ?
Concur to all points. But regarding R11e-LTE6 with B3+1/B1+7 a) I was under the impression it already supported INTER-band for FDD? b) Is it i firmware option from the manufacturer? c) Does R11e-LTE6 CA on TDD as well?

"LHGGR still with the same Gain... means people with LTE at ~700/900Mhz must move to 180° unit to have better signal, few person check that and this works :)"
Well, been there but not with full 180° rotation ;) We have a customer installation of a LHG LTE6 on an remote island apros 8-9km with LoS over the water to the basstation. Band 20 (800 Mhz) gives about 30-50 Mbit/s depending on weather conditions.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:42 pm

Yay for 60GHz/5GHz devices!
I like it too! But, as expected, not a LHG-style device. It is likely too difficult to have a 60GHz/5GHz combined dish feed.
Pity, because the dish antenna has more gain and thus more link margin.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:00 pm

Are Mikrotik planning to launch products in the 5G backbone/backhaul segment? Or it's just end-user/consumer?
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:37 pm

It is likely too difficult to have a 60GHz/5GHz combined dish feed.

Quite likely that dish, decently made for 5GHz, would have 12 times narrower beam width at 60GHz. If beam width @5GHz was, say, 5 degrees, then with 60GHz it would be 0.4 degrees. Impossible to direct it optimally and too sensitive to any vibrations (such as wind gusts). If dish was fine @60GHz, then it would suck @5GHz.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:35 pm

Quite likely that dish, decently made for 5GHz, would have 12 times narrower beam width at 60GHz. If beam width @5GHz was, say, 5 degrees, then with 60GHz it would be 0.4 degrees. Impossible to direct it optimally and too sensitive to any vibrations (such as wind gusts). If dish was fine @60GHz, then it would suck @5GHz.
Yes but that problem was already solved in the Wireless Wire Dish. It has automatic pointing using a steerable beam feeder.
However, it seems to be impossible to combine the Wireless Wire Dish with the LHG5ac in a single device (using a shared dish). Ubiquiti also wasn't able to do it.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:43 pm

However, it seems to be impossible to combine the Wireless Wire Dish with the LHG5ac in a single device (using a shared dish).

Exactly. The 60GHz active antenna has no place in 5GHz dish's focal point (it only obstructs the 5GHz EMF) and the dish means nothing to 60GHz active antenna. So the 60GHz antenna arrray should be placed adjacent to the 5GHz dish ... and both could well be in separate cases. Using same physical case would have added value in easier setup of direction. The best MT would do is to have some kind of configuration wizard which would set up things to use both radios/devices in active/backup setup. However, configuration wizards (specially so on pro class of equipment) are so not Mikrotik, are they?
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:48 am

It is excellent when putting examples of uses of MikroTik products.

LtAP LR8 LTE kit It was much better for me to explain where to apply this MikroTik product with the example of the farm.

Cube 60G ac I really liked the example of using Cubes.

Congratulations to the team
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:38 am

The LHGG LTE6 kit is rather disappointing. It looks like the same dish/package reused -- zero improvements to antenna gain.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:00 am

Well, if you are unhappy with apros 20 dbi you can always utilize whatever size of a dish using the standard "LNB" sized LDF LTE6: https://mikrotik.com/product/ldf_lte6_kit

PS...
IMHO, it's a sane production decision to reuse the antennas whenever possible as new designs are always expensive to implement from RND all the way to full production.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:12 pm

LHGGR still with the same Gain... means people with LTE at ~700/900Mhz ‘must move to 180°‘ unit to have better signal, few person check that and this works :)
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Hi SiB,
What did you mean exactly by this comment, ‘must move to 180°‘, please?
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:13 pm

new wAP ac? -> Well, it looks like you took the board layout from the cAP ac with an IPQ40xx chipset and 128 MB of RAM and put it into an modified wAP ac case.

wAP ac 1. generation has 3x3:3 MIMO support, i.e. AC1750
(upgraded) wAP ac 2. generation has 2x2:2 MIMO support, i.e. AC1200

So, as it can be seen you take the IPQ4018/IPQ4019 chipset and put it everywhere. Can you please add MU-MIMO software support, aswell? This chipset supports it, aswell.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:43 pm

LORA great for all 8 people using it.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:03 pm

What did you mean exactly by this comment, ‘must move to 180°‘, please?
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Gain below 0 (ZERO) is for Bands base differ then 800Mhz who only is good for that LHG(G)R.
Some users (few person) report me that for his 700Mhz (like France/USA) he have better signal when he set direction antenna back to BTS :D of course when he have activated only one band at that frequency
 
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Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:39 am

new wAP ac? -> Well, it looks like you took the board layout from the cAP ac with an IPQ40xx chipset and 128 MB of RAM and put it into an modified wAP ac case.

wAP ac 1. generation has 3x3:3 MIMO support, i.e. AC1750
(upgraded) wAP ac 2. generation has 2x2:2 MIMO support, i.e. AC1200

So, as it can be seen you take the IPQ4018/IPQ4019 chipset and put it everywhere. Can you please add MU-MIMO software support, aswell? This chipset supports it, aswell.
Next Arm device with half done Wireless Driver...
And we loose the last realy working Mikrotik Wireless AP
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:07 am

Gain below 0 (ZERO) is for Bands base differ then 800Mhz who only is good for that LHG(G)R.
Some users (few person) report me that for his 700Mhz (like France/USA) he have better signal when he set direction antenna back to BTS :D of course when he have activated only one band at that frequency
OK, understood thank you SiB. I have an LHG operating on Bands 20, 800MHz & 3, 1.8GHz at 1.5km from the tower. I do plan to do some tests with a separate Band 20 diversity antenna to see if I can improve performance above the ~5dB and will update this thread when complete.
Rgds, Steve
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:16 am

stevenma
and will update this thread when complete.
Please create a new one, this is not for your problems but for comment the Newsletter, be ok with netiquette of forum.
I track all thread's about LTE in title, body and if some one put SiB in any post... call me.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

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Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

• New direct attach cables
Sergejs do you know that direct attach cables is not usable in CCR2004 due to the packet loss problem caused by hw port extender?
 
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Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:09 am

Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

• New direct attach cables
Sergejs do you know that direct attach cables is not usable in CCR2004 due to the packet loss problem caused by hw port extender?
We will need more information about your issue. It will be great you can contact support team (support@mikrotik.com) with as much details as possible.
As per our tests and available information, direct attach cable are working good and has nothing to do with packet loss.
 
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Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

• New direct attach cables
Sergejs do you know that direct attach cables is not usable in CCR2004 due to the packet loss problem caused by hw port extender?
We will need more information about your issue. It will be great you can contact support team (support@mikrotik.com) with as much details as possible.
As per our tests and available information, direct attach cable are working good and has nothing to do with packet loss.
Already did it TT [SUP-30387] 4 weeks ago, the problem occurs when you mix different port speeds on CCR2004 in my case 10 giga with giga ....
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:07 am

Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

• New direct attach cables
Sergejs do you know that direct attach cables is not usable in CCR2004 due to the packet loss problem caused by hw port extender?
We will need more information about your issue. It will be great you can contact support team (support@mikrotik.com) with as much details as possible.
As per our tests and available information, direct attach cable are working good and has nothing to do with packet loss.
Already did it TT [SUP-30387] 4 weeks ago, the problem occurs when you mix different port speeds on CCR2004 in my case 10 giga with giga ....
We are performing different testing procedures and improving some procedures already, regarding your report about CCR2004. On our opinion issue is not related to the direct attach cables. You will be updated on the ticket, once there are bullet proof results and possible suggestions.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:34 am

I am wondering if Mikrotik has some plans to design a router of home office using a stand option like the Asus AC68U in order to save some area space and have finally 3/4 chains with external antennas? The AC3 is a good approach now with 128Mb flash but difficult to use it in the upright position with external antennas so a design like the asus would be great in this case.
Also the gigabit internet connections are becoming more often to our houses so a router to sustain 1G routing performance with 50-100 rules would be great.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:41 am

Cube 60G ac, well, ok. We asked for Cube 60 with gigabit port, thanks, but we won't asked for 5Ghz backup and double the price point.
5ghz backup is useless because:
* Cube 60G ac is licence leve 3, so we cant use it as access point
* RBwAPG-60ad-A and RBwAPG-60ad-SA doesn't have 5ghz radio
* we use other brand for 5ghz, and if we want we would make our own 5ghz backup implementation.

will be cube 60G without ac ?
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:31 pm

5ghz backup is useless because:
When the first 60G devices were introduced there were a lot of folks asking for a combined devices with 5G backup. Now that the first such device is introduced there are other guys saying the opposite...
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:40 pm

5ghz backup is useless because:
When the first 60G devices were introduced there were a lot of folks asking for a combined devices with 5G backup. Now that the first such device is introduced there are other guys saying the opposite...
I think it is worthwile to have a 60 GHz device with 5 GHz backup, but I would prefer a slightly more high-gain device so it could be used at a longer distance.
And of course, there always are people who do not like the devices made available, no matter what they are.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:11 pm

But it's a valid point to have Cube with 1GbE and no 5GHz backup, because not every time you need it. Sure, it's nice to have backup but in the end price is also important and currently we have:
Cube Lite60 $69
Cube 60G ac $124.00
That's quite a price increase if all you need is Gigabit port. Cube 60G with just that for something like $89 would be much better.
Unlike version with added 5GHz, extra cost going from 100Mbit to GigE in BOM is <$5 so $20 premium would already be quite generous... and perfectly fine if it's L3 again.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:43 pm

When can we expect to see the new wAP AC at distributors? Thinking of getting one for performance testing. Hopefully they don't co-mingle their stock!
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:45 pm

Am I mistaken when I think that the "new wAP ac" is actually the "wAP ac LTE kit" without the LTE module?

The CPU is the same like in hAP ac², so if you have experience with that one, the performance should not differ much.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:35 pm

Am I mistaken when I think that the "new wAP ac" is actually the "wAP ac LTE kit" without the LTE module?
The new WAP ac CPU seems same as in "WAP R ac" (IPQ4018). Not the wap ac LTE Kit (QCA9531).
And as well you say same as in hap ac2 (but maybe different RAM size?).
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:42 pm

The new WAP ac CPU seems same as in "WAP R ac" (IPQ4018). Not the wap ac LTE Kit (QCA9531).
So the mess in model names is even bigger, because a wAP ac LTE kit purchased somewhere before September already came with IPQ4018 and two Ethernet ports, whereas wAP ac without "kit" and without "R" offered at that time was built around a mipsbe chip. I have actually never noticed the existence of wAP ac LTE kit with QCA9531.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:28 pm

Not the wap ac LTE Kit (QCA9531).
Can't find any info on that one.
As I remember wAP ac LTE Kit was IPQ4018 from the start.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:44 am

5ghz backup is useless because:
When the first 60G devices were introduced there were a lot of folks asking for a combined devices with 5G backup. Now that the first such device is introduced there are other guys saying the opposite...
I think it is worthwile to have a 60 GHz device with 5 GHz backup, but I would prefer a slightly more high-gain device so it could be used at a longer distance.
And of course, there always are people who do not like the devices made available, no matter what they are.
I like the device, but not price premium for that 5Ghz backup. lets count: Cube 60 is 69$, Cube 60 ac ir 124, Cube with gigabit would be around 84$, so 5ghz backup adds 40$. When 5ghz backup needed 1 case from 10 I would buy a SXTsq 5 ac for 5ghz backup, but now I have to pay + 360$ for nothing.
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:04 pm

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• MikroTik YouTube channel update
• Wirless Wire Cube
• Cube 60G ac
• LHGG LTE6 kit
• Upgraded wAP ac!
• LtAP LR8 LTE kit
• New direct attach cables
• U-NII-2 support for products in US and Canada
• MikroTik at the 5G TECHRITORY forum – free admission!

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Hello dear,

i hope everything is good for you. I'm newer in mikrotik i want to update ROS of my router what kind of RouterOS (Long-term, Stable, testing or Development)
i must used.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:11 pm

I'm newer in mikrotik i want to update ROS of my router what kind of RouterOS (Long-term, Stable, testing or Development) i must used.
Hello stollerxd, this thread is only regarding the newsletter. A better place to ask this question is in the forum "Beginner Basics". //Best regards, Lars.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:41 pm

Future suggestions:
  • Please consider doing a m.2 adapter with correct heatsink - I would love to buy that adapter and put some other m.2 lte modems.
  • Please add B3+1 and B1+7 at R11e-LTE6
I want same, please add this options.
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Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:59 pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the new wAP AC now identical to the cAP AC? Except cAP AC has PoE out on the 2nd port and is $20 cheaper. Are we really paying +$20 for a different case?
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:42 am

Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

• New direct attach cables
Sergejs do you know that direct attach cables is not usable in CCR2004 due to the packet loss problem caused by hw port extender?
We will need more information about your issue. It will be great you can contact support team (support@mikrotik.com) with as much details as possible.
As per our tests and available information, direct attach cable are working good and has nothing to do with packet loss.
Already did it TT [SUP-30387] 4 weeks ago, the problem occurs when you mix different port speeds on CCR2004 in my case 10 giga with giga ....
We are performing different testing procedures and improving some procedures already, regarding your report about CCR2004. On our opinion issue is not related to the direct attach cables. You will be updated on the ticket, once there are bullet proof results and possible suggestions.
Sergejs long tests... there are a lot of users with same problem around and after 2 months no answer from mikrotik :-(

At this point I have to suppose that is è hw problem without solutions. CCR2004 is an expensive paperweight
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:13 pm

Please stop quoting the quoted post.

There is a big POST REPLY button blow the post. Use it reply.
If you need to quote, select only the part of the post needed to understand what your reply to.
 
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:12 pm

If you need to quote, select only the part of the post needed to understand what your reply to.
One thing that I really miss here is nested posts, just like newsgroups and email. This linear thing is awful sometimes...
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:44 am

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the new wAP AC now identical to the cAP AC? Except cAP AC has PoE out on the 2nd port and is $20 cheaper. Are we really paying +$20 for a different case?
I hope MikroTik can give real answer to this on the 'improvements' Perhaps they're all moving to ARM chipset to streamline their hardware support for the drop of routerOS v7..... perhaps we will see ALL the wireless driver performance there?!

I would like to see the antenna design pictures to show original wAP AC gen1 and wAP AC gen2.

I have quite alot of wAP AC's out in field.... really want to know difference. New one is downgraded to AC1200 2x2, gen1 was AC1750 3x3.

Perhaps MikroTik actually show us inside the wAP or we purchase and we compare ourselves.

Not happy if we pay $20 more for case [outdoor], when same product as the existing cAP AC model

When I emailed mikrotik to ask about it:

"The main improvements are it has a more powerful ARM CPU with higher gain antennas and now the device has 2 Gigabit Ethernet ports. The device should work better do to that the same EIRP can be achieved with better antennas and with less Tx power used."
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:57 pm

Disclaimer: I don't have neither of wAP ac models ...

New one is downgraded to AC1200 2x2, gen1 was AC1750 3x3.

Did anybody see persistent and repeatable almost 1Gbps performance from gen1 wAP ac on 5GHz wireless?

When playing with my 2x2 RB951G, wireless hit CPU quite hard, specially for Tx (from AP to client). It's not a huge problem on RB951G since it's only able of doing 2x2 and 40MHz (cumulative) channel width, but I expect that wAP ac with similar CPU (20% higher clock rate though) could hit the wall before actually running at theoretical maximum speed of 3x3 80MHz radio interface ... Not to mention it's got 2.4GHz radio to run as well.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:23 pm

any word about GPON or EPON?
 
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:36 pm

What is MikroTik hardware answer to this https://eu.store.ui.com/collections/ope ... iber-60-lr
12 km Distances !!!
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:30 am

any word about GPON or EPON?
Re GPON ...
I tried the Mikrotik SFP GPON modules a few years ago in the Winter ( about a dozen GPON modules installed in outdoor Nema enclosures ).
All of them died and went tu ( bricked ) on the first warm summer day.
I have only one left that still works and it was installed setting next to the air-conditioner in my server room.

:(
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:06 pm

You could consider Class C+ gpon from FS. It has a temperature range of -40 to 85 Celcius, normal is 0 to 70 Celcius.

https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/64168.html
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:11 pm

All but trivial SFP modules often get uncomfortably hot. The package is too small to dissipate 5-10W of power. It helps when they are mounted in a fan-cooled device.
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:57 pm

All but trivial SFP modules often get uncomfortably hot. The package is too small to dissipate 5-10W of power. It helps when they are mounted in a fan-cooled device.
Re: It helps when they are mounted in a fan-cooled device
-- What about the thousands/millions of existing GPON customers with outdoor Nema enclosures which don't have fans ?
IMO - any device that puts out excessive heat is an electrically inefficient device that is just wasting energy in the form of heat.
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:02 pm

You could consider Class C+ gpon from FS. It has a temperature range of -40 to 85 Celcius, normal is 0 to 70 Celcius.

https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/64168.html
msatter
Thanks for the post.
Have you tested this product ?
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:16 pm

Re: It helps when they are mounted in a fan-cooled device
-- What about the thousands/millions of existing GPON customers with outdoor Nema enclosures which don't have fans ?
I don't know if these use SFP. I was talking about SFP.
IMO - any device that puts out excessive heat is an electrically inefficient device that is just wasting energy in the form of heat.
It often depends on technical innovation how much power is dissipated in a certain functional module. 40 years ago computers used tens of kilowatts, now a few watts.
I have an SFP that contains a VDSL modem, it runs uncomfortably hot. And I have heard the same about SFPs for RJ45 copper ethernet conversion.
The device is small and it is inserted into a slot in the case. Even a little power dissipation can raise the temperature a lot.
 
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Re: It helps when they are mounted in a fan-cooled device
-- What about the thousands/millions of existing GPON customers with outdoor Nema enclosures which don't have fans ?
I don't know if these use SFP. I was talking about SFP.
IMO - any device that puts out excessive heat is an electrically inefficient device that is just wasting energy in the form of heat.
It often depends on technical innovation how much power is dissipated in a certain functional module. 40 years ago computers used tens of kilowatts, now a few watts.
I have an SFP that contains a VDSL modem, it runs uncomfortably hot. And I have heard the same about SFPs for RJ45 copper ethernet conversion.
The device is small and it is inserted into a slot in the case. Even a little power dissipation can raise the temperature a lot.
re: It often depends on technical innovation how much power is dissipated in a certain functional module. 40 years ago computers used tens of kilowatts, now a few watts.
Yup - I was an electronics repair technician 40+ years ago working on computer devices back then. The power supplies were always bigger and heaver than the actual electronic devices/boards that was being powered.
I don't miss those old linier power supplies - and with more efficient switching power supplies and low-voltage devices , things are actually starting to get half-way energy efficient.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:34 pm

You could consider Class C+ gpon from FS. It has a temperature range of -40 to 85 Celcius, normal is 0 to 70 Celcius.

https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/64168.html
msatter
Thanks for the post.
Have you tested this product ?
No, but you can ask them for for a sample.

https://www.fs.com/sample_application.html
 
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Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:11 pm

You could consider Class C+ gpon from FS. It has a temperature range of -40 to 85 Celcius, normal is 0 to 70 Celcius.

https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/64168.html
msatter
Thanks for the post.
Have you tested this product ?
No, but you can ask them for for a sample.

https://www.fs.com/sample_application.html
msatter - wow !!!! Thank you for this post.
I can't find the product ID for this GPON module , do you know what the product number is ?

Never mind ... It took me a few tries to figure out their web page.
 
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Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:43 am

This seems to be some off topic for "MikroTik newsletter November 2020 " create a new thread.
 
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Re: MikroTik newsletter November 2020 (#98)

Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:59 pm

Hello,
before buying the LHGG LTE6 kit I would need a detail that is very important to me.
in the settings is it possible to block the daily data consumption?
example. I have a hundred gigs per month sim, I would like to set the daily consumption to 3 gigs, at the end of 3 gigs the connection must disconnect and reactivate the next day.
Can I enter this in the settings?
Thank you

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