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MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:55 am

http://www.irouteros.com/?p=1808
Will there be a +WiFi Version of this?
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:08 am

This one is a prime candidate for 4+ anennae WiFi version. Ugly as a sin, but it seems that's the way gameboys like it.

On the serious note: if it had wireless, then the argumentation about particular form factor is not valid anymore. So if it came as wireless version, it would likely come in larger enclosure.
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:58 am

Shut up and take my money!

It looks like the switch chip supports L3 switching/routing:)
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Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:49 am

They are moving in the right direction.
Although I would prefer ethernet ports in 2x4 block and an enclosure similar to CRS112/CSS610.
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:29 pm

I guess that enclosure as it is is to offer enough cooling surface ... for device being passively cooled and intended to be mounted in a dense pack (two one above another, two side-by-side) it needs some smartly designed enclosure.

But if there was a RB5018UG+S+RM ... I'd be in the line for one already ;-)
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:22 pm

I guess that enclosure as it is is to offer enough cooling surface ...
Sure, but there can be other cooling solutions - for example like on CCR1009 PC version.
But if there was a RB5018UG+S+RM ... I'd be in the line for one already ;-)
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Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:01 pm

But if there was a RB5018UG+S+RM ... I'd be in the line for one already ;-)
Actually, google for CCR2004-16G-2S+

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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:02 pm

But if there was a RB5018UG+S+RM ... I'd be in the line for one already ;-)

A passively cooled CCR2004 with 16x 1Gbit and 2x SFP+ is coming.
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Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:26 pm

But if there was a RB5018UG+S+RM ... I'd be in the line for one already ;-)

A passively cooled CCR2004 with 16x 1Gbit and 2x SFP+ is coming.
Not really the same. Specifications of RB5009 include a very fine switch chip (Marvell 88E6393), while CCR doesn't have one (PIPE is not switch chip, it's a dumb port extender, CPU does all the data shoveling). So it's rather RB4011 on steroids.
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:27 pm

But if there was a RB5018UG+S+RM ... I'd be in the line for one already ;-)

A passively cooled CCR2004 with 16x 1Gbit and 2x SFP+ is coming.
Not really the same. Specifications of RB5009 include a very fine switch chip (Marvell 88E6393), while CCR doesn't have one (PIPE is not switch chip, it's a dumb port extender, CPU does all the data shoveling). So it's rather RB4011 on steroids.
The new CCR2004 with 1G ports has two of the same series switch chip that is in the RB5009 ;)

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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:50 pm

Yes, I was surprised that the following video from the Mikrotik channel popped up on my feed, without me having heard about it here first!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5kBvwGqGws

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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:13 pm

I'm super excited to see more of the Marvell family of chips.

This could be a great tower or last mile router for a compact enclosure or to build HA in a small footprint. I'm very excited about this one. :)
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:21 pm

And a DC terminal block! Wow! Very wise to go ahead with Marvell swtich-chips instead.

No.. no wireless in the same box please. Use suitable access-points instead if wireless is needed.
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:23 pm

I just hope that there is a version with 2 * SFP+ ports in the "series" (three would be even better)... the underlying chipset supports it...

https://www.marvell.com/content/dam/mar ... 019-01.pdf

It would seem to be a waste of all that routing power if it were just on a stick....

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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:26 pm

Looks like the Marvell CPU used in the RB5009 is a Cortex A72, but now I need to compare this to the one in the CCR2004. Does anyone know what processor the 2004 uses?
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Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:08 pm

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Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:29 pm

The video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmt33XMLTqI) says that it'll be the cheapest CCR, and that the passive cooling version is coming soon and it'll be 15% slower and have external power supplies.
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:07 pm

I hope the wireless version will be compatible with wifiwave2 as this is a perfect candidate for home deployments.

Well, till then...
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Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:18 pm

Well, till then...
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Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:44 pm

Does anyone know what processor the 2004 uses?
Annapurna Labs AL32400: 4x1.7Ghz Cortex A57.
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

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Annapurna Labs AL32400: 4x1.7Ghz Cortex A57.
Looks like the A72 is actually faster than the A57, so that's bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Corte ... prov=sfla1 What's also sad is that it's also used in the Raspberry Pi, so that's also poor value because the Pi can be had for $35.
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:12 am

Looks like the A72 is actually faster than the A57, so that's bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Corte ... prov=sfla1
A72 in RB5009 is clocked at 1.4Ghz, while A57 in CCR2004 runs at 1.7Ghz.
And I don't know how, but according to PDFs CCR is still far more powerful.
What's also sad is that it's also used in the Raspberry Pi, so that's also poor value because the Pi can be had for $35.
When you add enclosure, PSU, storage, RPi won't be 35$.
And there still will be too much missing for it to be a decent router.
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:47 am

Also the cpu on a Pi doesn't have 10/25g interfaces or the insanely fast crypto engine.
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Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:12 am

And the Pi as only one network interface. It can't even compete with a hEX.

CCR2004-16G-2S+ looks awesome as well.
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:54 pm

Will there be a +WiFi Version of this?
I guess that looks like an answer to the initial question:
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:38 pm

Or a footprint for a LTE/5G module possible. The four packages to the left looks like something related to PoE-model maybe.

I agree that two SFP slots would be more useful for some scenarios, instead of the 2.5GbE.
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Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:50 pm

That mystery pad could also be the NAND as they pointed it out in the video and it was on the other side.
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:06 am

I agree that two SFP slots would be more useful for some scenarios, instead of the 2.5GbE.
They can easily add an additional SFP+ with the Marvell 88F8125.

This would obviously cost a bit more and require a larger footprint.
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:14 am

They can easily add an additional SFP+ with the Marvell 88F8125.

This would obviously cost a bit more and require a larger footprint.
Adding a second 10G interface will cannibalise the sales of CCR2004, so I believe "single 10G port for non-CCR routers" policy is intentional.
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:21 am

Will there be a +WiFi Version of this?
I guess that looks like an answer to the initial question:

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I hope this time they learned to not release WiFi product with a half-baked wifi :D Nothing against 4011 but at the beginning the radio situation was ridiculous and we had to pull many of them from the field. RB5009 with WiFi sounds like a perfect pro-summer product for gig connections.
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:50 am

Probably having a second 10G SFP+ interface would make the unit too wide in order to be able to put two side by side in a rack, like it is designed. They would have to remove one of the copper ports, which means you would be using only 7 ports on an 8 port switch chip. It is understandable in this situation that they decided upon only 1 SFP+ interface. Alternatively, they could remove the USB port to make room for another interface, but I don't think that would be a good solution either.
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:54 pm

Oh and btw have you seen the PDF?
https://mt.lv/RB5009UG_S_IN
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:41 pm

The routing performance increase compared to RB4011, as indicated in RB5009 propaganda, is not true. E.g. number under "Routing -> 25 ip filter rules -> 512 byte packets" shown in RB5009 propaganda is 624.3 kpps / 2557.1 Mbps. Official RB4011iGS+RM test results have in same "table cell" teh following numbers: 625.2 kpps / 2560.8 Mbps. Calculation shows, that RB5009 is 0.14% slower than RB4011 while RB5009 propaganda states 69% performance increase.

Switching is faster on RB5009 than on RB4011 (that shouldn't surprise anyone knowing the cheap RTL8367 used in RB4011), but not exactly 63% stated by RB5009 propaganda.

Is it comparing apples to water mellons, but MT failed to state this fact? Or is it that basic calculus in Latvia is different than in my part of Universe?
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:53 pm

The routing performance increase compared to RB4011, as indicated in RB5009 propaganda, is not true.
That is just marketing, nothing personal :)
But probably it's old 4011 numbers that were always untrue, not the new 5009 ones.
Which still is... unethical at the very least.
 
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:57 pm

Perhaps they just made a mistake in preparing the document. Remember: It's still pretty early stage. Mistakes happen - in the more northern parts of Europe as much as in the more southern ones. ;)
 
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:54 pm

This looks great.If it had 2x SFP+'s I'd be all over it as we backhaul via OSPF to redundant distro or core layers in general.

And please Mikrotik please please please more 1/2 width 1U rackable devices.It saves us big dollars and space in our racks.
Hope to see the 1/2 width stuff become standard for devices than can be shrunk.
 
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:56 pm

As an aside for a tower router/bridge.Hopefully the SFP+ port doesn't need to be hard set to 1Gbps mode when dealing with slower handoffs.
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Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:49 pm

It looks good, but that single 2.5G port is a bit weird.... would exchange it for 2nd SFP+ any time... even if it meant reducing number of wired ports even further.
Some space for additional port on the panel could be found by reducing reset button to just pinhole and making USB port vertical. I think that would be just enough space to fit another port.
 
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Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:24 am

The 2.5G port works well for me. Recently, the ISP here in the states, Comcast, upgraded the bandwidth to about 1500Mbps and the modem from Comcast also comes with 2.5G port. With 5009, I can use this 2.5G port to connect to the modem and the sfp+ to my CRS switch. It is perfect !
 
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Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:01 am

But probably it's old 4011 numbers that were always untrue, not the new 5009 ones.
I suspect that the 5009 results could actually be underestimated. Assuming those switch chips are capable of not only bridge VLAN filtering, but layer 3 hardware offloading like CRS3xx model switches, it could be possible to leverage that hardware offloading for routing on the 5009, resulting in significantly improved performance over the 4011. And, if you do go above the connection limit, the 5009 has a much faster CPU than the CRS3xx line does.
 
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Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:13 am

I suspect that the 5009 results could actually be underestimated.
That is not really a question here - the question is why 4011 "test results" in the video are not anywhere near what the official 4011 product page/brochure always stated.
 
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Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:32 pm

It's a good question, I've planned to replace my home RB450Gx4 with 4011, now I will wait for 5009. Anyway, for home/test router both 4011 and 5009 propably will be enough.

Also, test results for RB4011 in video has diffrent values compared to test on their page.

And in video RB5009 is compared to RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN, not to RB4011iGS+RM.
 
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Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:36 pm

And in video RB5009 is compared to RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN, not to RB4011iGS+RM.

Test results, as published on respective product pages, are almost the same for both variants of RB4011. Which shouldn't be a surprise as they differ only that wireless version has two radios added, the rest of hardware is the same.

When I initially wrote post about the discrepancy, I was actually looking at RB5009 propaganda document, link was provided by @honza nad @neogoth. That document only refers to RB4011 routing performance via the relative numbers (indicating how much faster RB5009 would be). But then I visited official product page of RB4011 and compared those (raw) numbers to ones from propaganda leaflet. But then I guess the big "speed up" numbers are only preparing ground for a "ground-breaking price" ... because from raw performance numbers there isn't much of a difference between RB4011 and RB5009 ... and including single 2.5Gbps RJ45 port probably doesn't warrant a notable price increase. I just hope marketing people in MT won't skew the reality too much ;-)

IMO RB5009 is quite better choice for a home router because it can act as a decent switch between wired ports (unlike RB4011) ... as long as one doesn't need more than 8 LAN ports (assuming SFP+ port is used for WAN).
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Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:03 pm

If you just compare the RB4011 and RB5009 based on CPU alone, the A72 is light-years ahead of the A15, so it's strange this isn't reflected in the performance data.
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Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:58 am

To clear up any confusion about different performance data I would like to point that RB5009 is RouterOS v7 only board.
With that in mind it was in our best interest to give both devices a fair comparison, therefore both units were tested with the same RouterOS v7 version (in this case RouterOS v7.1beta6 (build Apr 01, 2021)), same configurations, test settings and workload.
Due to the fact that RouterOS v7 is still in development and changes happen often, performance comparing to RouterOS v6 can differ.
Here are both performance tables used for RB5009 marketing materials:
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Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:51 am

That is not really a question here - the question is why 4011 "test results" in the video are not anywhere near what the official 4011 product page/brochure always stated.
I guess the product page results were obtained with RouterOS 6 while the results from the video reflect RouterOS 7 performance.

Edit: Should have reloaded my browser tab before posting...
 
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Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:16 pm

Ок, it is more clear now.
Except why is 4011 performs so badly in ROS7 compared to ROS6.
But at least that gives us some hope that in the release version of ROS7 both boards will perform actually better than these numbers.
 
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Ок, it is more clear now.
Except why is 4011 performs so badly in ROS7 compared to ROS6.
But at least that gives us some hope that in the release version of ROS7 both boards will perform actually better than these numbers.
I am just guessing, but I would say it is due to FastPath modules not being optimized in RouterOS v7 yet.
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I am just guessing, but I would say it is due to FastPath modules not being optimized in RouterOS v7 yet.
That's interesting, as ROS v7 is currently more optimized then v6 for routing processes like SPF and BGP downloading.
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I am just guessing, but I would say it is due to FastPath modules not being optimized in RouterOS v7 yet.
That's interesting, as ROS v7 is currently more optimized then v6 for routing processes like SPF and BGP downloading.

Routing is NOT Forwarding.

The routing engine process(s) communicate routing information with external routers, they do not perform any packet forwarding. The packet forwarding is done by the Kernel, by Hardware (on CRS3xx) or via userspace forwarding accelerators (FastPath).

FastPath requires specific hooks in the NIC drivers as well as a number of other optimizations. Previous technique may not work with a more modern kernel, or their may be newer more efficient ways to perform FastPath on the 5.x kernel that Mikrotik are not fully utilizing yet.
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FastPath requires specific hooks in the NIC drivers as well as a number of other optimizations. Previous technique may not work with a more modern kernel, or their may be newer more efficient ways to perform FastPath on the 5.x kernel that Mikrotik are not fully utilizing yet.
Assuming they don't improve it further, would that mean it's a false economy to get the RB5009 if the RB4011 is just as fast if you use v6?
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Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:59 pm

Assuming they don't improve it further, would that mean it's a false economy to get the RB5009 if the RB4011 is just as fast if you use v6?
If you watched the video introduction, there they said RB5009 will NOT be compatible with v6.
 
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If you watched the video introduction, there they said RB5009 will NOT be compatible with v6.
I already knew this. If we have a RB4011 with v6 and a RB5009 with v7, then both have about the same routing speed. What would be nice is if we could get the RB5009 with v6, but we can't. Assuming this setup, it would be a false economy to get the RB5009 for routing speed if we use the RB4011 with v6. Why would I even do this? That's because right now, the "development" version of v7 is scary unstable on the RB4011.
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I am running 7.1beta6 on my 4011. The only issues that I have are that I cannot reboot (it kernel panics on reboot and I have to pull the power), I have to disable and re-enable IPv6 every boot-up, and there is a slow memory leak that causes it to crash every 5 weeks or so. Other than those three things, it is reliable for me.
 
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I also noticed in the YT video that they're saying there's going to be others in the RB5000 series. That means there could be a 10 port version to properly replace the RB4011, because mine is just about filled up and I would have to rearrange my network if I upgrade to the RB5009.
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That means there could be a 10 port version to properly replace the RB4011.
If I'm not mistaken, there is only one 1G port left unused on the switch-chip, so theoretically it could be RB5010 if not the width limitations, but still not RB5011.
 
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I am running 7.1beta6 on my 4011. The only issues that I have are that I cannot reboot (it kernel panics on reboot and I have to pull the power), I have to disable and re-enable IPv6 every boot-up, and there is a slow memory leak that causes it to crash every 5 weeks or so. Other than those three things, it is reliable for me.

I have a specific RB4011 that also panics on reboot. running 6.48.1.
Has been that way since it arrived. No crashes other than the need to cold-boot "bug".
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It may be a hardware bug, instead of a ROS7 bug.
 
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No, in my case it is a RouterOS 7.1 beta6 bug. I do not have this issue with any version other than RouterOS 7.1 beta6, and MikroTik has said they have found the problem and reproduced it and it will be fixed in beta 7.
 
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If I'm not mistaken, there is only one 1G port left unused on the switch-chip, so theoretically it could be RB5010 if not the width limitations, but still not RB5011.
As I mentioned above "They can easily add an additional SFP+ with the Marvell 88F8125."

This is a "sister" chip to the Armada 7040 (CN9130) that connects over the MoChi bus and acts as an extension of the "southbridge". Each 88F8125 adds 1x 10Gigabit port and 3x 1Gigabit ports, and they are able to add up to 2 x 88F8215 to an Armada 7040.
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That would break the concept of all ports being processed by a single switch chip.
 
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Indeed. We all know shortcomings of such design: RB2011, RB3011, RB4011 ... let's just hope it doesn't continue to RB501x ...
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BTW, pages on the website for both RB5009 and CCR2004 are now available.
With official pricing etc.
 
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That would break the concept of all ports being processed by a single switch chip.
Why do they need to be ?

This is a router after all.
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This is a router after all.
Then why do it need to have more than 9 ports at all?

There were a lot of cases when people wanted to use RBx011 as router+switch in one device.
And this nonsense with two switch chips was always a limitation.
So RB5009 is clearly a step in the right direction having this use case in mind.

For pure routing I would prefer the same CPU (may be with one 88F8125 port-extender, you mentioned earlier) in a smaller box having 4-6 ports (1-2x10G + 2-4x2,5G+0-2x1G, probably some of them being combo) and no switch chip at all.
 
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From the Quick Guide of that beast:
This device needs to be upgraded to the v7.0.2 or the latest software version to ensure compliance with local authority regulations!
Looks like MikroTik is preparing something powerful to announce... 👀
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ROS v7.0.2 is same version that's used on Chateau, as explained in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=175201
v7.1 is what's everyone waiting for, v7.0 is basically same as v6.x with new kernel so it can run on newer hardware.

Also I hope more RB500x series will follow... WIFI version is probably in the works as seen by the PCB footprint, but "more optical" version with just more SFP ports would be nice too.
Just please no port flapping... I have high hopes for this new hardware.
 
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There must be a misprint in the rb5009 brochure. The speed tests actually look slightly slower than the tests on the rb4011 page. e.g. rb4011 = 4,286Mbps (512byte) (Routing 25 simple queues) while rb5009= 4,041Mbps.
 
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From the Quick Guide of that beast:
This device needs to be upgraded to the v7.0.2 or the latest software version to ensure compliance with local authority regulations!
Looks like MikroTik is preparing something powerful to announce... 👀

This is silly ... the warning continues with second paragraph:
It is the end users' responsibility to follow local country regulations, including operation within legal frequency channels, output power, cabling requirements, and Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) requirements. All MikroTik devices must be professionally installed.
RB5009UG+S+IN doesn't have any wireless. The rest, mentioned in the paragraph quoted (cabling requirements, professional installation), are not really influenced by ROS version, are they?
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It seems like that text about DFS and "local authorities" is just boilerplate filler copied and pasted into every manual.
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From my perspective the MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN could be a real winner especially for the home market

I checked ISP Supplies Canada and they do not have stock .... I will be getting this as soon as it becomes available to test out.

I am now speculating that RoS 7 will be in production mode sooner vs later based on the release of this product because the Quick Guide states that the latest firmware for this model can be gotten on the normal download site as follows:
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I checked ISP Supplies Canada and they do not have stock ....

A Polish distributor states 2021-09-03 as date of availability. Let's wait and see. Could be a nice present on the eve of N-th wave of COVID-19.

Another thing - a question for MT staff I guess: MT is selling rack-mount kit for this router. Pictures show how to mount 2 or 4 units. But is it possible to use this rack-mount kit for mounting single unit? Or 3 units? How stable is the whole thing if there aren't two units stacked vertically?
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But is it possible to use this rack-mount kit for mounting single unit? Or 3 units? How stable is the whole thing if there aren't two units stacked vertically?
They want you to buy four, that way they get four times the sales.
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Yeah. For the money they'd like to get for 4 units, I could get the new CCR2004-16G-2S+ (which would look much nicer and more professional in my home networking rack). If I'd be missing ether ports, I could throw in a CRS326-24G-2S+RM (OK, now we're talking about 2U already, but hey, I'd have 40 GigE ports and 4 SFP+ ports compared to 28 GigE ports, 4 GigE+ ports and 4 SFP+ ports. And would look like a real professional stack of real networking gear instead of the 4 devices looking like a part of winter tyre.

And I'd still have some money to spend on a few beers.

It seems like they wouldn't settle for two units sold to one customer ... those perforations on the "long ears" (where one is supposed to tear part apart if "short ears" are needed) don't look very sturdy to me.
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But is it possible to use this rack-mount kit for mounting single unit? Or 3 units? How stable is the whole thing if there aren't two units stacked vertically?
They want you to buy four, that way they get four times the sales.


About racking options, it would be better if you make an additional board, with same form factor,
To work for as gigabit port extension, for ex. 8GE+1/2SFP port only a cheap switch version.
Perfect was if on the 5009 board you make some stackable cable connection to connect the extension switch/switches easily.
(like for the old RB532 was an extension RB502/508 maybe if I remember)

Because maybe you will not buy 2 routers or 4 routers to put in the same rack, much more cases you need additional ports as (poe)switch.
 
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Website updated, but currently no available block diagrams
 
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There are still some places to fix. E.g. user manual says "The device supports RouterOS software version 7.0.04.". In downloads section of product page the "Download" button of "RouterOS current release" points to routeros-arm64-6.48.3.npk ...

SFP compatibility list doesn't even mention RB5009.

I'm sure there are more of such "gems".
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Any information about the capabilities of the switch chip ?
Can it hardware offload while using Bridge VLAN filtering ?
Or using the old switch chip configuration ?
 
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That RB5009 block diagram makes me think it was oriented around router-on-a-stick because the SFP+ is switched with all the other ports and that's what you'd have a lot of in a ROAS setup. Also, in the document for the switch chip, it claims "L3 routing features" which might be nice to have :)
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That RB5009 block diagram makes me think it was oriented around router-on-a-stick because the SFP+ is switched with all the other ports
How would it matter in ROAS scenario, as SFP+ will be the only populated port then?

But the ability to do some of inter-vlan routing on switch-chip would be good addition to overall performance indeed (no matter ROAS or not-ROAS).
 
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From my perspective the MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN could be a real winner especially for the home market
Well, it looks like it is mainly intended for installations with multiple units in a rack. I am not familiar with such installs, but maybe it can be useful in some
situations. Previously (I have seen this as well, but it is mentioned in their video) people remarked that MikroTik models were just a little too wide to be
mounted 2-aside in a rack. So, they reduced the number of ports and made it as low as possible, so now you can mount 4 of them in 1U 19".
But how many users in the home market are interested in that? They want WiFi (5009 doesn't have it). And if for a large home, they probably want PoE out
on at least 4 of the ports. Personally, I would like a little more ports. Someone else remarked, a 5018 (full width or double height), that would be the best.
There now is the 16-port model of the CCR2004, that also looks interesting for me. I will look at the passive-cooled model when that is released.
 
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I agree that two SFP slots would be more useful for some scenarios, instead of the 2.5GbE.
I think the reason for not doing that is that a 2.5GbE module in an SFP+ slot in a passively-cooled router will be thermally unstable.
They want to offer 2.5GbE and have the option of having an OPTICAL module in SFP+ slot (they do not run as hot as a TP-ethernet module).
 
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How would it matter in ROAS scenario, as SFP+ will be the only populated port then?
I use ROAS where the gigabit ports are used for gigabit devices and the SFP+ is connected to a 10G switch for only 10G devices.
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I use ROAS where the gigabit ports are used for gigabit devices and the SFP+ is connected to a 10G switch for only 10G devices.
Then it is not a ROAS :)
 
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I use ROAS where the gigabit ports are used for gigabit devices and the SFP+ is connected to a 10G switch for only 10G devices.
Then it is not a ROAS :)
Technically it is, because the WAN is located in the 10G switch and uses a VLAN to separate it from LAN.
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But the ability to do some of inter-vlan routing on switch-chip would be good addition to overall performance indeed (no matter ROAS or not-ROAS).
Hard agree, support for VLAN filtering on the switch chip is the only real-life advantage I see in RB5009 vs RB4011 after inspecting the block diagrams. Without that, RB5009 would literally have no material effect on our corporate network, and actually looks like it might lower overall throughput on our backbone switch due to the SFP+ being unfortunately backplaned with the copper Ethernet ports and therefor sharing only one pipe to the CPU.

Sure, the A72 has better performance vs the A15 CPU, but considering that the fastest interface on either device is 10G, that will never be a factor and software will always be just as fast as hardware switching, unless you're running crazy queues and thousands of filters and loads of VPN clients simultaneously, in which case IMO you're looking at the wrong class of router entirely, and should really be using the CCR.

TL;DR:
All in all, were I buying a new router for our small business TODAY, I would probably still go for RB4011 over the RB5009, if only for ROSv6 and the separate switch chips and SFP+ CPU pipe. Any possible use case I can see for the RB5009 is better accomplished with either RB4011 or jumping up to CCR series. RB5009 could potentially be better than RB4011 only if you are using it as single SoHo router/switch, on its own with no trunks.

Long-form:
Our current RB4011 setup (200+ firewall filters, 200+ hosts on the network), and how RB5009 may or may not be useful in our use case, is:
LACP 2x1G from the Comcast modem (1.5Gb internet connection) to ether1,2 for WAN (can't ever see needing more than 1Gb in a single TCP stream, no internet-connected servers serve at that speed, so LACP's throughput & faillover reliability easily wins over a single 2.5Gb link). No RB5009 benefit here.

Ether3-5 are server for DNS and other IP services, IoT controller, and extant Unifi controller for a few dozen UAPs (sorry MT, your WAPs still suck). These are extremely low-bandwidth services, which largely serve hosts that exist upstream on our CSS326 backbone via the SFP+ port. With the SFP+ on the same switchchip, and if that switchchip supported L3/VLAN filtering, we could potentially see some RB5009 performance benefit here, but it would be negligible at best, and certainly not worth losing access to ROSv6 (I know v7 is supposedly stable, but as of last night I still can't get satisfactory performance from any of our testlab RBs running v7, and even the chance of memory leaks or panics is unacceptable - looks like we're probably 2-3 years from a stable v7 LTS release).

On switchchip 2 (ether 6-10) I have our CCTV server, backup server (LACP 2x1G to accommodate multiple simultaneous highspeed backups), and a trunk to our PoE camera switch. Because we use VLAN filtering and strict inter-VLAN firewall filtering, the constant 220Mbps camera traffic has to ingress to switchchip2, hit the CPU for routing, then egress back out switchchip2 to the CCTV server. This is where the (potential) L3/VLAN filtering on the RB5009 switchchip could be a real benefit, freeing up CPU cycles, and keeping the pipe from the CPU to the chip free so that it can be more effectively saturated by machines pushing data to the backup server. As it is, roughly half a gig of that pipe is being used sending camera back and forth.

On SFP+ we have a 10Gb trunk to CSS326 for all the end user data drops, APs, etc. All ingress and egress traffic on those copper ports, regardless of source or destination, must always go back to the RB4011 CPU for routing, then either to one of the services attached directly to the RB, or back up to the CSS326. I wouldn't want this to change; we have a large number of data drops around the building that could be accessed by someone with even a few minutes to lurk around, as well as multiple wifi networks, and an open public wifi network where captive portal and other traditional guest management solutions aren't an option, as certain specific internal services must be accessible. Everything is L2 isolated, and I want every single packet to be filtered and logged. No real benefit to having thee RB5009 here vs the RB4011; in fact, I am certain I would see a performance hit: RB4011 has a dedicated 10G pipe for SFP+ to the CPU, whereas the RB5009 must share its 10G link with its copper ports. If our network expanded to 3-5x the current size, RB5009's faster CPU would be attractive, but like I said earlier, at that point I'm looking at CCR.


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I feel like the RB5009 for me would actually bet a positive gain in performance, as my RB4011 is doing inter-VLAN routing in the CPU for CCTV and RSTP, both of which aren't supported by the wimpy TTL switch chips but likely are by the RB5009's.
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Technically it is
Well, no, it's not: ROAS concept implies that router has only single physical connection to the rest of the network.
 
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ROAS concept implies that router has only single physical connection to the rest of the network.
Maybe it's a half-ROAS, because to the 10G devices it only has one connection, but to the gigabit it has many.
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You can say about any network device that “it has one connection for some subset of devices, and some connections to the rest”. :)))
 
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I suspect that the 5009 results could actually be underestimated.
That is not really a question here - the question is why 4011 "test results" in the video are not anywhere near what the official 4011 product page/brochure always stated.
I think they made mistake and have yet to publish the actual performance :). I think MikroTik was excited to show us this new hardware. Lets give few days and wait for official performance document along with a block diagram. [missing from site]. Also their RouterOS download link for the RB5009 points to 6.48.3 stable; when it should instead be v7.1
Update: I noticed now they have put block diagram. Yesterday It was not there.
 
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What happened to the console port ?? Lab equipment should have that !!
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What happened to the console port ??
This is something that I really want before I can buy one.
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It has a USB connector, so likely you can make a console port by plugging in a USB-RS232 cable.
 
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..getting to start being interested in the RB5009 (although I'd rather wait until 2x10G/SFP+ ...and more 2.5G will be added/converted...who knows what will be coming).

Question: Do you consider it a good move to combine PoE-in with the only 2.5G port? ...looks like a deadlock situation to me.
There are not many 2.5G Injectors available, let alone 802.3bt....Oh, TP-Link has them (oups, wrong brand).

Until this situation changes, it will/can hold back potential buyers, like me.
...as I love to power all my equipment from a multi-port PoE Injector, in order to increase efficiency as a whole and also get the ability to "remotely" power on/off, should need be.
 
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It has a USB connector, so likely you can make a console port by plugging in a USB-RS232 cable.

Or better yet a woobm.


OTOH, for me having both RJ45 and SFP+ served by single switch chip is a benefit for SOHO installations. This way unit can really be used as combination of router/switch and traffic between ether ports and SFP+ would not hit the CPU. And I guess typical SOHO user doesn't have more than 2.5Gbps WAN speed, hence SFP+ port would be used either for connection towards another switch or towards some NAS device.

As to the form factor: there are uses even in corporate environments where one needs multiple independent routers with a few ports and in such case, the possibility to mount devices in 1U space is a benefit. I don't think these units will be used for more traditional tasks in corporate environments, those would better be served by some CCR device. For home users, form factor typically doesn't matter that much, not many homes are equipped with 19" rack ... and even those can be fitted with a shelf or two for non-rackmount devices.
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..getting to start being interested in the RB5009 (although I'd rather wait until 2x10G/SFP+

I wouldn't hold my breath for that if I were you. I expect such a beast would cannibalize the CCR2004-16G-2S+ too much. More 2.5G ports would be nice, though.
 
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There are not many 2.5G Injectors available, let alone 802.3bt....Oh, TP-Link has them (oups, wrong brand).
You don't need 802.3bt to power the RB5009 (it only supports 802.3af/at), and 2.5G works fine over regular ethernet cables.
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I am not talking about the cables, I am talking about the injector ports.

As the only 2.5G port on the RB5009 is the same for PoE-IN, I'd need a 2.5G capable Injector, hence....independent of PoE standard
I do not suppose a "standard" injector with advertised 1G ports will deliver a 2.5 link, or will it?
 
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Shut up and take my money!

It looks like the switch chip supports L3 switching/routing:)
But does it support IPv6 hardware offloading as well?
 
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I do not suppose a "standard" injector with advertised 1G ports will deliver a 2.5 link, or will it?
2.5G uses the same wires as 1G and it was designed to be used with the same cables, so the injector effectively can't tell the difference. Actually, it might be able to do 10G as well as the connector and wires still stay the same. The difference only mattered with 100M vs. 1G where half the wires could be missing.
But does it support IPv6 hardware offloading as well?
We don't even have IPv6 Past Path yet, so it could be a while before it's supported.
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It looks like the switch chip supports L3 switching/routing:)
But does it support IPv6 hardware offloading as well?

One thing is switch chip support for L3 switching and for sure IPv6 is different than IPv4 in this regard.

Another question is if ROS can configure switch chip to do it. And for now the answer is NO, IPv6 HW offload is not here even on CRS3xx where IPv4 is already offloaded (and MT staff hinted that HW supports IPv6 offload). And I guess it's a long way to get there. I'm assuming that L3 HW offload is somehow tied to fast-track (if software can't cut the corners, how can it pass cutting the corner to HW?) which is not implemented for IPv6 on any device on any ROS version.
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@Cablenut9 ...true, what you said regarding the pair of wires ...I will try and put this to a test...time to shop for a switch with 2.5G & 10G-T ports (Edit: ...and PoE-In) ;-)
 
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The difference only mattered with 100M vs. 1G where half the wires could be missing.
Or better: a 100M injector can just connect 4 of the 8 wires directly to power, while a 1G injector has to respect that those 4 wires are used for datatransfer as well so it has to use inductors to couple the power to the wires.
That is why a 1G link with a 100M injector falls back to 100M: those 4 wires are not usable for datatransfer anymore and the link falls back to 100M mode which uses only the other 4 wires.

There is no such difference between 1G and 2.5G so I too expect that it will just work with a 1G injector, unless there would be some spec issue with the inductors.
 
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Is there any news about the new switch chip's L3 features?
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There is no such difference between 1G and 2.5G so I too expect that it will just work with a 1G injector, unless there would be some spec issue with the inductors.
Well, to send more traffic we have 3 possibilities:
1) Increase the transmission frequency.
2) Increase the signaling efficiency - usually at the cost of a more complex and prone to interference schema.
3) Increase the parallelism - use more pairs.

We know it uses the same CAT5e cable, so number 3 is out.

I don't know which one of the 1) or 2) options it uses - but any of them could (it COULD, I don't know if WILL) be affected by a perfectly fine gigabit injector. So although I agree that is highly likely that it will work, I would do some tests before basing a project on them. You know, Murphy and all.
 
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Yes, that would be the "spec issue with the inductors" I mentioned. If the frequencies are higher, a perfect inductor would not have problems with that, but in reality we do not have perfect inductors, they have parasitic capacitance, and that could ruin your day at higher frequencies.
So it would be a specific issue with certain types of injectors, not something you can test once and then forget about.

However, I don't think the frequency is higher. It looks like they use a more advanced modulation at the same frequency.
That should not really affect the injector.
 
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I don't know. A more advanced modulation could be using an algorithm that needs more sensitivity, and it means smaller voltage steps between levels. I would really test some model, and "certificate" it for my use. That is, if I would be buying lots of them. If he only needs 5 or 6...
 
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Any idea about IPSEC performance ?
 
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About switch chip-cpu discussion, I'm not really sure if is a problem, if you have all port on sw chip with 2.5g link between CPU and SWchip and 10g to CPU is not a big benefit as well (aka 4011)
From other side from 10G port you can get full 2.5G to 2.5port (I guess ?!), and still 7.5G for all other 1G ports for CPU, in case with 4011 you get 10g and all other ports recv max 5G 2*2.5 which again is not big benefit to have 10G port (except "router on stick" I guess ) - An we talk about theoretical speeds (yes most for L2)
I'm sorry if my calculations are wrong, my point is .. really depend on the use case (note: also if L3 hw offload is supported for this sw chip with ros7 :) )

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Does anyone know if this bad boy supports IPSec HW acceleration? In the Test Results page (Link: https://mikrotik.com/product/rb5009ug_s ... estresults ) doesn't show any IPSec performance.

If no IPSec HW acceleration is supported is DoA for me.

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Marvell Armada 7040 have Security Engine (hardware crypto engine) with multiple algorithm capabilities
https://www.marvell.com/content/dam/mar ... 017-12.pdf
https://csrc.nist.gov/projects/cryptogr ... duct=11260

but Mikrotik sells a device with a beta version of ROS without hardware acceleration support...
do not ask me why it is necessary.
 
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Mark your Calendar ... August 23, 2021 .... this is the date to watch RoS v7.x
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Marvell Armada 7040 have Security Engine (hardware crypto engine) with multiple algorithm capabilities
https://www.marvell.com/content/dam/mar ... 017-12.pdf
https://csrc.nist.gov/projects/cryptogr ... duct=11260

but Mikrotik sells a device with a beta version of ROS without hardware acceleration support...
Thanks I guess we have to wait and see if they decide to take advantage of the HW capabilities!. It will be very stupid if not, but you know the world is full of stupidity these days :(
 
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Mark your Calendar ... August 23, 2021 .... this is the date to watch RoS v7.x
So it seems that many MikroTik sellers in the USA and Canada have been informed that the RB5009 is NOW backordered into November 2021 .... if that is true then my teaser above is going to miss the MARK :shock:
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But this is an interesting info all the same. Is the 5009 supposed to use 7.1 final from the start? Or will it use some 7.1beta?
 
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But this is an interesting info all the same. Is the 5009 supposed to use 7.1 final from the start? Or will it use some 7.1beta?
There's a special v7 that is stable but just for a couple devices, and that's probably what the RB5009 will come with. However, you can also use v7.1 beta instead.
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I'm more interested in using the new devices as a tool to estimate when they expect V7 final. :D

This one will see heavy usage with BGP, OSPF and so on. I doubt (hope, at least) that it doesn't get sold with a 7beta without complete routing possibilities. It would be a shame.
 
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To clear up any confusion about different performance data I would like to point that RB5009 is RouterOS v7 only board.
With that in mind it was in our best interest to give both devices a fair comparison, therefore both units were tested with the same RouterOS v7 version (in this case RouterOS v7.1beta6 (build Apr 01, 2021)), same configurations, test settings and workload.
Due to the fact that RouterOS v7 is still in development and changes happen often, performance comparing to RouterOS v6 can differ.
Here are both performance tables used for RB5009 marketing materials:
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I'm more interested in using the new devices as a tool to estimate when they expect V7 final. :D

This one will see heavy usage with BGP, OSPF and so on. I doubt (hope, at least) that it doesn't get sold with a 7beta without complete routing possibilities. It would be a shame.
Well, there are of course always different usage scenarios. I would not want it without BGP, but there are probably plenty of potential customers who just
have a 1Gbit or more fiber internet and want to use it as a home NAT router with some extra capabilities (VPN etc).

Myself, I would like to see IPv6 features to be on-par with IPv4. There are still lots of features in the firewall and static routing that are not available for IPv6, and they really should be.
 
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So it seems that many MikroTik sellers in the USA and Canada have been informed that the RB5009 is NOW backordered into November 2021 .... if that is true then my teaser above is going to miss the MARK :shock:
EURO DK claim [EXPECTED 60 PCS ~ 03.09.2021] they will have inventory of the RB5009 by September 3, 2021 ... so if that is True and MikroTik documentation states that RoS v7.x will be available on the normal download site maybe my earlier tease is actually closer to the mark.
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Myself, I would like to see IPv6 features to be on-par with IPv4. There are still lots of features in the firewall and static routing that are not available for IPv6, and they really should be.
That would be good too. Mikrotik really should give IPv6 some love.
 
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Is it possible to fit / mount into 10" rack?
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Is it possible to fit / mount into 10" rack?
Maybe this, it looks odd enough:

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A read about ears for 10" rack.
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It looks bad from a thermal perspective to mount passive devices on top of each other. Is that really well tought?
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These units dissipate only 14-20W. So it will not be that bad.
It is likely assumed that in a rack where you want 2 or 4 of these routers, you already have some air circulation and cooling.
(maybe not in a small rack in a consumer's home, but will they use more than 1 router?)
 
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Great hardware but we need a 5/8 ports poe version for the rack at base of the tower, I hope to see it soon
 
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It looks bad from a thermal perspective to mount passive devices on top of each other. Is that really well tought?
Agree but probably if top and bottom are reversed will be ok
 
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The bottom is used as a heatsink and it tranfers the heat to the back where the cooling ribs sit.

Heat is transfered also between multiple devices and spread this way.
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It is likely assumed that in a rack where you want 2 or 4 of these routers, you already have some air circulation and cooling.
Some air cooling would certainly help...
 
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I don't think cooling will be a problem considering that the Raspberry Pi 4 uses the same model of Cortex CPU and is a tiny circuit board, yet it stays cool just fine.
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We can expect a 5009 version with some poe ports? It's perfect hardware to swap the old but this usefull hex poe
 
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It is likely assumed that in a rack where you want 2 or 4 of these routers, you already have some air circulation and cooling.
Some air cooling would certainly help...
And for stand alone or wall mounting you can attach a small fan like I did on the 4011. In the summer it keeps the 4011 cool.

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Will there be a Marvell Armada 8040 Mikrotik?
 
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Will there be a Marvell Armada 8040 Mikrotik?
CN9131 or CN9132 is much more likely
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Do anyone knows if the RB5009 will be getting support for L3hw?
 
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Do anyone knows if the RB5009 will be getting support for L3hw?
Speculation is that yes it will come.
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I don't have gigabit internet at home but I think this unit can handle CAKE queues at full gigabit speeds because of its Cortex A72 processor.
 
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+ for a PoE version
We are desperate for something rather compact with good routing performance and PoE capability and a few more ports to replace those hEX PoE.
 
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Did anyone test Wireguard performance on the RB5009 and can compare it with the RB4011?
I'm wondering if both can achieve gigabit speeds with Wireguard.

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Did anyone test Wireguard performance with the RB4011?
I am not disapointed with WireGuard performance and it comparable to to IKEv2 for which the 4011 has hardware support.
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My unit comes shipped with RouterOS 7.0.5 (?): should I upgrade to dev branch?
7.0.5 says "stable" but I cant find it anywhere (nor have heared about it yet)
 
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I received this router today. The first thing I noticed were the LED lights on the ports. When I turn on the router only the first 3 turn on. Is this OK? Can anyone else who took this router tell me if it has the same problem or I got a bad sample?
I tried all the ports, when I plug in the cable the green light works on all ports, but the orange one doesn't work at all. Not on any port.

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This the first time I read a router to be refered to as "phallic". I don't judge you, on get where your kicks.

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You didn't help me. If you can't help or give advice, then at least don't post here.
 
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OK, I won't here anymore.

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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:03 pm

Mine is all green when turned on.

But I have another issue. if you go /system resource , it is from day1 a " 0.1% bad blocks". No clue it is because of the bug or there is really some bad blocks.
[brg3466@RB5009] > /system resource/print
                   uptime: 5d20h6m1s
                  version: 7.1rc4 (testing)
               build-time: Sep/20/2021 10:18:44
         factory-software: 7.0.4
              free-memory: 748.4MiB
             total-memory: 1024.0MiB
                cpu-count: 4
            cpu-frequency: 1400MHz
                 cpu-load: 0%
           free-hdd-space: 983.0MiB
          total-hdd-space: 1025.0MiB
  write-sect-since-reboot: 88561
         write-sect-total: 88561
               bad-blocks: 0.1%
        architecture-name: arm64
               board-name: RB5009UG+S+
                 platform: MikroTik
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:52 pm

What do you think, is it hardware or software issue? I mean on both problems.
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:35 pm

I can confirm that the RB5009 can be powered using the Ubiquiti 802.3af Injectors while still maintaining a 2.5GBase-T link.

I can also confirm that the SFP+ does not support 2500Base-X (relevant for people that use certain GPON SFP ONTs that allow syncing at that rate).
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:01 pm

Is it possible to fit / mount into 10" rack?
Maybe this, it looks odd enough:

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A read about ears for 10" rack.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=176757&p=866885&hil ... ck#p866885
I like this, would definetely get this
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:57 am

Mine is all green when turned on.

But I have another issue. if you go /system resource , it is from day1 a " 0.1% bad blocks". No clue it is because of the bug or there is really some bad blocks.
[brg3466@RB5009] > /system resource/print
                   uptime: 5d20h6m1s
                  version: 7.1rc4 (testing)
               build-time: Sep/20/2021 10:18:44
         factory-software: 7.0.4
              free-memory: 748.4MiB
             total-memory: 1024.0MiB
                cpu-count: 4
            cpu-frequency: 1400MHz
                 cpu-load: 0%
           free-hdd-space: 983.0MiB
          total-hdd-space: 1025.0MiB
  write-sect-since-reboot: 88561
         write-sect-total: 88561
               bad-blocks: 0.1%
        architecture-name: arm64
               board-name: RB5009UG+S+
                 platform: MikroTik
I had bad blocks before, that solved by installing the same rOS version again, I don't know if this still works, but, it worth a shot.
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:23 pm

I received this router today. The first thing I noticed were the LED lights on the ports. When I turn on the router only the first 3 turn on. Is this OK? Can anyone else who took this router tell me if it has the same problem or I got a bad sample?
I tried all the ports, when I plug in the cable the green light works on all ports, but the orange one doesn't work at all. Not on any port.

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The orange LED lights only in PoE In port. I use PoE In on first start, and also receive light on other ports. Now on boot lights only first port. I think that is some "initial boot indication". After boot this lights must disappears.
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:36 pm

I bought one more router and the behavior of the LEDs are the same. So this is normal behavior. When I unpacked the router, there was a greasy part on one side of the router. Can you tell me what that means and is it normal? By the way, I saw this on the first router also, but it was much smaller.

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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:16 pm

Mmmh this looks like oil.

strange.
 
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Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:11 am

Mmmh this looks like oil.

strange.
I noticed that also on first one, but it was much much smaller. Does that mean it's not a coincidence there?
Routers are working fine. I cleaned this once and that's it. I hope this is normal.
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:43 pm

Any ETA for the POE version? The old Hex Poe has reached routing limits for us and it's not more usable due to traffic growth
 
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Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:47 am

When I connect internet, the orange led blink for microseconds, or if you plug just a littlebit, it shines oranges..When it plug all, it shines green.
Anothers ports are ok...Do you have also this problem?
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:04 am

I bought one more router and the behavior of the LEDs are the same. So this is normal behavior. When I unpacked the router, there was a greasy part on one side of the router. Can you tell me what that means and is it normal? By the way, I saw this on the first router also, but it was much smaller.

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yesterday i received my device and i find exactly seam condition there was a greasy part on one side of the router
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:55 pm

Just got mine today and have the same issue with bad blocks. Upgraded to 7.1RC5. Haven't done a netinstall and don't think I'll have the opportunity for a while either.
                   uptime: 45m39s
                  version: 7.1rc5 (testing)
               build-time: Oct/25/2021 17:15:25
         factory-software: 7.0.5
              free-memory: 833.9MiB
             total-memory: 1024.0MiB
                cpu-count: 4
            cpu-frequency: 1400MHz
                 cpu-load: 0%
           free-hdd-space: 992.2MiB
          total-hdd-space: 1025.0MiB
  write-sect-since-reboot: 223
         write-sect-total: 448
               bad-blocks: 0.1%
        architecture-name: arm64
               board-name: RB5009UG+S+
                 platform: MikroTik
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:16 pm

The quality of MikroTik is not that great as I thought... :(
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:20 pm

If every 5009 have this then it could be a default value to be increased.
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:35 pm

1. not every 5009 has 0.1% bad block
2. Tried netibstall, no change. Still 0.1%
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:42 pm

When I started in computing, after formatting a floppy disk or hard disk it often happened that there were a couple of bad blocks.
But in those days we were not paying attention to that. Maybe on the floppy, when the bad blocks caused a loss of capacity that meant another floppy could not be copied to it...
Harddisks even came with a sticker that had the numbers of the bad blocks, and you could type it in your format program to skip them even when no obvious errors were detected.
Maybe your RB5009 also has such a sticker? Or it let loose because of the oily patch?
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:20 am

1. not every 5009 has 0.1% bad block
2. Tried netibstall, no change. Still 0.1%
AFAIK some of those types on memory chips already ships form chip manufactuer with some small amount of acceptable amount of bad blocks. Some vendors just choose to hide that number. Main thing is that you need to look aftair is that number doesn't increase rapidly (some percentage points per few months are normal)
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:51 am

POE version is on the way? We really need it...
 
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:55 pm

I bought one more router and the behavior of the LEDs are the same. So this is normal behavior. When I unpacked the router, there was a greasy part on one side of the router. Can you tell me what that means and is it normal? By the way, I saw this on the first router also, but it was much smaller.

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yesterday i received my device and i find exactly seam condition there was a greasy part on one side of the router
I contacted Mikrotik support about this and got response that this is caused in production process. And it can't affect the device itself, it just cleans up and that's it.
About bad blocks, I don't have them on 2 devices.
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:45 am

I just purchased an RB5009 to replace my RB4011. Initially skeptical about the rack mount kit but it is ingenious.

You either use it as-is (for centre mount in a 19" rack), or snap the ears off and punch out the centre plates for mounting up to four units in 1RU, leaving the shorter rack ears. I don't know if the shorter ears fit neatly into a 10" rack though, so I apologise for not being able to validate that.

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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:10 am

four units in 1RU, leaving the shorter rack ears. I don't know if the shorter ears fit neatly into a 10" rack though, so I apologise for not being able to validate that.
It's pretty slick that.I wish they would put release a range of routers with 3-4 SFP/SFP+ ports with these style attachments as we use RB2011's/RB4011's/CCR1016's to terminate incoming fiber ISP or AirFiber connections.We'd save a ton of rackspace using this style of design.
 
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Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:22 pm

It's pretty slick that.I wish they would put release a range of routers with 3-4 SFP/SFP+ ports with these style attachments as we use RB2011's/RB4011's/CCR1016's to terminate incoming fiber ISP or AirFiber connections.We'd save a ton of rackspace using this style of design.
I would say this. One "5004", with 2 SFP+ and two 2,5Gb ethernet, would be great.
 
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Re: MikroTik RB5009UG+S+IN

Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:45 pm

You are getting the form factor decision wrong. It was never intended for home use, so WiFi is not a necessity.
RB5009 is perfectly designed for data center usage, where you pay $$ for each U you use.
So if you need a 4 router setup, you need to pay 4 x $$ / U. Let's say you have a 30 USD / U price, 4 routers will cost you 4 x 30 = 120 USD each month.
But with rb5009, you will pay only 1 U, since you can mount 4 PCS in 1 U. Very clever. ( we bough 4, to replace a 3 router setup )

I wished for a 2 SFP+ port and 2-4 RJ45 RB5009, but it is OK this way too. ( even if performance is ~5.5Gbps / sec on it ) so we could use 1 SFP+ for the provider and the other as the uplink to the Core Switch.

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