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hAP ax lite LTE6

Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:45 am

The problem:

Brand new hAp ax lite LTE6 lost LTE1 interface after a few days of work.

Tried:
1. Reset - no success
2. Upgrade to beta, downgrade - no success

Waiting for:
1. Netinstall as device has to be sent back to me.

Question:

Does anybody solved such problem without replacing device?
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:16 am

Right now I have 5 of them active on different sites and I didn't encounter this problem... I hope it's not some kind of serial defect...

Modem is soldered to the board so in case of modem fault easiest solution would be to replace whole unit...
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:43 pm

At the risk of stating the obvious...
Already tried to just create that lte interface again ?

I managed once on an sxt lte to remove that interface by accident ( wanted to disable, hit the wrong button).
It came right back after create.
Very nervous 5 minutes, I can tell you...
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:56 pm

Does it show up in /ports (System>Ports)? Is there a "ppp-out1" interface instead of "lte1"?

Using the "/interface lte settings set mode=serial", rebooting, you can see if that gets up a ppp-out1. That not want you'd want to use (it be limited to 25Mbs), but if it shows up... it's not likely the hardware. And switch back to "auto", but the transition get it "lte1" to be picked up..
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:42 pm

I could answer the question when the device will be on my desk as "device has to be sent back to me".

Strange but somehow I have no remote access to it :) :)

BTW ... ordered new one ...intresting how long it will survive?
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:58 pm

Fair enough. It's tough when remote...

More saying I'm betting a RouterOS issue, than hardware. Don't have one of these... But all modems have subtle different messages/times & the hAPaxLite-LTE6 uses a Fibocom modem, instead of the Quectel they used for a bit... My general advice is to upgrade it to latest RouterOS & associated firmware on the new one.

When I've seen problems with LTE interface detection (e.g. missing), it's generally been some firmware mismatch. And even then physically depowering the device for >10 seconds generally causes the modem to actually shutdown sometimes gets them back. e.g. a /system/reboot may not "reboot" the modem.
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:11 pm

The log says
LTE1: no response for: AT E0 V1
Lots of posts on Forum eith the same problem. Same SIM in the new device works without problems.

Any idea?
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:36 pm

No usb2 modem, no serial port, usb1 removed for test, recreated by router after restart.
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:32 pm

Netinstall did not help, even worse ... serial0 and usb2 flaps :(
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:35 pm

And where is wifi interface ??
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:47 pm

package wifi2 not installed .. no need at this moment
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:49 pm

Wild suggestion then...
What if you do install it and then reboot ?
Or reset config ?
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:47 pm

No change ... reset, upgrade, downgrade, reset, power on, power off .. so many tries ... tired trying.

LTE is missing ... Fibocom USB device is on a list of devices then vanish ... resurrects ... USB2 flaps ... no interface no matter what combination of above steps is taken.

Time for warranty.
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:15 pm

Fair enough. I'd still grab a supout.rif, ideally after a reboot with "debug" topic enabled, and send that to Mikrotik. I would have though netinstall or even just /system/reset-configuration would have gotten this working.

While removing wifiwave2 driver should be fine – that might be involved here. Easy to imagine that Mikrotik never tested what happens if you removed the wifiwave2 driver. ;)

The logs kinda make sense since defconf waits ~30 seconds looking for wireless interfaces and, if none, it does a log and /quit. But that failure doesn't explain not finding LTE, since the defconf does not create the LTE interface or do anything with LTE.
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:31 pm

The logs kinda make sense since defconf waits ~30 seconds looking for wireless interfaces and, if none, it does a log and /quit. But that failure doesn't explain not finding LTE, since the defconf does not create the LTE interface or do anything with LTE.
Actually it does do "something" but creating them, that it doesn't do.
(e.g. it does add it to WAN interface list, looked it up in default config for AX Lite LTE :lol: )
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:52 pm

Actually it does do "something" but creating them, that it doesn't do.
(e.g. it does add it to WAN interface list, looked it up in default config for AX Lite LTE :lol: )
True. And, firewall be missing too since wireless check happens early, but failure should actually get you a blank config anyway (@holvoetn, see "revert" part at bottom of /system/default-configuration). I have every faith that @BartoszP can build a config if that were the problem here ;). It's the "no response for: AT E0 V1" that's seems like Mikrotik bug.

Unforentently the "AT E0 V1" error is kinda generic — it's just the first command it tries, so that alone doesn't tell you much about the nature of the problem (e.g. could be modem hung, modem not in right USB mode, routeros not using right channel, and/or actual hardware failure) – it just tell you to look at /port and /system/resource to see if it showing up as serial device & seen on USB bus at least.

If it's showing up in /ports and has channels, this is almost certainly a RouterOS bug*. The "AT E0 V1" is also curious since I think that's a Quectel command (but not 100% it's ONLY quectel), but the hAPaxLiteLTE6 has a fibocom modem.

* which may have been fixed in latest fw/ros/boot software ... but @BartoszP already using 7.12rc1 "testing"...
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:00 pm

It "might" be a bug in the system thinking it needs to speak "Quectel" wheres it should speak "Fibocom" for that device.

@BartoszP:
what's factory SW version on that device ? (mine is powered down, otherwise I need to power it up again to see :? )
You might try to netinstall that specific version again ?
Just to see ?

I agree supout.rif might still be interesting for support.
Once you sent it back, no way anymore to find back what caused the problem.

OTOH, just this morning I upgraded my device to 7.12rc1. No issues found for the time it was powered on.
So it's certainly not a generic problem.
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:15 pm

It "might" be a bug in the system thinking it needs to speak "Quectel" wheres it should speak "Fibocom" for that device.
Well, the command isn't returning anything that's the bigger problem. e.g. modem would report error back on the usb serial channel.

FWIW /system/serial-terminal usb2 channel=1 (or channel=0, or "usb1"), let get you the modem's AT command interface. If that comes up and "ATI" does reports something with "OK", it's almost certainly not hardware.
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:27 pm

@holvoetn, on your hAPaxLite is the modem at "usb1" or "usb2" in the port list? e.g. @BartoszP is showing "usb2".
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:01 pm

Darn, now I do need to power it on again :shock:

USB2
Serial in red, usb2 in black since interface is operational.
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:03 am

what's factory SW version on that device ? (mine is powered down, otherwise I need to power it up again to see :? )
You might try to netinstall that specific version again ?
Just to see ?
Already done. The first step was to try factory minimum 7.8 version, then upgraded, downgraded ... reset ...power on, power off, reset config, reset, reboot, upgrade to rc, downgrade ..., ...., ...., .... tired looking for other combinations to check :)
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:45 pm

My hAP ax lite LTE6 does a different kind of weird :
- Although I have entered 0000 as PIN for LTE card, after reboot ROS 7.8, 7.11.2 and 7.12rc2 all say "SIM locked" and no LTE traffic. Log says: LTE:: lte1 mbim: state 7=>9
- After doing disable+enable to the lte1 interface from the webfig, problem gets fixed: interface knows the PIN and goes up correctly
- LTE firmware 16121.1034.00.01.01.04

SOLUTION: after disabling PIN for SIM-card, LTE connection goes up nicely every time.
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:38 pm

Already done. The first step was to try factory minimum 7.8 version, then upgraded, downgraded ... reset ...power on, power off, reset config, reset, reboot, upgrade to rc, downgrade ..., ...., ...., .... tired looking for other combinations to check :)
EXACTLY THE SAME HERE!
I get the device from package, started up, I inserted the sim, set-up sim settings with defconf and it's worked, then I upgraded to the latest ROS 7.12, then it can't connect again. I updated the lte modem too and I tried install ALL ROS 7 from 7.8 and nothing.
What the hell???
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:13 pm

Did you try update the boot firmware via /system/routerboard to 7.12 as well?
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:11 am

7.12, 7.13beta ... no change

lte1: no response for: AT E0 V1
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:25 pm

7.12, 7.13beta ... no change

lte1: no response for: AT E0 V1
So, the lte1 interface is not shown anymore, or just can't connect?
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:49 pm

Already launched a support ticket about it ?
What was the response ?
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:40 pm

Today one more ax lite lte deployed, so far no problems with LTE interface. I hope i will not face the same problems as they are used in quite delicate application...
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:22 pm

Today one more ax lite lte deployed, so far no problems with LTE interface. I hope i will not face the same problems as they are used in quite delicate application...
Once LTE works, it generally stays working. e.g. most often issues some firmware mis-match or some bad interaction with some carrier. Just test any future upgrades on a less "delicate" hAPliteLTE6 before upgrading more critical ones – as upgrades, once in while, still mess something up in V7.

Still unsure why @BartozP is having trouble, be curious to hear what mikrotik comes back with.
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:12 am

Same issue here as kalamaja's post (October 18th).
Running 7.12.1, latest radio firmware. With PIN on, LTE is functional only after disable & enable the interface.
Solved with disabling PIN from SIM card.
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:16 pm

My is running 7.13, PIN is disabled by default so i had to re-enable it. Didn't experienced same problem as you. Did you try to update ROS ?
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:12 pm

Should have written it earlier: router replaced with the new one.
 
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Re: hAP ax lite LTE6

Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:17 pm

7.12, 7.13beta ... no change

lte1: no response for: AT E0 V1
FWIW (and for reference for others)
I experienced the same some days ago and at least 2 other users as well.
That message might indicate a FW crash, I just had upgraded to latest 05 for that device. So did the other users. So not really a coincidence.

Support downgraded modem FW on my device to 04 and all is good again since Friday evening (it wouldn't last 10 minutes before, interface simply GONE).

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