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hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Sun May 12, 2024 5:06 pm

I have an LTGG with hAP ax2 at my countryside and the hap ax2 wifi can't reach all of the rooms in the building, although it is not that big. I am trying to extend the range of the wifi the best I can.

I have moved the 5ghz wifi1 interface to a different SSID and currently I am looking at other settings to enhance the range.

Setting the antenna gain to 0 (the default) and tx-power to 40 for maximum performance. Maybe I should just unset both to default?

I am also looking at 2.4ghz channels. I am using "WiFi analyzer app" which tells me that my neighbours wifi is using bands 4 to 8. Should I use 20/40MHz channel width for optimal performance?

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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Sun May 12, 2024 5:17 pm

AX2 antennas are pretty small.

If you are having a range issue... Abandon all hope.

Start putting wires around your place to where you need coverage. Then start putting Access Points there.
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Sun May 12, 2024 5:21 pm

Should I use 20/40MHz channel width for optimal performance?
Using narrower channel (i.e. 20MHz only) will give you slightly longer range.

But as @gotsprings wrote: use wires (and/or multiple APs).
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Sun May 12, 2024 5:34 pm

Ok thanks for the tips. I should have bought the ax3 then... :/
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Sun May 12, 2024 5:41 pm

@mkx is right 20Mhz would get you smidgen more range.

Sometimes just even minor re-positioning router helps too (e.g.. put on top of bookcase, vs. in the bookcase, ... etc.). And, check your clients RSSI in various locations to see if that helps.
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Sun May 12, 2024 6:36 pm

Ok thanks for the tips. I should have bought the ax3 then... :/

As long as you want to remain within country regulatory limits, device with big ugly array of antennae won't help much with range (in principle it is only allowed to enhance reception). Even more, with high gain antennae it's important to orient them optimally ... and optimum for one station/location often isn't optimum for another station/location.

So in short: ax3 vs. ax2 wouldn't make a big difference.

It's a simple fact: radio will only work fine to certain extent (and that includes range, stability, throughput, etc.) ... some vendors may be a bit better than others, but it's the general principle (after all, they are all supposed to stick to same regulatory limits regarding EIRP). It's also simple fact that obstacles (e.g. walls of anything but thin paper) will degrade performance (range) a lot. So when reading the "propaganda leaflets" telling a big range of wireless AP ... it might be true when used in open terrain without any other devices using same piece of spectrum. When it comes to buildings in a neghbourhood, the usable range usually shrinks to single room (if walls are made of thick bricks or reinforced concrete) or perhaps to adjacent rooms (if walls are not too thick and rooms are not too big). With lower frequencies (2.4GHz) range is sightly longer (may work through one additional wall), but that means that interference (from neighburs) will be stronger as well.

So again: get some wires laid and install multiple APs, placed on trategic places ... you can use the AP you already have to do some measurements (place it somewhere, go around with a phone running some measurement app ... reposition AP so that you get at least -75dBm of signal strength in all places you'd want to use your WiFi ... the areas where your devices will be used most woudl ideally be covered with strong signal from a single AP, the rest should be at least 10dBm, ideally 20dBm, weaker). When you determine positions of APs, lay UTP cables connecting them a central (network topology wise, not geographically) location where your main router will be placed. It can be a router/AP combo, but I recommend it's a dedicated router (so you can reposition your APs, change AP vendor or anything else without having your main router affected).
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Sun May 12, 2024 7:22 pm

So again: get some wires laid and install multiple APs, placed on trategic places
Or consider a Powerline plugged into mains. When these work, they work well and far easier than running cables.
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Sun May 12, 2024 7:24 pm

Try setting specific frequencies on the 5GHz interface. Tx power varies considerably by channel. in UK, 5500 is the highest Tx power for me on hAP ax2.
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Sun May 12, 2024 7:40 pm

Ok thanks for the tips. I should have bought the ax3 then... :/
For the record... I did not recommend that.

I recommend typical best practices. Place wired access points where you need coverage.
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Sun May 12, 2024 9:39 pm

I understand all of your points. After learning more about the topic I feel I am going to tinker more with the settings and position of the ax2. The house is not that big and having the doors open the range should be more imho. The house is old, but most of walls should be made from wood.

I found out that the other 2.4gHz network is actually the management WiFi of a Daikin A/C my grandparents have. I have steered clear of that range manually for now. Also because it is a rural area I am going to try to change the WiFi regulations options to not be my country - maybe I can crank the settings that way. As the nearest neighbors are a good distance away.

If this does not work out I'll try to move the ax2 to the middle of the house, although there is not good source of electricity there, so it will be a bit of a nuisance and probably the last option.

As I understand lowering the antenna-gain will boost the antenna range, is there a limit for the "highest power" setting on the ax2? E.g. setting it to 0 should make the signal the strongest ?
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Mon May 13, 2024 8:33 am

As I understand lowering the antenna-gain will boost the antenna range, is there a limit for the "highest power" setting on the ax2? E.g. setting it to 0 should make the signal the strongest ?

ax2 has (almost certainly) set min-antenna-gain property to whatever you can set the lowest value. And if you haven't set antenna-gain to something higher, changing it won't make Tx power any higher. Ditto for tx-power property, by default it's not limited due to explicit property setting. So by default, there are two causes for Tx power limitations:
  • country regulatory limit of EIRP
    you can try to lift that to higher level while being illegal (and you bear the consequences). You can go through list of countries and find one with most generous regulatory limits by running command /interface/wifi/radio/reg-info number=0 country=<country name> (where <country name> is country name properly capitalized, e.g. Brazil)
  • chipset capabilities
    power varies according to MCS value (i.e. air interface rates) ... and you can't do anything about it, so this is the hard limit of Tx power. The table is available on product page.
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Mon May 13, 2024 8:40 am

set country USA
 
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Re: hAP ax2 - best WiFi configuration for range?

Mon May 13, 2024 8:51 am

set country USA

If one is located in one of ETSI countries, then setting to "United States" will prevent them to use otherwise legal channels 12 and 13 (on 2.4GHz band). The example I provided is better than US in this aspect. It does miss U-NII-4 channels, but these tend to make problems these days (not many clients support them).

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