📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Railander · Fri Sep 27, 2024 11:19 pm

RouterOS can produce some really big log messages now.
Would it be possible when opening a log message window, instead of having a very long window to have the message instead have automatic line breaks to fit in the box vertically?
Additionally, would it be possible to have the same line break feature when selecting the log message in the logs window if it's too long to fit horizontally?

AdminioBanderas · Fri Sep 27, 2024 11:21 pm

Where and how can I switch between open windows? Is it really that hard to implement? You could add a full taskbar at the bottom of the main window, just above the status bar, like in Microsoft Windows. For widescreen monitors, this would be much more convenient than the way it was done in Winbox version 3.x. Also, please add a keyboard shortcut to cycle through open windows. Thanks for making it multiplatform—we’ve been waiting for this for years.

ZPrime · Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:32 am

Not sure when it was fixed, but beta8 is working correctly with RADIUS credentials.
In dark mode, selection highlight in some input fields (like filter box) is very difficult to distinguish, at least on macOS (and I have higher-end displays that are rather color-accurate).

I would still like some additional way to filter/sort the Connection screen; a tree or folders would be really helpful, but I don't expect that to happen during this beta period. 😉

I am not a fan of all of the wasted space on the right side of many windows either, but that is a relatively minor complaint. MT team is doing great work here, keep it up!

MTNick · Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:13 am

This means that beta releases of Winbox should not be used to manage remote devices/systems.
Hold on. If you enter a command into the Terminal, it's the CLI that deleted those things, not poor WinBox! WinBox4 is just running a terminal session for you. It's the find command that not doing what you expect, and may be a different problem. Winbox3 would do same here, since it's just running same terminal to RouterOS shell.

Amm0, I enjoy the humor lol. I had some time to try & reproduce this on a test router. Loaded up some dynamic lists. Ran the command & it worked as intended. Tried it roughly 10 times. Must've just been a fluke one off, that severely angered me. Back to using Winbox4 beta...

Amm0 · Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:42 am

Must've just been a fluke one off, that severely angered me. Back to using Winbox4 beta...

FWIW, if that's in some scheduled script, I'd add some "... print" before remove - just possibly prevent stale/in-flight config/realtime data from being used (i.e. kinda like F5 in winbox gets a refresh /ip/tables...). It's not first report of dynamic=yes troubles in address-list since it's a lot of dynamic data...

MTNick · Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:30 am

Must've just been a fluke one off, that severely angered me. Back to using Winbox4 beta...
FWIW, if that's in some scheduled script, I'd add some "... print" before remove - just possibly prevent stale/in-flight config/realtime data from being used (i.e. kinda like F5 in winbox gets a refresh /ip/tables...). It's not first report of dynamic=yes troubles in address-list since it's a lot of dynamic data...

Amm0, thanks for that info. That's good to know for sure. I did run it from scripts, not scheduled though. I edit the name of the list I want to delete & just run it.

teslasystems · Sat Sep 28, 2024 5:52 am

Yes, Windows 7 was released in 2009, which is 15 years ago. To run WinBox 4 you need Windows 10.
LibreOffice even the latest version can still run on Windows 7. Just an example of large and complex software where this was still possible. Is this really so difficult? I now have Windows 10 on one machine but I don't like it. If there is no other way, will rather migrate the old but still usable machines from Win7 to Debian instead. Please reconsider.

+1. It doesn't matter, when it was released, it's still used on lots of machines.

DjM · Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:55 am

... You could add a full taskbar at the bottom of the main window, just above the status bar, like in Microsoft Windows. ...

This would be great, I like this feature in Android app.

Chaosphere64 · Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:56 am

RouterOS can produce some really big log messages now.
Would it be possible when opening a log message window, instead of having a very long window to have the message instead have automatic line breaks to fit in the box vertically?
Additionally, would it be possible to have the same line break feature when selecting the log message in the logs window if it's too long to fit horizontally?

And/or a copy to clipboard button ...

korg · Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:09 am

OS / version give more clues... Did it work in previous beta before?
No, it has never worked... winbox4 never worked.. 3.xx is working.. .it is windows10, 22H2 Version...
There are no additional infos.. when i click on winbox4.exe.. it happenes nothing!
Adding a screenshot of the processes...

No hints whatsoever? Again, i can not start winbox 4 b8. I see it in the processes but the app does not open...

smileymattj · Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:29 am

Thanks for WinBox 4.

Praises:

- Dark Mode - YaY
- Global Inline / hide password settings
- Resources default to being displayed (old versions you had to add each individual piece)
- Tabbed view is back :)

Some suggestions:

- Could you add Router architecture and version back to title bar? I see it at the bottom, but title bar area is where I'm used to looking for at a glance.
- Log - Red/blue missing from critical and warning messages.
- Can't adjust comment column width initially, have to click the column header first, then it allows to adjust width. Should be able to adjust immediately like the other columns.
- Clicking the Comments column header appears to have 3 different modes based on the icon change. But doesn't explain what they are.
- Multiple selections - Can't hold shift and use arrows to make multiple row selections
- Column ordering - Can't drag columns left or right to make custom order
- Search/Find missing
- Right click menu - Show Categories and Detail Mode Missing
- Notes - Missing show at CLI login option
- Connection (opening window) - Group/Note/RoMon Agent columns seems to be missing
- Connection (opening window) - Open in new window missing
- Disconnect button at top is missing hover-over tooltip to explain what it is. I know now what it is, but helpful for first time users.
- Don't forget about BSD, I use all platforms. All good for different reasons/purposes. Would be nice to have at least a FreeBSD binary.
- WinBox 3 and older seems more responsive. I do a lot of administering remotely, desktop sharing. WinBox 3 was very light and optimized. It's one of the most responsive programs that's still maintained today. Could WinBox 4 continue that responsiveness? One of MikroTik's strengths is how responsive WinBox is. Probably a result of it still being in beta. But just wanted to mention it before it gets too far. Hate seeing when software is revamped, but the best features of old versions are lost.

Maybe check others opinions on these suggestions:

Alternating row background colors is good, but kinda miss grid lines. Maybe a good way to make everyone happy, have it in settings to toggle on/off these. Be able to use it however; make them independent of the other choice. So user could have them on or off, both on, both off, however they like.

The New, Enable, Disable, Remove order to me seems harder to at a glance see. I know you're trying to put remove at the end because it's distructive. But New and Remove grouped together, then some separation space, then Enable and Disable grouped together makes more sense to me. Disable is usually a temporary action that is reversed by enable. So I feel those grouped together makes sense. Creating and remove is also related, so I think those grouped together makes more sense than putting the other options between them.

Comments input box are single line in Winbox4. Winbox3 and older were multiple lines. Might mess some people's comments up.

Lots of right-click actions missing. Most are still there, but accessed a different way. But maybe see if others want multiple ways to access those options.

Good work. Not complaining, just trying to provide feedback/constructive criticism.

Paternot · Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:51 am

Up until... 4.6? Recently, anyway. If I resized the main window - not the internal "sub windows" - the program crashed. Not anymore - this is getting better and better!
Linux, OpenSuse Leap 15.6, X11, NVidia proprietary drivers 550.107.02, RTX 3060 12GB, KDE.

smileymattj · Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:37 am

Would be really nice if we also get genuine mac-telnet text mode application from Mikrotik...

Second this

There has been progress with the community version. It's back working now. But not being directly from MikroTik, it's subject to breaking without notice at anytime, and no ETA on fix. Not the community's fault. And not MikroTik's fault. Just the way things happen when two groups aren't working together.

Can launch terminal directly from dude. Which is a nice feature. But that's not pure CLI only. It's GUI based.

spippan · Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:42 pm

@normis Winbox 4 beta 6

Can't add new interface lists. I can create them in the terminal and then add / remove members in Winbox but can't create a new list.

works in beta8

Joseph · Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:02 pm

For what is the "Workspace", when I can't sort items according to this list???
And again, I still can't save devices with the same IP address in different workspace/location...
Why?

winap · Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:27 pm

Latest Beta and still incorrect czech language. In old version was all fine.
Still get this icons: ???? meanwhile this : ěščřžýáíé
Thank you very much for repair it.

jessearcher · Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:35 am

Have updated to Beta 8, still getting error "Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout" when trying to access a device via L2.

I don't have firewall enabled on my mac.

Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:52 am

Latest Beta and still incorrect czech language. In old version was all fine.
Still get this icons: ???? meanwhile this : ěščřžýáíé
Thank you very much for repair it.

You need to enter the text again. Importing of text that was entered in WinBox3 will not be supported, as the old WinBox did not store text properly.

Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:53 am

Have updated to Beta 8, still getting error "Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout" when trying to access a device via L2.

I don't have firewall enabled on my mac.

Is the router directly connected to your compuer, or there are devices in between? In general MAC address connection works fine, so it is something with your setup. Note that the MAC connection should ONLY be used for recovery, not as a daly way to connect.

Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:54 am

For what is the "Workspace", when I can't sort items according to this list???
And again, I still can't save devices with the same IP address in different workspace/location...
Why?

Workspace has no relation to your IP. It is a way to organize windows. You can make a Workspace for managing wireless settings, and save only wireless, logs, scan window etc. to be opened. IT will work regardless of device you are connected to. You can connect to a router, and then switch between workspaces while still connected to the same router.

Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:57 am

korg - we can't help with this information. It works for others using the same operating system, so it could be something in your computer that is causing the issue. try to disable antivirus, firewall, check if you have administratative privileges. Try another PC.

shulfei · Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:42 am

Excellent work.
Special thanks for the dark mode.
Desirable improvements:
- enable the "windows" menu item to switch between windows
- apply one workspace to many connections at once
- ability to import and export all program settings, including: hotkeys, hosts, workspaces, ...
- when selecting text in the terminal - immediately copy it to the clipboard (for example, like in putty)
- authorization window: add "groups" to additional host properties
- authorization window: display all columns in the saved hosts table, like in neighbors

Waiting for fixes. I don't use the old version anymore.

anc · Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:58 pm

Today I checked out the new version and it looks awesome! 👍
Let me add my two cents about my expectations.
I look how many people also wrote about the need to return groups to the main menu but it would be great better if there was an option to add the necessary columns by yourself. And I really looking forward to finally being able to make a full-fledged portable version via .ini file or something like that!

Joseph · Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:16 pm

For what is the "Workspace", when I can't sort items according to this list???
And again, I still can't save devices with the same IP address in different workspace/location...
Why?
Workspace has no relation to your IP. It is a way to organize windows. You can make a Workspace for managing wireless settings, and save only wireless, logs, scan window etc. to be opened. IT will work regardless of device you are connected to. You can connect to a router, and then switch between workspaces while still connected to the same router.

Ok, now when I know how, it works ;-)
But, it will be very helpful if it were possible to save and sort devices (IP addresses) according to locations/Sites.
Currently, it is not possible to save different devices (with different credentials) with the same IP address.

ricky011 · Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:03 pm

This problem does not appear when connecting to devices with 7.16 on them

referring to the torch tcpmux problem, I can confirm that the problem is gone on 7.16... not the solution I was hoping for, but...

Amm0 · Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:37 pm

feature request - Support Apple Passwords/Keychain/Secure Enclave to store RouterOS username/passwords

Since we now have a native app, it be nice if I could read/store the RouterOS creds with all my other passwords in the Keychain used by iOS/MacOS. To me, this is more secure, than some encrypted file - but just my opinion (& not saying it should replace the file-based scheme).

But for your users in the Apple ecosystem... this allow the same credential store to be used with both winbox and webfig and Apple-based mobile apps (if done right). Since Apple can sync the keychain between devices, this allow for "automatic sharing" of the RouterOS passwords, regardless of the interface (webfig, WinBox4, apps) - at least between Apple devices using them. WinBox would need to make the right call to read/store the password in Keychain, but iCloud/MacOS/iOS will deal with them from there.

And since there may be one stored from webfig already (since it already support keychain via Safari doing it for webfig) - even if WinBox4 just read those keychain-saved one, that be helpful – even if it did not have the feature to write them (initially ;)).

i.e. if some future WinBox4 on MacOS used keychain & iCloud Keychain was enabled(which I think is a default)... Then the BTH / mobile app could use the ones saved by WinBox4 (or webfig).

rwmajx · Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:52 pm

Excellent work!
I just noticed a bug. In Winbox 4.0beta8, the Bridge Port in IP-DHCP Server-Leases shows unknown, while it is normal in Winbox 3.41.

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wispmikrotik · Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:04 am

Hi Normis,

Do you have an ETA for adding the following features?

 - Missing tree view of sub-items in tables, like VLANs, Queues, etc.
 - Log, Ping etc. windows don't automatically go to end of entries

As you indicated in your first post, the changes must be "agile" since you programmed it from scratch.

Thanks.
Regards,

markom · Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:42 am

I will stay with current "ugly" version of winbox. I am too old (43), to change habits. This new version of winbox looks like cheep Chinese web interface for some 20EUR aliexpress router. Generally, I cant understand why everybody have intention to broke something that works well, Microsoft, Apple, Cpanel/Plesk..... The existence of product is becoming the purpose of the own. New features, optimizations, cross platform and again optimization should be the main goal, not new looking style. All IT industry, after been take over from boys and girls with nice haircut and nice dressing, going to hell. I miss time when enthusiastic engineers decide what is good and what is bad and what is going out to public. This version of winbox look like cheep ugly web tool.

gigabyte091 · Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:48 am

Honestly, I see nothing wrong with old Winbox (I saved 3.41 just in case Mikrotik decide to pull it off the download page) but times are changing and Mikrotik is targeting professionals as well as home users and they love fancy GUI, one touch wizards etc etc. so they need to stay in the race with other brands. (Look at ubiquiti, tp link, alta labs for eg.)

Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:01 am

What's new in v4.0beta9:

- return ESC shortcut to close sub windows
- add support for Groups for Saved router list in Login window
- add support to import Saved address list .cdb file (NOTE: old .wbx file type is deprecated. This means exported Winbox 3 file won't work, use .cdb file).
- add support for opening (changing database path) Saved address lists in login view
- fix crash when restoring workspace where opened object's id has changed its type
- Login window improved layout of saving password versus remembering last used password
- restore comment field text in Login view when reopening window
- store selected Workspace for Saved routers, and restore when selecting (in Login view)
- make form background a little bit lighter in light mode

stmx38 · Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:09 am

I have no saved addresses and beta9 shows me "Loading address db failed:" on each run.

Screenshot 2024-10-02 at 11.07.00.png

saahil · Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:17 am

Thank you for finally adding the ESC to close windows, please add SEARCH [FIND] box on the sub windows

grusu · Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:19 am

Hi Normis,

It is possible that the firmware version also appears in Neighbors list?

Thanks,
Geo

markom · Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:32 am

Any kind of router, Tp-link, UBQ, Netgear... will never be configured by any people who does not now what are they doing.
Only out of the box plug and play devices will be used by home users. If I took my neighboring peoples (wife, kids, relatives, parents...) They don't know anything beyond search for WIFI SSID and type password for that network. Setting up mail client is biond any kind of comprehensive knowledge. Migrating from one android phone to another is out of question and they always looking for someone other to do their current problem. Working meny years in high level of IT support even highly educated people are idiots for anything out of their job. If you move icon of AutoCAD from upper left do down right corner that’s it, they will call you and start shouting at you that they can’t do their job. In recent years I have a lot of jobs for IT companies who hire a hundred of programing business peoples, software developing companies. Those super workers don’t know to make 10 clicks to create vpn, or to configure email client, not now even with detailed instructions how to map network drive or some simple jobs. And I am in IT word sine late '90. Hero times. sorry. No need for Mikrotik or any other to make stuff for home users, or to do "nice" things for us because in any way or other the job will be done by some1 who is piss off by changing the way the tools are working for last 20 years.

mozerd · Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:45 am

What's new in v4.0beta9:

I always check logs and disappointed that the log window still does not scroll with up-arrow-keys down-arrow-keys plus the log window should always open at last log entry
For me Logs is a priority ,,, hopefully its a priority with your dev team ...

So the up-arrow-keys down-arrow-keys do not scroll ANY of the windows .... wow ... I guess the keyboard has a lot of work yet to be done ... shocking !!!

Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:46 am

markom, Winbox4 has no "nice" wizard and tutorial things in it. It has all the same functionality as Winbox3, so please take your baseless complaints elsewhere.

markom · Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:05 pm

@normis. This is not " your baseless complaints".
Sorry to hurt your filings with my opinion as customer, to your new product.
Winbox4 is slow to work with, ugly by my personal opinion and unnecessary waste of your time witch can be used for more bug fix and optimization.
But on the other hand I now that you have app design department and they need to justify they monthly income.
That's it I am leaving the chat about this topic.

infabo · Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:16 pm

Winbox 4 does not introduce any feature or anything for a "home user". As the super-pro user since '90 you can still find the settings where they have been in Winbox 3.x. Ridiculous complaint.

If you move icon of AutoCAD from upper left do down right corner that’s it, they will call you and start shouting at you that they can’t do their job.

This is the funny double standards part: complaining about people getting lost when AutoCAD icon is not located at usual position on their desktop. But on the other hand freaking out, when Mikrotik applies a new GUI on Winbox - where fundamental functionality wasn't changed at all.

pe1chl · Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:52 pm

@normis. This is not " your baseless complaints".
Sorry to hurt your filings with my opinion as customer, to your new product.

Well, it is baseless when it is a complaint about winbox functionality, as winbox is just a GUI on top of RouterOS functionality.
I certainly see how MikroTik could benefit from a wizard-based configuration capability of their routers, to make them competing with other manufacturers, but at this moment that is not the scope of winbox.
(maybe in the future?)

nichky · Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:31 pm

@markom does anyone force you to use winbox 4?
Still you have options to use winbox 3.
Be honest for some troubleshooting i found easy to work on winbox3, but the new one looks pretty solid

Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:32 pm

Thank you for all the hard work and improvements Mikrotik crew.

Jotne · Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:42 pm

@normis not a big request, but could you post the new release in exact the same format as routerOS? like this:

What's new in v4.0beta9:

*) return ESC shortcut to close sub windows;
*) add support for Groups for Saved router list in Login window;
*) add support to import Saved address list .cdb file (NOTE: old .wbx file type is deprecated. This means exported Winbox 3 file won't work, use .cdb file).;
*) add support for opening (changing database path) Saved address lists in login view;
*) fix crash when restoring workspace where opened object's id has changed its type;
*) Login window improved layout of saving password versus remembering last used password;
*) restore comment field text in Login view when reopening window;
*) store selected Workspace for Saved routers, and restore when selecting (in Login view);
*) make form background a little bit lighter in light mode;

Where *) are small changes and !) are larger or important changes. Also add ; at end of line.

gmsmstr · Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:56 pm

Yes YES YES yes YES!! Yeppy!!!!

Groups are a requirement for most consultants to organize their router list :) Thank you MikroTik!!!

And ESC shortcut is just icing on the cake!!

I think I can start using this now!!

What's new in v4.0beta9:

- return ESC shortcut to close sub windows
- add support for Groups for Saved router list in Login window
- add support to import Saved address list .cdb file (NOTE: old .wbx file type is deprecated. This means exported Winbox 3 file won't work, use .cdb file).
- add support for opening (changing database path) Saved address lists in login view
- fix crash when restoring workspace where opened object's id has changed its type
- Login window improved layout of saving password versus remembering last used password
- restore comment field text in Login view when reopening window
- store selected Workspace for Saved routers, and restore when selecting (in Login view)
- make form background a little bit lighter in light mode

CuriousPotato · Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:04 pm

Congrats on the new WinBox! Love it so far, and I think it's going to turn out great.

I would love to see tabs for different connections. E.g. instead of having to open new windows for each connection, having them all grouped in a tab bar would be great. Similar to how it works with browsers. So having the option to use windows or tabs depending on what you prefer.

afshar · Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:08 pm

In winbox 9, at quick set menu, Local clients section is empty (I tested winbox 4 beta 9 linux version)

Nevon · Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:55 pm

Would it be possible to do some "range" update function? Like update several interfaces with same update information. Or add multipl interfaces to bridge?

Amm0 · Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:17 pm

- return ESC shortcut to close sub windows

I like the ESC to close — but my issue is that is closes dialogs that are dirty (have changes, but no "apply").

ESC should not close a dialog if it causes data loss. Perhaps it could prompt to apply it before closing would work too. But right now ESC is too aggressive at closing.

Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:23 pm

Good point, Amm0

teslasystems · Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:15 pm

UPD: I found, that the bug with lines thickness that I mentioned in #993 (viewtopic.php?t=210505&start=900#p1097187) is only visible on scaled displays. In my case it's 150%. With 100% scale there is no problem. I mean system scaling, not WinBox scaling.

pe1chl · Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:21 pm

That is not a bug, that is a feature of scaled displays. When you scale a single-pixel line by 150%, what else is it supposed to do than randomly making it 1 or 2 pixels thick?

KisukeCZE · Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:28 pm

I found one small issue. When I am creating logging action in /system/logging/action via GUI in Winbox4, and leave Syslog severity empty, Winbox4 produces this:

/system logging action add bsd-syslog=yes name=syslog1 remote=1.1.1.1 syslog-facility=local6 syslog-severity=emergency target=remote

If I do the same in old Winbox3, result is this:

/system logging action add bsd-syslog=yes name=syslog1 remote=1.1.1.1 syslog-facility=local6 target=remote

I am quite unsure if it has some real effect. But I wonder why it behaves differently.

jmrackley1 · Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:12 am

When I launch WinBox 4 beta 9 on Windows 10 Pro Version 22H2, it is locked into full screen mode and I cannot change it. Toggling the Maximize/RestoreDown button has no effect. I dropped back to WinBox 4 beta 8, and it does the same thing. Both versions work fine on Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2.

lilianmoraru · Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:36 am

I have no saved addresses and beta9 shows me "Loading address db failed:" on each run.

Screenshot 2024-10-02 at 11.07.00.png

I'll double this one.
On Linux: had no saved addresses and it throws this error on every start.
On macOS: had 1 saved address, removed it(empty list now) - in this situation it does Not throw this error.

Basically: WinBox4 most probably needs to attempt to create a DB, even empty(the situation mentioned on macOS), if it doesn't exist, instead of throwing the error.

KiwiBloke · Thu Oct 03, 2024 3:41 am

@normis, it's so good to see Winbox v4 moving ahead at pace.

I wonder whether you (MT) have considered creating a roadmap to show users which beta versions are expected to address bugs or issues that are still unresolved? The roadmap wouldn't have to have times associated with them, just an indication which beta version is likely to have the fix to specific reported issues.

Having such a roadmap would reduce the repetitive posts here because users would be able to see which beta is likely to address their issue.

For example, I'm really only waiting for the LTE signal graphs to come back, but if I could see that wasn't going to be addressed until v4beta11, then I wouldn't likely comment but wait until beta11. Similarly, if users were waiting for shortcuts to return, rather than continually requesting them they could just check the roadmap and see it should be addressed in, say, beta 12. It would save a lot of unnecessary repetition IMO.

Thoughts?

Cheers.

teslasystems · Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:28 am

That is not a bug, that is a feature of scaled displays. When you scale a single-pixel line by 150%, what else is it supposed to do than randomly making it 1 or 2 pixels thick?

No comments... If you are not familiar with app development, pls don't post such a stupid assumptions.

nishadul · Thu Oct 03, 2024 1:51 pm

I am not finding windows in left side menu bar

nmt1900 · Thu Oct 03, 2024 2:47 pm

Now only RoMON agent field is missing from device list view...

pekr · Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:45 pm

I somehow miss the point of a recent Group implementation? It allows just sorting / filtering, but - where is the ability to segment the list, e.g. using separators like with old Winbox, or a collapsible sections, as with mobile apps?

Edified · Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:24 pm

Beta9 Request: If the Saved list is encrypted please start with the focus on the Saved list Password: field instead of Connect to.

Almost always if I create a New Winbox it's so I can connect to a different router in my encrypted saved list. Same thing at startup, I rarely connect to the same unit, and even if I did I need the saved list to retrieve the password anyway. This will save me from moving keys to mouse back to keys back to mouse.

BTW, the new "Remember password" vs "Save to list with password" layout works great! Thanks, beta9 is working well!

jecoronas · Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:37 pm

Great design, but i'm still waiting for simple queues sorting by names like winbox 3. Check the images below...

KiwiBloke · Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:42 pm

Where is the ability to segment the list, e.g. using separators like with old Winbox...

Yes. This!

While I'm incredibly thankful for the group's return, it seems unfinished without the v3 type separators. Please add separators to help define groupings.

Cheers.

cdman · Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:56 pm

I am trying to use the new Winbox 4 for 3rd time now in 10 days, so far not working for me.

1. I managed to import somehow my address-list with more than 500 devices. But WBX files don't work ? ( old format )

2. when I have list imported, I can't search in it. I see some idea for filter, but it does not work for me at all. Spend more than 20 mins looking and fooling arround - no joy.

So far so good, going back to winbox3 - and waiting.

I think you guys really need to check transition between v3 and v4 - all mirkotik core users here use winbox for years, so we need to transfer our old lists to the new v4 and then we can check and test. So far this is very hard.

KiwiBloke · Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:05 am

I1. I managed to import somehow my address-list with more than 500 devices. But WBX files don't work ? ( old format )

Normis addressed this in the release notes of beta9. Scroll back a bit, you'll see it there.

MTNick · Fri Oct 04, 2024 4:38 am

Greetings normis. Updated to beta9 on MacOS 15.0.1. The firewall address list. If sorting the list, and you go to another tab, the list defaults to alphabetical order. The sorting isn't being saved. I don't believe it was doing this prior to beta8, but noticed it in beta8 & is the same in beta9.

Thanks for the improvements. Winbox4 beta is shaping nicely. Visibility in light mode is much better

Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:41 am

Unable to repeat the issue, sorted filter rules by interface, went to NAT, went back to filter, rules still sorted by interface. Maybe something specific in your case, email some screenshots to support please

dave3 · Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:46 am

WinBox 4.0 beta 9, on Linux (Debian/i3) still has a problem with window selection. If I click on a foreground window, and there is another window underneath it, it selects the background window underneath it instead.

Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:56 am

dave3, could you include more info, what window manager are you using, OS version etc. and send a video to support?

dave3 · Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:50 pm

I'm using Debian 12 with the i3 window manager. I opened a ticket and sent a video to support. Thanks.

MTNick · Fri Oct 04, 2024 3:19 pm

Unable to repeat the issue, sorted filter rules by interface, went to NAT, went back to filter, rules still sorted by interface. Maybe something specific in your case, email some screenshots to support please

Greetings normis. I was referring to the firewall filter address-lists, not the rules. Sort the address list by IP. Go into another tab, the address-list will revert back to alphabetical order.

Default view - IP's are out of order, not sorted in numerical order, only in alphabetical list-name order.

Screenshot 2024-10-04 at 8.16.37 AM.png

Sorted by IP & then list-name alphabetical order. Look at both the list-name & IP's, they are in order.

Screenshot 2024-10-04 at 8.17.29 AM.png

Go to another tab & back to address-list, and it reverts back to list-name alphabetical order. The IP's are no longer in numerical order.

Screenshot 2024-10-04 at 8.18.09 AM.png

Edified · Fri Oct 04, 2024 8:48 pm

Beta9 Request: Improve Context Menu Availability
There are a few places that context menus are missing items or missing altogether where they would be very useful (edit: as I write this I realize that most of these can be generally applied instead of just the cases I list)

Firewall Rules only have "Action" but are missing Enable/Disable, New, New Here (above), Duplicate, Duplicate Here, Comment, Remove
Firewall Address Lists especially needs "Duplicate"
Bridge Ports needs "Duplicate"
Default Config Display allows admins to select the config text but they can't copy it. Ideally we could edit it right there but at least copy is needed.

joshhboss · Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:04 pm

SOOOOO grateful to be able to get to my dropbox where now I can load and manage my lists in realtime.. so that has me definitely working with it a lot more..

But I do Miss "Windows" so I could flip back and forth between windows/terminals that im working on.. Maybe there is a way to do it now but I have been messing with it and I can not get it

Edified · Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:06 pm

In Beta9 if I have created a bunch of Address List entries (lets say 7) by using the Duplicate button and then I want to accept them all sequentially on the keyboard I would like to press enter 7 times.

When I do it only works for the first window, after which the next windows in the stack correctly gains focus (blue title bar) but pressing enter does nothing.

Apparently the enter key only works if a form element in the window is focused, but if only the window is focused pressing enter doesn't do anything.

Expected behavior: The enter key should be behave the same as pressing the OK button on the focused window, even if no form element is selected.

Incidentally Esc key still works so maybe use that as a reference for how to implement the Enter key.

I suggest that:

Esc -> Cancel
Enter -> OK
Control-Enter -> Accept (and don't close the window)

And just do that everywhere the buttons show up.

chojrak11 · Sat Oct 05, 2024 12:05 am

Dear Mikrotik. Thank you for Beta9, it's getting better and better.

Here's the thing that annoys me. I'm using keyboard (up/down) here. The cursor line gets out of view and the window contents should just scroll to make it always visible.

As for the "comment confusion". For login page the comments (previously known as Note) should be inline (or configurable separately from the comments after logging in), i.e. in Winbox 3 the Note was just a column and it was great, but after logging in comments were preceding lines to which they belonged. Look for the screenshots below.

antonme · Sat Oct 05, 2024 12:06 am

The progress of Winbox 4 beta versions is impressive. However, several issues still lead me to often use the older Winbox 3.x via Wine on macOS:

Quick search functionality is missing (already acknowledged, but critical);

Scrolling on macOS feels non-native and slow, both with a trackpad and mouse. While there is some inertia, it doesn't behave like other Mac applications, making the experience feel unnatural;

Firewall rule copying places the new rule at the end, not adjacent to the original;

No 'Select All' shortcut or UI element available;

When dragging multiple firewall rules, only the first line moves;

In firewall rule editing, sub-block states (e.g., 'Action') aren't preserved between edits. This was less problematic with the previous tab-based design, but with the new layout, it's more irritating to reopen these sections for each edit.

dang21000 · Sat Oct 05, 2024 12:51 am

Features Request :

In interfaces window :
* add one tab per interfaces type, at this time there only a limited type, no ipipv6, no gre6, no eoip6 tab
* separate interfaces lists in a separate window, like done with switch content now splitted in 4 menus/4window
* separate detect-internet feature in a separate window too

mmtik · Sat Oct 05, 2024 8:18 am

After "Connect to RoMON" - need two "bottons":
- Refresh RoMON Neighbors
- Connect in New Window

deejaysanoj · Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:14 am

the search button or find on <hotspot><user> seems not visible for example i want to find my generated users name and voucherscode hope this will be fix soon.

Virsacer · Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:40 am

Hi,
thanks for fixing

And when I click an item from the saved list, it automatically sets the "Keep password" - No, dont do that! I have the sessions in the encrypted list so that you have to authenticate first.

Can you also address these, please?

When I start WinBox, the password input for the saved session has no focus - so I have to click there first before typing.
After decrypting there is no focus on the list, so I cant use the arrow keys (and enter key) to select (and connect).
The theme is not used: I have hidden the "QuickSet", but WinBox displays the button in the menu.

And can you add different colors for kbps, Mbps, Gbps in the Interfaces List? (like the linux tool "dstat" http://dag.wiee.rs/home-made/dstat )
That would make it easier to recognize when the values/units change quickly.

Also I miss windows popping up centered - Can you add a button or something to center a window or to reset saved positions for a window-type?
And I dont see a window-switcher so when a window is hidden behind another one I cant bring it to front...

PapsGrey · Sat Oct 05, 2024 10:16 pm

We need the "find" search bar back. The 'find' makes life simple.
Its difficult to use this new version because its has no find. Using "filter" for "find" purposes is boring.

JustoStyle · Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:34 am

Great work so far from the team,

Just a couple of things to note

- No secondary sort on login menu for saved routers. As a consultant i like to sort saved address by group then address.
- No indent for slave interfaces. e.g. when a vlan is on an interface it used to be indented under that interface in the all interfaces menu.

HiltonT · Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:37 am

I just downloaded and ran this for the first time, and I have to say that it made me all juicy in the nether regions... Well done on an awesome looking update (not to mention a Linux-native app). :)

kissarmy · Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:25 am

I can not connect to any ma routerboards in local network if I have configured proxy in Windows. Winbox don't need proxy for this connections. Winbox need proxy only for check new version of Winbox and update it.

fmarais007 · Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:53 pm

Firstly, it looks great I love it, and i'm almost using it full time now.

Picked up one small bug so far:
IP > Firewall > Connections, entries missing where there are lots of connections.
Old Winbox have a "There are too many records..." "Or click here..." message, but not on the new version.

I also would like a way to open, from the address list, into a new window directly.
This will ease up the amount of times I need to enter a password to gain access to the address list to log into another MikroTik.

Many thanks

WalterH · Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:52 pm

I can not connect to any ma routerboards in local network if I have configured proxy in Windows. Winbox don't need proxy for this connections. Winbox need proxy only for check new version of Winbox and update it.

I have the same issue, I am behind a proxy but Winbox port do not need a proxy. I did not find a way how to disable proxy in Winbox.
I hope Mikrotik will add a setting to disable proxy.

Amm0 · Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:08 pm

IDK your OS... but why not exempt *.mikrotik.com in the network settings for the proxy?

Amm0 · Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:58 pm

I also had [yet] another idea / feature request:

"Terminal" window should be dockable – similar to how a browser's "Inspect" window works (or VSCode, etc.). And since we lost "Windows" option on left to see the window list...my terminal windows keep getting lost behind a see of various other dialogs.

Related, arguable a bug
Re-sizing winbox smaller... you can getting "hidden"/unaccessible windows
Issue: This is kinda bad with "singleton windows" (where an existing window is re-used, /ip/address be one)... since it was opened before winbox getting shrunk, the window will not appear (since it's outside the current viewport).
Easy to repo: with big window move /ip/address to bottom right corner; shrunk windows; go to /ip/address from left – no window shows. If you forgot you made winbox4 small, you'd swear it didn't work.
Expected: If these "singleton windows" are re-selected and off-screen...they'd ideally moved to the current view.

2nd bug here
When winbox is too small to show all of the sandwich settings dialog... it does not scroll & some options become hidden below the bottom.

joshhboss · Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:24 am

I also had [yet] another idea / feature request:

"Terminal" window should be dockable – similar to how a browser's "Inspect" window works (or VSCode, etc.). And since we lost "Windows" option on left to see the window list...my terminal windows keep getting lost behind a see of various other dialogs.

Exactly what is happening to me..

densenator · Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:01 pm

Need colors in log. Like Red for errors and other.

spippan · Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:33 pm

Need colors in log. Like Red for errors and other.

+2
still not (re)implemented

and also finally a TIMEOUT when moving the mouse between menu items on the left (like, not instant. a short delay when moving between e.g. MPLS and Routing entries

shahro0z · Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:38 pm

Please add control over using or not using system proxy setting.

wispmikrotik · Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:51 pm

Need colors in log. Like Red for errors and other.
+2
still not (re)implemented

and also finally a TIMEOUT when moving the mouse between menu items on the left (like, not instant. a short delay when moving between e.g. MPLS and Routing entries

+3
It also needs to be implemented as soon as possible:

Missing tree view of sub-items in tables, like VLANs, Queues, etc.

atomicduck · Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:45 am

Hello MikroTik guys,

I have been testing WinBox 4.0 beta9 and I see some stuff have improved since last time I tried. It is good that you have returned with the tabs and overall stability is better.

However, all in all I can't say that I like the new WinBox. It has some nice features, but is all does not feel like a tool for professionals, but like a toy like Aruba for example. My colleagues have the same opinion.

I wold pretty much preferred that you just changed the engine, make the new product look the same, but improved on few bits that needed work. That's it.

dang21000 · Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:12 pm

Feature request : add connection to the device status... and don't close immediately winbox when connection is lost between winbox and device.

Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:09 am

no color in the logs ( only black ).

I often do log using normal black lines.

I often log using something like :
log error "*** write a red line in the logs - something is down ***"
for a red line in my logs.

I often log using something like :
:log warning "*** write a blue line in the logs - something is on-line***"
for a blue line in my logs.

Amm0 · Thu Oct 10, 2024 4:22 am

no color in the logs ( only black ).

+1 - Adding to @TomjNorthIdaho's point... it really does help operationally to quickly spot troubles. i.e. if you see a lot of red when scrolling logs, in just couple seconds... you know there is an issue.

On "colorization needs", I'd add:

- Log should parse ANSI color codes. I know Terminal ANSI support well, since my $PIANO script renders very nice in WinBox4. But WinBox3 never parsed ANSI code in logs... and some container end up with ANSI colors in log since "logs" often wired to stdout. This can sometimes be disabled, but it actually be better if WinBox4 actually support ANSI in log message.

- This one may be more controversial. Fonts always are. Perhaps the script/code editboxes (/system/script/source etc.) should use y'all standard JetBrain Mono font. I know winbox has historically used proportional fonts, but I don't think that's very easy to read. While the proportionally-spaced "Manrope" used for scripts does have same nifty -> ligature – which is a nice subtle touch – that however does not make it more readable for script code. I want monospaced font in those editboxes.

- Beyond fonts, but same /system/script (and similar) "code editbox"... While CLI "/system/script/edit script source" has supported colors – even with error-checking shown in reverse red when script is wrong – winbox has not ever. Given scripting has a learning curve & most new users likely use WinBox4's UI, than the Terminal — it's actually /system/script UI dialog where the colors and realtime error-checking be useful. Perhaps just a button to launch Terminal with current one show in Script dialog box opened be helpful. Anyway, the /system/script/edit is actually pretty useful to spot errors in scripts – but you get no help with that in any winbox today.

mmtik · Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:22 pm

Using "filter" for "find" purposes is boring.

Please simplify the Filter.

A bunch of parameters like:
in
not in
contains
contains not
is
not is

is confusing!

And they behave differently in different places

Found:

p1.png

Not Found:

p2.png

Found:

p3.png

Not Found:

p4.png

In most cases, what is of interest is the "occurrence" of the desired sequence.

In MAC addresses - searches by octets
In IP addresses - only the entire address

AdamT77 · Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:40 pm

does anyone know how to get tabs on sub menus, is there a setting I am missing? I see tabs on main menus but not sub menus (eg firewall rule), this is harder to view at a glance as you need to expand each section to see the action for example.

great work though otherwise.

Amm0 · Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:32 pm

does anyone know how to get tabs on sub menus, is there a setting I am missing? I see tabs on main menus but not sub menus (eg firewall rule), this is harder to view at a glance as you need to expand each section to see the action for example.

Oh you're not missing anything, MT only changed the "top-level" ones. But I too hope that something is done with dialogs boxes "sections". Especially /ip/firewall rules - the Action section – you need every time – but it's at the bottom and hidden.

While the mob (include me) has moved on the lack of "hierarchal list boxes" in /interface, and colors.... The "webfig style dialogs" are very annoying and need at least some improvements – or tabs (or tab-like things) again...as many comments pages ago here.

diamuxin · Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:54 pm

no color in the logs ( only black ).

+1

Institor · Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:32 am

I'm afraid it will stay in that design paradigm (unusable). There are zero indications of upcoming reasonable design changes so far. It's simply webfig.
Cannot comprehend the praises in this topic.

KiwiBloke · Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:54 am

Cannot comprehend the praises in this topic.

Because, some of us are not stuck in an immovable mind set unable to change.

I really like the way Winbox is evolving. Dark mode, and multi OS versions are winners and there will be more tweaks made to include missing features.

If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to use it and no one is forcing you to hang around on this thread. If it suits you better, stick with v.3.4.1. It isn't going anywhere.

KiwiBloke · Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:55 am

Cannot comprehend the praises in this topic.
Because, some of us are not stuck with an immovable mind set unable to change.

I really like the way Winbox is evolving. Dark mode, and multi OS versions are winners and there will be more tweaks made to include missing features.

If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to use it and no one is forcing you to hang around on this thread. If it suits you better, stick with v.3.4.1. It isn't going anywhere.

Institor · Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:50 am

Dark mode

means nothing if it's webfig-like interface.
My main complaint is gigantic margins and low contrast (= much more time to scroll and search for data).

genesispro · Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:30 pm

I will make one more suggestion but I really haven't read ALL comments to know if anyone else asked for it as well.
When you click on a menu on the left the submenu appears. While the submenu is open if I hover another menu it hides the one that was open and opens the one I am hovering.
I know it is weird but I think I have missed clicked already several times and I was on my desk. What will happen when I am standing on a rack holding my laptop on one hand and using the laptop's mouse pad? I tend to believe that the moment you open a menu you need to click somewhere before it hides and sticking to that menu's submenu

LatinSuD · Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:56 pm

Idea 1: Read-only mode.

When enabled, connection is made in read-only mode by default. If you want to change anything you have to switch to read-write mode.

This would prevent accidental modifications.

Idea 2: Menu search
Instead of learning the menus, let a menu search do the job.
Sometimes it is easy to write the menu than to browse it.
Example: Type "nat" instead of click ip->firewall->nat

machack · Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:07 pm

Yea, Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!! DUDE CLINET!!!! native for MacOK!!!

nmt1900 · Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:00 pm

I observed one unexpected thing - using Download action from Files menu causes different behaviour on different devices:
- devices with bigger storage: files are downloaded into selected directory as expected
- devices with 16 MB storage: files are downloaded into a /flash subdirectory of selected location (which will be created if missing).

I initially thought that downloads do not work at all until I noticed that /flash subdirectory on the computer. It happens in a same way for Mac and Windows.

rextended · Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:46 pm

Is correct, the "root" on flash device is mounted as /flash, anything outside /flash is just a ram-dirve

nmt1900 · Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:57 pm

Yes that is on the device. Winbox 4 does similar thing on to your computer as well with downloaded files. Winbox 3 does not do this.

joncolby · Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:05 pm

Crash on Windows 7 SP1 with popup message "Entry point not found: The entry point to the CreateDXGIFactory2 procedure was not found in the DLL dxgi.dll ."

I am having same problem. How do I get the correct files for windows 7 ?

pe1chl · Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:33 pm

I am having same problem. How do I get the correct files for windows 7 ?

Upgrade Windows. The program is not compatible with Windows 7.

elbob2002 · Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:36 pm

Crash on Windows 7 SP1 with popup message "Entry point not found: The entry point to the CreateDXGIFactory2 procedure was not found in the DLL dxgi.dll ."
I am having same problem. How do I get the correct files for windows 7 ?

Really? An operating system that is out of support? At a guess it's DirectX related so maybe Windows 7 doesn't support the required DirectX version.

silversword · Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:10 pm

Is there really no git repo/github...or modern known issues/feature request tracker for winbox4?

A manually updated list at the top of a 1315 reply forum post seems like a bonkers implementation considering we're almost 1/4 of the way thru the 21st century.

anav · Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:23 pm

Is there really no git repo/github...or modern known issues/feature request tracker for winbox4?

A manually updated list at the top of a 1315 reply forum post seems like a bonkers implementation considering we're almost 1/4 of the way thru the 21st century.

This is HOTEL Mikrotik, you can never leave!!

patrikg · Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:36 pm

This is HOTEL Mikrotik, you can never leave!!

Or even a Casino, there you are lost and can't/shouldn't find the exit.

Amm0 · Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:53 pm

This is HOTEL Mikrotik, you can never leave!!
Or even a Casino

Casinos also have no clocks, apparently also similar to Mikrotik.

ernieball17 · Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:01 am

Please add "open in new window" option

Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:17 am

Is there really no git repo/github...or modern known issues/feature request tracker for winbox4?

A manually updated list at the top of a 1315 reply forum post seems like a bonkers implementation considering we're almost 1/4 of the way thru the 21st century.

You do realize that WinBox 4 is not an open source project right ?

Let me know how you get on finding a GitHub repo for Cisco AnyConnect, FortiClient, CrowdStrike, Sentinel1...

karlisi · Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:53 am

This is HOTEL Mikrotik, you can never leave!!

Only check out any time you like :)

camarguesol · Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:21 pm

In Sept Smileymattj requested change to bring back Winbox 3 function
- Column ordering - Can't drag columns left or right to make custom order
Please can this be done soon. We use Comments to identify and describe 60+ clients routers daily. Was Note on Winbox 3

nmt1900 · Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:26 pm

Yes - column ordering is now one of biggest shortcomings left to resolve

suszi · Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:03 pm

Hi

Dont listen people saying "it is fine" but listen that complains, if they have something to say.
First of all, great work trying to rewrite the app.
I'm a software developer ;)
As a company, we maitain over a hundred of Mikrotik Devices, which we love

I used to the old UI, it is intuitive and fast, I know where to search for everything.
When do you plan to stop fixing and completly drop the v3 ?

now the "bad part"

app itself:
50MB instead of 2MB
UI looks "flat" - no contrasting UI elements,
no borders around clickable elements,
sometimes space is wased for round corners
memory usage 100MB vs 17MB old app

logon window:
1. app starts in fullcreen size but it is not maximized - annoying to resize it by border drag instead of maximize button
2. the "groups" now doesn't work like groups, just like another regular column with no effet of groupping
3. can't drag columns to reorder
4. controls are spread across the window - some on top, some on bottom, some on left and some on the right - try to keem tem together (easy to say)

quick set
everything is hidden now in some "accordion" control
horizontal space wasted - now everything is in one column, while the old app have the same in 1/4 of the screen fitting window

main app:
1. menu opening behavior
- old app click and click
- new app - click, hoover, take care not to get outside the window, find an option
if I click the menu item it have to remain open untli I click something else in the menu, or pick some option from that menu,
(hovering is website degin, not the app)
2. windows
- no dragable top bar if the tab list is full -> add some DRAG AREA
- resize behavior - try to resize the DHCP window for example -> long named tabs title is hidden behind another tab title while some short named tabs have space -> try to use existig space first, the hide text
- ACTIONS panel - it is a waste os space, if we work with tabular data, each pixel of width is important ->try to make the actions panel collapsible or move to top menu of the window
3. can't drag columns to reorder
3. resources panel at bottom - it was on top all the time, please ad it on top or add an option to customize

most of users are technical here,
IMO: technical people don't care much about the UI look, what we care is functionality and speed - if I can click twice instead of clicking 3 times - i will chose the option 1
and not messing with the UI too much - moving UI elements around, placing option inside different menus etc.

seems like the new app could be replacing WEBFIG, but then it should not be called an app\
what framework it uses?
will you consider allow to create "themes" - like custom CSS / JS to modify the app feel and look?

will you plan to share the winbox as an opensource app? (maybe there will be some fans, that will keep it alive :) )

aglabs · Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:55 pm

BUG: On snapdragon based PC (I haven't been able to reproduce this on x86 based windows devices), the UI stops drawing rows after a certain length, this happens in all sections (arp/ip address/routes/etc) that exceed a certain amount:

Screenshot 2024-10-16 134435.png

silversword · Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:48 am

You do realize that WinBox 4 is not an open source project right ?

Yes...I just used it as an example of a system that has issue tracking, threaded discussions. You do realize you don't have to post the source to track issues/feature requests and voting/discussions right ?

There's a dozen+ other completely open source systems instead. I'm sure Mikrotik's staff's time could be put to much better use if you could take 60% of the load away and let a guided community partially manage that. Pick anything other than a 20+ year old web interface to what is basically a newsgroup would be an improvement. #WorkSmartNotHard

Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:34 am

Yes...I just used it as an example of a system that has issue tracking, threaded discussions. You do realize you don't have to post the source to track issues/feature requests and voting/discussions right ?

There is already a system for this at https://help.mikrotik.com/servicedesk/servicedesk just log a ticket and it will be tracked by Mikrotik for you.

pe1chl · Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:41 pm

Yes...I just used it as an example of a system that has issue tracking, threaded discussions. You do realize you don't have to post the source to track issues/feature requests and voting/discussions right ?

There is already a system for this at https://help.mikrotik.com/servicedesk/servicedesk just log a ticket and it will be tracked by Mikrotik for you.

The issue with that is that any tickets you make there are only visible to you (and MikroTik of course).
A public tracking system has the advantage that people can look for similar tickets and see what is already known about their issue, upvote for a solution, etc.
It tends to be slightly more managable than a forum topic like this (and the firmware release topics).

Amm0 · Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:16 pm

... or at least an updated list someplace of "known 'good' requests", similar concept to V7 routing engine overview. That allow discussion to be "diffs" – i.e. "Why isn't my feature X on the list?"

A public tracking system has the advantage that people can look for similar tickets and see what is already known about their issue, upvote for a solution, etc.

👍🏼
But some way to just "upvote" (stuff like rich keyboard navigation & tab-like dialogs) or "downvote" (stuff like webfig dialogs & customizable color themes [colors should have a fixed meaning]) ... without creating more post here be good.

mikrotikrouteros · Thu Oct 17, 2024 9:48 pm

BUG: try sorting ip routes by dst address but routes are never in the correct order.
example using macos:

Screenshot 2024-10-17 at 3.50.13 PM.png

jessearcher · Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:21 am

Have updated to Beta 8, still getting error "Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout" when trying to access a device via L2.

I don't have firewall enabled on my mac.
Is the router directly connected to your compuer, or there are devices in between? In general MAC address connection works fine, so it is something with your setup. Note that the MAC connection should ONLY be used for recovery, not as a daly way to connect.

Directly connected, no devices in between. We often wipe the mikrotik device of any config and then begin adding just the config we need, so need to be able to connect without Layer3 initially configured.

Our local Mikrotik trainer was able to reproduce this problem on his Macbook as well, so I don't think this problem is specific just to me.

twingman · Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:56 am

- Still no data copy to clipboard for Windows machines (tab delimted, so to paste into excel for easier scripting)

+1 to this, would be great! Or export to csv file, for cross-platform compatibility!

teslasystems · Mon Oct 21, 2024 12:56 am

BUG: try sorting ip routes by dst address but routes are never in the correct order.
example using macos:

Screenshot 2024-10-17 at 3.50.13 PM.png

I have this problem only with IPv6 routes and addresses. But it's unstable, sometimes it sorts correctly, sometimes not.

hardtik · Mon Oct 21, 2024 12:23 pm

Multiplatform - great, no wine needed for that anymore.
New look - pretty, but absolutely not usable. It is simply not informative.
Old winbox really was not ideal, but it was usable, new one - totally no.
It needs to manually fix each column width, it cannot compactly show information, no such options like Inline Comments... and many other things.

I totally do not like its UX and usability. So I've deleted it and switched back to WinBox 3 + wine.
Even console or webfig becomes more comfort for work in comparison to v4.

So it is really good attempt but with not very good results.

Amm0 · Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:08 pm

feature request -
While winbox has long shown only the "humanized" Tx/Rx speeds everywhere... I've long wanted to have some option to show "# Xbps" speeds in some "fixed" unit since often 900 kbps looks way to similar to 900 Mbps. i.e. I just want to see 0.900 Mbps instead of mixing the units in the columns. I know sort works, but it's the "quick glance" that isn't so quick to spot a very slow (or very fast) link if differences are dramatic - which is exactly what I want to be able to spot quickly.

some controversial things.

I've been using winbox since it came out. I've complained enough about the "webfig dialogs"....

But the #2 issue* is the multiple columns in "2nd level" menus like IP,System,etc should be one (perhaps 2) column(s). At first it was just different... But "random order" does actually get annoying with time actually... especially when connecting on different routers. My preferred is one list, with scrolling... but since we're here, clearly that's not be everyone's taste - so perhaps just two [longer] columns for the long list of items like IP or System from left-side choices make it slight less annoying than the 3 columns?

* with Issue #0 is rich keyboard shortcuts, which I'm believe y'all working on.

KiwiBloke · Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:57 pm

Over 2 weeks since the last Winbox update, gone very quiet.

teslasystems · Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:23 am

It needs to manually fix each column width

Doesn't it needs in WinBox 3? It seems that no one cares about default column widths. This problem exists in ver. 3 and just migrated to ver. 4.

Benik3 · Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:32 pm

I just tested the Winbox 4 on Linux.
Working pretty fine, but old style Winbox 3 has much clearer UI. It was mentioned here many times, so I just add a vote, that drop-down style instead of Tabs is a step back :)

Anyway I found a little bug, when you want to download file from Mikrotik (right click->download) and open a destination folder, where other subfolders exist, the file is not saved to actually opened folder, but to the highlighted subfolder and the subfolder is not possible to unselect.

Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:00 pm

WinBox 4 is great in a lot of ways, but in one particular way it is a HUGE regression..... TABS!

Can we please have tabs back in all elements of WinBox 4. Not having them makes using WinBox 4 very cumbersome and time consuming

SFP Info in WinBox 4 = a lot of wasted space

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SFP Info in WinBox 3 = Perfection

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Say you now wanted to view the Interface stats. In WinBox 4 you would need to either shrink the SFP info, or scroll a few pages to get to the Stats section and then expand it. In WinBox 3 you simply click the stats tab.

PLEASE bring back the tabs !!!!

eddieb · Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:06 pm

Looks like I am unable to save a connection to a MACADRES in WB4b9 ...

wispmikrotik · Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:27 pm

WinBox 4 is great in a lot of ways, but in one particular way it is a HUGE regression..... TABS!

+1000 Along with:

 Missing tree view of sub-items in tables, like VLANs, Queues, etc.

This should be very "agile" to implement as Normis indicated, since they have programmed it from the beginning ...

But it seems that it is not so "agile" or "easy" to apply these adjustments....

Regards,

LK7R · Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:50 pm

Thanks for native WinBox application! I am using it on Linux.

* Would it be possible to use standard system file browse dialog window instead of built in one? Current built in browse dialog is missing usual shortcuts (/, /home, personal folder bookmarks, etc.) which makes file operations a pain.

* When downloading config from Files using WinBox 4 beta9, right clicking on config file and selecting "Download...", then selecting destination directory where i want to put the file, it always creates "Flash" directory where the downloade file is then saved. For example, when i try to download HEX-20241024.backup file and select destination folder "/home/user/configs/", the file will be saved in path "/home/user/configs/Flash/HEX-20241024.backup".

* I have to agree with others, current Tab-less design is kinda slower/harderd to use.

WildWest · Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:40 pm

The WinBox 4 is awesome! Specifically, because now it's Linux native.
I've been using Winbox 3 for many years via Wine, and all Linux users know what that experience is like.

It seems the Mikrotik developers had a great idea to make their network management product (Winbox) with a GUI that's more user-friendly for private users/customers. But for me, working with thousands of Mikrotiks and managing hundreds of different projects, any change in the interface is a real pain.

Why should I waste my valuable time learning new things and getting used to a new interface?

You're doing a great job, and we all appreciate it, but please give us the option to stick with our old habits. Why not just create an "OLD Style" and a "New Style" option and let users choose? Why can't we have an adjustable interface/theme?

Every time I log into Winbox 4, my eyes hurt from the color scheme: gray font on a gray background (for disabled items) — please, no.
Please make the interface customizable for users. Or at least create a "High Contrast" theme for both light and dark modes.

And please, bring back the tabs!

Anyway, it looks like it has been consistently improving

KiwiBloke · Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:30 pm

...please give us the option to stick with our old habits. Why not just create an "OLD Style" and a "New Style" option and let users choose? Why can't we have an adjustable interface/theme?
...And please, bring back the tabs!

And there lies the problem.

I don't know if any of you realise but three weeks has now passed since the last update and curiously @normis has only posted once in that time (he was posting a lot more frequently earlier).

As I read through the posts, I'm beginning to understand why. It seems like they have given up because of a largely ungrateful community, and why wouldn't they? I would have. Clearly MT have decided to take a different direction with Winbox in terms of it's UI. That's their decision, for the rest of us who don't like that decision, we need to build a bridge and get over it. Then there's the incessant complaining about tabs, among a whole host of other issues.

If you don't like something about Winbox4, the answer is simple - stick with Winbox3. MT has stated Winbox3 is not going anywhere, and stop nagging about how much longer it takes to add an extra keystroke to do something in Winbox4 over 3. Maybe use SSH instead of Winbox. No, wait a minute, that would use a stack load more keystrokes but, hey it's what the pro's use and I don't hear them complaining about the SSH keystrokes.

Me, I like what MT has done with the UI. If I didn't, I would continue to use 3 or learn SSH. I wouldn't come on here and mitch and bone about it, especially if it's been mentioned multiple times already. Sure there are things that I'd like them to add or restore, but they've already been acknowledged and I'm happy to await an update.

More complaining about stuff that has been mentioned before won't bring a quicker fix, more likely the opposite. If I were an MT employee seeing all this ungrateful, me me me me attitude, I'd be pulling back a fair bit too.

Just my two cents worth.

gabacho4 · Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:25 pm

+1 to everything you said. It's one thing to provide constructive input about things you would like to see in order to improve the product. It's another to spew a bunch of whining and complaining about petty things like why it doesn't look like Winbox3. Even more ironic when many of those complaining so strongly are the same ones that bitched and moaned about how hard it was to run Winbox on Wine on Linux and iOS. I'm excited to see the new, native Winbox development, recognize that it has room for improvement, and look forward to seeing the product mature with time. It's a beta product after all...

WildWest · Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:33 pm

Apologies in advance for the off-topic.

Who said we are not grateful? On the contrary, we are very grateful, and I believe most people here would agree with me!

Not too long ago, I had the opportunity to visit Mikrotik's office in Latvia on behalf of my company. I was welcomed by an official representative of Mikrotik, and the first thing he asked was about what we needed, what equipment we would like to see on the market, and what suggestions or ideas we had. The questions weren't just about hardware, but also about improvements to the software. It is absolutely normal and natural for a manufacturer or developer to seek feedback from their customers. It's just as normal for customers to leave honest feedback for the manufacturer.

This is how issues are addressed, and the product gets better with every new update. Customers are happy, and the manufacturer gets more positive feedback and ultimately more profit.

Winbox4 is still in development – it's a Beta, and it’s perfectly fine for us to leave our personal, honest feedback on behalf of the community here.

Keep it up, Mikrotik! Move forward and keep evolving!

rcalpha · Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:07 am

I want to report an issue with WinBox 4 beta 9

When I use winbox with many display, I moved to a secondary display it works without issue.

But If I open winbox again with only the main display available (the secondary is not connected), winbox open, I can see in the taskbar that it's running, but I cannot see the winbox screen. The only way to fix it, is to attach the secondary display move it to the main display. This can be solved if I have the second display at hand, but I have to move to some place, It's an issue. I use the old winbox. This happens to me with a laptop.

I'm using Windows 11 23H2

teslasystems · Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:40 pm

To KiwiBloke
First of all, the app is developed for users, MT is not doing it for themselves, so everyone will give a feedback about what he/she likes or not, what became better and what became worse. It's completely normal. Moreover, it's a new product in beta stage and everyone should provide a feedback as much as possible. That's how a good software is created. Good developers listen and hear all feedback, complains, critics and try to fullfill users requirements to make their product better. And I think MT are good developers, because they usually hear us. It's good that you are not an MT employee. No any adequate developer will give up because of "ungrateful community" (though, I haven't seen anyone ungrateful here), they will just improve the product to make this community grateful, otherwise the product won't be successful.
So, everything you said is a bulls**t. You'll never get a good app if you will just take what is given to you and silently be "grateful" for that.

pe1chl · Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:06 pm

Not too long ago, I had the opportunity to visit Mikrotik's office in Latvia on behalf of my company. I was welcomed by an official representative of Mikrotik, and the first thing he asked was about what we needed, what equipment we would like to see on the market, and what suggestions or ideas we had. The questions weren't just about hardware, but also about improvements to the software. It is absolutely normal and natural for a manufacturer or developer to seek feedback from their customers. It's just as normal for customers to leave honest feedback for the manufacturer.

Great to hear that!
Of course there is no "typical customer" and everyone has different suggestions.
Priority to implement them will undoubtedly depend on the number of times they receive the same suggestion multiplied by the number of units those users are predicting to buy.
There are some features that "many" users request, e.g. IPsec VTI, but are not planned to be implemented.
However, those that request it may have less than 50 routers (like me) and others that have bought 100.000 routers for use as CPE probably do not need that, but have completely different suggestions like a central management service and restrictions on services that can cause a lot of traffic.

infabo · Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:37 pm

@teslasystems One of my first comments on Winbox 4 was about UI color contrast. Reaction of normis: "clean your dusty display". After "some" (actually a lot of) other people also pointed out the color thingy - suddenly Mikrotik did improve in betas. So it is a mixed experience.

teslasystems · Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:09 pm

@teslasystems One of my first comments on Winbox 4 was about UI color contrast. Reaction of normis: "clean your dusty display". After "some" (actually a lot of) other people also pointed out the color thingy - suddenly Mikrotik did improve in betas. So it is a mixed experience.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. If a lot of people will request the same thing, we will be heard. If only one or two will complain - of course they most likely won't be noticed.

Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:46 pm

Who said we are not grateful? On the contrary, we are very grateful, and I believe most people here would agree with me!

I am extremely grateful, WinBox 4 is a huge step in the right direction.

I don't think anyone here is throwing shade on Mikrotik's clearly HUGE effort on WinBox 4.

Almost all the feedback is constructive in fashion, and I am sure Mikrotik are taking it as such.

itimo01 · Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:56 pm

I want to report an issue with WinBox 4 beta 9

When I use winbox with many display, I moved to a secondary display it works without issue.

But If I open winbox again with only the main display available (the secondary is not connected), winbox open, I can see in the taskbar that it's running, but I cannot see the winbox screen. The only way to fix it, is to attach the secondary display move it to the main display. This can be solved if I have the second display at hand, but I have to move to some place, It's an issue. I use the old winbox. This happens to me with a laptop.

I'm using Windows 11 23H2

Im having a couple of tools with that issue and my fix for it is like that:
Right-Click on the Window (hover over taskbar icon and it will show)

Screenshot 2024-10-25 145425.png

Click on "Move". Use arrow keys to move the window at least once. (press any arrow key just once)
Then it will be attached to your mouse cursor and you can move it wherever you like and then click the left mouse button

dang21000 · Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:40 pm

Yes, tabs are the best than lot of collapse

WildWest · Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:53 am

I can't find the simple search field that used to be located in the top-right corner in WinBox 3. While there is a Filter button, it only helps when you know exactly where to look—such as the specific field or column. When I need to search across an entire page (parsing the window), the simple search field was invaluable. It wasn’t perfect, but it got the job done.
Does somebody know where is it in Winbox 4?

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jeevess · Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:15 pm

There is no search as yet, I'm on Beta9 and frustrated!!

rushlife · Sat Oct 26, 2024 4:13 pm

Don't be, it is not healthy.

eddieb · Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:56 pm

Don't use beta software if it frustrates you

jiaoting · Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:46 am

Is it possible to optimize the traffic chart display in PPPoE? The chart is currently too large, and it's cumbersome to scroll through the values. It is suggested that it can be adjusted automatically based on the window size, and upload/download can be displayed side by side.

t0mm13b · Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:52 pm

Suggestion as the start up dialog is bit confusing

The workspace - might be more intuitive to put that before the "Connect to"

My expectation is that the IP address of Mikrotik device be saved in the workspace no?
Then be easier to remember the login name associated with IP address.

Dunno about you.

There are some kinks in there but fair dues to getting this out to the world :)

Thanks,

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nmt1900 · Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:11 am

When I need to manage bigger firewall rule table or anything else with many objects and values, Winbox 4 is still completely useless.

It continues to be useless until column reordering will be possible. Inefficient use of space is another problem but possibility to reorder the columns will remain a dealbreaker.

P. S. Why is it somewhat silent here as far as Mikrotik is concerned?

Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:15 am

No, workspace has no relation to the IP of the specific router. Workspace is just the desired layout of windows. You should be making the workspaces per "usage type", not per each device.

pe1chl · Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:34 pm

For this functionality to work completely reliable and predictable, you would want to have a "reload" function for the workspaces.
As it is now, when you have two simultaneous sessions sharing the same session/workspace file, and you make changes in one session, it is somewhat unpredictable what will happen when you exit the session or save it.

spippan · Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:23 am

WinBox 4 is great in a lot of ways, but in one particular way it is a HUGE regression..... TABS!

Can we please have tabs back in all elements of WinBox 4. Not having them makes using WinBox 4 very cumbersome and time consuming

SFP Info in WinBox 4 = a lot of wasted space
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SFP Info in WinBox 3 = Perfection
00MT2Capture.PNG

Say you now wanted to view the Interface stats. In WinBox 4 you would need to either shrink the SFP info, or scroll a few pages to get to the Stats section and then expand it. In WinBox 3 you simply click the stats tab.

PLEASE bring back the tabs !!!!

+100 this is one of the main reasons which drive me away from v4 still
(alongside group/note feature, open in new window, sluggish window dragging inside winbox, parent/child element indentation, drag columns)

nmt1900 · Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:00 am

If tabs would be coming back then it should be made in a way that one dataset is not dispersed between separate tabs - if we have firewall rule then stats and status could be in separate tabs but these "advanced" and "extra" (like in Winbox 3) should not be there - these do make it impossible to see all parameters together.

Current Winbox 4 implementation has a problem as well as all defined sections are not in a view but are collapsed even when they contain values that are defined

LouisVisagie · Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:11 pm

The Freq. Usage window is not easy to use for quickly spotting clean channels to use. Can a more user friendly window be developed? Perhaps a feature that recommends the top 3 channels for maximum throughput?

Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:23 pm

Could you please elaborate? Why isn't it easy to use? You can click on "Usage" and it will sort by usage.

Amm0 · Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:11 pm

Could you please elaborate? Why isn't it easy to use? You can click on "Usage" and it will sort by usage.

In fairness, it is same as winbox3 which seems to be initial goal.

But it ain't a great dialog box for quickly figuring out a channel to use. i.e.
- usage should align on the "." or be right aligned - these left-aligned "stats" aren't as quickly readable (i.e. see my complaints about the changing units in /iinterface/... above).
- default to sort usage might be a better idea, but dunno
- which ones are the 40/80/XXMhz center be good to denote/column
- similar with which ones are DFS, and/or country-specific "channel number"

pe1chl · Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:30 pm

Instead of all these attempts to let the user find a clear spot, it would be better to have a spectrum analyzer that indicates signal and noise as function of the frequency (channel) and time, with some automated way to find the optimal channel.
(the competitor has it...)

teslasystems · Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:18 am

Please, also return tabs on the login page. Now it's required to make more clicks to switch between 'Neighbors' and 'Saved' page, it's inconvenient.

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Regarding frequency usage window, I agree, that it's not very readable even when sorted by usage. The problem here is that the font has a variable character width. Anything like "alignment on dot" or "right-justify" won't help, it will look even worse. The only solution here is to choose the font that has a fixed character width.

FreqUsage.png

hardtik · Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:16 pm

It needs to manually fix each column width
Doesn't it needs in WinBox 3? It seems that no one cares about default column widths. This problem exists in ver. 3 and just migrated to ver. 4.

No, I don't think version 3 needs that. It happens so rarely that I don't even remember it. In version 4 I have to adjust the columns literally in every window I open, while in version 3 everything fits out of the box.

P.S. I also downgraded ROS7 to ROS6 due to high CPU usage. All new updates are really frustrating.

CGGXANNX · Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:11 pm

Regarding frequency usage window, I agree, that it's not very readable even when sorted by usage. The problem here is that the font has a variable character width. Anything like "alignment on dot" or "right-justify" won't help, it will look even worse. The only solution here is to choose the font that has a fixed character width.

FreqUsage.png

Yeah, MikroTik, please give us the option to use the system UI fonts instead of whatever product of some graphics designer that WinBox 4 is currently using. Give us the ability to use Segoe UI (or even Tahoma) under Windows please!

pakillo · Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:44 pm

RouterOS can produce some really big log messages now.
Would it be possible when opening a log message window, instead of having a very long window to have the message instead have automatic line breaks to fit in the box vertically?
Additionally, would it be possible to have the same line break feature when selecting the log message in the logs window if it's too long to fit horizontally?

Same for comments, please.
We need a multiline box/window to view/edit comments.
For example, we save wireguard clients setup conf in its comments

zebulon · Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:55 am

I find this quite 'dangerous' - the cancel button next to the delete button.

In this example Bridge | Ports

teslasystems · Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:59 pm

No, I don't think version 3 needs that. It happens so rarely that I don't even remember it. In version 4 I have to adjust the columns literally in every window I open, while in version 3 everything fits out of the box.

Are you kidding? Just open any Firewall window, you will have to extend EVERY column, because all values are longer than default width. Other windows are also not perfect, but Firewall is the most outstanding example. Of course, after adjusting everything will be fine, but by default it looks awful.

nmt1900 · Fri Nov 01, 2024 11:20 am

Firewall log messages are really the worst and IPv6 firewall messages especially (for obvious reasons) being longer than IPv4 firewall messages. Ths problem is already bad on Winbox 3, but Winbox 4 makes it significantly worse with its' more inefficient screen space usage. For now only way to mitigate this problem is to use other tools for reading log messages.

pe1chl · Fri Nov 01, 2024 12:24 pm

... or get a wider screen. On my 2560x1440 screen where I run winbox 3 at about 80% of the screen width, I have no issues with log messages.
And of course, it is always best to put log messages in files and/or on a syslog server as well, where you can go back in history, use grep to find things, etc.

fibracapi · Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:04 pm

I don't see the dst.address/port filtering option in ip/firewall/connections

has it changed in any way?

teslasystems · Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:28 pm

+1 for making a multiline field for the log entry window instead of a long single-line text field. And not only in WinBox 4, same with WinBox 3.

And

1. Please add '...' at the end of the message field if a text is clipped. Currently it's impossible to see if a message is complete or not.
2. Please make a normal clear frames around the fields in this window or change their background. A frame is only visible when a field is focused.

Attached a screenshot as an example. Everything has the same background, no any contrast between the window and the fields, unclear if there is more information on the right or not.

If these modern (silly) UI design trends will continue in the world, we will have a white text on a white background some day...
.

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Amm0 · Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:10 pm

... or get a wider screen.

Well, not wrong that you need a wide-screen. IMO is a kinda of a problem since not everyone uses Winbox from a desktop with multiple displays. My problem is I often I have two Winbox open, use a laptop, and don't have multiple screens available very often.

Specific to MacOS & "Tiling"...

1. Winbox4 is not particularly suited to using MacOS's newer tiling features, see below.

Horizontal Scrolling...

2. Worse is horizontal scrolling using MacOS trackpad with "two fingers" in Winbox list control does not work (i.e. ONLY works for vertical scroll). I'm not a mouse guy, but most mouse wheels also support horizontal scrolling too - so likely not just Mac trackpads I suspect. (Notice this is on the known issue list in first post...)

Login Screen...

3. I'm not sure why MAC address is listed first in Winbox (other than history)... It's generally better to connect via IP & the IP may be more "well known" than a routers MAC — the IP should be FIRST column in login IMO. As shown, if you could see the IP address in the Login screen, the need for horizontal scrolling be reduced there at least. And the single Actions: "Refresh" just waste even more "real estate" that causes IP to not be shown too...

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4. And KNOT on right side has 100% CPU... turns out it was using a large 27KB workspace (semi-created by accident — I just open windows and only occasionally using "Close All Windows")... but seems a few [hidden] mac-telnet windows were directly causing the 100% CPU, with /tool/profile show it in the "telnet" service. It repo able with my unusually large workspace, since seen the higher CPU before with Winbox4 having "way too many" windows open for a small device... Still winbox should not be able to drive CPU to 100%, and switching to <none> causes CPU to go below 5% (since this test KNOT only does LoRa).

abbio90 · Fri Nov 01, 2024 11:03 pm

Hi all, skins not working on winbox 4?

posi211 · Sat Nov 02, 2024 1:08 am

I'm not a fan. After using Winbox for so many years, I like the existing layout.

Amm0 · Sat Nov 02, 2024 1:18 am

Hi all, skins not working on winbox 4?

The lack of "skin" support is a "Known Issue" in @normis's original post.

syadnom · Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:04 am

I'm just getting very frustrated with the numberpad enter key being some sort of a clear command instead of enter.
'ping 192.168.1.5 numbpad-enter' clears the command
'ping 192.168.1.5 reguar-enter' works fine.

PLEASE FIX

nmt1900 · Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:19 pm

... or get a wider screen. On my 2560x1440 screen where I run winbox 3 at about 80% of the screen width, I have no issues with log messages.
And of course, it is always best to put log messages in files and/or on a syslog server as well, where you can go back in history, use grep to find things, etc.

Yes on Winbox 3 it is "almost bearable", but Winbox 4 screen space usage (in)efficiency ruins that - and many users do not sit in front of multiple big 5K screens while running Winbox. Current situation is not usable for people doing mobile work on laptops - not even when laptop has high resolution screen.

pe1chl · Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:47 pm

I'm just getting very frustrated with the numberpad enter key being some sort of a clear command instead of enter.
'ping 192.168.1.5 numbpad-enter' clears the command
'ping 192.168.1.5 reguar-enter' works fine.

PLEASE FIX

It works OK here (on Linux). It may depend on the OS or the configuration.
I remember the days when the numeric pad sent some sort of VT220 codes for keypad keys and it could be switched using an escape sequence or some obscure X command. Maybe it is just set wrongly on your system?

pe1chl · Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:49 pm

Current situation is not usable for people doing mobile work on laptops - not even when laptop has high resolution screen.

Ruining exsiting well-designed GUIs to unusable low-contrast no-borders style is the hype of today's design.
Winbox is not even the worst example of that. And probably the motivation for it is not the same either, it is just that tools for "modern GUI design" all suck because "everyone" (who isn't asked) wants to have it that way.

brevilo · Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:56 pm

Awesome news!

Now, I tested 4.0beta1 and 4.0beta3 on macOS (Sonoma on M3, against ROS 7.15.3) and it fails to connect with the following (WinBox 3 via Wine still ok):
Code: Select all
ERR: Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout
(while at it, please allow for copying error messages)

If only you'd taken the opportunity to change that meaningless (if not entirely misleading) name, now that its Windoze shackles are finally off :)

Thanks and keep it up!
Unfortunately, no change with 4.0beta6...

Unfortunately, no change with 4.0beta9 (now against ROS 7.16.1)...

nmt1900 · Sun Nov 03, 2024 3:39 pm

Ruining exsiting well-designed GUIs to unusable low-contrast no-borders style is the hype of today's design.
Winbox is not even the worst example of that. And probably the motivation for it is not the same either, it is just that tools for "modern GUI design" all suck because "everyone" (who isn't asked) wants to have it that way.

For Mac users it started with macOS 11 about 4 years ago when this drastic "aesthetic user experience" change was introduced - item spacing on main menu bar and most window toolbars increased by almost 50%, most UI buttons lost their borders and all UI items lost their contrast. How this concept is making its way into professional software tools is just awful.
Best example of this offence is what happens on disabling "inline comments" - after this one object takes about 3 lines worth of space when compared to Winbox 3 layout, while it should be expected to take 2 lines.
Sacrificing functionality to "design" in this way is a sure way to make the product worthless and useless.

leosedf · Mon Nov 04, 2024 12:40 pm

Seems like when you have an interface open the graphs don't cover the whole screen.

pe1chl · Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:28 pm

For Mac users it started with macOS 11 about 4 years ago when this drastic "aesthetic user experience" change was introduced - item spacing on main menu bar and most window toolbars increased by almost 50%, most UI buttons lost their borders and all UI items lost their contrast. How this concept is making its way into professional software tools is just awful.

For me it is most surprising that it makes it past the EU commissions and rules... I would expect major backlash due to the loss of "accessibility" that the new style of user interfaces has caused. In an environment like the EU I would have expected sanctions.

infabo · Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:49 pm

Ruining exsiting well-designed GUIs to unusable low-contrast no-borders style is the hype of today's design.
Winbox is not even the worst example of that. And probably the motivation for it is not the same either, it is just that tools for "modern GUI design" all suck because "everyone" (who isn't asked) wants to have it that way.
For Mac users it started with macOS 11 about 4 years ago when this drastic "aesthetic user experience" change was introduced - item spacing on main menu bar and most window toolbars increased by almost 50%, most UI buttons lost their borders and all UI items lost their contrast. How this concept is making its way into professional software tools is just awful.
Best example of this offence is what happens on disabling "inline comments" - after this one object takes about 3 lines worth of space when compared to Winbox 3 layout, while it should be expected to take 2 lines.
Sacrificing functionality to "design" in this way is a sure way to make the product worthless and useless.

Amen.

nmt1900 · Mon Nov 04, 2024 2:53 pm

For me it is most surprising that it makes it past the EU commissions and rules... I would expect major backlash due to the loss of "accessibility" that the new style of user interfaces has caused. In an environment like the EU I would have expected sanctions.

If we are speaking about Mac user interface then Accessibility settings include "Increase contrast" and "Show button shapes" options, but result is not aesthetically very good and it does not solve the problem of wasting screen space.

wispmikrotik · Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:38 pm

New beta? When?
Normis said that the development should be fast after developing it from the beginning..

Vlan tree, qos tree, missing ...

kryztoval · Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:22 pm

Don't ask me why, but I normally do not set an IP to the devices manually. Since you can connect to them via MAC using winbox and dhcp client works quite well.

Or it used to. WinBox 4 refuses to connect to a device that has no IP assigned. If the device reports 0.0.0.0 and you try to connect to it via MAC it will fail. Set an IP, any IP, and you can connect using MAC. Why is this now a requirement? it didn't seem to matter in winbox 3.x

I like the way this new app looks.

brevilo · Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:37 pm

Or it used to. WinBox 4 refuses to connect to a device that has no IP assigned. If the device reports 0.0.0.0 and you try to connect to it via MAC it will fail. Set an IP, any IP, and you can connect using MAC. Why is this now a requirement? it didn't seem to matter in winbox 3.x

For me connecting via MAC always fails, even when having set an IP. But thanks for the idea, connecting via IP finally works! Still, regular connecting via MAC needs fixing.

Cheers

Paternot · Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:22 pm

Or it used to. WinBox 4 refuses to connect to a device that has no IP assigned. If the device reports 0.0.0.0 and you try to connect to it via MAC it will fail. Set an IP, any IP, and you can connect using MAC. Why is this now a requirement? it didn't seem to matter in winbox 3.x

Just tested the latest Winbox4 (4.0beta09), on an RB5009 running RoS 7.16.1, with firmware 7.16.1 too.
Connected using MAC address without any problem. Runing Linux, OpenSuse 15.6 Leap.

Edit: with dynamic IP address assigned. There are people complaining about not connecting with MAC even with an assigned IP address.

themax · Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:56 pm

Also having issues connecting via MAC on directly connected fully reset device (no default config)
Debian testing, RoS 7.16.1, Winbox4 (4.0beta09)

Error Message: ERR: Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout

Console output:

./WinBox 
APP,INFO: version: "4.0beta9"
APP,INFO: loading addrs db from: "/home/ms/.local/share/MikroTik/WinBox/Addresses.cdb"
PERS,WARN: read ERROR OPENING "No such file or directory" "/home/ms/.local/share/MikroTik/WinBox/Addresses.cdb"
APP,INFO: loading failed ""
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 192.168.0.255, 192.168.122.255, 
APP,UPDATE: version fetched: "4.0beta9"
APP,UPDATE: nothing to update
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 192.168.0.255, 192.168.122.255, 
MACCON potential addr mac: 11:22:33:44:55:66 addr: "255.255.255.255"
MACCON potential addr mac: 11:22:33:44:55:66 addr: "192.168.0.255"
MACCON potential addr mac: 33:44:55:66:77:88 addr: "192.168.122.255"
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
WBOXCONN status change "Connecting..."
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 0  resend: 0
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 1  resend: 0
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 2  resend: 0
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 0  resend: 1
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 1  resend: 1
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 2  resend: 1
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 0  resend: 2
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 1  resend: 2
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 2  resend: 2
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 0  resend: 3
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 1  resend: 3
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 2  resend: 3
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 0  resend: 4
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 1  resend: 4
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 2  resend: 4
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 0  resend: 5
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 1  resend: 5
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 2  resend: 5
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 0  resend: 6
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 1  resend: 6
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 2  resend: 6
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 0  resend: 7
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 1  resend: 7
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 2  resend: 7
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 0  resend: 8
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 1  resend: 8
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 2  resend: 8
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 0  resend: 9
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 1  resend: 9
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::BoundState
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState
MACCON,WARN synTimeout iface: 2  resend: 9
WINBOXIMPL,ERR: QAbstractSocket::UnknownSocketError "Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout"
WBOXCONN status change "ERR: Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout"
MACCON socket state changed to: QAbstractSocket::UnconnectedState

Amm0 · Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:03 pm

IDK, but does it work when you only have one IP and/or on interface? Sometimes having multiple interfaces with wine+winbox3 would cause MAC winbox not to work.

fibracapi · Thu Nov 07, 2024 11:32 am

I don't see the destination port filter in the new version 4, will it be available soon? Is there any other way to view this data?

thanks.

akarpas · Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:13 pm

finally i see native MAC OS Winbox, Thank you Mikrotik