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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:24 am

Thank you for the suggestion, Amm0. Added to wishlist.

Behaviour should adhere to system settings. I don't use Mac, but on Windows and Linux I prefer not to have apps groupped ... and there's system-wide setting for that both in Windows and KDE (which is what I use on Linux if I can choose). In normal apps, there's a text pop-up tab when one hovers mouse over the app icon on taskbar/launchbar ... this text window should show some meaningful onfo about device to which particular winbox window connects ... that one should help to choose the right winbox without clicking the app button first.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:47 am

Hi,

thanks for bringing back SafeMode. I already switched to Winbox4 for main tool.
What I love in new version is filtering - now I can just put IP address in filter and it will show me only entries where IP address IS included (including subnets entries).

Few comments to some of known issues:
  • Most people prefer Tabs over Dropdowns
    Definitely, switching in firewall between rules, and address lists using drop-down is a pain.
  • Linux distribution users wish for better distribution methods (unclear, many say current way is OK!)
    From my point of view it is OK this way. For example on archlinux, users already made package to install it distribution way (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/winbox).

    I believe that many users would like to have native package/repository for distribution they use - luxury of having all software in repositories and having automated updates is addictive.
    I believe that this is not a good way, and you cannot please everyone (even Flatpaks are not solution, because the are flatpaks, snaps and also appimages ) - there will always be some distribution with different packaging system you missed (for example Solus, or some newly created distro). The easy way to please users with most common packaging systems is using something like nfpm (https://github.com/goreleaser/nfpm) where you can do one prescription and then generate packages for multiple distributions (I am using this to make packages for Ubuntu, Debian, Linux Mint, and RHEL clones).

    From my point of view the best way is to release source codes of each release as tar.gz archive and let building and packaging work to distribution packagers {this way your SW will be probably included in main distribution repositories after some time)
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:05 am

Not sure if anyone has mention, but with multiple winbox4 windows... they all appear as seperate icon in MacOS's launchbar. Normally multiple windows of an application, still only have one icon in the launchbar with the various window name showing in the context menu. The current "one icon per winbox4 window" means it actually hard to find the same window without clicking on the icon to see what it's connected to.
On MacOS, multiple winbox4 windows should appear as ONE icon, with multiple windows on the context menu.png
Every window is a separate process on Mac - hence multiple icons in dock. Using "New Winbox" option starts a new process.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:50 am

Sorry for other batch of keyboard shortcut improvements, but for the sake of completeness:
  • in launch window (login windows) after clicking IP from neighbor or saved list, change focus to "connect to" form
  • after open form (for editing values) change focus to form itself, making tab key cycle over editable items (in Linux it cycles over widgets outside of form - after clicking to any form input, then "tab" starts working as expected)
  • save form using "enter" or "ctrl+enter" (maybe enter=apply, ctrl+enter=save...?)
I kind of like current multi-select of rows (ctrl+arrows and ctrl+space for selecting and arrows without ctrl for deselect all) - please don't change that. But missing keyboard shortcut for enable/disable/remove and also missing Page Up, Page Down for quick listing. Home and End is not working either.

Also scrolling did not follow arrow movements inside table rows - it is possible to leave visible part of whole table.

All in Linux - did not try other systems.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:01 pm

Are there any plans to make the disconnect timeout settable?
I would like to be able to keep a winbox session connected even when a remote router is unreachable for a minute or two (up to 3).
That can happen when BGP re-routes failed links, when WiFi links change frequency due to DFS, or when a remote router on dynamic IP re-connects a VPN when the IP changes.
It would be best when an unreachable remote would pop-up some alert (e.g. router icon becomes red) and does not close the session immediately.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:12 pm

I think the timeout settings are just fine. Please note that the connection is terminated - unrelated to any timeout settings - when one router on the way sends back an ICMP message with "destination unreachable" or similar. Is that causing your troubles?
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:48 pm



Behaviour should adhere to system settings. I don't use Mac, but on Windows and Linux I prefer not to have apps groupped ... and there's system-wide setting for that both in Windows and KDE (which is what I use on Linux if I can choose). In normal apps, there's a text pop-up tab when one hovers mouse over the app icon on taskbar/launchbar ... this text window should show some meaningful onfo about device to which particular winbox window connects ... that one should help to choose the right winbox without clicking the app button first.
on macOS the apps are grouped under a single icon by default, it's different from Windows, because in macOS dock you don't have titles of windows. So separate icons are confusing.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:48 pm

Version 7 does not do that anymore so that cannot be the cause...
Anyway, that still is contrary to what the TCP RFC says. 'destination unreachable' should only terminate a new connection (SYN state), but when it occurs during a session it should be treated just like a timeout (no ACK received). When a TCP session terminates due to 'destination unreachable', that is a bug that should be fixed!
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:27 pm

Most people prefer Tabs over Dropdowns
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:46 pm

I notice an issue on applying the CHR license, option renew license is missing in the new winbox
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:00 pm

I just want give a counterpoint the "Most people prefer tabs instead of drop downs", I suspect most of those people haven't really played with workspaces yet. I'm not the first to bring this up but it bears repeating. If implementing tabs means you can't have multiple of the same "group" open at the same time, then I much prefer the way it is currently. Even if you can pop out extra windows like today but with tabs, the tabs are taking up unneeded space for my use case. If tabs get implemented, I really hope they're optional.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:17 pm

@normis this is very impressive! Congrats on the upgrade!

i'm really enjoying the new interface!

Feedback:
- In IPsec / Indentity, with ROS v 7.14.3, it let me create the identity profile but it forces mode configuration as request only. (router A)
- Same happen in ROS 7.15.3 (router B), but when creating the identity profile, it doesn't allowed me to save the profile, i had to create it through the terminal.

Cheers!
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:16 pm

Tabs were much better both visually and practically, because you saw the options right away, and you needed one click, instead of two
Esc dosn't close window anymore
And in general hotkeys would be nice to have
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:11 pm

btw, please, in the next version, fix torch so it defaults to "any" for Port value, and not "tcpmux" it's driving me crazy :)
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:36 pm

Hi,

I just updated my Ubuntu to the latest 24.04 LTS version. Same WinBox binary was working on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS is not working anymore.
I hope this is the right place to report the issue.
$ ./WinBox 
APP,INFO: version: "4.0beta4"
libEGL warning: DRI3: Screen seems not DRI3 capable
libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate
libEGL warning: DRI3: Screen seems not DRI3 capable
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
Description:	Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS
Release:	24.04
Codename:	noble
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:43 pm

I just want give a counterpoint the "Most people prefer tabs instead of drop downs", I suspect most of those people haven't really played with workspaces yet. I'm not the first to bring this up but it bears repeating. If implementing tabs means you can't have multiple of the same "group" open at the same time, then I much prefer the way it is currently. Even if you can pop out extra windows like today but with tabs, the tabs are taking up unneeded space for my use case. If tabs get implemented, I really hope they're optional.
What is actually taking up space now are the status "pills" being placed at the top of the windows, and more so, as those visually resemble buttons. Those should have stayed at the bottom of the windows, at the bottom status bars, and visually look just like labels, just like with 3.x Winbox.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:28 am

Tabs were much better both visually and practically, because you saw the options right away, and you needed one click, instead of two
tabs - at least as implemented in winbox 3 - means for each window with tabs across the top, only one tab is active at a time. with the v4 implementation, any item in the drop down can be open at the same time as any other item. There is a little icon to the right of each item in the drop down list, and that icon means to open it in a new window instead of replacing the contents of the current window. Combined with the ability to save window arrangements in workspaces, this is a very powerful feature. So using workspaces, you can set up a selection of panels that you might use for a given task, like editing firewall rules, maybe another for managing bridges, etc. For my firewall rules workspace, I have firewall rules open at the same time as nat rules and mangle rules, all in their own section of the screen, instead of having to flip back and forth between each one using tabs.
Esc dosn't close window anymore
And in general hotkeys would be nice to have
that's been covered quite a few times as well, but the hot keys are coming back. for now, cmd / ctrl w closes windows.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:19 am

It is called WinBox and not TabBox.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:20 am

can we have the "enter" key back for applying and closing a window
e.g. change the name of an interface and just press enter instead of CLICKING on apply/ok ?
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:35 am

Under Microsoft Windows version 10 or version 11

I much prefer Winbox 3.x from a productive perspective

The Longer I use Winbox 4 the longer I come to the conclusion that Winbox 4 is very unproductive for me ...
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:29 am

Let's hope that v3 will not go anywhere and the old and new hardware will be supported...The new winbox is extremely inconvenient. It is unclear what prompted the entire interface to be changed and what benefit it would have other than visual effects. The best is the enemy of the good.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:33 am

1. Please distribute under Linux as a native package (deb, rpm) and AppImage. No snap or flatpak crap.

2.What about PAP support for radius to store passwords not as Cleartext, but as SHA1 or MD5 ?
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:40 am

Nice to see an update. In the main it seems to work well, but...

1 - <esc> doesn't work any more - closing a whole bunch of panels is now more time consuming and frustrating (the escape key is in the same place on all my keyboards, the shift/control keys aren't).

2 - Comments aren't shown by default - again, more time/frustration in enabling them. Comments are important!

3 - Status tool-tips aren't shown when you hover the mouse over them like they were on Winbox3 (see screenshot) - There doesn't seem to be an easy way to find out what all the letters mean. Screenshot 2024-08-29 083013.png

4 - Removal of the tabs at the top of the panels and using a drop box instead makes navigating the options/contents more time consuming and frustrating - it's no longer easy to see what all the sub-categories are and no longer possible to quickly flip between subcategories.

5 - 'Configuration' takes up a chunk of the right hand side of each panel - it means I have to make the window wider and means more scrolling on smaller screens (like the tiny laptop I use on customer sites) - again, more time required and more frustrating.

6 - <ctrl>+<tab> doesn't work any more - no longer easy to move between panels.

7 - <ctrl>+m doesn't work any more - much more time consuming to add comments (double-click line, click in comment box, type comment and then back to the mouse to click on 'OK')

8 - <Num-> and <Num+> no longer enable/disable rows

9 - <Del> does work (deletes row), but <Ins> doesn't (insert row)

Sorry about the above, it does sound like I'm having a moan, but it does seem that while Winbox3 has its limitations, one thing it was very good at was giving fast access to changes and also seeing required information. Winbox4 seems to have slowed down the workflow not just a bit, but quite a lot. For this to be usable, day to day, I need much more keyboard control - bring back the shortcuts!

I do appreciate that this is a beta release, but please please add in more functionality to speed up the workflow - don't make me frustrated by forcing me to use my mouse when a keyboard shortcut would make an action much faster.

For example, to open NAT rules and add a comment to a row (where "¬" means toggle between keyboard and mouse)...
Winbox 3 - <click><click><click><click>¬<ctrl>+m[type comment]<enter>
Winbox 4 - <click><click><click><click><double-click><click>¬[type comment]¬<click>

All that having been said, Winbox4 certainly looks smarter.

Nicholas.
Very good summary of things thats not works well
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:43 am

No, it's not a good summary, because the very first post in this topic already clearly said, that it is a known issue, that all keyboard shortcuts are turned off.
Do not post again and again the same thing, that is already explained.

Please read the first post before posting!
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:52 am

The UI update is a welcomed update. Yet, I am not convinced by the current iteration. We went from the "ugly" but very functional style and clear to read to the "pretty" but less functional & "harder to find what you need "style. Functionality and ease of use does take priority to it being pretty for me.

Try to add a new firewall rule or look at the interface list for example. What am I even looking at? Just a blob of text with almost no coherence. No indentation no grouping. The gray on gray doesn't have much contrast. The tabs are gone and now you need to scroll twice as much for everything. The graphs are horrific to look at. The more I look at the UI in Winbox 4 the worse it get. Yet I still hope this will improve since it's a beta.

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MT already said somewhere that they will return tabs back instead of dropdown lists. I hope, they will return them in editing windows also instead of these ugly groups, because, as you correctly said, you need to scroll too much up and down to navigate.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:18 am

No, it's not a good summary, because the very first post in this topic already clearly said, that it is a known issue, that all keyboard shortcuts are turned off.
Do not post again and again the same thing, that is already explained.

Please read the first post before posting!
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I hope it will all works better then old ver.3
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:28 am

I hope, they will return them in editing windows also instead of these ugly groups, because, as you correctly said, you need to scroll too much up and down to navigate.
Please don't! A light touch on a scroll wheel is almost always faster/easier/better than repositioning you mouse on top of the dialog where the tabs are, potentially scrolling through the tabs, and finally clicking on one of them.

In addition to keeping the groups as they are now, I would also request that when opening a new dialog to edit an existing item, the groups that have at least one optional parameter enabled are expanded automatically. And for the firewall filter rule dialog, opening the dialog with the Action group always expanded is also something I would consider.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:34 am

What's new in v4.0beta6:

*) minor UI improvements

What's new in v4.0beta5:

*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
*) move action buttons into table toolbar
*) change style for active sub window
*) fix macOS self-update on some systems
*) stability improvements
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:48 am

That combination of tabs and dropdown is an excellent idea - you can even customize the selection of displayed tabs...
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:48 am

*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns. Perfect solution to keep everybody happy well done MT
*) move action buttons into table toolbar Nice
*) change style for active sub window Nice
*) fix macOS self-update on some systems Windows user
*) stability improvements ` Didnt have any problems but obviously some did.

For me all i would like now is the return of the find feature and some list of all open windows so I can easily flip around, both in hand so I am one happy Winbox4 user
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:50 am

While "read only" is correct, because it is installed globally and Winbox is run with unprivileged user. Still one remark: it is a Linux host and I do not have an "Applications" folder. ;)
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:53 am

While "read only" is correct, because it is installed globally and Winbox is run with unprivileged user. Still one remark: it is a Linux host and I do not have an "Applications" folder. ;)

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You could check if the location is writable, and just show a popup (at most) when it is not. You should not attempt to update if it is known to fail in advance.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:57 am

Jeeez, please give us an option to hide tabs again. Or at least style them properly as it was in Winbox 3.x. Following to suggestion from user "boingolover", I organized my screens to workspaces now. These tabs look awful on narrow windows.
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:58 am

Infabo, do you ever try something, before complaining? There is an option to hide tabs!
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:00 pm

This is no hide and seek game. I looked at the only known place for options I know of. And there isnt any.
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:01 pm

Open the dropdown, then deselect "Show All".
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:02 pm

"Show all".......................Yeah. Very self-explaining. PER WINDOW as well. As if it weren't already tedious enough to arrange the windows. Now you have to click into each window and deactivate the tabs. UX complaints incoming.
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:02 pm

P.S: why is your winbox so small?
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:06 pm

My Winbox application window isnt small. But the child windows inside are. Because I arranged all relevant "wifi" windows in a saved workspace so I can have all wifi related information at a glance. Switch to different workspace for other more overall stuff.
Following to suggestion from user "boingolover", I organized my screens to workspaces now. These tabs look awful on narrow windows.
And I improved your changelog:
What's new in v4.0beta5:

*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns.
[b]*) tabs visibility can be toggled - see checkbox in tabs drop-down menu.[/b]
*) move action buttons into table toolbar
*) change style for active sub window
*) fix macOS self-update on some systems
*) stability improvements
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:12 pm

"Show all".......................Yeah. Very self-explaining. PER WINDOW as well. As if it weren't already tedious enough to arrange the windows. Now you have to click into each window and deactivate the tabs. UX complaints incoming.
Different windows have different sets of tabs so they can/have to be set separately. Btw Winbox 3 "truncated" tab list from the end in windows too narrow to show all - so it turned into tab list + dropdown combo. Now you have the option to hide unneeded tabs and there might be many of them - especially in "interface" window.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:15 pm

My feedback, that too many tabs look awful on narrow windows still remains. No tab-title should be "truncated". There are many possibilitys to avoid this: and one way is how 3.x solved it.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:28 pm

Now, winbox 4.0 beta 6 is better layout.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:39 pm

For some reason terminal does not respond when I try to ping from the router
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:40 pm

Left / right two finger scrolling (swiping) on Macbook Air track pad does not scroll the wide windows left and right. You have to move the mouse down to the bottom of the window and drag the slider left / right.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:55 pm

The List+Optional Tabs(with "Show All" default) is a much better implementation and should make some people happier.
One suggestion: when compressing the window or having too many tabs, the text is currently overlapping - maybe this should switch to a scrollable(arrows on left side and right side + mousepad swipe) version of the tabs, when these don't fit?
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:10 pm

It is already possible to use - this is good.

But the work with saved devices is very poorly implemented.

In WinBox v3, groups helped, but this did not solve the problem of a long list.

In WinBox v4, there are no groups - a complete mess, which is why I do not want to use the program.

Please implement the following mechanism for saving information about devices.

ADDRESSBOOK from 1 to N:
in which you can place GROUPS(folders/directory) and records about devices(files)
in groups - records about devices(address & note)

This will greatly facilitate (shorten the list) the search for the desired device.
 
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*) return tab based interface, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
This is only half done. Most people want these WebFig style dropdowns as tabs too.
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:37 pm

NO! You end up jumping between "arbitrarily defined" tabs instead of scrolling with all values in the same view (most hated thing in Winbox 3 - for me at least it is).
Maybe there would be a way to "have it both ways" as it was done with windows?
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:39 pm

Hi,

Problem CLI:

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When you use "~" the legitimacy of the letter is lost, you don't know if it is writing or not.

Winbox 3 = OK

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Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:00 pm

*) return tab based interface, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
This is only half done. Most people want these WebFig style dropdowns as tabs too.
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most people?
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:01 pm

Left / right two finger scrolling (swiping) on Macbook Air track pad does not scroll the wide windows left and right. You have to move the mouse down to the bottom of the window and drag the slider left / right.
this bug is already known and reported multiple times in this thread
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:13 pm

Is it possible to disable the contrast grid of elements? Make a setting parameter, on/off grid
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:14 pm

It is under consideration as a configurable option. Zebras vs full grid.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:18 pm

Okay. Thanks for your work. We are waiting for improvements
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:32 pm

Thanks for the work so far, looking great.

ROS6 with large routing tables comes up with an empty route list

Winbox 4
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:32 pm

*) return tab based interface, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
This is only half done. Most people want these WebFig style dropdowns as tabs too.
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most people?
Yes. Plenty of posts about this already in this thread. I don't think there's a need to dig up every single feedback about this. And if there's really a need then it means that the feedback has been ignored. If tabs are still a no go, then please consider allowing detaching those sections to separate windows.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:50 pm

most people?
Yes. Plenty of posts about this already in this thread.
Do you only see what you want to see? There are also plenty of posts in this thread where people asked to keep the groups as they are.
I explained why I think the groups are better than tabs here.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:53 pm

+1 for tabs everywhere. I never used webfig because of this, it's unusable unless you work on a 9:21 monitor.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:58 pm

Please bring back tabs everywhere, very hard to scroll all the way down a firewall rule to the action section.

This current format, the setup, sections are not expanded by default, so this is not as simple as just a "A light touch on a scroll wheel"
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:01 pm

+1 for tabs everywhere. I never used webfig because of this, it's unusable unless you work on a 9:21 monitor.
That's correct. Too much white space. Even traffic graphs or status section needs scrolling. I wouldn't mind if optionally you can still have the collapsed groups for those who still insist. Just give us the option at least. I don't mind if collapsed groups is the default, but there must be a way to return to the old tabbed windows.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:18 pm

Normis is possible add WinBox option save status hide advanced option?

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Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:42 pm

It is under consideration as a configurable option. Zebras vs full grid.
Options are good !

Even though I think Zebras are bad :)
 
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It would be nice to see all core load when I hover mouse over it or a click opens CPU windows.

PS: I hope on winbox4 ping DNS will be resolved on router, also I would like to see packet loss total count as winbox3 had.
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:49 pm

*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
*) move action buttons into table toolbar
*) change style for active sub window
Yesssss !

All are good improvements to usability.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 4:11 pm

I have problem logging in with winbox 4.0 b3 on a CHR running 6.49.17. I only get "Reading the index file"
Dont have any problem logging in with winbox 3.x on same computer. Have tried both on Mac and Windows but same problem even rebooted the router but the same message was there. Have made a bug support case of this as SUP-163841
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I have the same problem.... "reading the index file" and nothing more... WinBox 4.0beta6 (at 4.0 beta 4 was the same). The WinBox 3.41 works OK with that MT server (x86 machine).
I have tried with other x86 machine with ROS 6.49.17 - the same problem with WinBox 4.0beta.
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 4:13 pm

Thank you Mikrotik so much for this - really positive and even more so with the updates you have been adding to the first post in this thread! Thank you :)
(And I hope you are taking some of the developer comments in the thread in a suitably positive manner (even if some people are quite opinionated).. obviously you will do what works best for you and what enables you to continue developing the software)

Couple of things to add to the list if possible

- +1 on Escape to close windows
- +1 on ARM support (I use a pi for a simple admin console at remote sites, it would be great to be able to run winbox locally)
- How does one access 'Safe mode' in this new version of Winbox? In v3 it was right at the top, and easy to toggle on before making potentially risky changes. I haven't found it yet anywhere in v4 - IMHO it should be very easily accessible; maybe I'm just not seeing it.

Finally, I discovered a bug in Winbox3, apologies for not logging it, but I've confirmed it is still present in the beta of Winbox4. Steps to reproduce are below - can this be added to a bug tracker perhaps?

Setup to observe the bug: Add a routing filter (in Routing --> Filters). Doesn't really matter what it's called, but the details in my case are as follows. Key aspect is that the interface name contains a space and therefore needs "quoting":
Chain: ospf-out
Rule: if (dst in 172.10.0.0/24 || gw-interface "ether1 - WAN") {reject;} else {accept;}
Now to see the bug: Double-click on this new routing filter, and it will be shown in WInbox. *BUT* the quotes are now gone! So when 'Apply' or 'OK' are pressed, this will FAIL with an error: "Word [gw-interface] Word [ether1] Word[-] Word [WAN]" - unknown interface 172.10.0.0
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 4:17 pm

*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
While this a HUGE improvement, unfortunately tabs have only returned in primary windows. Any configuration dialog boxes are still the WebFig style where you need to scroll through all the options.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 4:23 pm

Yes, and that one will stay for now. As seen in the thread, it is a much more divisive topic, than main window Tabs
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 4:37 pm

Great work, very creative solution to "dropdown vs tabs".

Yes, and that one will stay for now. As seen in the thread, it is a much more divisive topic, than main window Tabs
Are you sure? I'm just not sure there are that many fan of the "webfig-like dialogs". While the minority, the dropdown did have some "fans", other than me, for the pop-out - which y'all now gracefully solved by using the title bar space more effectively to mimic tabs. But I have not seen "OMG I love the webfig look in dialogs here" here ;).

Hopefully y'all are still mulling the webfig-like collapsable selection inside of dialogs (the other place where tabs were lost). Not necessarily saying "bring back tabs", but webfig-like dividers are "less productive" than winbox3 if you actually need to change a settings - way more clicks+scrolling. And even worse when to look at some status section inside a dialog (which is often at the very bottom).

Options are good !
One idea is that it's "Workspace" has configurable options for stuff like zebras, tabs, etc. There is already a pop-out in Workspace that brings up a dialog, but it just has autosave. Just seems a natural spot to store these things (vs some system-wide setting).
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:04 pm

Thanks for the update, it's a familiar but also innovative tool!!! I like the layout changes :)
I wish to have some way of reusing the groups in my old winbox 3 managed devices list.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 6:01 pm

@normis & mikrotik dev team

Short & simple, the improvements in this update are outstanding & implemented very well. Thank you for listening to the users. Keep up the good work
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:38 pm

Hopefully y'all are still mulling the webfig-like collapsable selection inside of dialogs (the other place where tabs were lost). Not necessarily saying "bring back tabs", but webfig-like dividers are "less productive" than winbox3 if you actually need to change a settings - way more clicks+scrolling. And even worse when to look at some status section inside a dialog (which is often at the very bottom).
One more thing to add. If you set up a custom workspace and you had a section not collapsed and you quit WinBox, it will not get saved. On the next session you need to click and scroll again to see what you want. You are not allowed to see status or graphs and you need to fiddle with it every single time. This divisive topic needs a solution that satisfies both sides.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:03 pm

Yes, and that one will stay for now. As seen in the thread, it is a much more divisive topic, than main window Tabs
I don't have a problem with them per se, but they do not work with saved workspaces well. They don't save neither expanded/collapsed status, nor scroll position. After restoring the saved workspace, they get back to their default state instead.

I.e. I usually put the traffic tab for an interface in my workspace. With the current system, it doesn't work, I always get the general section instead, which I do not want here.

The old winbox with tabs did save the current tab. Since the tabs were short, there was no point in saving the scroll position.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:31 pm

*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
*) move action buttons into table toolbar
*) change style for active sub window
Many thanks for these changes. The active window now stands out much better. I love the new border color, especially in dark mode.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:54 pm

Having a macOS native support is great! unfortunately I sold my mac a few weeks ago :(.

In Windows for now (beta6) freeze until load the complete log (60000 lines)
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:12 pm

As a universal solution for groups/tabs in editing windows, I suggest to add tabs, that will expand the corresponding group and navigate to it. Everyone will be happy.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:33 pm

Just like that:
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:40 pm

I just tried to test WinBox 4. I'm from Ukraine so I use Ukrainian (Cyrillic) comments in my Mikrotik devices.
And all Cyrillic comments are unreadable in WinBox 4
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:41 pm

What's new in v4.0beta6:

*) minor UI improvements

What's new in v4.0beta5:

*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
*) move action buttons into table toolbar
*) change style for active sub window
*) fix macOS self-update on some systems
*) stability improvements
please fix dhcpoptions nagging issue. (shows up unannounced in dhcp server network and leases page when saved)
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:44 pm

Thank you (specially for the dark mode)

Question: Is there any option to chagne icons blue color (on main pannel) ? like no colorat all or red .. or whatever ?

note: Waiting for new dude client as well also for this centralasied managment solution which was announced before time (sorry if I miss somehing but I was not visioting the forum from long time)
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:54 pm

And all Cyrillic comments are unreadable in WinBox 4
It's a known issue and it'd due zo neglect of properly handling different encoding schemes ... all UIs simply accepted characters as bytecode and didn't interpret them according code page. So it was always a problem if one used different UIs (e.g. winbox3 on windows using whichever windows code page, CLI with UTF-8 translation, etc.)
It seems that winbox4 uses UTF-8 (finally), just like (probably) your web browser running webfig.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:23 pm

And all Cyrillic comments are unreadable in WinBox 4
It seems that winbox4 uses UTF-8 (finally), just like (probably) your web browser running webfig.
True. But PSA there is still only one config that store things... And config just stores the bytes as provided from whatever UI/CLI. So can enter Cyrillic as UTF-8 in winbox4, but then that won't render in winbox3. For example, if you want the € in some comment, what you'd enter at CLI vary depending on the winbox used...
/interface/ethernet/set ether1 comment="\80 - euro in winbox3" 
/interface/ethernet/set ether1 comment="\E2\82\AC - euro in winbox4/webfig"
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:27 pm

+1 for tabs everywhere. I never used webfig because of this, it's unusable unless you work on a 9:21 monitor.
+1 tabs everywhere!

In v3 you can switch between tabs using ctrl + tab, which made glancing at each tab very fast.
Also they were logically separated (for the most part) to tabs that made sense.

i.e: In firewall you had the general options (which 99% of the time you use), then more advanced options, then extra options, then the action which was the second most used tab, and then traffic. It all made sense and you could find what you needed in a glance.

Now you have to scroll, click/expand, search for stuff. And while in the field with small screen laptops, it kills the workflow.
Having a giant list of options is mentally taxing when trying to find stuff. Especially when everything is grey and you can distinguish anything.


Also on Windows 10 x64, when having multiple windows with lots of data (eg large routing table, lots of firewall rules, etc), when winbox refreshes the data every 1-2 seconds, everything freezes.
How to replicate: Open Interfaces window, preferable with many interfaces (in my case 40 interfaces), leave it open, now open IP > Routes, (you must have enough routes - in my case ~1900 routes), now try to move any window (or do anything else for that matter) and winbox freezes every 1-2 seconds. The easiest way to see the freeze in action, just grab a window and keep moving it around and around and it will keep freezing every 1-2 seconds.
 
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Crashes after wake from sleep with following in event log:-
- System
- Provider
[ Name] Application Error
[ Guid] {a0e9b465-b939-57d7-b27d-95d8e925ff57}
EventID 1000
Version 0
Level 2
Task 100
Opcode 0
Keywords 0x8000000000000000
- TimeCreated
[ SystemTime] 2024-09-13T20:46:48.1632265Z
EventRecordID 38444
Correlation
- Execution
[ ProcessID] 30780
[ ThreadID] 4272
Channel Application
Computer Marcus-Computer
- Security
- EventData
AppName WinBox.exe
AppVersion 0.0.0.0
AppTimeStamp 66e3ee08
ModuleName WinBox.exe
ModuleVersion 0.0.0.0
ModuleTimeStamp 66e3ee08
ExceptionCode c0000005
FaultingOffset 000000000207e32d
ProcessId 0x78e4
ProcessCreationTime 0x1db061131f32a83
AppPath C:\Users\xxx\OneDrive\Desktop\WinBox.exe
ModulePath C:\Users\xxx\OneDrive\Desktop\WinBox.exe
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A light touch on a scroll wheel is almost always faster/easier/better than repositioning you mouse on top of the dialog where the tabs are, potentially scrolling through the tabs, and finally clicking on one of them.
It depends. Things being static (always in same place) has advantages too, I always know where they are and don't need to look for them. E.g. if I want to see statistics for firewall rule, in WinBox 3 it was just one click on always the same place (the tab). In WinBox 4 it means scrolling, finding the right collapsed section and click to expand it. And the same goes for all now collapsed sections that were previously tabs. How is it better?

But fine, let's try with open mind. Current WinBox 4 layout could probably work after fixing obvious mistakes like non-expanded Action section for firewall rule (I need it for every single rule, so of course I don't want to manually expand it every time). I'm still not excited by necessary scrolling, but is really necessary?

In fact that's probably the main problem with whole WinBox 4. Everything in it is HUGE. Sure, there's zoom, so I can make it smaller, but it doesn't really help. Look at it:
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I'm currently trying to go with 84%, which already has smaller font than WinBox 3 and I'm still seeing much less info in same space.

It's the same problem that almost every new software has. Perhaps it's trying to be touch-friendly, which I'm sure is lovely for people who want it, and I wholeheartedly support them to have it. But that's not good reason to ruin things for everyone else who's not interested in that and would much rather prefer higher information density. So please, can we have optional "compact" version without useless margins and padding? It would help a lot.
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Sat Sep 14, 2024 2:14 am

+1 for tabs everywhere!

Beside of that: I'm starting liking it.
 
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when WiFi links change frequency due to DFS...
This! Is a pain in the proverbial.

Not only does Winbox4 close but it doesn't stay connected while waiting for the network to reconnect. When the network restores, you have to manually restart Winbox to continue on.

I agree with @pe1chl, please keep Winbox open for 1-3 minutes so it has a chance to reconnect to the network when such a change has been made.
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Just like that:

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+1, if possible. Great idea! Way more functional.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2024 4:58 am

This is a very nice update! Love the compromise with tabs vs dropdown, very creative solution. One small nitpick, still seeing this in the Info.plist on mac:
        <key>CFBundleIdentifier</key>
        <string>my.example.com</string>
Just a tiny little nitpick, but also trivial to fix.

Anyway, really love the direction on winbox4! I think you all don't get nearly enough positive feedback on this update.
 
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Nice to See the TABS Back!!!
 
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I've noticed, that your interface has some line drawing bugs.

First problem is that a thickness of lines is varying between 1 pixel and 2 pixels and depends on window position and size. I see this problem with many of the lines used for interface drawing. For example, window frame, separator above buttons, separator under window title. You can see it on screenshot below.
Second problem is that in some windows (not all), there is also a bug with bottom frame line color. As I see, you've made, that any window has blue title and frame when it's active and gray when it's inactive. But in some windows a bottom frame line is drawn gray when it's active.

These are small bugs, but they make the interface to look bad and unprofessional, please fix them.
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In fact that's probably the main problem with whole WinBox 4. Everything in it is HUGE. Sure, there's zoom, so I can make it smaller, but it doesn't really help. Look at it:

winbox4-firewall-rule.png

I'm currently trying to go with 84%, which already has smaller font than WinBox 3 and I'm still seeing much less info in same space.

It's the same problem that almost every new software has. Perhaps it's trying to be touch-friendly, which I'm sure is lovely for people who want it, and I wholeheartedly support them to have it. But that's not good reason to ruin things for everyone else who's not interested in that and would much rather prefer higher information density. So please, can we have optional "compact" version without useless margins and padding? It would help a lot.
These are basically my only major complaints since day one:

- wasted space
- color contrasts
- scannability
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:21 am

Already v4 is shaping up to be a fantastic release and full marks to the MT devs for getting the beta this far!

For me, there are only three things remaining (all have been mentioned before and acknowledged) that once resolved will allow me to move into field use:
  • LTE signal graphs re-introduced
  • Keeping Winbox windows open for 1-3 mins to re-establish network connection after certain settings have been made (see my previous post)
  • Groups for saved lists re-introduced
As v4 is in beta, meaning it's not yet ready for stable distribution, I'm more than happy to continue using v3 (which is stable) in the meantime.
Thanks again for the opportunity to post bugs and contribute to new feature ideas.

Keep up the awesome work!
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:42 pm

I am a strong flatpak supporter, but my vote still is for a solution that is independent from the way of distribution.

Creating a flatpak manifest around a statically compiled binary as it is now is no problem at all. I would even offer myself to do that, I already maintain a flatpak wrapping for another precompiled application.

Edit: Here you go, I created a working flatpak manifest: https://github.com/mkfrey/com.mikrotik.WinBox
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Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:57 pm

First let me say that I'm positively surprised on the responsiveness of the MT-devs to the (mostly constructive) feedback provided here.

Feedback to beta6 on ArchLinux (it's now getting at a point that I'll start using it actively rather than immediately reaching for v3):
*) keep password: I know it's a known issue on @Normis' sept 6 list, but given it's a potential security issue I'm raising it again with the urge prioritise for beta7: with "keep password" unchecked, after connecting to a saved (but encrypted) connection, the password is then remembered at opening a new Winbox allowing reconnect before providing the passphrase. After being done I know have remember to open a new Winbox, uncheck "keep password" and then close;
*) groups in the saved connections: already confirmed by @Normis, so great;
*) grid: to weigh in on a hopefully more than considering @Normis': the current zebra pattern is a bit much for me (in dark mode, exacerbated by the lack of contrast - already on the list)
*) tabs in windows: happy to see the tabs return on the main windows, leaving even more real estate than in v3. Good stuff.
*) groups in property dialogues (the expandable panes referred to as "dropdown" in some of the posts above - probably as opposed to "tabs" but to me distinctly different from the combo-boxes that where initially used at the window-level): what would be killer IMO and a huge benefit of v4-style groups vs v3-style tabs if:
-- on opening an existing rule/interface etc, besides the `general` group being fully expanded (keep that), to also (and only) have visible properties that are *set* (from their defaults) in the other groups
-- on expanding the groups making visible all properties in normal order
-- on collapsing the groups, consider to collapse all properties again - whether they are set or not - to also allow users to get things out of the way
This would provide a Ux roughly consistent with the CLI `print detail` (or `export`) having all set properties of a given interface, rule etc at first glance (why I often still revert to CLI to check a config rather than clicking and scrolling around);
*) groups in property dialogues: I´d probably still like status, statistics etc on a tab or maybe a different (expandable) pane, separate from configurable properties and directly accessible rather than first scrolling down and then having to click to expand the group;
*) buttons in windows: great to see the `enable`/`disable`/`remove` buttons be placed with the `new` again. But as someone else noted before, I agree it'd be a more consistent experience to always display these and just grey them out instead of having UI elements appearing and disappearing depending selection;
*) buttons in windows: while it's perhaps too big a change for many v3 users, placement of all buttons the actions pane (including `new`) would probably provide the most consistent Ux in the long run (i.e.: you always move your mouse to the right if you want to do something at the item/rule level). Although mouse travel distance may be less convenient when windows are very wide (i.e. top-left of a window may be considered more convenient than top-right);
*) comments in windows: it might be a matter of just getting used to just opening the full rule and edit the comment at the top, but for now I'm missing the v3-style comment as a separate button and dedicated dialogue (either as a top button or on the action pane);
*) resource panel: please make it configurable to appear top or bottom of the window (low prio);
*) native distribution on Arch is great, with kudos to @eworm for maintaining it (as well as the winbox3 package). I second the "no Snap or Flatpak" crap. Also would be hesitant on AppImage;

Probably more will come as I'll spend more time. Keep up the good effort.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:01 pm

Creating a flatpak manifest around a statically compiled binary as it is now is no problem at all.

In this aspect, cresting deb packets is not much different. Only that executable doesn't have to be statically linked, instead it's possible to declare dependencies and apt/apt-get/... will resolve those when installing (it'll automatically fetch and install necessary libraries). The only issue when preparing the .deb package is to do it on decently old distribution (but not too old) so that it requires dependencies with versions available on many distributions (and versions) which use deb packaging system (this allows to avoid preparing package for each distro/version combination known to the universe). The other thing is to prepare repository ... it's a pretty straight forward task, but allows for automatic upgrades (users don'tnneed to manually fownload deb files and install them).

And I imagine it's similar in rpm world.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2024 2:20 pm

I know. With flatpak you can also separate the binary and the statically linked dependencies and compile these separately btw. With the added benefit that the common runtime allows the execution of the application on multiple distros.

The benefit of having one statically compiled binary is that one can choose to package it as-is as an rpm, deb or flatpak without any further work required by Mikrotik devs. The only thing providing more flexibility would be to open source the software or provide a cmake/meson project for linking their compiled proprietary code against its dependencies.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2024 2:23 pm

A combo of Tabs+Dropdown list looks cool and does not occupy extra space of a window since it resides in the title bar! And it is still possible to have multiple windows of the same menu open (and even one with Tabs and another with Dropdown list :) ). That's brilliant!

*) groups in property dialogues (the expandable panes referred to as "dropdown" in some of the posts above - probably as opposed to "tabs" but to me distinctly different from the combo-boxes that where initially used at the window-level): what would be killer IMO and a huge benefit of v4-style groups vs v3-style tabs if:
-- on opening an existing rule/interface etc, besides the `general` group being fully expanded (keep that), to also (and only) have visible properties that are *set* (from their defaults) in the other groups
-- on expanding the groups making visible all properties in normal order
-- on collapsing the groups, consider to collapse all properties again - whether they are set or not - to also allow users to get things out of the way
That would be great I think. So essentially 3 states of those named groups (especially in Firewall rule properties window) would be welcome:
1. Collapsed
2. Partially expanded displaying only those properties that are set
3. Expanded
Most of firewall rules I have use just a few fields out of several dozen available...
Firewall rule partially expanded c.png
Firewall rule expanded c.png
*) groups in property dialogues: I´d probably still like status, statistics etc on a tab or maybe a different (expandable) pane, separate from configurable properties and directly accessible rather than first scrolling down and then having to click to expand the group;
I second that. It makes sense to separate configurable properties from statistics.

*) buttons in windows: great to see the `enable`/`disable`/`remove` buttons be placed with the `new` again. But as someone else noted before, I agree it'd be a more consistent experience to always display these and just grey them out instead of having UI elements appearing and disappearing depending selection;
I don't know whether graying out inactive buttons is better than hiding them, but I would make them at least looking in the same style (like the blue (+) icon for "New" button).
New button.png

Still cannot get used to the comments implementation (I have enabled "Inline Comments" in the app configuration menu). I think it will take some time.

Thanks for highlighting the right edge of a column in a table when hovering over the column title! I was having hard time before while trying to identify its position to resize a column.

Thanks for your hard work!
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Sat Sep 14, 2024 3:22 pm

The benefit of having one statically compiled binary is that one can choose to package it as-is as an rpm, deb or flatpak without any further work required by Mikrotik devs.

The cost is much bigger installable ... and some (functionality) problems when not using system-wide libc (and possibly some other system-wide libraries). Somebody already complained about the size of linux app (and it's not even statically linked). As I already explained, getting deb package definition file is not complicated at all, if package creation is streamlined into build process then all the dependencies can be made exactly right at no additional effort (and if package generation is not part of application build process, then dependencies can be handled with little to moderate effort).
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Sat Sep 14, 2024 4:08 pm

Please add FIND BOX to the rigth!!

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Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:51 pm

Hi,
missing vpn connection status such as winbox 3
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Sat Sep 14, 2024 11:58 pm

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I don't know if this bug has been reported or not - but I would like correct import and display of comments to the router list in the main Winbox window.
Looked at the calendar, it looks like 2024. I heard something about such a wonderful thing as Unicode and non-latin support. :P Joke!


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Also, if you create a new Winbox from a window with a dark theme, it will have a light-colored theme. I'm talking about creating a new Winbox using the New Winbox button.
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Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:05 am

*) return tab based interface, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
This is only half done. Most people want these WebFig style dropdowns as tabs too.
tabs_please.png
Agreed, Appreciate the tabs added to Winbox 4.0beta6 however its still a struggle with the collapsable info like IP address, traffic, status etc, it'd be great to have the option of drop down/tab in the same format as IP --> Firewall etc (Much like the old Winbox) as if the window is smaller you have to scroll to find the one you want then expand.

All going in the right direction though!
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:40 am

Hello,
Ping tool does not auto scroll,

Beta 4.6 win 64

ooops sorry , just seen its in the known issues list
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Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:43 am

tldr: Winbox 4beta generates WireGuard QR codes that Android WG app can not read; Winbox 3.41 is fine

Details:
Samsung Galaxy A15, Android 14 latest
WireGuard for Android v1.0.20231018
RouterOS 7.15.3 / fw 7.15.3 / RB5009
macOS Sonoma 14.6.1 / M1 Pro
Winbox 4beta(4,6)

Reproduce:
1) Create WG interface
2) Create WG peer to see QR code
3) Open Winbox 4beta, scan QR code with Android WG app → it won't scan
4) Open Winbox 4beta, scan QR code with iOS WG app → it will scan
5) Open Winbox 3.41, scan QR code with Android WG app → it will scan
6) Open Winbox 3.41, scan QR code with iOS WG app → it will scan

Anyone else have the same?
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:04 pm

*) return tab based interface, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
This is only half done. Most people want these WebFig style dropdowns as tabs too.
tabs_please.png
+1

tldr: Winbox 4beta generates WireGuard QR codes that Android WG app can not read; Winbox 3.41 is fine
[ ... ]
Anyone else have the same?
At least Winbox 4.0beta6 QR codes are readable with Android app for me.
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:29 pm

I am a strong flatpak supporter, but my vote still is for a solution that is independent from the way of distribution.

Creating a flatpak manifest around a statically compiled binary as it is now is no problem at all. I would even offer myself to do that, I already maintain a flatpak wrapping for another precompiled application.

Edit: Here you go, I created a working flatpak manifest: https://github.com/mkfrey/com.mikrotik.WinBox
There's one already waiting in Flathub queue: https://github.com/flathub/flathub/pull/5588
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:29 pm

How can I migrate my windows version .WBX file into the new beta6 for macOS ?
MacOS version is in .viw2 -format.
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:13 pm

Single click selects the element, but single click again does not deselect it.
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:01 pm

How can I migrate my windows version .WBX file into the new beta6 for macOS ?
MacOS version is in .viw2 -format.
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Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:18 pm

with beta6 it is getting up quite a notch! tabs+custom tabs+additional windows from same category -> excellent!
WBox4 is getting more and more usable! good work mikrotik!

few bits and bites which are on my mind immediately
- indent for "child interfaces" (VLANs under the parent IF) or "child queues" (sub-trees)
- pressing ENTER on a change applies the change and closes the window
- "open in new window" for a connection at the beginning
- "current open windows" solution inside a session (sure this will not be long from now )

good job MT
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:51 am

Hi There,

Other issue I found is that tools like ping/traceroute don't allow entering a FQDN like www.google.com. They always expect an IP address. This works in Winbox 3 and it is really useful for me!

Thank you!
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I also noticed you can't just enter the IP and hit enter like in winbox3, now it's a bit more cumbersome to have to then first click start.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:59 am

No, that won't work. The files are in different file types.. I followed the 1st post but it doesn't make sense when it's different filetypes. It won't recognize it....I have exported to wbx and the new one is viw2. ?
How can I migrate my windows version .WBX file into the new beta6 for macOS ?
MacOS version is in .viw2 -format.
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:18 am

Gradually trying to use this on a day-to-day basis

Minor requests
a) would be nice if the log window jumped to the bottom (most recent log entries) when opened like v3 does
b) on logon screen would be nice if when you opened the filter, it remembered if you last filtered by comment or address (especially now that comment is more important with the absence of groups)
c) has been mentioned before to bring back groups on logon screen.
d) also mentioned before tree view for interfaces showing vlan attached to parent interface.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:21 am

No, that won't work. The files are in different file types.. I followed the 1st post but it doesn't make sense when it's different filetypes. It won't recognize it....I have exported to wbx and the new one is viw2. ?


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You don't need to export it. Just find the old WinBox3 directory and move the files to the new WinBox4 directory and your saved routers will be shown. Import/Export is not needed in this case, as WinBox4 does not yet have any import button.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:31 am

+1 for tabs everywhere. I never used webfig because of this, it's unusable unless you work on a 9:21 monitor.
+1 from me... I think that "most people" DO want/prefer tabs to drop-downs.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:43 am

You don't need to export it. Just find the old WinBox3 directory and move the files to the new WinBox4 directory and your saved routers will be shown. Import/Export is not needed in this case, as WinBox4 does not yet have any import button.
But it is only the list of routers, not the saved sessions/workspaces, right?
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:01 am

not sure if anyone noticed, but neighbors on the winbox4 is responding much more quickly than win3
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:06 am

Agree, much much faster than V3
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:24 am

You don't need to export it. Just find the old WinBox3 directory and move the files to the new WinBox4 directory and your saved routers will be shown. Import/Export is not needed in this case, as WinBox4 does not yet have any import button.
But it is only the list of routers, not the saved sessions/workspaces, right?
Yes, there is no other import right now, only saved routers. As I said, it is in the known issues list.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:41 pm

In fact that's probably the main problem with whole WinBox 4. Everything in it is HUGE... I'm still seeing much less info in same space.

It's the same problem that almost every new software has. Perhaps it's trying to be touch-friendly, which I'm sure is lovely for people who want it, and I wholeheartedly support them to have it. But that's not good reason to ruin things for everyone else who's not interested in that and would much rather prefer higher information density.
EXACTLY THIS.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:23 pm

yesterday on linux - today some thoughts on windows beta6

- windows which get dragged inside WBox4 lag behind mouse cursor (knwon bug but on windows VERY sluggish)
- missing the "Find" text field to quickly highlight saved routers (patiently we wait :lol: )

- still i think that would be a HUGE feature --> Winbox Hotkey Support (a bummer :( ... ) viewtopic.php?p=1076997#p980023


- missing the "Open In New Window" option
- missing the "Show Categories" / "Groups" for saved routers
wbox4_03_16-09-2024.png

- indent for subs (already acknoledged! hope this will return in its old implementation)
wbox4_02_16-09-2024.png

- sadly, the victorious return of TABS did not succeed to all windows
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:30 pm

I love the way WB4 evolves.. Please add the link to the Application folder in the .dmg

It's common practice ;-)
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:32 pm

Please add tabs inside the interfaces, or add a feature that WinBox remembers which drop downs are shown.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:46 pm

It should be in a way that only sections with unset values are collapsed in dropdowns.

One possible way of "compromise" - bring tabs into object windows, but set them to auto-scroll to according section in window i.e. retain all in same window (as it is now), but with tabs that bring the feature back to people obsessed with it. This way people who want to waste time on clicking through tabs, can do so while others can just scroll through all values in same view...
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+1
I also noticed you can't just enter the IP and hit enter like in winbox3, now it's a bit more cumbersome to have to then first click start.
yes the ENTER key functionality has not arrived yet ... same with applying changes
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:57 pm

It should be in a way that only sections with unset values are collapsed in dropdowns.

One possible way of "compromise" - bring tabs into object windows, but set them to auto-scroll to according section in window i.e. retain all in same window (as it is now), but with tabs that bring the feature back to people obsessed with it. This way people who want to waste time on clicking through tabs, can do so while others can just scroll through all values in same view...

I've already proposed it in #978 and #979 viewtopic.php?t=210505&start=900#p1097134.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:03 pm

In fact that's probably the main problem with whole WinBox 4. Everything in it is HUGE... I'm still seeing much less info in same space.

It's the same problem that almost every new software has. Perhaps it's trying to be touch-friendly, which I'm sure is lovely for people who want it, and I wholeheartedly support them to have it. But that's not good reason to ruin things for everyone else who's not interested in that and would much rather prefer higher information density.
EXACTLY THIS.
I think everything is becoming bigger, because new devices have 4K and 5K screens and there everything is too small. The biggest downside of this is for older monitors and smaller resolutions, I guess.

P.S: of course the UX designers job is to somehow make all users happy, on small resolutions and large resolutions alike. My comment was about the general trend.
 
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At home where I use a local X server it works OK, but at work I use a VM as Linux workstation via Xtightvnc (an X server that provides a "tightvnc" server that I connect from the Windows machine) and an issue occurs:
Whenever I make a window larger, beyond some size it no longer re-draws, and when I restart WinBox it logs an error like this:
Warning: Ignoring window icon 1048578 exceeds maximum xcb request length 1048575 (:0, )
This apparently comes from the qt framework (I found the error text in the qt github).
But I have not seen other applications that show this behavior, also not when running very large window sizes.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:35 pm

The error message doesn't come from Qt, it comes from XCB ... which is (one of) implementation of client side of X11 protocol ... and here 'client side' is, contrary to usual situation, the side where application is running (i.e. your Linux workstation). And it seems that it's Xtightvnc who uses XCP instead of (more standard) Xlib. More on XCB in wikipedia article.
Proof that the error message is about XCB: you can look up description of xcb_get_maximum_request_length() function in XCB core API.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 4:27 pm

Yes, the problem is related to XCB, but the component that issues the error message is the XCB handling module of QT. You can find it here:
https://github.com/qt/qtbase/blob/dev/s ... window.cpp
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:29 pm

I got a crash report (look like null pointer) from MacOS (14.6.1 / X86), soon after coming out of sleep:
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000000000000
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x0000000000000000

Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 11 Segmentation fault: 11
Terminating Process: exc handler [14954]

VM Region Info: 0 is not in any region. Bytes before following region: 4370923520
REGION TYPE START - END [ VSIZE] PRT/MAX SHRMOD REGION DETAIL
UNUSED SPACE AT START
--->
__TEXT 104870000-106e5b000 [ 37.9M] r-x/r-x SM=COW /Applications/WinBox.app/Contents/MacOS/WinBox
I got a similar one in beta4. I'm not too concern, since it seems like one-off (as my computer has come back from sleep plenty of times). But if useful I can send the report in ticket. I did use the "Send to Apple" but I'm not sure y'all can see those since it's not in the App Store but dunno.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:49 pm

@Amm0 you can find crash report file (WinBox-<date>.ips) in directory ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports or from Crash Reports in Console app (Reveal in Finder on item context menu) and attach it into report ticket. They can use it to resolve symbols from build and find line in code where it crashes.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:01 pm

I been using on MAC M1, UI very intuitive and well presented.


Thank you Mikrotik !!!!
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:08 pm

One possible way of "compromise" - bring tabs into object windows, but set them to auto-scroll to according section in window i.e. retain all in same window (as it is now), but with tabs that bring the feature back to people obsessed with it. This way people who want to waste time on clicking through tabs, can do so while others can just scroll through all values in same view...
People who some call "obsessed" are maybe just "organized"?
In your shed, do you keep all the tools and stuff on one big pile and go through it every time you need a hammer or a shovel?

(let the war begin :) )
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:04 pm

Hammer...shovel, excellent tools to swat those pesky bugs!
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:41 pm

But while you're digging through all your tools until you find your shovel, hammer - or even maybe never find the shovel. 😂
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:59 pm

@normis: About making everyone happy, have you thought about support for customization?

It's just a rough idea, but I read a bit about Qt and it seems to be heavily customizable (sizes, colors, fonts, ...). It even supports styles using CSS. I'm not sure if WinBox uses exactly that, but some CSS can be seen in exe. Even if it's not CSS, you already use something for light/dark mode. So if you would provide your styling config as sample/template and allowed to read modified version from file(s), interested users could fine-tune some things for themselves. No need to make it user friendly. No editor in WinBox or anything like that. Just ability to use external style and that would be it.

It could be good also for branding, not only for whiners who don't fully appreciate your design choices. ;) Two birds with one stone.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:12 pm

Sounds interesting.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:21 pm

It could be good also for branding, not only for whiners who don't fully appreciate your design choices. ;) Two birds with one stone.
On the branding topic...
- Some "white label" version of winbox4, without any logos, be nice at some point. The old winbox was pretty generic and did not have any logos, just a few references to RouterOS.
- And/or, being able to replace the logos on a particular PC/laptop by placing image files in some specific file location (and in right size/format) also be nice as mini-branding kit for winbox (i.e. deploy a couple files in right directory, and new logos appear).
- And/or, if branding kit (.dpk package) was installed on the router, and a logo was inside package...then once logged, to a router with the branding kit (w/logo file in branding) appear in the upper-right corner instead of the mikrotik logo.

Outside branding... the logo on the login screen also uses up a lot of space. If there was no logo, then login info/etc could be on top/etc, so neighbors/winbox be allowed a wider view.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:25 pm

People who some call "obsessed" are maybe just "organized"?
In your shed, do you keep all the tools and stuff on one big pile and go through it every time you need a hammer or a shovel?

(let the war begin :) )
Well tabs inside of any window are good for organizing views by object type - technically these are just filtered views. Inside the object same concept does not work as all inside the object are part of this same object - if you take a firewall policy then all defined settings in it are parts of this same rule and you have to be able to see it all because all these parts do matter in similar way. That's why tabs do not work inside the single object.

And on this "organizing" obsession - not everybody wants things to be organized in same way. Maybe I do not want to have "Advanced" and then arbitrarily named "Extra" and then "Action" hidden in a next separate "locker". If you print the single policy out it is all in a single line - current object window layout corresponds better to the essence of the object that is a single object.
People with bigger screens are probably happy as well as they can utilize bigger workspace to view it all without scrolling. You cannot do that in Winbox 3 style view.

What comes to hammers and shovels - you might want to put wrenches, sockets and hammers into different drawers of your workbench, but one multi-part tool should have all its' parts in the same drawer.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:47 pm

new winbox 4 on linux issue: seems to resurface old 'Option sets' in ip->DHCP Server->Network screen and leases screen for no reason. even after deleting and saving, it still keeps it and does not want to delete it(when checked again). this is causing havoc in my network clients(took a long time to identify problem). have gone back to using old winbox for now where i am able to undo the damage.
@normis ,please add this issue to your tracker. cant use winbox4 without worrying about issues it will introduce without a fix.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:56 pm

I had to delete all DHCP option sets because of it, because this problem really exists - just like "Port: tcpmux" problem in Torch window
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:50 am

... if you take a firewall policy then all defined settings in it are parts of this same rule and you have to be able to see it all because all these parts do matter in similar way. That's why tabs do not work inside the single object.
I wouldn't go as far as saying that they don't work. But I have to admit that a lone option set on Advanced or Extra tab is easier to overlook. All options together can solve it, provided that there's some intelligent display, i.e. not as it's now when all sections except first one are always hidden and have to be expanded manually.

I'm also pretty sure that it would be possible to come up with more sensible grouping (different things together, order, perhaps even more collapsible sections). Which would be very annoying at first, but could be better in the end. If there's some system behind putting options in current Advanced and Extra, I didn't find it. Feels like it used coin toss between the two. ;)
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:55 am

Any chance we can choose auth method when authenticating Winbox users via RADIUS?

Thanks!
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:13 am

Hello,

I am troubleshooting a problem where I go to look at tools/graphing/interface and then I am booted out of Winbox after one second and everytime thereafter when I try to connect or reconnect to that same IP address. I am successful if I use another reachable IP address however. I installed Winbox 4b6 and it worked perfectly until I navigated back to tools/graphing/interface and then the same problem occurred.

I was going to try to clear the cache, but am unable to find that in Winbox 4b6. Can someone give me a hint? Maybe it does not exist yet.

Thanks!
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:30 am

When comments are inline, we can't resize the column. I'm using the Windows version.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:20 am

I am Missing Check for Update Button in new Winbox 4
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:18 am

Love Ver. 4 Support Thai Lang comment.
New Beta Can Support connect open New Winbox + Find
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:30 am

Hello,
how to launch WB4 in weston with xwayland enabled (Debian12)
Warning: could not connect to display :0 (:0, )
Warning: From 6.5.0, xcb-cursor0 or libxcb-cursor0 is needed to load the Qt xcb platform plugin. (:0, )
Info: Could not load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" in "" even though it was found. (:0, )
Fatal: This application failed to start because no Qt platform plugin could be initialized. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.

Available platform plugins are: xcb.
 (:0, )
Aborted
i make a short internet search:
libxcb-cursor0 installed, libxcb-xinerama also, 
adding QT_QPA_PLATFORM_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/platform/plugins does not work 
adding QT_DEBUG_PLUGINS=1
ignoring "org.qt-project.Qt.QPA.QPlatformIntegrationFactoryInterface.5.3" since plugins are disabled in static builds
shows on top
Help :)
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:36 pm

I am Missing Check for Update Button in new Winbox 4
It is automatically checking for updates upon launching
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:22 pm

Everything's fine on Gnome, which happens to be my main working environment on my main computer :-)

On Sway, however, it's blurry (because Sway doesn't support proper scaling on XWayland).

Are there plans to make the app work in pure Wayland mode?

Once we got rid of WINE, let's make another step - shake off X11 as well :-)
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:35 pm

Using the linux version, when there are overlapping windows on the workspace, and you click on something on the top window, it selects the window on the bottom instead. It makes it very difficult to use.
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:47 pm

Using the linux version, when there are overlapping windows on the workspace, and you click on something on the top window, it selects the window on the bottom instead. It makes it very difficult to use.
Which desktop environment? I can't reproduce this on Fedora Workstation 40 / Gnome.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:23 pm

if connection is not on the default port but gets redirected internally to 8291 (def. port) with a NAT redirect i cannot login from the WAN side
winbox v3 - no problem
winbox v4 - no login possible
(tried a static user and a 2FA user - v3 was OK but v4 error on both tries)

service itself is running on default port 8291:
/ip service print 
Flags: X - DISABLED, I - INVALID
Columns: NAME, PORT, ADDRESS, CERTIFICATE, VRF
#   NAME     PORT  ADDRESS          CERTIFICATE            VRF 
6   winbox   8291                                          main
NAT rule is
chain=dstnat action=redirect to-ports=8291 protocol=tcp src-address-list=RLB-RZ-WAN in-interface-list=WAN dst-port=801
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Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:16 pm

The first time you open the DHCP Server / Leases window, the Bridge Port displays the value “unknown”. After switching to another tab and back or reopening the window, the correct value is displayed.
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Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:16 pm

UI suggestion

- Ability to disable labels, like "CPU" or "Memory (Free/Used/Total)", in the "Resource panel" aka status bar. i.e. have some "icons only" option in settings for status/"resource panel". Currently, it often wraps the labels, which looks weird and wastes space when CPU etc are pretty obvious without any labels:
Screenshot 2024-09-17 at 10.59.53 AM.png
It takes a VERY big window (> ~1400px wide) to get all on one-line:
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Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:03 am

Am I doing something wrong or 4.0 beta6 does not save/remember any windows position or settings?
For example, under IP/Firewall, I am arranging the window just how I like it. If I close the Firewall window and open it again in the same session, everything is just how I set it, but if I disconnect and reconnect, everything is back to default.
 
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Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:33 am

Using the linux version, when there are overlapping windows on the workspace, and you click on something on the top window, it selects the window on the bottom instead. It makes it very difficult to use.
Which desktop environment? I can't reproduce this on Fedora Workstation 40 / Gnome.
Debian 12 / i3
 
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Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:28 am

spippan Are you using 4.0beta6? Could you please create a support ticket regarding the NAT login issue along with supuout.rif file made after the issue appears and other details - what system is the WinBox running on?
I tried reproducing the issue, but it seems to work as expected. Is the "auth challange failed" error present both for 2FA and static user?
 
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Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:08 pm

spippan Are you using 4.0beta6? Could you please create a support ticket regarding the NAT login issue along with supuout.rif file made after the issue appears and other details - what system is the WinBox running on?
I tried reproducing the issue, but it seems to work as expected. Is the "auth challange failed" error present both for 2FA and static user?
hi guntis
running winbox4 beta6 (but occured with previous winbox4 versions too) on windows 10 (22H2 19045.4894)
i rechecked that on 2 different machines today and it seems this rather is a local problem on my machine

is there a possibility on windows wo start winbox4 in "verbose mode" like on linux via shell?
 
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Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:41 pm

I played a little with SSH dynamic port forward in linux and it seems possible to combine Winbox 4 and SOCKSv5 proxy to access remote devices.
  • If remote machine for SSH tunneling is Mikrotik, then enable SSH forwarding:
    /ip ssh set forwarding-enabled=local
  • Connect to remote machine using -D parameter of SSH:
    ssh user@remote -D 1080
  • Install tsocks and check file '/etc/tsocks.conf' for similar configuration:
    server = 127.0.0.1
    server_type = 5
    server_port = 1080
  • Run:
    tsocks ./WinBox
Now it is possible to connect to devices that are available from remote machine only. (Neighbor protocol will not be tunneled and also mac winbox feature cannot be used this way).

This approach can be useful in special cases when remote devices are not available directly (and it is not possible or necessary to use RoMON). Also additional security may be involved. It can be useful to connect to remote mikrotik over SSH using public/private key pair instead of passwords - and then winboxing to the same machine using internal IP only (127.0.0.1 will not be available because it is used by SOCKS itself, but any other IP which is already present in the router, can be used - or add special IP to loopback just for purpose for winbox login).
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:52 am

I'm also of the opinion that table content rendering in old winbox is better (all white background + grid lines). And also on old winbox I like how white color is dedicated to data(content) background, and light gray - to controls. Very clear that way.
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:35 pm

Better contrast in lists and tables would definitely be better. If list/table/editable object background would be white or darker (on dark theme) then disabled entries will be better visible then now.
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:15 pm

Just tested beta6 and this one is still showing the password in plain text, most likely missing parameter to hide passw if "hide password" is enabled
Fond small bug with "Hide password" not actually hiding the password

Steps to reproduce:
WiFi -> Configuration -> open existing configuration -> chose existing Security profile -> password will be shown in plain text

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Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:54 pm

WinBox 4 not hiding inherited passphrase is a known issue that will be addressed in future releases.
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:01 pm

ok, I did not see it in the list of known issues so wanted to mention it again in case it got missed
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:51 pm

Please post all change logs in the first post, as well.
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:36 pm

Please post all change logs in the first post, as well.
It is available on the download page, the icon with itemized list next to the download dropdown. Right now it points to https://download.mikrotik.com/routeros/ ... /CHANGELOG
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:21 pm

Awesome news!

Now, I tested 4.0beta1 and 4.0beta3 on macOS (Sonoma on M3, against ROS 7.15.3) and it fails to connect with the following (WinBox 3 via Wine still ok):
ERR: Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout
(while at it, please allow for copying error messages)

If only you'd taken the opportunity to change that meaningless (if not entirely misleading) name, now that its Windoze shackles are finally off :)

Thanks and keep it up!
Unfortunately, no change with 4.0beta6...
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:48 pm

Hy,
Looking sooo fine but i will be happy if you bring back:
ESC key for close windows
Tree menu in interface list. Is more useful to view vlans like submenu of interface
Tabs in firewall and other windows instead drupdown list arrow
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:13 am

I like the b6 tab setup. Option to hide them, or have a certain selection is really nice.

terminal is a wreck for me though. some commands, namely ping, often don't work. up arrow 'forgets' what was typed when it doesn't work so I find myself having to copy and paste the command. It's infuriating. This is the case on multiple machines for me, mac and windows.

I still find that though most things are similar enough, and the tabs help a lot, it's still much slower and less efficient to use v4. The tabs in interfaces and bgp connections were quicker to use without both a scroll and an unroll to get to features. I like the higher level tabs but I actually like someone else's suggestion of a shortcut under the titlebar that would 'unroll' the section and move you down to it. that shortcut bar being stuck to the top so it's always visible. It would do most of what tabs did without re-implementing tabs.

For example, to get the traffic graph you A) scroll down B) expand C) scroll down again. Vs the old tab which was 1 click away usually, though there was a horizonal scroll sometimes. The shortcut model I think is superior to both.

I would love to see an option to get thicker window borders. I have some RSI issues and use an ergo mouse and have lose some level of precision in that, makes hitting the 1 pixel wide borders tough.

inline comments are really obnoxious being collapsed and requiring a click on the titlebar. I change them to non-inline to solve this but that's a bit less readable. Would be nice to either auto-size to the comment size and not be collapsed by default

I really miss being able to re-arrange columns.

I also REALLY miss the 'open in new window' option. I use romon a lot and getting to something behind romon needs a new window, connect to romon, then connect to site. open in new window is way way nicer for those that use romon heavily.

feature-request: Have a romon-to-routerboard savable. ie, I want to get to Router23 which is a hub site on the network, I'd love to click on that in the saved box and have it connect to romon on the edge and then connect to Router23 in one 'connect'.
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:03 am


EXACTLY THIS.
I think everything is becoming bigger, because new devices have 4K and 5K screens and there everything is too small. The biggest downside of this is for older monitors and smaller resolutions, I guess.

P.S: of course the UX designers job is to somehow make all users happy, on small resolutions and large resolutions alike. My comment was about the general trend.
We've been solving for this for years with dynamic layouts and scaling. At the end of the day, it isn't perfect, as you have some minimums to represent information in terms of number of pixels (an icon scaled down to 3 pixels to fit on a 30x30 pixel screen isn't usable) but any good windowing library should handle this well if utilized properly.
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:56 pm

I remind you that not everyone is "playing" at home on sofa, with dimmed ligths, with WinBox in 4K.
There are also people who really work and find themselves working on site with very normal laptops, and under direct sunlight...
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:21 pm

As Winbox 4 is based on Qt... shouldn't it be possible to have more flexibility in theming/appearance compared to old platform?
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:50 pm

Some thoughts about colors and design:

I beleive there is a reason for high contrast and readability in this kind of applications. I know WinBox is not a nuclear power plant controll system, but sleek design could be sacrifice to usability and clarity in this case. This is a kind of application for quick and still responsible changes on running environment. For fancy look and feel there is a WebUI.

Beta6 is a great leap forward, but still more contrast is needed (by me). Also theming option (for example in form of external config file) can solve this kind of issue. Setting of colors and font weights would be great for the beginning - I don't want to create LCARS inspired interface (even if it will be awesome :)).
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:24 pm

running beta6 on macOS14.6.1 for three days now, getting used to the new look & feel.
1. had a crash when I first saved a workspace.
2. red font in dark mode is nigh unreadable (37" 3440x1400px, no scaling)
3. all fonts appear oversoftened and take a lot more effort to scan across compared to Winbox3 on Wine. dark mode fonts appear crisper.
4. in bright mode, tables need more contrast between lines and clearer borders

will be sticking to Winbox3 for the moment, but am really looking forward to the moment shifting to a native macOS app :)
 
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running beta6 on macOS14.6.1 for three days now, getting used to the new look & feel.
1. had a crash when I first saved a workspace.
2. red font in dark mode is nigh unreadable (37" 3440x1400px, no scaling)
3. all fonts appear oversoftened and take a lot more effort to scan across compared to Winbox3 on Wine. dark mode fonts appear crisper.
4. in bright mode, tables need more contrast between lines and clearer borders

will be sticking to Winbox3 for the moment, but am really looking forward to the moment shifting to a native macOS app :)
I'm also using MacOS with the current winbox4 beta6. Will be sticking with winbox3 for now using Wine.

I agree with the fonts and tables / comments needing more contrast. Way to light with regular non dark mode...

Also, please bring back tabbed mode for configuration options. Do not like the list view for editing rules or making config changes. This is much to closely resembling WebFig.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2024 11:33 am

As Winbox 4 is based on Qt... shouldn't it be possible to have more flexibility in theming/appearance compared to old platform?
Yes, I would think so. Ideally there would be the capability of loadable skins like with Firefox.
Lacking that, there should at least be the possibility of a "custom" mode alongside "light" and "dark", where in that custom mode the user can enter color codes for different elements of the user interface (the same as those that now change for light and dark mode).
 
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- Groups are missing for now, until they return, you can use Comment (previously called Note) field to sort similar items
That´s is like Aple forgetting to add mouse support to newer MacOS and telling users to use keyboard instead. :-)
Seems that you think its not very important feature, but in fact is very useful for people with tens of devices to manage, from several clients.
I was very happy when you added it to winbox, and was wondering when you will do it. Until then, I did use comments, like client1.routerx cilient1.routery, client21.routerx ant so, and sorting. But being able to expand and collapse by client is far more useful and usable than that.


I´ll wait for it before using 4 for production work

Thanks
 
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Thank you for bringing back tabs in main windows. Now I have a small list of material bugs:
* IP->DHCP Server->Leases - the "Make static" action button is always active, even for static entries. It should be disabled or disappear for such entries.
* In firewall filter rule list, if I scroll down using keyboard down arrow, the cursor (highlighted line) goes out of view; I would expect the rules to scroll and highlighted line to always be visible.
* For main Winbox window, please bring back groups for entries. They were wonderful, e.g. "Home", "Customer A", "Customer B" etc. and each contained multiple entries.
* In firewall filter rules there's the Remove button for entries like "special dummy rule to show fasttrack counters". Please make the button disappear for such entries.
* Esc key doesn't close dialogs or windows. Please really bring it back.

And now wish list:
* In v3 the Ctrl+Tab switched between various tabs, e.g. Filter->Nat->Mangle etc. It also switched between tabs in dialog windows (e.g. edition of firewall rule) Please bring this feature to v4.
* In the dialog windows (such as editing rule in firewall), please also bring the dropdown and tabs that would take me straight to individual sections. There's lots of scrolling/clicking when I need to go to "Action" or "Statistics".
* The buttons to the right of the windows (like the above "Make static") are a humongous waste of space. I could fit a lot more data in the screen (adding some important columns to tables) if these buttons remained at the top... This issue doesn't apply to individual dialogs, because they don't have too much data horizontally. The Winbox3 design was optimal with this respect.
* Having "Cancel" next to the delete icon is a dangerous choice. Thanks to the confirmation dialog I did not delete some important stuff, because I missed "Cancel" and clicked delete icon. I think it'd be better to keep cancel next to OK and Apply, and have the delete icon separated as it is.

Thank you.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:06 am

Unsure if its been mentioned but its not pinned in the first post

- Indentation with sub-interfaces (i.e. VLANs) is missing
i.e.
ether2
-ether2.100 - Customer A VRF
--ether2.100.20 - VoIP

I've always been in the habit of labeling sub interfaces based on the primary. But when logging into a router that other people havn't followed that convention its even worse trying to figure out what is what
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ether2
Customer_A_VRF - VLAN 100
VoIP - VLAN 20

Very difficult to know they are related when not indented
 
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It is in the first post though

> Missing tree view of sub-items in tables, like VLANs, Queues, etc.
 
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Today was my first opportunity to put v.4.06 through it's paces, albeit LTE. Here's what I found in addition to previously reported bugs.
  • Reboot from the GUI doesn't seem to work, at least not while in the LTE interface module. Or maybe it does work, but there was nothing to say that it was rebooting and after a while (2-3 mins) I closed out of v.4 and went back to v.3 and rebooted the device from there. Sorry, I didn't test using terminal.
  • I agree with others that the collapsible list while in the LTE tab needs work. On a small laptop (as most would have in the field) it's very awkward to manually scroll from list to list, particularly from general to traffic. A better approach maybe when the user chooses a list item then all the other list items close automatically. Or, restore the tabs as in v.3 which IMO would be the better option.
Other than that (and other mentioned issues), it's shaping up to be an awesome, stable release.

Using Debian 12 (LMDE6)
 
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I have some problem on Windows, after trying launch the app nothing happening. Nothing show, no menu, nothing in event log, no window, just nothing, in task manager it doesn't even show the process. What i can do?
 
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What OS are you using, @Hakens? I assume Windows, as you are referring to taskmanager.
Is it shown on the taskbar? Where is the executable located?
Have you tried removing it and afterwards, download it again (and start it from the Downloads folder)?

I ran into the (different) problem that the window was invisible, and couldn't change it by using WinKey + Arrow up. Turned out that I could make it visible again by right clicking the icon in the taskbar and select maximize.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:23 pm

What OS are you using, @Hakens? I assume Windows, as you are referring to taskmanager.
Is it shown on the taskbar? Where is the executable located?
Have you tried removing it and afterwards, download it again (and start it from the Downloads folder)?

I ran into the (different) problem that the window was invisible, and couldn't change it by using WinKey + Arrow up. Turned out that I could make it visible again by right clicking the icon in the taskbar and select maximize.
Windows 10 in company, i dont have adm privilages i download the app and unzip in Download folder and launch from there. After click 2 times on icon - nothing as if I didn't click
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:31 pm

My best guess would be a security policy of some kind. Would that be possible? Have you tried asking support?
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:49 pm

In a reasonably configured company environment, running exe files from the download folder is not allowed...
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:17 pm

When I select some saved item on WinBox login page in v3, it sets a focus to password field and it was very convenient. Please make v4 to behave same way.
 
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In a reasonably configured company environment, running exe files from the download folder is not allowed...
This is endpoint protection for non-technical users. I think not relevant for network admin domain.

Even then, power users usually can get around it. Either directly by themselves, or can have exe put into correct place by "security" admins (MDM).
 
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I am behind an proxy but have a firewall exception for WinBox port. Unfortunately when I try to connect with WinBox 4, WinBox reports "ERR: Proxy denied connection." How to tell WinBox 4, to "NOT" use the proxy? This is WinBox 4.0beta6 on Windows 11, 10.0.22631.4169.
 
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I'm running beta 6 on MacOS13.

Still can't L2 connect (connect to Mac address instead of IP) to a Mikrotik device without getting an error.

Error: "Could not connect. MacConnection syn timeout"

Reproduced the same problem on another Mac as well.
 
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I'm running beta 6 on MacOS13.
[...]
Error: "Could not connect. MacConnection syn timeout"
Did you look in System Preferences under Security > Firewall? There are setting to that control "incoming connections", it has to allow it from "downloaded apps". See https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-hel ... 0/mac/13.0
 
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@normis Winbox 4 beta 6

Can't add new interface lists. I can create them in the terminal and then add / remove members in Winbox but can't create a new list.
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:27 am

Nice new look and great work...

But I observed that;
=> SEARCH function missing
=> MAC Address LOGIN not supported
 
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@ilium007

I tested now and you can create new list and add interfaces to it no problem on beta 6.

@davidolaj

What do you mean MAC login is not supported ? I can login using MAC without a problem.
 
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Cannot get Winbox 4 (Windows version) to connect to my LTAP Mini, throws the error "ERR: Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout"

Winbox (64bit) v3.40 is working just fine however,

Any idea on how to rectify this issue? judging by some of the comments above, i'm not the only person getting this issue.
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:25 am

I think it is not in the known issues list, I will leave my experience here:

- Telnet client crashes winbox completely when a command outputs a lot of data.
- Setting VLAN MTU didn't work and actually got stuck at a null value, I had to restore it with old winbox.
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:50 am

I am missing a lot of keyboard functions such as page up/down, ctrl+e etc..
 
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I am missing a lot of keyboard functions such as page up/down, ctrl+e etc..
You read post #1 instead of random posting something?
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:13 pm

Please add the Search and Highlight function like in the old winbox version
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:17 pm

Please add the Search and Highlight function like in the old winbox version
You read post #1 before posting?
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:40 pm

Hi,

From my point of view, it seems "impossible" to work with the new winbox until we have the following:

Missing tree view of sub-items in tables, like VLANs, Queues, etc.

Thank you.
 
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+1000
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 2:19 pm

You read post #1 before posting?
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 2:21 pm

Winbox for Windows 4beta6
when I view Logs window I am not able scroll past the Top and Bottom using the up arrow or down arrow ... I have to use the scrolling bar to move back and forth past the top or Bottom of the window ...
 
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@infabo: He quote, so have read... ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)



@mozerd: I don't think things have changed in the time of a few posts...
there are practically no keyboard shortcuts/commands (for now, I hope...)
 
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@rextended, I now see your point .... this Topic is so huge its impossible for me to track all the comments ... thanks for the heads up :-)
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:43 pm

I have been using this for a couple weeks now and I love it.
Took a bit to get used to the theme change.
I use linux machines exclusively. So far I have to say the app image works perfectly.
I have even uploaded it to machines with that run the desktop environment virtually and its works perfectly.
The instructions for copying the saved sessions worked perfectly when I used them. Didn't bother on all my machines.
Archlinux is my primary distro, flawless so far. I have used it on a few ubuntu machines, flawless as well.
Great Job!
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:56 pm

On beta6, I keep getting a crash if the wrong workspace is selected that was used with a chateau LTE12, it will cause winbox to just close once connected.
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2024 11:01 pm

Is it planned to manage multiple devices on the same window with tabs (one dev per tab, like firefox) ?
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:54 pm

Hi! Don’t reset the router and then access it with Winbox 4.

When this happen?
It seems there are permission problems after the default script is applied.

Model: CCR2004-16G-2S+

Issues
Can’t change group
Can’t change password
Can’t access logs
Can’t access console
Can't check for updates

Work around the problem:
Reset it again and set it up through Winbox 3, then use Winbox 4 if you like.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:00 pm

What's new in v4.0beta8:

- Make font darker for light mode
- Improve font rendering in windows multiline text widget
- Change selected text color for multiline text widget

What's new in v4.0beta7:

- Some error messages were not shown
- Properly sort dropdown items
- Some default values did not match console defaults
- Activate opened subwindow tab in views where subwindow opened from form
- Better handle workspace names with special characters
- Improve performance when selecting large number of rows
- Improve performance for tables where data is auto refreshed
- Change text selection color
- Focus on the first input field when opening a subwindow form
- Select all text when changing fields with Tab
- Add submitting forms with Enter key
- Fix bottom frame border
- Fix missing WiFi icon
- Fix some buttons in form windows (e.g. Renew CHR License)
- Fix black screen on some Linux distros (e.g. Ubuntu 20.04.6)
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:30 pm

Still no ESC key to close windows and no left / right mouse scroll in wide windows.

That aside, Winbox 4 native on macOS is great after all these years running Wine!
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:50 pm

@ilium007

I tested now and you can create new list and add interfaces to it no problem on beta 6.
Got it... didn't even realise there was a right hand side UI element -> Configuration > Lists.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 4:10 pm

- Focus on the first input field when opening a subwindow form
- Select all text when changing fields with Tab
- Add submitting forms with Enter key
It be nice if <tab> go through ALL the setting in a dialog box. Specifically <tab> should:
- open the collapsed sections when <tab>'ing (if the editable options in the section)
- <tab> should also navigate to dropdown/etc too (where up/down arrow should work) – not just edit boxes

More keyboard shortcuts be nice/needed... But if you can go through all the options in a item/setting dialog via <tab> ... that loosely match the CLI where <tab> does similarly go through all the attributes, including the choices/enums/"dropdown" .

And still hoping to see something better than the webfig-like sections - getting to status/stats at bottom is just SO many mouse movements.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 4:35 pm

I don't get this right-hand side thing. It is taking away precious space or unnecessary hiding other windows.
What was wrong with having those under the tab-bar?
Screenshot_20240925_151056.png
Yes, I know that in Winbox 3 we have OK, Cancel, Apply, etc in dialogs in exactly the same right-hand space, but there are often more buttons, so it is kind of justifiable. Now, in Winbox 4 you moved some to the bottom, and there is still right-hand side empty "thing"... WHY?

I must say that I hate these new UI designs (and designers) and changes of the good thing to bad just for the sake of change...
I know, we'll get used to this in time, if we use it fo long enough, but it will still be ugly and useless.

Btw, old Winbox is still much more readable, with visible field borders and without "zebras".
It may not be "pretty", but it is "usable", and that is what is important for a tool like Winbox.
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I have previously reported this bug, but I don't see it in the known issues, so I am reporting it again. Apologies if I am mistaken and it is already known.
I have found a bug in the way IPs are sorted, which only affects RouterOS 7.In RouterOS 7, the order is incorrect and varies from one session to another.
If I disable and enable the rules, their order also changes, and sometimes they are arranged correctly.
RouterOS7.png

In RouterOS 6, the order is always correct.
RouterOS6.png
In the tests I show, I used CHR routers and static routes, but the same happens with real routers and OSPF.

On the other hand, I found a detail that was clearer in Winbox 3.When you had routes with the same destination, the inactive route would be displayed in blue, making it easy to distinguish. Now you can only rely on the flags.
Winbox3:
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:03 pm

I have a couple wishes for the Wireless Tables - Registration view:
When right clicking one of the registered clients you can login to client with Telnet or MAC Telnet. It would be nice to have Winbox as an option - MAC or IP (from Last IP field).
Also, in addition to Last Activity field and Tx/Rx Bytes field it would be nice to have actual traffic/sec (last sec or last 5 sec).
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:36 pm

Would it be possible to provide executable for one of the following architectures:
* Windows 32-bit
* Linux aarch64
* Windows ARM64

I am running WinBox3 32-bit executable on my Raspberry PI with emulation and it works great. All of above options will work for my usecase.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:35 pm

TAB key works in an unusual way by switching the focus between UI elements through ALL open windows, while its scope from my point of view should be limited by the active window only.
If you look at Chrome, Firefox, Windows Explorer, etc., switching between tabs is done with Ctrl+TAB, whereas TAB is limited to the active tab only.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:59 pm

I have previously reported this bug, but I don't see it in the known issues, so I am reporting it again. Apologies if I am mistaken and it is already known.
I have found a bug in the way IPs are sorted, which only affects RouterOS 7.In RouterOS 7, the order is incorrect and varies from one session to another.
If I disable and enable the rules, their order also changes, and sometimes they are arranged correctly.
Hmm, I dont' see this problem with IPv4 addresses, but I have it in IPv6 windows like IPv6 addresses and IPv6 routes.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:04 pm

Groups Groups!
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:14 pm

Hi,

@normis, Is there any timeline for implementing this?

 Missing tree view of sub-items in tables, like VLANs, Queues, etc.
Thanks!
 
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hi,
auto scroll not work in ping-action-window
 
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Please add colors in log
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:01 pm

It seems that winbox4 uses UTF-8 (finally), just like (probably) your web browser running webfig.
Ah, but the WinBox4 Terminal is like weird transfer area at an airport ;) Take some UTF-8 stuff in an interface name/comment:
UTF8inInterfaceWinBox4Window.png
If one follows the UTF-8 is the "codepage" for WinBox4, its terminal should also render UTF-8. What I've found is the WinBox4 Terminal uses the hexstring for high-ASCII, same as other terminal/ssh/etc:
UTF8inInterfaceUsingWinBox4Terminal.png
So - feature request re UNICODE - the WinBox4 Terminal should render UTF-8, not the hexstrings. It seems RouterOS can know it's a WinBox4 terminal & avoid the "hexstring substitution"... But currently even if raw UTF-8 get's in to the Terminal, it does even show that - while SSH does:
RawUTF8StringRenderedAsSpaceInWinBox4.png
RawUTF8StringRenderedCorrectlyInSSH.png
Perhaps this is solvable by some "/console/settings/set outputUtf8=yes" ... but it would be nice to see UTF-8 so if one did use that in WinBox4, the UTF-8 render in at least that terminal.
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Still waiting a way to import and export address book and section....
Still don't know the reason that was removed in the first place..
 
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Features request : make log message display as a "textarea" instead a long, very long line...
 
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BUG?drop-drop file(s) fails with error message about disk space
(MacOS 15.0 / WinBox4 beta8)

My test router has a raid1/ volume with 50GBs free, but the root does have limited space. Upload the WinBox4 button, works fine. But when I drag a file from finder to a disk or directory under raid1/..., I get an error message:
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IDK the issue, but maybe it's trying to write it to the SAME path? Using that path...would not work since only a starting path of raid1/ would have enough room. BUT... I did drop it only a specific directory/disk/area - and that's what directory should be used "on drop". Tried a few different places and other files, but all failed similarly.
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Not sure if this is a 7.16 or Winbox 4 Beta 8 issue, since I just got this device today and immediately updated it to 7.16.

With an almost empty configuration, a minute or so after I have created an empty bridge on the device, Winbox 4.0beta8 would fail to connect to the device with a "MacConnection syn timeout" error, though the old winbox continues to work with no issue.

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[myuser@MikroTik] > /export      
# 1970-01-02 00:20:33 by RouterOS 7.16
# software id = VJPT-SQGP
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# model = C52iG-5HaxD2HaxD
# serial number = HG209NTVAFV
/interface bridge
add name=bridge
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add comment="allow macwinbox on all" include=all name=macwinbox
/interface wifi security
add authentication-types=wpa2-psk disabled=no name=mywifi
/interface wifi
set [ find default-name=wifi2 ] configuration.mode=station .ssid=mywifi\
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set [ find default-name=wifi1 ] configuration.mode=station .ssid=mywifi\
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set discover-interface-list=!dynamic
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Still no ESC key to close windows...
Oh boy, I am getting soooo tired of this. It has been said many times now that MT has taken a global approach in terms of software development by using CTRL-W/CMD-W instead of ESC to close windows. IE: there will be no ESC in v4. Use CTRL-W or CMD-W instead.

These are the only key shortcuts that have been implemented in v4 so far.

Please read the thread through before posting.
 
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I don't get this right-hand side thing. It is taking away precious space or unnecessary hiding other windows.
What was wrong with having those under the tab-bar?
I disagree. I quite like the approach MT has taken here. It's easier to find the actions and configuration options at a glance and I can still see all the relevant device information I need, viewing on a 14" laptop screen. Admittedly, I've changed the Winbox interface zoom level to 84% which decreases the font size while at the same time allowing more device information to be seen. It was a win-win for me. I got a smaller font and more of the device info i need.
 
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any chance of fixing mpls traffic engineering? tunnel path added with gui gets exported in terminal as ',' and doesn't work (just like in v3)
 
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Thanks Mikrotik for building a Linux version of WinBox 4, but I getting the following error. "err: could not connect, Macconnection syn timeout"
This error occurs with mac address logins it does not seem to occur when the router has default config ip address.
Similar to what burnduck posted but I only got the error on Linux not Windows.
Computer Software: (WinBox 4 beta8 Linux version, Fedora 40 workstation)
Router: Mikrotik hAP ac2 RouterOS version 7.16 with wifi-qcom-ac
The error does not occur with WinBox 3.41 64bit on Windows 11. I could not reproduce this error with Windows version of WinBox 4 beta 8.
burnduck posted "With an almost empty configuration" which is similar my experience after hardware reset of router
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:21 pm

Still no ESC key to close windows...
Oh boy, I am getting soooo tired of this. It has been said many times now that MT has taken a global approach in terms of software development by using CTRL-W/CMD-W instead of ESC to close windows. IE: there will be no ESC in v4. Use CTRL-W or CMD-W instead.

These are the only key shortcuts that have been implemented in v4 so far.

Please read the thread through before posting.

What is "global" in this approach? For DECADES (more than 40 years), ESC has been the standard for closing/dimissing dialogs in the PC world. MikroTik's excuse that it clashes with the Terminal is BS. Just don't enable it in terminal windows but keep it for all other dialogs.
 
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Thanks Mikrotik for building a Linux version of WinBox 4, but I getting the following error. "err: could not connect, Macconnection syn timeout"
This error occurs with mac address logins it does not seem to occur when the router has default config ip address.
Similar to what burnduck posted but I only got the error on Linux not Windows.
Computer Software: (WinBox 4 beta8 Linux version, Fedora 40 workstation)
Router: Mikrotik hAP ac2 RouterOS version 7.16 with wifi-qcom-ac
The error does not occur with WinBox 3.41 64bit on Windows 11. I could not reproduce this error with Windows version of WinBox 4 beta 8.
I've just tried logging in using a MAC address with no problem using Winbox 4beta8 on Debian 12 (LMDE6), ROS v.7.15.3. Could be a bug with the 7.16 version?
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:34 pm

Thanks Mikrotik for building a Linux version of WinBox 4, but I getting the following error. "err: could not connect, Macconnection syn timeout"
This error occurs with mac address logins it does not seem to occur when the router has default config ip address.
Similar to what burnduck posted but I only got the error on Linux not Windows.
Computer Software: (WinBox 4 beta8 Linux version, Fedora 40 workstation)
Router: Mikrotik hAP ac2 RouterOS version 7.16 with wifi-qcom-ac
The error does not occur with WinBox 3.41 64bit on Windows 11. I could not reproduce this error with Windows version of WinBox 4 beta 8.
I've just tried logging in using a MAC address with no problem using Winbox 4beta8 on Debian 12 (LMDE6), ROS v.7.15.3. Could be a bug: V4beta8 vs. Fedora?
 
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Very little down to nothing was done to UI coloring. Darker font in Light mode? Is that even noticeable? Why are comments so light? Almost not readable? Please, if not colors, then let's us set the tone. Still no ability to influence the row zebra coloring or have line row separators.
 
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CGGXANNX Sorry what? Which programs close with ESC in Windows? It has been CTRL+W and CMD+W in all software I know. Winbox was the exception.
 
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For DECADES (more than 40 years), ESC has been the standard for closing/dimissing dialogs in the PC world.
Honestly, you made me laugh. I've been around computers for 36 years. And I can't think of a “great many” programs, where windows are closed with the ESC key.
 
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CGGXANNX Sorry what? Which programs close with ESC in Windows? It has been CTRL+W and CMD+W in all software I know. Winbox was the exception.

Almost every dialog in Windows??? Press Win+R to use the Run dialog and ESC close it??? Everything with a Cancel button can be closed/dismissed by pressing ESC for 40 years. WinBox is not an operating system. Its windows and dialogs are not "Programs". Can you close the font dialog in Notepad with Ctrl+W??? Can you close the "Open file" dialog with Ctrl+W? Ctrl+W has only recently become the shortcut for closing tabs in browsers. In Windows, for decades, dialogs are closed with ESC. And for programs with floating sub-windows (like WinBox), the old term for it is MDI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple- ... _interface, the standard shortcut to close the sub-windows (those that are not dialog and are without Cancel Button) has always been Ctrl+F4, not Ctrl+W. Alt+F4 closes the outer program, Ctrl+F4 closes the MDI windows. Even now in Web browsers like Edge or Firefox (I don't install Chrome) Ctrl+F4 works perfectly as the shortcut to close the tabs. Having used Windows since over three decades, I always close my browser tabs with Ctrl+F4. Ctrl+W was really an imported foreign shortcut for the Windows world!

A well-behave program in the Windows world always supports closing dialog with a "Cancel" button present by pressing ESC. And Ctrl+F4 is the standard shortcut for closing MDI sub windows (those that are not dialog (without OK/Cancel buttons)). See the list here please. https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/mast ... w10general

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Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:25 am

Not sure if this is a 7.16 or Winbox 4 Beta 8 issue, since I just got this device today and immediately updated it to 7.16.
I have this same issue using the beta Winbox 4 on macOS where it seems unable to determine which adapter to use to make the connection. I can connect to the default route but it will not allow any connections to any other devices other than the default route.

edit: updated from Winbox 4 beta 6 to 8 on macOS 15 and it is now working for me.
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:28 am

CGGXANNX Sorry what? Which programs close with ESC in Windows? It has been CTRL+W and CMD+W in all software I know. Winbox was the exception.

Almost every dialog in Windows??? Press Win+R to use the Run dialog and ESC close it??? Everything with a Cancel button
That is COMPLETELY different. Cancel is not same as Exit or Close. Winbox has no cancel buttons. It is an application. Try to close Chrome, Notepad or Photoshop! CTRL+W

Cancel is for prompts, not apps!
 
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Almost every dialog in Windows??? Press Win+R to use the Run dialog and ESC close it??? Everything with a Cancel button
That is COMPLETELY different. Cancel is not same as Exit or Close. Winbox has no cancel buttons. It is an application. Try to close Chrome, Notepad or Photoshop! CTRL+W

Cancel is for prompts, not apps!

Sorry, but the fact that the label on the button says "Close" doesn't make that button behave any different than a "Cancel" button on dialogs with "OK/Cancel" buttons or "Save/Cancel" button or "Open/Cancel", or "Apply/Cancel", or "Confirm/Dismiss" button. There is one button on the dialog which, when pressed saves the changes/performs the action and closes the dialog. That button has ENTER as the standard shortcut. And there is one button which, when clicked, abandons all changes/stops the current action and closes the dialog. That button (like I said, the label can say different things, but it's a Cancel button) always reacts to ESC under Windows.

Like I wrote. The windows and dialogs in WinBox are not individual programs. You don't close programs when you close them (and BTW the standard shortcut for closing program under Windows is Alt+F4). You close dialogs (those where you can edit the properties and either accept the changes or abandon the changes) with ESC, or you close the window with the tables like the interface table, those are MDI windows. Normally you close them with Ctrl+F4 under WIndows. And guess what, the trusty old WinBox 3 CLOSES THEM WITH CTRL+F4 TOO!!!

It looks like those who programmed WinBox 3 really had the knowledge on how to write a well behave program that adheres to the Operating System's guidelines.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:59 am

Let's look at this brand new interface in Windows 11 to edit the IP settings. Should be similar to when we edit an IP -> Address entry in WinBox, right?

winnetsetting.png

What shortcut do I use if I don't like the changes and want to close this. Hint it's not Ctrl+W
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Almost every dialog in Windows??? Press Win+R to use the Run dialog and ESC close it??? Everything with a Cancel button
That is COMPLETELY different. Cancel is not same as Exit or Close. Winbox has no cancel buttons. It is an application. Try to close Chrome, Notepad or Photoshop! CTRL+W

Cancel is for prompts, not apps!

Oh, sorry, even the labels say "Cancel". But I am unable to press ESC to dismiss 😮

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Is it possible to change the color of errors in the log in red ?
thx, Richard
 
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Sure, CGGXANNX, we will add escape to cancel prompts, just like in Windows. But not closing tables and other windows. It is your suggestion to follow "Operating System's guidelines". OK?
 
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Sure, CGGXANNX, we will add escape to cancel prompts, just like in Windows. But not closing tables and other windows. It is your suggestion to follow "Operating System's guidelines". OK?

Yes, many thanks :). What bother me until now was only the ESC to dismiss dialogs shortcut (by dialogs I means those with OK/Cancel buttons), due to muscle memory. I usually double click with the mouse on an entry to quickly view its properties and dismiss the newly opened dialog with ESC, with two hands. The windows with the tables/list don't bother me much because I usually leave them open and only close them when I need to make room for other windows, then it's faster to use the mouse to quickly hunt down the X button and close them in one click instead of focusing them and closing them with another key press.

But probably for consistency under Windows, you can enable Ctrl+F4 for those windows (the one with the tables) too (I personally don't need it). Usually, Mac users love to praise Apple for having "consistent" UI, why ignoring that Windows have those guidelines for decades too. And then when they develop applications for Windows, they don't adhere to the guidelines and complain that Windows is inferior to MacOS because it has no rules and inconsistent UIs 🙃. FYI Ctrl+F4 works in many programs, even cross platform one like browsers or Visual Studio Code.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:33 pm

In Windows world Alt+F4 and Ctrl+F4 have being around almost since very early days - as Cmd+Q and Cmd+W in Mac world.

One other note about keyboard shortcuts that has been bothering since Winbox 3 - Ctrl+D has been standard combination for ending terminal/shell sessions in Linux/Unix world and unfortunately it has also been shortcut for "Disable" command. That has been a dangerous combination as you do not want to inadvertently disable unwanted objects if focus would be in a wrong window instead of a terminal window in winbox. That's why I have been consciously avoiding using that key combination and do hope that Winbox 4 would have some other key combination for enable/disable commands.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:36 pm

The ESC key is really helpful in closing the internal windows inside of winbox - it makes working around much faster and intuitive - please consider bringing it back!
The current shortcut does not help us at all - otherwise you might be able to make a setting to adjust this !

Thank you
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:45 pm

Btw using Ctrl+D in terminal window Inside Winbox4 disconnects terminal session but terminal window does not close. Disconnected terminal session window is esentially useless. Maybe it would be better to close the window with this as well...
 
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NOT if the session is closed from other reason than ctrl+D
 
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NOT if the session is closed from other reason than ctrl+D
That is absolutely correct. I was just meaning that Ctrl+D should close the terminal window after disconnecting the session - not that terminal window should always close after session disconnection.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:40 pm

@CGGXANNX you are wasting keyboard strokes. They don't care about usability. It's obvious from their stance on not bringing back 20+ year old established winbox functionality.

ESC should work exactly the same as in winbox3.
In fact, all keyboard shortcuts should stay the same as in winbox3.

I don't buy any excuse about terminal or anything else. That how it has been working for years and years and that's how it should stay.

It's like Photoshop changing every single keyboard shortcut, because Adobe decided that 40 years ago they implemented them wrong and now they got it right. It's complete BS. Winbox is a tool. No matter what baggage it brings it must stay usable and facilitate doing things as fast as possible. Changing everything (or removing stuff) for the sake of looks and "change" is stupid.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:04 pm

Agreed
@CGGXANNX you are wasting keyboard strokes. They don't care about usability. It's obvious from their stance on not bringing back 20+ year old established winbox functionality.

ESC should work exactly the same as in winbox3.
In fact, all keyboard shortcuts should stay the same as in winbox3.

I don't buy any excuse about terminal or anything else. That how it has been working for years and years and that's how it should stay.

It's like Photoshop changing every single keyboard shortcut, because Adobe decided that 40 years ago they implemented them wrong and now they got it right. It's complete BS. Winbox is a tool. No matter what baggage it brings it must stay usable and facilitate doing things as fast as possible. Changing everything (or removing stuff) for the sake of looks and "change" is stupid.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:20 pm

NOT if the session is closed from other reason than ctrl+D
That is absolutely correct. I was just meaning that Ctrl+D should close the terminal window after disconnecting the session - not that terminal window should always close after session disconnection.
LOL, I think Mikrotik tries to "copy" behaviour from MacOS a lot (but done sloppily). Ever since using MacOS (starting in 2015 or so) it always made me shaking my head that CTRL+D does not close the "Terminal" window. I am used to how it URXVT does on Linux -> CTRL+D closes the whole terminal window.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:42 pm

Tend agree that ESC should close any dialog box if it's not be changed (but not Terminal).

Now I suspect Mikrotik's internal debate mirror the ones here about what the keyboard shortcuts should be & why there aren't many in the beta's so far.

CTRL+D closes the whole terminal window.
Except CTRL+D technically closes the TTY session ... but whether a closed TTY close a window in desktop is up to the window manager "xterm"-like app does. e.g. In MacOS terminal, the window remains after a CTRL+D.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 4:00 pm

Ever since using MacOS (starting in 2015 or so) it always made me shaking my head that CTRL+D does not close the "Terminal" window. I am used to how it URXVT does on Linux -> CTRL+D closes the whole terminal window.
There is a Terminal option for that...
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 4:39 pm

Can you add the group & note back in select from saved?
It's more user-friendly to sort items when we have too many saved sessions.
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:10 pm

I am a strong flatpak supporter, but my vote still is for a solution that is independent from the way of distribution.

Creating a flatpak manifest around a statically compiled binary as it is now is no problem at all. I would even offer myself to do that, I already maintain a flatpak wrapping for another precompiled application.

Edit: Here you go, I created a working flatpak manifest: https://github.com/mkfrey/com.mikrotik.WinBox
There's one already waiting in Flathub queue: https://github.com/flathub/flathub/pull/5588
This PR is in. WinBox 4 is now on Flathub: https://flathub.org/apps/com.mikrotik.WinBox
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:25 pm

Wishlist -- or another vote for - [MacOS]

Escape key to close front open windows.

Move the undo,re-apply and safe mode options back to LEFT side of window
Move Workspaces to right side.
Bring back tabbed configuration options for interfaces, firewall, etc. [Dislike the Webfig style drop navigation]

Winbox is starting to feel more like the old WatchGuard config software or Barracuda control. argh.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:28 pm

Can you add the group & note back in select from saved?
It's more user-friendly to sort items when we have too many saved sessions.
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I vote this as well.
 
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LOL, I think Mikrotik tries to "copy" behaviour from MacOS a lot (but done sloppily). Ever since using MacOS (starting in 2015 or so) it always made me shaking my head that CTRL+D does not close the "Terminal" window. I am used to how it URXVT does on Linux -> CTRL+D closes the whole terminal window.
It has been like that even before 2015 if my memory serves me right. It forced to get iTerm where you can specifically adjust this behaviour.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2024 6:33 pm

Ever since using MacOS (starting in 2015 or so) it always made me shaking my head that CTRL+D does not close the "Terminal" window. I am used to how it URXVT does on Linux -> CTRL+D closes the whole terminal window.
There is a Terminal option for that...
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That option closes the terminal window, but not the app. iTerm is able to close the app, when there's no open sessions left - Terminal does not have this option.
 
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Beta8 Looking and Working well!

Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:08 pm

Just using Beta8, the font changes are subtle but a definite improvement in readability on my monitor (using light mode). Thanks!

About the only daily annoyances left for me are the "Keep Password" issue (where it dumps my otherwise encrypted password to a plaintext file)

...And that the "Saved list is encrypted, please provide password." password field isn't focused when the app is opened or when clicking New WinBox. If you want to stay on the keyboard it takes like 15 tabs to get there!

Also after entering the encrypted list password, move the focus to the first item in the list and ideally support jumping down the list by typing the first few letters of a connection Name/Comment.
 
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Request: Persistant connection lost timer.

Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:22 pm

Feature Request: I would love to have a count up timer that shows "Remote host disconnected 1m22s ago, ", and that counter should continue counting across multiple reconnection attempts even if the user clicks "Cancel" or "Try Now"
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If the disconnection happens while AFK it's important to persist the reason the connection was lost.

I usually don't care how long it's been since the last connection attempt but I do care how long it's been since the connection was dropped.

Especially during RouterOS upgrade a running counter is useful to know how long it's been working, and for similar models/configs we'll know when to expect a reconnection. Once reconnected it would be awesome if WinBox 4 could make a log entry like this:
 winbox USERNAME reconnected after 1m45s from 192.168.88.2
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:09 pm

Hi there.. i have an issue with winbox 4vb8... i can not start winbox. I see it in the processes but the windows of winbox is not starting.. any hints/tipps?

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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:14 pm

i have an issue with winbox 4vb8... i can not start winbox. I see it in the processes but the windows of winbox is not starting.. any hints/tipps?
OS / version give more clues... Did it work in previous beta before?
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:17 pm

Abandoning Winbox 4 for now until a stable is released. I issued a command to delete an address list, that is dynamic, but instead it deleted almost every single address, including statics, in the address-list. Not just the specific "z-blocklist_FireHOL_L1" list, but all of them, even named differently . Crashed my network due to the advanced FW. Good thing the router does automatic daily backups. Oof

Router: RB5009
ROS 7.15.2
MacBook Air M3
Winbox 4 beta8

Command:
/ip firewall address-list remove [find list=z-blocklist_FireHOL_L1 dynamic=yes]
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:24 pm

i have an issue with winbox 4vb8... i can not start winbox. I see it in the processes but the windows of winbox is not starting.. any hints/tipps?
OS / version give more clues... Did it work in previous beta before?
No, it has never worked... winbox4 never worked.. 3.xx is working.. .it is windows10, 22H2 Version...
There are no additional infos.. when i click on winbox4.exe.. it happenes nothing!
Adding a screenshot of the processes...
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:29 pm

To import an existing adresses.cbd on MAC OS you have to put addresses.cbd (or a link to it) here:

/Users/<user>/Library/Application Support/MikroTik/WinBox
First, thank you for being the only one so far to even attempt to provide this explanation lucidly for MacOS. But I still can't get it to work, even using the exact name provided (I tried both Addresses.cbd and addresses.cbd). "Saved" still shows nothing.

"Instructions" in pinned comment #1 are not even a command line, just a statement of a directory name in two different syntaxes. It needs to be replaced with a sentence explaining what is required.

What's the first thing you want to do to test out a new Winbox? Suck your current address/password file into it so you can give it a spin. The beta has no such native capacity, and the temporary writearound instructions provided aren't enough to get you running. If I have to beat my head against the wall just to get to step 1, I think I'll wait until the smoke clears to try this beta again.

EDIT:
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Apologies. I got suckered by the typo in the instructions. cbd ≠ cdb.
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:36 pm

EDIT: I was able top make it run (but please support Wayland natively) with
QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb ./WinBox
because QT_QPA_PLATFORM was wayland.

For those having the issue with wayland... Does it work if you launch Winbox with...
env --unset=QT_QPA_PLATFORM ./WinBox
That would help to create a versatile desktop file.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:53 pm

That would help to create a versatile desktop file.
On .desktop file topic for Debian/Ubuntu... some SVG version of the WinBox icon be nice (winbox.svg). That allow `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps` to be used and keep the icon "pretty".
(and @eworm know if SVG icon help for Arch)
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 9:04 pm

Sure, a SVG file for the icon would be great. 👍
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 9:51 pm

To import an existing adresses.cbd on MAC OS you have to put addresses.cbd (or a link to it) here:

/Users/<user>/Library/Application Support/MikroTik/WinBox
First, thank you for being the only one so far to even attempt to provide this explanation lucidly for MacOS. But I still can't get it to work, even using the exact name provided (I tried both Addresses.cbd and addresses.cbd). "Saved" still shows nothing.

"Instructions" in pinned comment #1 are not even a command line, just a statement of a directory name in two different syntaxes. It needs to be replaced with a sentence explaining what is required.

What's the first thing you want to do to test out a new Winbox? Suck your current address/password file into it so you can give it a spin. The beta has no such native capacity, and the temporary writearound instructions provided aren't enough to get you running. If I have to beat my head against the wall just to get to step 1, I think I'll wait until the smoke clears to try this beta again.
I was able to import my addresses from winbox3 to Winbox4 without issue on MacOS. You have to drop your Winbox3 address export file to the /Users/<user>/Library/Application Support/MikroTik/WinBox directory, and overwrite the exisiting Addresses.cdb file
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:13 pm



There's one already waiting in Flathub queue: https://github.com/flathub/flathub/pull/5588
This PR is in. WinBox 4 is now on Flathub: https://flathub.org/apps/com.mikrotik.WinBox
Nice! Two questions...
  • "All WinBox interface functions are as close as possible mirroring the console functions" What might be different?
  • Is there a plan to have this app verified?
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:06 pm

Agreed
@CGGXANNX you are wasting keyboard strokes. They don't care about usability. It's obvious from their stance on not bringing back 20+ year old established winbox functionality.

ESC should work exactly the same as in winbox3.
In fact, all keyboard shortcuts should stay the same as in winbox3.

I don't buy any excuse about terminal or anything else. That how it has been working for years and years and that's how it should stay.

It's like Photoshop changing every single keyboard shortcut, because Adobe decided that 40 years ago they implemented them wrong and now they got it right. It's complete BS. Winbox is a tool. No matter what baggage it brings it must stay usable and facilitate doing things as fast as possible. Changing everything (or removing stuff) for the sake of looks and "change" is stupid.
+1000 from me!

Please give us ESC back, some of us don't have flexible fingers any more, also muscle memory is a big thing when you have been pressing ESC for 40 years. I vote that ESC should close ANY windows inside Winbox, only not the main application window nor Terminal.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:32 pm

Yes, Windows 7 was released in 2009, which is 15 years ago. To run WinBox 4 you need Windows 10.
LibreOffice even the latest version can still run on Windows 7. Just an example of large and complex software where this was still possible. Is this really so difficult? I now have Windows 10 on one machine but I don't like it. If there is no other way, will rather migrate the old but still usable machines from Win7 to Debian instead. Please reconsider.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 4:04 am

I found a major irritation! the worst possible irritation! ok, so it's not THAT bad, however I think I was loosing my mind!

If you type something like:

/ping 8.8.8.8 <10-key enter button>

about 80% of the time the command just vanishes. up arrow doesn't bring the command back, it's like <10-key enter> is a clear button.

/ping 8.8.8.8 <regular enter key> works fine.

I think this is effectively a bug, the enter key on the 10 key should be no different than the regular one.

Thank you.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:12 am

Using WinBox 4 on Linux ( Arcolinux xfce ).
Thanks.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 11:18 am

Yes, Windows 7 was released in 2009, which is 15 years ago. To run WinBox 4 you need Windows 10.
LibreOffice even the latest version can still run on Windows 7. Just an example of large and complex software where this was still possible. Is this really so difficult? I now have Windows 10 on one machine but I don't like it. If there is no other way, will rather migrate the old but still usable machines from Win7 to Debian instead. Please reconsider.
@Miktrotik, please DO NOT reconsider this: don't waste your efforts to support OSes that reached their EOL. Please use your resources to improve your products.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 11:23 am

@CGGXANNX you are wasting keyboard strokes. They don't care about usability. It's obvious from their stance on not bringing back 20+ year old established winbox functionality.

ESC should work exactly the same as in winbox3.
In fact, all keyboard shortcuts should stay the same as in winbox3.

I don't buy any excuse about terminal or anything else. That how it has been working for years and years and that's how it should stay.

It's like Photoshop changing every single keyboard shortcut, because Adobe decided that 40 years ago they implemented them wrong and now they got it right. It's complete BS. Winbox is a tool. No matter what baggage it brings it must stay usable and facilitate doing things as fast as possible. Changing everything (or removing stuff) for the sake of looks and "change" is stupid.
There are new users, too. If changes are motivated with better compliance with a widely-accepted way-of-doing, then Mikrotik please go ahead with the changes.

From an emacs users that would like that C-x C-s saves changes.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:42 pm

Abandoning Winbox 4 for now until a stable is released. I issued a command to delete an address list, that is dynamic, but instead it deleted almost every single address, including statics, in the address-list. Not just the specific "z-blocklist_FireHOL_L1" list, but all of them, even named differently . Crashed my network due to the advanced FW. Good thing the router does automatic daily backups. Oof
This means that beta releases of Winbox should not be used to manage remote devices/systems. This is not a first case where system settins get inadvertently broken and some of them are even reproducible.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:46 pm

Never use whatever beta when you can not afford breakdowns ...
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:09 pm

Bug: In beta8 is not possible to add item to the Access list - "Error in MAC Address - MAC address expected!". MAC is correct in correct form.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:34 pm

Dont see this listed in the first post.

Just tested in Winbox 4 Beta 8, still broken.
Thanks for the work so far, looking great.

ROS6 with large routing tables comes up with an empty route list

Winbox 4
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Winbox 3
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:35 pm

Sure, CGGXANNX, we will add escape to cancel prompts, just like in Windows. But not closing tables and other windows. It is your suggestion to follow "Operating System's guidelines". OK?
Add `Ctrl-W` shortcut in winbox3 for consistency.
And make in winbox4 fonts configurable. For main UI and for terminal.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 3:15 pm

Abandoning Winbox 4 for now until a stable is released. I issued a command to delete an address list, that is dynamic, but instead it deleted almost every single address, including statics, in the address-list. Not just the specific "z-blocklist_FireHOL_L1" list, but all of them, even named differently . Crashed my network due to the advanced FW. Good thing the router does automatic daily backups. Oof
This means that beta releases of Winbox should not be used to manage remote devices/systems. This is not a first case where system settins get inadvertently broken and some of them are even reproducible.

Greetings nmt1900. Thanks for the advice. This wasn't a clients router. This was my personal RB5009 at home. I've been using the Winbox4 beta only on local devices.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 3:24 pm

Abandoning Winbox 4 [...] I issued a command to delete an address list, [...] Command:
/ip firewall address-list remove [find list=z-blocklist_FireHOL_L1 dynamic=yes]
This means that beta releases of Winbox should not be used to manage remote devices/systems.
Hold on. If you enter a command into the Terminal, it's the CLI that deleted those things, not poor WinBox! WinBox4 is just running a terminal session for you. It's the find command that not doing what you expect, and may be a different problem. Winbox3 would do same here, since it's just running same terminal to RouterOS shell.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 5:37 pm

I trialed the windows and linux versions. At the moment the Linux version won't run - appears to be a font issue on debian 12 . But my biggest complaint is that there is NO NOTES column in the initial winbox opening screen - where you pick what router to administer. Good grief! Who memorizes ip's? The notes ARE displayed, however there is no way to sort on notes in the Select from :Saved window! Please add the notes column back and the ability to sort by notes.
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Fri Sep 27, 2024 5:38 pm

There is a notes column. You have to click on it to expand it.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 6:07 pm

I can see the notes in the initial selection screen, but the ability to choose the notes column and sort on it is impossible for me to find in the new version. Compare the two screenshots attached, we refer to our routers by their 'name' or 'site name' which we put in the notes column. The windows version is what I'm currently running, I hope I'm making myself clear that the ability to choose the router based on a sorted notes column is indispensable.
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 6:13 pm

Good grief! Who memorizes ip's?
Feature request - resolve DNS name in ALL fields that require an IP or IPv6 address

There are a few place where WinBox3 does take a DNS and will resolve it to IP inside of winbox (i.e. where the CLI/APIs want an "ip"/"ipv6" type). Perhaps some control/icon in ALL the IP edit boxed that would resolve a DNS inside winbox be a nice addition. Or, just if it sees a DNS name in a IP field (where an IP is require in config), it just automatically resolve it. Or, prompt to resolve the name (instead of just error).
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 6:39 pm

@normis Please make torch to use "any" for Port, and not "tcpmux", if you ever start MUM's again, I will buy you lunch :)
I can't believe that this is not bothering people more!
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 7:35 pm

This problem does not appear when connecting to devices with 7.16 on them
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:52 pm

subtle usability - show new package download like the winbox upgrade in top bar

In the WinBox4 scheme, the new System>Packages dialog is actually more confusing IMO. Perhaps I'm dumb, but actually I keep hitting OK instead of hitting the action button. I get this follows the new scheme, but winbox3 force me to look at which button to hit ;). But if you're checking winbox version periodically, checking the routeros version for the connected router & show that similarly be a nice usability without changing how package dialog work.... And the mobile apps already do a good job of showing an upgrade without navigating the menu tree, so it be on par with those.

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