Thank you for the suggestion, Amm0. Added to wishlist.

• Most people prefer Tabs over Dropdowns
  Definitely, switching in firewall between rules, and address lists using drop-down is a pain.
• Linux distribution users wish for better distribution methods (unclear, many say current way is OK!)
  From my point of view it is OK this way. For example on archlinux, users already made package to install it distribution way (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/winbox).
  
  I believe that many users would like to have native package/repository for distribution they use - luxury of having all software in repositories and having automated updates is addictive.
  I believe that this is not a good way, and you cannot please everyone (even Flatpaks are not solution, because the are flatpaks, snaps and also appimages ) - there will always be some distribution with different packaging system you missed (for example Solus, or some newly created distro). The easy way to please users with most common packaging systems is using something like nfpm (https://github.com/goreleaser/nfpm) where you can do one prescription and then generate packages for multiple distributions (I am using this to make packages for Ubuntu, Debian, Linux Mint, and RHEL clones).
  
  From my point of view the best way is to release source codes of each release as tar.gz archive and let building and packaging work to distribution packagers {this way your SW will be probably included in main distribution repositories after some time)

Not sure if anyone has mention, but with multiple winbox4 windows... they all appear as seperate icon in MacOS's launchbar. Normally multiple windows of an application, still only have one icon in the launchbar with the various window name showing in the context menu. The current "one icon per winbox4 window" means it actually hard to find the same window without clicking on the icon to see what it's connected to.
On MacOS, multiple winbox4 windows should appear as ONE icon, with multiple windows on the context menu.png

• in launch window (login windows) after clicking IP from neighbor or saved list, change focus to "connect to" form
• after open form (for editing values) change focus to form itself, making tab key cycle over editable items (in Linux it cycles over widgets outside of form - after clicking to any form input, then "tab" starts working as expected)
• save form using "enter" or "ctrl+enter" (maybe enter=apply, ctrl+enter=save...?)

Behaviour should adhere to system settings. I don't use Mac, but on Windows and Linux I prefer not to have apps groupped ... and there's system-wide setting for that both in Windows and KDE (which is what I use on Linux if I can choose). In normal apps, there's a text pop-up tab when one hovers mouse over the app icon on taskbar/launchbar ... this text window should show some meaningful onfo about device to which particular winbox window connects ... that one should help to choose the right winbox without clicking the app button first.

I just want give a counterpoint the "Most people prefer tabs instead of drop downs", I suspect most of those people haven't really played with workspaces yet. I'm not the first to bring this up but it bears repeating. If implementing tabs means you can't have multiple of the same "group" open at the same time, then I much prefer the way it is currently. Even if you can pop out extra windows like today but with tabs, the tabs are taking up unneeded space for my use case. If tabs get implemented, I really hope they're optional.

Tabs were much better both visually and practically, because you saw the options right away, and you needed one click, instead of two

Esc dosn't close window anymore
And in general hotkeys would be nice to have

Nice to see an update. In the main it seems to work well, but...

1 - <esc> doesn't work any more - closing a whole bunch of panels is now more time consuming and frustrating (the escape key is in the same place on all my keyboards, the shift/control keys aren't).

2 - Comments aren't shown by default - again, more time/frustration in enabling them. Comments are important!

3 - Status tool-tips aren't shown when you hover the mouse over them like they were on Winbox3 (see screenshot) - There doesn't seem to be an easy way to find out what all the letters mean. Screenshot 2024-08-29 083013.png

4 - Removal of the tabs at the top of the panels and using a drop box instead makes navigating the options/contents more time consuming and frustrating - it's no longer easy to see what all the sub-categories are and no longer possible to quickly flip between subcategories.

5 - 'Configuration' takes up a chunk of the right hand side of each panel - it means I have to make the window wider and means more scrolling on smaller screens (like the tiny laptop I use on customer sites) - again, more time required and more frustrating.

6 - <ctrl>+<tab> doesn't work any more - no longer easy to move between panels.

7 - <ctrl>+m doesn't work any more - much more time consuming to add comments (double-click line, click in comment box, type comment and then back to the mouse to click on 'OK')

8 - <Num-> and <Num+> no longer enable/disable rows

9 - <Del> does work (deletes row), but <Ins> doesn't (insert row)

Sorry about the above, it does sound like I'm having a moan, but it does seem that while Winbox3 has its limitations, one thing it was very good at was giving fast access to changes and also seeing required information. Winbox4 seems to have slowed down the workflow not just a bit, but quite a lot. For this to be usable, day to day, I need much more keyboard control - bring back the shortcuts!

I do appreciate that this is a beta release, but please please add in more functionality to speed up the workflow - don't make me frustrated by forcing me to use my mouse when a keyboard shortcut would make an action much faster.

For example, to open NAT rules and add a comment to a row (where "¬" means toggle between keyboard and mouse)...
Winbox 3 - <click><click><click><click>¬<ctrl>+m[type comment]<enter>
Winbox 4 - <click><click><click><click><double-click><click>¬[type comment]¬<click>

All that having been said, Winbox4 certainly looks smarter.

Nicholas.

The UI update is a welcomed update. Yet, I am not convinced by the current iteration. We went from the "ugly" but very functional style and clear to read to the "pretty" but less functional & "harder to find what you need "style. Functionality and ease of use does take priority to it being pretty for me.

Try to add a new firewall rule or look at the interface list for example. What am I even looking at? Just a blob of text with almost no coherence. No indentation no grouping. The gray on gray doesn't have much contrast. The tabs are gone and now you need to scroll twice as much for everything. The graphs are horrific to look at. The more I look at the UI in Winbox 4 the worse it get. Yet I still hope this will improve since it's a beta.

No, it's not a good summary, because the very first post in this topic already clearly said, that it is a known issue, that all keyboard shortcuts are turned off.
Do not post again and again the same thing, that is already explained.

Please read the first post before posting!

I hope, they will return them in editing windows also instead of these ugly groups, because, as you correctly said, you need to scroll too much up and down to navigate.

While "read only" is correct, because it is installed globally and Winbox is run with unprivileged user. Still one remark: it is a Linux host and I do not have an "Applications" folder. ;)

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Following to suggestion from user "boingolover", I organized my screens to workspaces now. These tabs look awful on narrow windows.

What's new in v4.0beta5:

*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns.
[b]*) tabs visibility can be toggled - see checkbox in tabs drop-down menu.[/b]
*) move action buttons into table toolbar
*) change style for active sub window
*) fix macOS self-update on some systems
*) stability improvements

"Show all".......................Yeah. Very self-explaining. PER WINDOW as well. As if it weren't already tedious enough to arrange the windows. Now you have to click into each window and deactivate the tabs. UX complaints incoming.

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*) return tab based interface, while keeping benefits of dropdowns

This is only half done. Most people want these WebFig style dropdowns as tabs too.
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Left / right two finger scrolling (swiping) on Macbook Air track pad does not scroll the wide windows left and right. You have to move the mouse down to the bottom of the window and drag the slider left / right.

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*) return tab based interface, while keeping benefits of dropdowns

This is only half done. Most people want these WebFig style dropdowns as tabs too.
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most people?

most people?

Yes. Plenty of posts about this already in this thread.

+1 for tabs everywhere. I never used webfig because of this, it's unusable unless you work on a 9:21 monitor.

It is under consideration as a configurable option. Zebras vs full grid.

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*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
*) move action buttons into table toolbar
*) change style for active sub window

I have problem logging in with winbox 4.0 b3 on a CHR running 6.49.17. I only get "Reading the index file"
Dont have any problem logging in with winbox 3.x on same computer. Have tried both on Mac and Windows but same problem even rebooted the router but the same message was there. Have made a bug support case of this as SUP-163841
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*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns

Yes, and that one will stay for now. As seen in the thread, it is a much more divisive topic, than main window Tabs

Options are good !

Hopefully y'all are still mulling the webfig-like collapsable selection inside of dialogs (the other place where tabs were lost). Not necessarily saying "bring back tabs", but webfig-like dividers are "less productive" than winbox3 if you actually need to change a settings - way more clicks+scrolling. And even worse when to look at some status section inside a dialog (which is often at the very bottom).

Yes, and that one will stay for now. As seen in the thread, it is a much more divisive topic, than main window Tabs

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*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
*) move action buttons into table toolbar
*) change style for active sub window

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What's new in v4.0beta6:

*) minor UI improvements

What's new in v4.0beta5:

*) return tab based interace, while keeping benefits of dropdowns
*) move action buttons into table toolbar
*) change style for active sub window
*) fix macOS self-update on some systems
*) stability improvements

And all Cyrillic comments are unreadable in WinBox 4

And all Cyrillic comments are unreadable in WinBox 4

It seems that winbox4 uses UTF-8 (finally), just like (probably) your web browser running webfig.

/interface/ethernet/set ether1 comment="\80 - euro in winbox3" 
/interface/ethernet/set ether1 comment="\E2\82\AC - euro in winbox4/webfig"

+1 for tabs everywhere. I never used webfig because of this, it's unusable unless you work on a 9:21 monitor.

A light touch on a scroll wheel is almost always faster/easier/better than repositioning you mouse on top of the dialog where the tabs are, potentially scrolling through the tabs, and finally clicking on one of them.

when WiFi links change frequency due to DFS...

Just like that:

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In fact that's probably the main problem with whole WinBox 4. Everything in it is HUGE. Sure, there's zoom, so I can make it smaller, but it doesn't really help. Look at it:

winbox4-firewall-rule.png

I'm currently trying to go with 84%, which already has smaller font than WinBox 3 and I'm still seeing much less info in same space.

It's the same problem that almost every new software has. Perhaps it's trying to be touch-friendly, which I'm sure is lovely for people who want it, and I wholeheartedly support them to have it. But that's not good reason to ruin things for everyone else who's not interested in that and would much rather prefer higher information density. So please, can we have optional "compact" version without useless margins and padding? It would help a lot.

• LTE signal graphs re-introduced

• Keeping Winbox windows open for 1-3 mins to re-establish network connection after certain settings have been made (see my previous post)

• Groups for saved lists re-introduced

Creating a flatpak manifest around a statically compiled binary as it is now is no problem at all.

*) groups in property dialogues (the expandable panes referred to as "dropdown" in some of the posts above - probably as opposed to "tabs" but to me distinctly different from the combo-boxes that where initially used at the window-level): what would be killer IMO and a huge benefit of v4-style groups vs v3-style tabs if:
-- on opening an existing rule/interface etc, besides the `general` group being fully expanded (keep that), to also (and only) have visible properties that are *set* (from their defaults) in the other groups
-- on expanding the groups making visible all properties in normal order
-- on collapsing the groups, consider to collapse all properties again - whether they are set or not - to also allow users to get things out of the way

*) groups in property dialogues: I´d probably still like status, statistics etc on a tab or maybe a different (expandable) pane, separate from configurable properties and directly accessible rather than first scrolling down and then having to click to expand the group;

*) buttons in windows: great to see the `enable`/`disable`/`remove` buttons be placed with the `new` again. But as someone else noted before, I agree it'd be a more consistent experience to always display these and just grey them out instead of having UI elements appearing and disappearing depending selection;

The benefit of having one statically compiled binary is that one can choose to package it as-is as an rpm, deb or flatpak without any further work required by Mikrotik devs.

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*) return tab based interface, while keeping benefits of dropdowns

This is only half done. Most people want these WebFig style dropdowns as tabs too.
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*) return tab based interface, while keeping benefits of dropdowns

This is only half done. Most people want these WebFig style dropdowns as tabs too.
tabs_please.png

tldr: Winbox 4beta generates WireGuard QR codes that Android WG app can not read; Winbox 3.41 is fine
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Anyone else have the same?

I am a strong flatpak supporter, but my vote still is for a solution that is independent from the way of distribution.

Creating a flatpak manifest around a statically compiled binary as it is now is no problem at all. I would even offer myself to do that, I already maintain a flatpak wrapping for another precompiled application.

Edit: Here you go, I created a working flatpak manifest: https://github.com/mkfrey/com.mikrotik.WinBox

How can I migrate my windows version .WBX file into the new beta6 for macOS ?
MacOS version is in .viw2 -format.

Hi There,

Other issue I found is that tools like ping/traceroute don't allow entering a FQDN like www.google.com. They always expect an IP address. This works in Winbox 3 and it is really useful for me!

Thank you!

+1

How can I migrate my windows version .WBX file into the new beta6 for macOS ?
MacOS version is in .viw2 -format.

read first post

No, that won't work. The files are in different file types.. I followed the 1st post but it doesn't make sense when it's different filetypes. It won't recognize it....I have exported to wbx and the new one is viw2. ?

read first post

+1 for tabs everywhere. I never used webfig because of this, it's unusable unless you work on a 9:21 monitor.

You don't need to export it. Just find the old WinBox3 directory and move the files to the new WinBox4 directory and your saved routers will be shown. Import/Export is not needed in this case, as WinBox4 does not yet have any import button.

You don't need to export it. Just find the old WinBox3 directory and move the files to the new WinBox4 directory and your saved routers will be shown. Import/Export is not needed in this case, as WinBox4 does not yet have any import button.

But it is only the list of routers, not the saved sessions/workspaces, right?

In fact that's probably the main problem with whole WinBox 4. Everything in it is HUGE... I'm still seeing much less info in same space.

It's the same problem that almost every new software has. Perhaps it's trying to be touch-friendly, which I'm sure is lovely for people who want it, and I wholeheartedly support them to have it. But that's not good reason to ruin things for everyone else who's not interested in that and would much rather prefer higher information density.

+1

I also noticed you can't just enter the IP and hit enter like in winbox3, now it's a bit more cumbersome to have to then first click start.

It should be in a way that only sections with unset values are collapsed in dropdowns.

One possible way of "compromise" - bring tabs into object windows, but set them to auto-scroll to according section in window i.e. retain all in same window (as it is now), but with tabs that bring the feature back to people obsessed with it. This way people who want to waste time on clicking through tabs, can do so while others can just scroll through all values in same view...

In fact that's probably the main problem with whole WinBox 4. Everything in it is HUGE... I'm still seeing much less info in same space.

It's the same problem that almost every new software has. Perhaps it's trying to be touch-friendly, which I'm sure is lovely for people who want it, and I wholeheartedly support them to have it. But that's not good reason to ruin things for everyone else who's not interested in that and would much rather prefer higher information density.

EXACTLY THIS.

Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000000000000
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x0000000000000000

Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 11 Segmentation fault: 11
Terminating Process: exc handler [14954]

VM Region Info: 0 is not in any region. Bytes before following region: 4370923520
REGION TYPE START - END [ VSIZE] PRT/MAX SHRMOD REGION DETAIL
UNUSED SPACE AT START
--->
__TEXT 104870000-106e5b000 [ 37.9M] r-x/r-x SM=COW /Applications/WinBox.app/Contents/MacOS/WinBox

One possible way of "compromise" - bring tabs into object windows, but set them to auto-scroll to according section in window i.e. retain all in same window (as it is now), but with tabs that bring the feature back to people obsessed with it. This way people who want to waste time on clicking through tabs, can do so while others can just scroll through all values in same view...

It could be good also for branding, not only for whiners who don't fully appreciate your design choices. ;) Two birds with one stone.

People who some call "obsessed" are maybe just "organized"?
In your shed, do you keep all the tools and stuff on one big pile and go through it every time you need a hammer or a shovel?

(let the war begin :) )

new winbox 4 on linux issue: seems to resurface old 'Option sets' in ip->DHCP Server->Network screen and leases screen for no reason. even after deleting and saving, it still keeps it and does not want to delete it(when checked again). this is causing havoc in my network clients(took a long time to identify problem). have gone back to using old winbox for now where i am able to undo the damage.

... if you take a firewall policy then all defined settings in it are parts of this same rule and you have to be able to see it all because all these parts do matter in similar way. That's why tabs do not work inside the single object.

I am Missing Check for Update Button in new Winbox 4

Using the linux version, when there are overlapping windows on the workspace, and you click on something on the top window, it selects the window on the bottom instead. It makes it very difficult to use.

Using the linux version, when there are overlapping windows on the workspace, and you click on something on the top window, it selects the window on the bottom instead. It makes it very difficult to use.

Which desktop environment? I can't reproduce this on Fedora Workstation 40 / Gnome.

spippan Are you using 4.0beta6? Could you please create a support ticket regarding the NAT login issue along with supuout.rif file made after the issue appears and other details - what system is the WinBox running on?
I tried reproducing the issue, but it seems to work as expected. Is the "auth challange failed" error present both for 2FA and static user?

• If remote machine for SSH tunneling is Mikrotik, then enable SSH forwarding:
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  ssh user@remote -D 1080

• Install tsocks and check file '/etc/tsocks.conf' for similar configuration:
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  server_type = 5
  server_port = 1080

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Fond small bug with "Hide password" not actually hiding the password

Steps to reproduce:
WiFi -> Configuration -> open existing configuration -> chose existing Security profile -> password will be shown in plain text

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Please post all change logs in the first post, as well.

Awesome news!

Now, I tested 4.0beta1 and 4.0beta3 on macOS (Sonoma on M3, against ROS 7.15.3) and it fails to connect with the following (WinBox 3 via Wine still ok):

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ERR: Could not connect, MacConnection syn timeout

(while at it, please allow for copying error messages)

If only you'd taken the opportunity to change that meaningless (if not entirely misleading) name, now that its Windoze shackles are finally off :)

Thanks and keep it up!

EXACTLY THIS.

I think everything is becoming bigger, because new devices have 4K and 5K screens and there everything is too small. The biggest downside of this is for older monitors and smaller resolutions, I guess.

P.S: of course the UX designers job is to somehow make all users happy, on small resolutions and large resolutions alike. My comment was about the general trend.

running beta6 on macOS14.6.1 for three days now, getting used to the new look & feel.
1. had a crash when I first saved a workspace.
2. red font in dark mode is nigh unreadable (37" 3440x1400px, no scaling)
3. all fonts appear oversoftened and take a lot more effort to scan across compared to Winbox3 on Wine. dark mode fonts appear crisper.
4. in bright mode, tables need more contrast between lines and clearer borders

will be sticking to Winbox3 for the moment, but am really looking forward to the moment shifting to a native macOS app :)

As Winbox 4 is based on Qt... shouldn't it be possible to have more flexibility in theming/appearance compared to old platform?

- Groups are missing for now, until they return, you can use Comment (previously called Note) field to sort similar items

• Reboot from the GUI doesn't seem to work, at least not while in the LTE interface module. Or maybe it does work, but there was nothing to say that it was rebooting and after a while (2-3 mins) I closed out of v.4 and went back to v.3 and rebooted the device from there. Sorry, I didn't test using terminal.

• I agree with others that the collapsible list while in the LTE tab needs work. On a small laptop (as most would have in the field) it's very awkward to manually scroll from list to list, particularly from general to traffic. A better approach maybe when the user chooses a list item then all the other list items close automatically. Or, restore the tabs as in v.3 which IMO would be the better option.