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📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:32 am

This is a big day for us and hopefully for you too.

WinBox 4 is finally here, for Windows, macOS and Linux.

Video: https://youtu.be/IOjkWJfmM24

We have worked on it long and hard, but it's still only the first public beta, so a lot of things will change for sure. Not all features are there yet, they will come soon, and you will not have to wait another 15 years. There are a lot of new design decisions that might be hard to get used to, but we have chosen to leave most of the look familiar. Enjoy and write your comments, suggestions and wishes. Of course, a lot of design things will still change, we know there are some controversial things. Please try to report bugs first, design comments second.

- We have Dark mode!
- Apps for multiple operating systems!
- Most importantly, since it's all built from zero, we have the ability to quickly change and fix things!

Download link on our webpage: https://mikrotik.com/download

********** STATUS UPDATE Oct 2 ***************

Known issues to be addressed (updated Oct2.) :
  • Keyboard shortcuts missing (currently only cmd/ctrl+W and Esc works)
  • Can't Select All items with keyboard (see above)
  • Improve contrast in both light and dark modes for old displays with low contrast ratio
  • Needs list of open windows
  • Comment column functionality is confusing for many people
  • Many UI buttons need Hover help text
  • Some font legibility issues in some Linux installations, also in some cases where Windows OS has non standard DPI or scaling.
  • Special characters lost when upgrading from WinBox3, but work fine when entered via WinBox4 (can't be fixed!)
  • Side menu popup (IP etc) is lost too quickly, when moving mouse diagonally
  • Columns can't change order by dragging
  • Log, Ping etc. windows don't automatically go to end of entries
  • Log colors for severity levels missing
  • macOS trackpad does not scroll sideways
  • Some drag and drop issues with files. Can't drag file to Desktop
  • Skins not supported
  • Quick Find missing
  • Vertical grid requested by several users
  • Vertical row height needs to be more compact, as requested by several users
  • Windows version is sluggish when quickly moving around windows, lags behind mouse. Known bug and will be fixed.
  • Needs ability to "select many routers and connect to all" in Loader
  • Need auto light-dark mode setting based on OS settings
  • Missing tree view of sub-items in tables, like VLANs, Queues, etc.
  • LTE Interface graphs are missing
  • Can't ping DNS name
  • should be some vertical split control between the login/password on left and the neighbors
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:33 am

Paldies
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:37 am

Woohoo πŸŽ‰

Thanks Mikrotik team !
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:43 am

YAY for native Linux release...
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:46 am

What a new look interface!
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:58 am

Adding a YAY for native MacOS release...

Many thanks
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:59 am

Applause !!!
any way to import saved connections into winbox4 on Mac ?
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:05 am

It's nice. And fast. Huuuuuge, but nice and fast.

Ctrl + Shift + W does not seem to work for me on Windows, though. Neither does to the ole ESC key.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:09 am

wow, looking great so far. Thanks! Features I miss the most currently is the ability to import connections from Winbox 3.
EDIT: comment field is already there, only the column was hidden.
Last edited by osc86 on Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:17 am, edited 1 time in total.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:12 am

It's nice. And fast. Huuuuuge, but nice and fast.
Ctrl + Shift + W does not seem to work for me on Windows, though. Neither does to the ole ESC key.
For me it works just fine.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:13 am

Very good news! Congrats @normis, looking quite nice.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:15 am

Looks very nice I must say. First thing however is that under interfaces the VRRP interfaces does not indicate if they are running master or backup. This means you have to open the interface to see the status, but this is a very very small complaint :-)
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:17 am

wow, looking great so far. Thanks! Features I miss the most currently are the comment section for saved connections and the ability to import connections from Winbox 3.
Comments are there, but the column ir collapsed by default. Click on the header (second column from left)
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:17 am

Looks really nice, and native Linux version works on first try. Thanks a lot!

But wondering... Is there a minimal RouterOS version required for this new Winbox?
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:18 am

Great, finally a native Linux version.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:22 am

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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:26 am

Any plans for native arm support? Would love running it on raspberry pi...
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:26 am

Where does linux version stores 'saved routers'? Is there a way to import Winbox Loader Addresses?
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:28 am

See original post, jprietove
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:28 am

Looks really nice, and native Linux version works on first try. Thanks a lot!

But wondering... Is there a minimal RouterOS version required for this new Winbox?
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:33 am

Thanks, thats going to take a bit of getting used to :)
Massive props for the Linux/Mac app.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:33 am

Looks Good, but gives WebFig Vibes because of missing Tabs when opening interface or in-depth menu
I would prefer if there is a wide option to use tabs or just scroll and collapsable submenus, or Tabs
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:36 am

Interfaces view - filter option by status ("running" or "disabled" etc) is missing.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:40 am

How do I open an existing Addresses.cbd on windows?
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:42 am

Craches on Intel Macook macOS 11.7.10. Tried several times.
Process:               WinBox [4220]
Path:                  /Applications/WinBox.app/Contents/MacOS/WinBox
Identifier:            my.example.com
Version:               0.1 (0.1)
Code Type:             X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:        ??? [1]
Responsible:           WinBox [4220]
User ID:               503

Date/Time:             2024-08-29 09:37:15.590 +0200
OS Version:            macOS 11.7.10 (20G1427)
Report Version:        12
Anonymous UUID:        6D512A7D-257B-DD90-9097-581F5534EF49

Sleep/Wake UUID:       485B53EB-C3B9-4934-A4D5-6F13BD256352

Time Awake Since Boot: 13000 seconds
Time Since Wake:       1300 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread:        0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type:        EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes:       KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000000000000
Exception Note:        EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal:    Segmentation fault: 11
Termination Reason:    Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0xb
Terminating Process:   exc handler [4220]

VM Regions Near 0:
--> 
    __TEXT                      101437000-103993000    [ 37.4M] r-x/r-x SM=COW  /Applications/WinBox.app/Contents/MacOS/WinBox

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   ???                           	000000000000000000 0 + 0
1   my.example.com                	0x00000001015d6038 0x101437000 + 1699896
2   dyld                          	0x00000001139c3b47 ImageLoaderMachO::doModInitFunctions(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 535
3   dyld                          	0x00000001139c3f52 ImageLoaderMachO::doInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 40
4   dyld                          	0x00000001139beae6 ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, char const*, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&, ImageLoader::UninitedUpwards&) + 492
5   dyld                          	0x00000001139bc89f ImageLoader::processInitializers(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&, ImageLoader::UninitedUpwards&) + 191
6   dyld                          	0x00000001139bc940 ImageLoader::runInitializers(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 82
7   dyld                          	0x00000001139a88b1 dyld::initializeMainExecutable() + 199
8   dyld                          	0x00000001139af041 dyld::_main(macho_header const*, unsigned long, int, char const**, char const**, char const**, unsigned long*) + 9098
9   dyld                          	0x00000001139a7224 dyldbootstrap::start(dyld3::MachOLoaded const*, int, char const**, dyld3::MachOLoaded const*, unsigned long*) + 450
10  dyld                          	0x00000001139a7025 _dyld_start + 37

Thread 1:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	0x00007fff20928420 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 2:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	0x00007fff20928420 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
  rax: 0x00006000021f5470  rbx: 0x00000001015d6010  rcx: 0x00007fc1d1011040  rdx: 0x0000000000000000
  rdi: 0x0000000000000008  rsi: 0x00006000021f5470  rbp: 0x00007ffeee7c4870  rsp: 0x00007ffeee7c4848
   r8: 0x00007fc1d1011038   r9: 0x0000000000000040  r10: 0x00000000000007fb  r11: 0x0000000000000100
  r12: 0x00000000000000a0  r13: 0x00007ffeee7c4880  r14: 0x00007fff80c64d78  r15: 0x0000000000000000
  rip: 0x0000000000000000  rfl: 0x0000000000010202  cr2: 0x0000000000000000
  
Logical CPU:     2
Error Code:      0x00000014 (no mapping for user instruction read)
Trap Number:     14

Thread 0 instruction stream not available.

Thread 0 last branch register state not available.


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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:42 am

This is great!
Can you please package the Linux release in a .tar file? It is more native format.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:45 am

How do I open an existing Addresses.cbd on windows?
oh .. there isn't an "open dialog" that I can find. (or a save dialog)
I had to copy my network stored addresses.cbd to C:\Users\{USERNAME}\AppData\Roaming\MikroTik\WinBox
That sucks a bit. I store my config on a network drive so I can access from multiple devices
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:50 am

This new GUI takes some getting used to. The interface feels too "open," with a lot of empty space at 100% zoom. It looks better at 84%, but then the text gets blurry in some places, and there are font glitches. The comments on entries are hard to notice. The collapsible sections are especially bad. The Quick-Set window is awkward since every settings is collapsed which makes no senseβ€”especially in Quick-Set, where you need to see everything at once! Overall, I think these collapsibles are a bad idea and don't fit with the Winbox concept.

There are some font glitches on 84% zoom level. Letter spacing in menu bar is way too small on this zoom level. Maybe disconnect GUI zoom from font size? Dedicated setting to choose font size instead of zooming the whole GUI? Many applications offer to choose font family and font size. Usually there is also a "big UI" or "condensed UI" mode. But usually not so many zoom levels.

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- Winbox/Webfig Skins are apparently ignored.
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:54 am

how do you want bugs reported ?

first bug:
On the load window:-
I scroll to a router in my saved list, double click, connects. (as expected)
I search for anything, then double click, it crashes

Win11 23H2 - 22631.4112
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:57 am

Would be really nice if we also get genuine mac-telnet text mode application from Mikrotik...
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:58 am

This new GUI takes some getting used to. The interface feels too "open," with a lot of empty space at 100% zoom. It looks better at 84%, but then the text gets blurry in some places, and there are font glitches. The comments on entries are hard to notice. The collapsible sections are especially bad. The Quick-Set window is awkward since every settings is collapsed which makes no senseβ€”especially in Quick-Set, where you need to see everything at once! Overall, I think these collapsibles are a bad idea and don't fit with the Winbox concept.

There are some font glitches on 84% zoom level. Letter spacing in menu bar is way too small.

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Winbox/Webfig Skins are apparently ignored.
Something wrong with your fonts. Try another PC?
Post full OS version, when reporting anything
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:58 am

Bugs send to support as tickets.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:02 am

Something wrong with your system fonts. Try another PC?
Lol. I have no issues on any other application on this Linux PC. Please take my comment as it is.

Just observed a crash:

- Open winbox
- set zoom level to 67%
- connect to router
- winbox crash

Does not happen on 100%, 92%, 84%, 75%.

edit: this is inconsistent. sometime happens on 67, then on 75. I don't know even if is related to zoom level at all. where to find logs?
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:04 am

Post full OS version when reporting. It's not your first time on the forum
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:04 am

Feedback:
1. A dropdown menu or similar submenu is currently missing for open windows.
2. Add the ability to detach a window from the WinBox workspace.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:06 am

How do I open an existing Addresses.cbd on windows?
oh .. there isn't an "open dialog" that I can find. (or a save dialog)
I had to copy my network stored addresses.cbd to C:\Users\{USERNAME}\AppData\Roaming\MikroTik\WinBox
That sucks a bit. I store my config on a network drive so I can access from multiple devices
!! Backup the Content of %APPDATA%\MikroTik\WinBox !!
rmdir %APPDATA%\MikroTik\WinBox
net use /PERSISTENT:YES X: \\server\share\Winbox
mklink /d "%APPDATA%\MikroTik\WinBox" "X:\"
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:06 am

Nice to see an update. In the main it seems to work well, but...

1 - <esc> doesn't work any more - closing a whole bunch of panels is now more time consuming and frustrating (the escape key is in the same place on all my keyboards, the shift/control keys aren't).

2 - Comments aren't shown by default - again, more time/frustration in enabling them. Comments are important!

3 - Status tool-tips aren't shown when you hover the mouse over them like they were on Winbox3 (see screenshot) - There doesn't seem to be an easy way to find out what all the letters mean.
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4 - Removal of the tabs at the top of the panels and using a drop box instead makes navigating the options/contents more time consuming and frustrating - it's no longer easy to see what all the sub-categories are and no longer possible to quickly flip between subcategories.

5 - 'Configuration' takes up a chunk of the right hand side of each panel - it means I have to make the window wider and means more scrolling on smaller screens (like the tiny laptop I use on customer sites) - again, more time required and more frustrating.

6 - <ctrl>+<tab> doesn't work any more - no longer easy to move between panels.

7 - <ctrl>+m doesn't work any more - much more time consuming to add comments (double-click line, click in comment box, type comment and then back to the mouse to click on 'OK')

8 - <Num-> and <Num+> no longer enable/disable rows

9 - <Del> does work (deletes row), but <Ins> doesn't (insert row)

Sorry about the above, it does sound like I'm having a moan, but it does seem that while Winbox3 has its limitations, one thing it was very good at was giving fast access to changes and also seeing required information. Winbox4 seems to have slowed down the workflow not just a bit, but quite a lot. For this to be usable, day to day, I need much more keyboard control - bring back the shortcuts!

I do appreciate that this is a beta release, but please please add in more functionality to speed up the workflow - don't make me frustrated by forcing me to use my mouse when a keyboard shortcut would make an action much faster.

For example, to open NAT rules and add a comment to a row (where "Β¬" means toggle between keyboard and mouse)...
Winbox 3 - <click><click><click><click>Β¬<ctrl>+m[type comment]<enter>
Winbox 4 - <click><click><click><click><double-click><click>Β¬[type comment]Β¬<click>

All that having been said, Winbox4 certainly looks smarter.

Nicholas.
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:07 am

Windows uses the same direcory as before, so no special action must be taken. It should just read your old saved files by default
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:08 am

NAB please re-read the original post, shortcut is SHIFT+CTRL+W
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:11 am

Windows uses the same direcory as before, so no special action must be taken. It should just read your old saved files by default
Unfortunately, it did not. I got an empty Winbox, no saved connection. In Winbox 3 everything is still there.
Edit: Found my mistake, I created a new address database with a different name in the past.
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:11 am

Craches on Intel Macook macOS 11.7.10. Tried several times.

@normis: let me know if the developers want a core dump and I'll sort it out.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:14 am

We are trying to find such an old macbook and will test. So far, no help needed, Larsa.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:15 am

NAB, currently we are still working on new shortcuts, so post suggestions, as this is the time to overhaul all of them
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:16 am

NAB please re-read the original post, shortcut is SHIFT+CTRL+W
Please re-read my comment. ;-)

I explicitly said that finding <shift><ctrl> on my keyboard takes a lot longer than finding <esc>. I wouldn't have mentioned <shift><ctrl> if I hadn't read the original post.

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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:17 am

Nice work! I want the tabs back though, the drop downs aren't as good.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:18 am

Just for the record:
If you were / are running WinBox on MacOS using Wine you can find your stored addresses in the Addresses.cdb file in this folder:
/Users/YOUR_USERNAME/Library/Application Support/CrossOver/Bottles/Mikrotik Winbox/drive_c/users/crossover/AppData/Roaming/Mikrotik/Winbox
First impression so far: Looking really good.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:18 am

The new version looks very good, ping TAB can be added to use the route tag detection line, this function is very important, it is a pity to be castrated
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:19 am

NAB, currently we are still working on new shortcuts, so post suggestions, as this is the time to overhaul all of them
Excellent. Thank you. I'll have a think about what would work in an ideal world.

Nicholas.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:23 am

Windows uses the same direcory as before, so no special action must be taken. It should just read your old saved files by default
Winbox 3x by default opens my addresses.cbd from a network share, it's last saved location
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:23 am

Interfaces view - filter option by status ("running" or "disabled" etc) is missing.
It's over there ----------->>>
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:27 am

Hi, thanks for the native Linux version. A few notes for you, I hope this is not only my issue. Debian 12+I3wm
- turning the angle of the pointer at the main menu is quite annoying
- inner windows have barely visible borders, it's hard to see mainly for the new inner window on top, they blend into the background
- no exit button (sadness)
- the right column with options (action in interface list table) is only wasting of space
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there is a barely noticeable disconnect button on top right of window....
 
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- Exit button is on top right corner, looks like chain link.
- Right column with options will have more options.
- Pointer looks like issue in your system only, will check
- borders also looks like a specific install issue
 
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In general I do not get that exited about new looks, but it is nice to see some effort put into it. Obviously, as mentioned in the opening post, there are functionalities that are not there yet.
Two suggestion I have at the first glance
1. when entering the field of user and password at first window when you want to connect to a device, make them selectable, in such way that one can over write any text that previously was entered.
2. Add an option to close a session after x amount of time.
 
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I find it intimidating at first glance ... because the look and feel is very different on my 17inch laptop screen ... perhaps it will grow on me :-)

On my Win 11 Laptop the UI does not follow the Microsoft paradigm ... the look and feel is more Apple Mac like ... IMO this is a mistake ...
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macOS 14.6.1 ARM - Menu with sub-menu is not expanded by default

1. Open WinBox
2. Connect to Router
3. Hover mouse over IP menu - nothing is happening
4. Press IP menu - menu is expanded
5. Hover mouse over IP menu again - menu is expanded
6. Open sub-menu IP --> ARP
7. Hover mouse over IP menu - nothing is happening
8. Close ARP Windows
9. Hover mouse over IP menu - nothing is happening
10. Press IP menu - menu is expanded
11. Hover mouse over IP menu again - menu is expanded

Is this by design?
 
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stmx38 same as before on winbox3, there was never automatic menu opening on hover
 
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Good job!
But, please add device groups in the main window like in the old version.
 
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Baragon, There are. Use same comment as group
 
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But in the old version comments and groups are the separate entries
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:40 am

Log don't scrolls to end on open. Because no Pg-down and Pg-up, nor Home and End anymore works, its very frustrating. We need standard keys back.
 
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Looks good. Only 2 complaints so far is that the new Winbox is about 25 times the size of old Winbox and no longer a single executable, second is that it seems no longer possible to change position of the columns (for example the 'name' column in BGP sessions is currently somewhere at the back and I can't drag it to the front).
 
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50MB is too big in 2024?
 
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it seems no longer possible to change position of the columns (for example the 'name' column in BGP sessions is currently somewhere at the back and I can't drag it to the front).
+1
 
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Maybe it's because I'm getting old but it's very, very, difficult to navigate because of the "flat" design.

Also something as simple as adding a firewall rule takes a lot longer because there's no tabs anymore.

Suppose I have no choice but to get used to it.

Edit - lack of gridlines is an absolute PITA
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Karlis, thanks, Log scrolling is a known issue
 
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50MB is too big in 2024?
That's not what I said. It was nice to be able to boast with a standalone management application that was efficient and not as bloated as everything else is these days. Also, a 2MB app downloads a whole lot quicker when you're on a crappy connection than a 50MB app.
 
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Just tried to install Winbox on Mac Os Big Sur 11.7.10. But once I try to launch the app it crashes immediately on startup with a message in german "Datei nicht gefunden" (file not found") and that's it. Anyone an idea what I did wrong? Too stupid to install a DMG in like 10 years Mac OS experience?

edit:
seems to be the same issue as Larsa already reported. And to be honest, saying "such an old Mac OS version" I feel offended. Support for Big Sur ended Q4/23. It is not like some super ancient version from 2011.
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Edit - lack of gridlines is an absolute PITA
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No safe mode and undo/redo buttons or I'm blind?
 
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Very slow interface when moving windows with the mouse - the window does not keep up with the cursor.
The interface is too spacious, as if it were not a network engineer's tool but a dating app. Not usable on 13" FullHD Dell with lot of windows inside (firewall, ipsec, dhcp)
50 MB instead of 2 for what?
Is this definitely native and not electron on electron under electron?

Hope you will keep support for version 3 in future firmwares for as long as possible. I like native Windows panels, not MacOS crap on my PC.
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I'm finding the scroll bar a bit dimm in dark mode. Just me ?
 
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no longer a single executable
It is single exe, you don't need 'assets' folder to run it.
 
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It's still a single file though. Put it in a USB flash drive and use it. If needed, you can copy the Winbox directory on the same USB to have your saved routers
 
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Hell freezes over. Thanks guys and girls @Mikrotik.

Tested working Macbook Pro M2 Sonoma 14.6.1
 
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No safe mode and undo/redo buttons or I'm blind?
No, they are gone
 
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Looks like macOS 11 is having crash issues. Upgrade your OS if possible. Will look into it.
 
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On Windows 11, the UI feels delayed. Moving the windows around or right clicking to bring up the right click context menu has a delay. I also preferred the tabs over the collapsible sections. I agree with a few other people's thought where it now seems to take up more screen space... maybe a compact mode would be the way forward for those who wish the information to be more compact.

The Default for inline comments is to hide the column, that took me a while to workout I had to unhide it and I was trying to resize it larger for ages 🀣
 
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Very slow interface when moving windows with the mouse - the window does not keep up with the cursor.
The interface is too spacious, as if it were not a network engineer's tool but a dating app.
50 MB instead of 2?
Is this definitely native and not electron on electron under electron?
what OS
 
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I find it intimidating at first glance ... because the look and feel is very different on my 17inch laptop screen ... perhaps it will grow on me :-)
It's growing on me, in a good way!
 
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No safe mode and undo/redo buttons or I'm blind?
TODO
 
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Too much glamour :(
Please add the ability to switch to old interface in future versions.
 
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WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Nobody is forcing you to delete WinBox3, dude
 
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Very slow interface when moving windows with the mouse - the window does not keep up with the cursor.
The interface is too spacious, as if it were not a network engineer's tool but a dating app.
50 MB instead of 2?
Is this definitely native and not electron on electron under electron?
what OS
Win 10 21h2
 
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L3 Hw Offloading does not turn on.
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Feedback:
1. A dropdown menu or similar submenu is currently missing for open windows.
2. Add the ability to detach a window from the WinBox workspace.
It is possible to detach window if you open the drop-down menu and click the button next to the submenu name
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Ability to open password protected *.CDB files still WiP? Or am I missing something?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:06 pm

great project!

cancel button

I caught myself a few times intuitively swapping the cancel button with the apply button (wanting to cancel but hitting on the place where apply today is...) because CANCEL/OK are usually next to each other...
Maybe create a poll on where to put this?
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netinstall & bwtest
does this mean that we also can expect a native macOS (apple sillicon) for netinstall as well? It's one of the most requested reasons from my field engineers for wanting a windows since netinstall on macos (even in wine) is rather difficult due to setup due to permissions required (privileged ports)

and offcourse native bwtest app
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I am now saying something that sounds very ungrateful: DarkMode is too dark.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:06 pm

Are there plans to create dude.exe in this same way ?
 
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I am now saying something that sounds very ungrateful: DarkMode is too dark.
IMO contrast could be increased. I’d prefer a pure black background and brighter font color.
 
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Hello. Looks good so far. My biggest issue is when proxy is enabled (Windows 11 22631.4037), I get the attached error message.
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I did not saw this coming...
Finally I can open winbox at night and not be blinded by the white screen.
not sure if is this by design or not but now the vlan interfaces are not being shown like a "tree"
v3:
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v4:
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P.S. I've sorted by name on both.
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:13 pm

The font should be lighter. More dark shades/gradations. There are some applications that do this quite well, like Postman, Firefox, JetBrains IDE, etc.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:16 pm

First of all, thanks for the Linux version, this is a real step forward.

First beta issue I encountered: copy & paste does not work, e.g. I can't paste my password: the app freezes for a few seconds, then returns to life with nothing pasted. As a result I have to write out passwords etc. by hand, it's doable but a bit tedious. This is on OpenSuSE Tumbleweed running KWin Wayland with KDE Plasma 6.1.4.
 
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First of all, thanks for the Linux version, this is a real step forward.

First beta issue I encountered: copy & paste does not work, e.g. I can't paste my password: the app freezes for a few seconds, then returns to life with nothing pasted. As a result I have to write out passwords etc. by hand, it's doable but a bit tedious. This is on OpenSuSE Tumbleweed running KWin Wayland with KDE Plasma 6.1.4.
Works fine on Fedora 40, KDE spin. Run it from terminal and see what log say.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:23 pm

will there be a "skin" like option to make certain menus invisible ?
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:29 pm

great news mikrotik, thx for your hard work !!
I am already missing ESC for closing windows (long term routine which cannot be forgotten), CTRL+A for selecting stuff and import .wbx files
 
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In the long run will you run apt and yum supported repos?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:34 pm

Like it. Just for my taste, important things should not be in a list. Like "Filter Rules" and if I want "Mangle" i have to open a smol drop-down list/window.
And enable / disable / remove should also be on top with the status line. Thats stuff at the bottom is just weird.

But after all, I like it.
 
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It is possible to detach window if you open the drop-down menu and click the button next to the submenu name

Thanks, but that doesn't work for me because the window is still locked to the WinBox workspace (ie the child window is still locked to the parent workspace)

Environment: WinBox 4.0Beta1, Win10 Pro (10.0.19045). Unfortunately I can't see which WinBox version I'm using. Is there a way to figure this out?
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EDIT:
Crashed on MBP (M1).
It worked OK when i used Discover and connected to my MT.
Than i imported Addresses.
When i select one entry and click connect or double click application crashes.
BUT if i select same (or any other saved contact) so that left side is filled with all data, than change to Discover and connect it works OK.
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Bravi.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:56 pm

Looks Good, but gives WebFig Vibes because of missing Tabs when opening interface or in-depth menu
I would prefer if there is a wide option to use tabs or just scroll and collapsable submenus, or Tabs
+1 for this.

Instead directly clicking on desired tab i need to do 2 clicks now.

Also it seams i cant do CTRL+A now to select multiple items, or here is button i dont see?

Also, can we maybe get pure black theme? (OLED owner here)

And colors in log would be nice(RED error, blue warning) as it was, its much more readable.
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We are trying to find such an old macbook and will test. So far, no help needed, Larsa.

Thanks! Most of our field engineers are forced to use slightly older MacBooks (and you can probably guess why) using macOS 12/13 and equipped with Intel CPUs because we need to run a bunch of Windows-based legacy apps. Even though this particular Intel machine we tested on is "somewhat" older, I saw another post where someone using an M1 CPU had trouble with caches too.
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Environment: Win10 Pro (10.0.19045). Unfortunately I can't see which WinBox version I'm using. Is there a way to figure this out?
It's shown in the window title when you're not connected
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It's shown in the window title when you're not connected

Great, thanks! πŸ™
 
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This is very good!
However, a simple Linux CLI application would also be required, similar to the Windows terminal.exe application.
https://mikrotik.com/download/neighbor.zip
"CLI MAC-Telnet"
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Immediate feedback:

Definitely a nice look, though not without issues. Most of these have been mentioned; I will add one more vote to those.

- Hopefully performance can be improved. Dragging windows and scrolling lags a lot.
- Reordering of columns is a must.
- Expand the comment column by default. Actually I'm not sure how this tri state column works.
- Don't use stupid link style buttons, such as the ones under Actions and Configuration. Anything clickable should be clearly discernible. Similarly with the New button.
- I don't like the dropdown replacing the tabs. One extra click.
- Tabs in dialogs like adding firewall filters have been replaced with collapsible sections. This is a disaster. Extremely worsened workflow. Not helped by the annoyingly laggy scrolling.
- Cancel should be next to Apply and OK in dialogs. Not sure about the Remove button. It's kind of awkwardly placed and not greatly visible.
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Jokes aside (the source code is real), a nice start.

I can't figure out the icon it represents (based on the new MikroTik logo).
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:07 pm

This is very good!
However, a simple Linux CLI application would also be required, similar to the Windows terminal.exe application.
Your version of Linux doesn't have telnet???
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:10 pm

Would be really nice if we also get genuine mac-telnet text mode application from Mikrotik...
That does exist, though it is open source and not from Mikrotik: https://github.com/haakonnessjoen/MAC-Telnet
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:19 pm

Jokes aside (the source code is real), a nice start.

I can't figure out the icon it represents (based on the new MikroTik logo).
Icon is the letter "W"
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:23 pm

Dear Mikrotik,
Winbox is (was?) primarily PC software yet this new GUI somehow looks like it's made for portrait mode devices - phones/tablets.
By far most of the PC displays have much more space/resolution in width than in height, so (horizontal) tabs are a natural choice.
Every single modern web browser has horizontal tabs just because of that FACT.
So.... why did you remove them and make everything vertical?
Right now I'm more surprised than disappointed - you made such a weird decision.
I hope you can do something about that.

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p.s. No to be just a critic, I like the dark mode :)
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:32 pm

I don't want to sound so negatively but some really bad practices (in terms of UI) made it into this new Winbox. Are there any UI/UX designers working for/at Mikrotik?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:33 pm

Missing "Safe mode" is a no-go for more serious work - especially working with devices on remote locations.

2 more observations:

- skins do not seem to work for Winbox 4 (I had QuickSet disabled in skin - it is hidden in Winbox3 but available in Winbox 4)
- there's no way to see which windows are currently open (old Winbox has "Windows" menu for that)

Inefficient use of space in layouts is already mentioned. In addition there are no way to close Action or Configuration panes in right side of a window (which is replacing buttons in top row button(s) of Winbox 3 e.g. Settings in "Bridge" window or Default in IPv6 -> ND -> Prefixes window). That is wasting layout space.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:35 pm

Impressive, very impressive. New winbox looks fantastic, great job Mikrotik :D :D

EDIT: Maybe return graphs on LTE interface as before ? That would be great
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:47 pm

Nice to see an update. In the main it seems to work well, but...

1 - <esc> doesn't work any more - closing a whole bunch of panels is now more time consuming and frustrating (the escape key is in the same place on all my keyboards, the shift/control keys aren't).

2 - Comments aren't shown by default - again, more time/frustration in enabling them. Comments are important!

3 - Status tool-tips aren't shown when you hover the mouse over them like they were on Winbox3 (see screenshot) - There doesn't seem to be an easy way to find out what all the letters mean. Screenshot 2024-08-29 083013.png

4 - Removal of the tabs at the top of the panels and using a drop box instead makes navigating the options/contents more time consuming and frustrating - it's no longer easy to see what all the sub-categories are and no longer possible to quickly flip between subcategories.

5 - 'Configuration' takes up a chunk of the right hand side of each panel - it means I have to make the window wider and means more scrolling on smaller screens (like the tiny laptop I use on customer sites) - again, more time required and more frustrating.

6 - <ctrl>+<tab> doesn't work any more - no longer easy to move between panels.

7 - <ctrl>+m doesn't work any more - much more time consuming to add comments (double-click line, click in comment box, type comment and then back to the mouse to click on 'OK')

8 - <Num-> and <Num+> no longer enable/disable rows

9 - <Del> does work (deletes row), but <Ins> doesn't (insert row)

Sorry about the above, it does sound like I'm having a moan, but it does seem that while Winbox3 has its limitations, one thing it was very good at was giving fast access to changes and also seeing required information. Winbox4 seems to have slowed down the workflow not just a bit, but quite a lot. For this to be usable, day to day, I need much more keyboard control - bring back the shortcuts!

I do appreciate that this is a beta release, but please please add in more functionality to speed up the workflow - don't make me frustrated by forcing me to use my mouse when a keyboard shortcut would make an action much faster.

For example, to open NAT rules and add a comment to a row (where "Β¬" means toggle between keyboard and mouse)...
Winbox 3 - <click><click><click><click>Β¬<ctrl>+m[type comment]<enter>
Winbox 4 - <click><click><click><click><double-click><click>Β¬[type comment]Β¬<click>

All that having been said, Winbox4 certainly looks smarter.

Nicholas.
I agree with everything.
Winbox should be about efficiency, not looks IMHO.

The sad fact is, that almost everything negative mentioned in this thread, will not be taken into account. Or if it will, it will be after 4-5 years of user frustration. That's the MirkoTik way, unfortunately.

I really, REALLY hope, that v3 will be supported by ROS for many years to come.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:50 pm



EDIT: Maybe return graphs on LTE interface as before ? That would be great
Jups also noted that missing
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:58 pm

Good job Mikrotik and thank you.

One suggestion from my side: on macOS, add a link to the "Applications" directory when opening the ".dmg", to make it easier to drag it into "Applications".
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:12 pm

Graphs will get some love treatment, and LTE graphs will return
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:13 pm

Huge release, nice one MikroTik!

Things I've noticed:
1. Log tab is not automatically scrolled to the end, so each time should scroll manually
2. New dropdown instead of tabs isn't very comfortable (2 actions to navigate instead of 1), probably should be a setting to switch
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:14 pm

I really, REALLY hope, that v3 will be supported by ROS for many years to come.
Ditto ...

Winbox 4 for Microsoft Windows looks more like a Apple Mac interface than a Microsoft Windows Interface
I am glad that CLI is built-into ROS :D
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:17 pm

return back my esc :) and the tab vs dropdown should be user configurable and the rest is history, the UI is gorgeous eeehhheeh finally i say something good with MT
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:18 pm

1. Log tab is not automatically scrolled to the end, so each time should scroll manually
Known and will be improved
2. New dropdown instead of tabs isn't very comfortable (2 actions to navigate instead of 1), probably should be a setting to switch
Many comments about this, yes, we know, it is the biggest change and we are debating whether it is even POSSIBLE to keep it as an optional switch, and if not, maybe we go back to tabs.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:21 pm

and also the set of icons is very fresh and professional I hope the skins is also align and haven't tried it yet :)
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:29 pm

Not a fan of the flat/low contrast interface. I want buttons to be recognizable as buttons, not look like labels that make me guess whether they are clickable or not.

Also, the lack of tabs is a downgrade. I will stay with v3.x for now.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:31 pm

imho tabs is much more efficient and faster way to navigate,

Yes icons look nice.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:33 pm

I'm happy with the new tabs, but i want to be able to move the location of stuff by drgging left to right!
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:34 pm

One more request to bring tabs back. It's extremely painful with the dropdowns. Lots of unnecessary clicking and scrolling.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:36 pm

Looks nice! Some bugs/comments:

[Tested on Windows 11]
- I use a password protected list of Routers - in WinBox4 the password of the last connection gets autofilled without needing password after WinBox restart.
- Maximise WinBox, close WinBox. Restart => WinBox starts as a non-maximised window, but with the full screen size.
- Internal subwindows/dialogs: They should open in the center if they don't have an old stored position/size
- The scrollbar is almost invisble, I like to be able to see quickly that I can scroll:
scrollbar.png
- Scrolling in Interface Properties is slow/jerky
- I'm not a big fan of this dropdown, but maybe I'll get used to it
drop1.png
- Maybe add a glow to internal window borders to make them stand out more, same like MS Windows does too:
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:43 pm

  • Grouping, we use groups to "GROUP" customers together then notes to identify what the routers are. This is the biggest one!
  • The actions menu on the right, with detect internet should go someplace else, not good to have lots of blank screen real estate. Or have the ability to collapse it.
  • VLANS and VRRP are not sorted. I.e. you can't tell what interface the vlan belongs too. or what interface the vrrp belongs too
  • No master/backup on vrrp.
  • does not load large routing table. Super slow.
  • no more escape to close window?
Just a few, i think a few of these may have been commented above.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:44 pm

Use Comment field the same way you used Groups before.
Actions menu will have more actions.
How large is your large routing table?
Windows close with CMD+W now, it's in the first post.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:45 pm

We did give our UX designers a second screen with lowest possible contrast ratio and a dirt layer, but did not help it seems.
It's fine, i'll get used to it :D
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:46 pm

Well done! Finally the winbox design is from 19th century to 21st century.
1, Want horizontal menu back not that vertical/drop down.
2, Want undo/redo button back…
3, Want highlight logs since it is new design.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:48 pm

1 and 2 already explained above

3 what do you mean by highlight logs?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:53 pm

Use Comment field the same way you used Groups before.
Actions menu will have more actions.
How large is your large routing table?
Windows close with CMD+W now, it's in the first post.
but comment does not import from the old version, It also does NOT give me two fields to sort customers and routers by. I open up winbox 4 and I get a list of saved .. user and address, and comments that don't show who they belong too. also if i turn on inline comments i don't' see them in the main screen.

Maybe what would or should have happened is the groups should have been converted to workspaces? thoughts?

Understand on actions, but it should still be collapsible

Routing table is 2.5 mill currently. I get 51 routes after 20 seconds, 61 after 25, 74 after 30.. Super slow.. don't know if that is by design, I really don't want to see the entire routing table.. Also locks up the program trying to get routes. Maybe this is just in v6.. v4 goes quicker. CTL_SHIFT_W.. ICK.. three keys instead of one. just give me the ESC back ? or maybe options!!! ?

I don't have a command button so ? what do i use? windows W opens widgets on windows.
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:53 pm

It's just awesome! Huge thanks for the Linux version.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:54 pm

1 and 2 already explained above

3 what do you mean by highlight logs?
Sorry, I meant search keyword can be highlighted.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:55 pm


- I use a password protected list of Routers - in WinBox4 the password of the last connection gets autofilled without needing password after WinBox restart.
This is a big problem. It can be temporarily "mitigated" by unchecking "Keep password" but this field is reactivated when using any of saved list entries so there does not seem to be a good way around this problem.

Btw integrated update mechanism is missing as well - but that might not be possible to do in same way on all platforms (?)
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:56 pm

I cant seem to find where to link to my dropbox cloud account anywhere.. Still fighting with it, On MAc
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:00 pm

BTW, just wanted to congratulate MikroTik on Releasing the v4 of WinBox. Any comments here, should be constructive and help everyone! I like, it, it looks super nice, there are features that make me not wish to use it as of not on a production scale, but its also beta, so i'm sure it will get better with time! Good job!!
 
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Routing table is 2.5 mill currently. I get 51 routes after 20 seconds, 61 after 25, 74 after 30.. Super slow..
Not to mention ridiculousness of monitoring 2.5 M routes in winbox, winbox 4 is not slower than winbox 3 (loads 400k routes in few minutes on a router with 5.5 M routes).
So for the bottleneck of the problem " 51 routes after 20 seconds" is not the winbox itself.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:04 pm

Amazing work MT - thank you! Runs well and much lower memory footprint vs running on wine.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:07 pm

"integrated update mechanism is missing as well - but that might not be possible to do in same way on all platforms " - it is not missing, you will get a notification if new update is available.
"I cant seem to find where to link to my dropbox cloud account anywhere.. Still fighting with it," - what did you mean by Dropbox account regarding WinBox?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:09 pm

The new interface is not contrast, it's much harder to get information now from the screen.
I'd like to have some kind of window management. I.e. add open window titles to the top bar (where Workspace). So it will be like a Windows taskbar then.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:18 pm

Looks good. Maybe a little less flat interface? Borders are known to increase easy of use, since we see better were the sections start/stop.
Found all my devices
Pasted password without problems
Hard locked, when resizing window. Just stopped there, doing nothing. Had to kill it.

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The hard lock happens when I drag the border, to resize the window. If I alternate between "maximum size" and "size that it opened with", it works.

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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:23 pm

We did give our UX designers a second screen with lowest possible contrast ratio and a dirt layer, but did not help it seems.
It's fine, i'll get used to it :D
I've had another look at this, I know what it is now. Take Firefox for example, when you put your pointer on the page the scroll bar illuminates more (dark Mode), when removed it dulls down again. then when you goto the scroll bar to use it, it gets even brighter. So that would be 3 settings. Idle,active curser on page,using the scroll bar!
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:30 pm

I have a gut feeling that complaints about low contrast come from people that have dust layer on screens :D Can't reproduce
normis, very simple, just make sure your UI satisfies WCAG standard: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
Constrast Checker: https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/

At one of the jobs we had C++ unit tests automatically check that the standard is satisfied, based on this JavaScript code: https://github.com/bbc/color-contrast-c ... er.js#L113

Edit:
I know the people in this forum set a bad tone, the "vocal minority" but I think you guys should treat this professionally, it's quite a widespread vision problem where people struggle with contrast.
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:33 pm

Thank you for the native MacOS release. Unfortunately, it is terribly slow and clunky once you are connected to a device and the window is maximized. Main menu navigation and functionality seems to be fine. Issues only begin once you connect to a device.

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Connecting over IP to RB4011 on 7.15.2
  • Moving the mouse pointer over the side menus results in very slow/laggy behavior. Noticeable delay in menus expanding like IP, SYSTEM, TOOLS, etc...
  • Clicking entries in open windows is intermittently slow and delayed. For example, if you open Interfaces and click on an interface it will not highlight the selected interface for up to 2-3 seconds.
  • The same behavior is experienced if you click the dropdown menu in an open window. The dropdown is intermittently slow to appear and then when you move the mouse through the submenu choices, it is very slow/laggy.
  • Dragging open windows throughout the workspace is slow and delayed.
The behavior is experienced at different zoom levels, both dark/light modes, and with the resource panel both shown and not shown. As stated, the behavior seems to be most prevalent when the window is maximized. Things seem to smooth out if you decrease the window size.

Monitoring the WinBox process in Activity Monitor shows that there is upwards of 30% CPU usage and very low GPU usage. The CPU utilization of the process jumps significantly as windows are opened and closed, and windows are dragged across the workspace.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:34 pm

Awesome !

Unfortunately I can't find the search & highlight feature:
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:36 pm

Thank you for the native MacOS release. Unfortunately, it is terribly slow and clunky once you are connected to a device and the window is maximized. Main menu navigation and functionality seems to be fine. Issues only begin once you connect to a device.

MacOS 14.6.1 on 2023 Mini M2 Pro
Connecting over IP to RB4011 on 7.15.2
  • Moving the mouse pointer over the side menus results in very slow/laggy behavior. Noticeable delay in menus expanding like IP, SYSTEM, TOOLS, etc...
  • Clicking entries in open windows is intermittently slow and delayed. For example, if you open Interfaces and click on an interface it will not highlight the selected interface for up to 2-3 seconds.
  • The same behavior is experienced if you click the dropdown menu in an open window. The dropdown is intermittently slow to appear and then when you move the mouse through the submenu choices, it is very slow/laggy.
  • Dragging open windows throughout the workspace is slow and delayed.
The behavior is experienced at different zoom levels, both dark/light modes, and with the resource panel both shown and not shown. As stated, the behavior seems to be most prevalent when the window is maximized. Things seem to smooth out if you decrease the window size.

Monitoring the WinBox process in Activity Monitor shows that there is upwards of 30% CPU usage and very low GPU usage. The CPU utilization of the process jumps significantly as windows are opened and closed, and windows are dragged across the workspace.
Lightning fast on my M1. So it could be some bug. Send more into to support
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:37 pm

Couldn't believe my eyes. Native on all three platforms. Nice job!! Also looks very good, and fact that its not an electron app is refreshingly amazing.

Few notes:

* On linux (at least on my pc) it uses around 800mb of ram, which is quite a lot, while on mac with same windows open - ~260mb.
* Dark mode needs a bit more contrast between background and inner windows
* On mac Cmd + W closes inside windows which is awesome, but on linux Ctrl + W does not do that.
* Disconnect button is not obvious, how about a red color for the button?
* How do we check for updates? :)

Overall nice to see a modern interface and native app on all platforms.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:38 pm

* On mac Cmd + W closes inside windows which is awesome, but on linux Ctrl + W does not do that.

add SHIFT to that (as per first post)

* How do we check for updates? :)

It's automagically done
 
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I have a gut feeling that complaints about low contrast come from people that have dust layer on screens :D Can't reproduce
normis, very simple, just make sure your UI satisfies WCAG standard: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
Constrast Checker: https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/

At one of the jobs we had C++ unit tests automatically check that the standard is satisfied, based on this JavaScript code: https://github.com/bbc/color-contrast-c ... er.js#L113
Thank you for commenting. Applying WCAG standards for contrasts is a must. Regardless of dust on screen and gut feeling of an individual....
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:42 pm

  • Ctrl+Shift+W to close a window is ridiculous, too complex and unintuitive. All modern browsers use just Ctrl+W for that (at least on Windows) and I believe many people are already familiar and comfortable with that combination. Can we get it supported in the WinBox as well?
  • As others have pointed out already, lack of gridlines is a pain. Can we get at least the vertical lines back, please?
 
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Congrats! It took "a while", but this new version looks great! Now on to The Dude!
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:46 pm

nice new look

some first impressions and short-commings:
EDIT: - how do we activate SAFE MODE O.O ??
- windows which get dragged inside WBox4 lag behind mouse cursor
- missing the "Open In New Window" option
- missing the "Find" text field to quickly highlight saved routers
- missing the "Show Categories" for saved routers
- "Enter" key does not work when i tried to apply a change (e.g. a wg peer) -> i had to CLICK the "Apply" button
- "F6" key to swap through opened windows inside a WBox session does not work anymore
- "F4" key as an alternative to "Esc" or the new way "CTRL + SHIFT + W" does not work anymore

- missing a requested feature for Winbox Hotkey Support (a bummer :( ... ) viewtopic.php?p=1076997#p980023
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Lightning fast on my M1. So it could be some bug. Send more into to support
No issues on my MacBook Pro M3 Pro. So yeah, something going on with the M2 Pro. I'll open a ticket.
 
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suggestion/idea to show currently opened windows -> "macOS expose"-like tiled overview of all opened windows
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:51 pm

You got the name wrong, it's not WinBox now, it's MacBox. It's too linux-like, it should be Windows, it would be better to create a UWP application. And in general, please make just a Wine wrapped application on Windows with a black theme, that would be enough. You didn't have to do that.
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:53 pm

Yes, why CMD+W on Mac OS but off-standard CTRL+SHIFT+W??? All browsers use CTRL+W for closing tabs/windows. People are used to this shortcut very well

This is because in the Terminal window maybe you have SSH into some Linux system and running VIM, Terminal listens to all shortcut keys. CTRL+W is "eaten" by terminal
 
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I was planning to ask for this feature even for old Winbox, but now since development of new version is in progress there is more sense to implement in this version.

Can you please add Terminal icon on window title bar (for configuration section windows) which will open Terminal at path of configuration section.
Something like this:
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Similar like OS file managers have menu item to open Terminal for directories/folders.

This will speed up executing CLI commands for several reasons, like - no need to write full path or go to path before running commands in specific configuration section, non experienced ROS users will immediately know full path of some configuration section presented in Winbox...
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:57 pm

connecting thru romon seems not to work on Mac version
M1/Ventura
 
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Lightning fast on my M1. So it could be some bug. Send more into to support
No issues on my MacBook Pro M3 Pro. So yeah, something going on with the M2 Pro. I'll open a ticket.
@normis - SUP-163597

I will send whatever you guys need and I will continue to dig on my end to see if I can sort it out.
 
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connecting thru romon seems not to work on Mac version
M1/Ventura
Romon seems to work OK here on Intel Mac with Monterey...
 
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Not a crucial thing but our Hungarian characters are not shown correctly at names, comments. I try to avoid every students of mine to use them, but even I as a trainer make such a "mistake" sometimes :)
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This is because in the Terminal window maybe you have SSH into some Linux system and running VIM, Terminal listens to all shortcut keys. CTRL+W is "eaten" by terminal
I would much prefer and additional click to close the terminal window. Please-please-please make Ctrl+W work with non-terminal windows.
 
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First of all, thanks for the Linux version, this is a real step forward.

First beta issue I encountered: copy & paste does not work, e.g. I can't paste my password: the app freezes for a few seconds, then returns to life with nothing pasted. As a result I have to write out passwords etc. by hand, it's doable but a bit tedious. This is on OpenSuSE Tumbleweed running KWin Wayland with KDE Plasma 6.1.4.
Works fine on Fedora 40, KDE spin. Run it from terminal and see what log say.
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> ./WinBox
APP,INFO: version: "4.0beta1"
PERS,WARN: read ERROR OPENING "No such file or directory" "/home/username/.local/share/MikroTik/WinBox/settings.cfg.viw2"
PERS,WARN: read ERROR OPENING "No such file or directory" "/home/username/.local/share/MikroTik/WinBox/Addresses.cdb"
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 10.0.0.255, 
APP,UPDATE: version fetched: "4.0beta1"
APP,UPDATE: nothing to update
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 10.0.0.255, 
DOIT CMD REP
--- nv::message --------
 u32 [SYS_TYPE]=TYPE_REPLY
 u32 [SYS_REQID]=8 0x8 8.0.0.0
 u32[2] [SYS_TO]=0, 1, 
 u32[1] [SYS_FROM]=1, 
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 10.0.0.255, 
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 10.0.0.255, 
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 10.0.0.255, 
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 10.0.0.255, 
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 10.0.0.255, 
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 10.0.0.255, 
PERS,INFO: saving data to "/home/username/.local/share/MikroTik/WinBox/Addresses.cdb"
WBOXCONN status change "Looking up host..."
WBOXCONN status change "Connecting..."
WBOXCONN status change "Authenticating..."
WBOXCONN status change "Auth OK."
boardName=<RBD52G-5HacD2HnD>
boardArch=<arm>
boardFamily=<RB3000>
displayName=<hAP ac^2>
vers=<7.15.3 (stable)>
!!! TODO u32_array "Pairwise Ciphers" "WiFi"
!!! TODO u32_array "RSN AKMS" "WiFi"
PERS,WARN: read ERROR OPENING "No such file or directory" "/home/username/.local/share/MikroTik/WinBox/workspaces/__10.0.0.1.cfg.viw2"
WINDOW,SELECTOR: active item changed, switching view
WINDOW,SELECTOR: active item changed, switching view
WINDOW,SELECTOR: active item changed, switching view
WINDOW,SELECTOR: active item changed, switching view
CTYPE,WARN addviews ICond doesn't have target views, cond:dhcp
CTYPE,WARN addviews ICond doesn't have target views, cond:bridgeall
CTYPE,WARN addviews ICond doesn't have target views, cond:macserver
CTYPE,WARN addviews ICond doesn't have target views, cond:macwinbox
CTYPE,WARN addviews ICond doesn't have target views, cond:discovery
CTYPE,WARN addviews ICond doesn't have target views, cond:notrunning
CTYPE,WARN addviews ICond doesn't have target views, cond:ro
APP,INFO: app about to quit
PERS,INFO: saving data to "/home/username/.local/share/MikroTik/WinBox/settings.cfg.viw2"
PERS,INFO: saving data to "/home/username/.local/share/MikroTik/WinBox/workspaces/__10.0.0.1.cfg.viw2"
WBOXSESS,DBG: destroy winbox session
APPLOOPER,WARN: no data handler for:3
--- nv::message --------
 u32 [SYS_CMD]=CMD_UNSUBSCRIBE
 u32 [STD_FILTER]=268435461 0x10000005 5.0.0.16
 u32 [SYS_CREDITS]=1000 0x3e8 232.3.0.0
 u32[2] [SYS_FROM]=0, 2, 
 u32[1] [SYS_TO]=3, 
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:19 pm

I also vote on give back the tabs: no need for one more click to get where I want to. Also please bring back Esc to close the windows. Anyway, seems good job so far.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:22 pm

Since RouterOS features are not dependent on WinBox,
how about making it OpenSource now that it exists on all 3 major platforms?
 
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We could make CTRL+W for non-terminal windows, and CTRL+SHIFT+W for all windows. If that is an acceptable alternative.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:24 pm

* On mac Cmd + W closes inside windows which is awesome, but on linux Ctrl + W does not do that.

add SHIFT to that (as per first post)

* How do we check for updates? :)

It's automagically done
Indeed it works, thanks!
 
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but we will see if we can remove shift for all windows except terminal, as per post above yours
 
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Since RouterOS features are not dependent on WinBox,
how about making it OpenSource now that it exists on all 3 major platforms?

So all the programmers would have concentrated on improving and finishing v7,
instead of worrying about developing an application that does NOT run RouterOS...
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:43 pm

Tested Windows version, very nice so far!

- Is there a way to move the lower horizontal bar (system resources) to the top? I'm kind of used to see it there :)
- I agree on having tabs back, dropdowns are not so good.

Keep it up team!!
 
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Not yet, but we are reading all your suggestions and a lot of changes are coming. This is just the first look
 
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Yes, why CMD+W on Mac OS but off-standard CTRL+SHIFT+W??? All browsers use CTRL+W for closing tabs/windows. People are used to this shortcut very well

This is because in the Terminal window maybe you have SSH into some Linux system and running VIM, Terminal listens to all shortcut keys. CTRL+W is "eaten" by terminal
How is this related to WinBox? I don't get it. I can open as many SSH connections with open VIM instances as I like. I can still use "CTRL + W" to close my tabs in Firefox. I really don't understand the answer from you, Normis.
 
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Terminal is inside Winbox, it's the same app. If you need to pass commands to linux in your terminal, those shortcut keys must work. One workaround would be that you must click with mouse on Terminal window to be able to type, but I guess many will not like this. People expect possibility to start writing immediately when switching windows.
 
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Love it. Winbox on MacBook looks great !!!
 
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New Winbox <3 Maybe there will be hope for a new Dude! :)
 
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System -> Scripts: there's no way to edit scripts. Only options are Run and Remove...
 
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System -> Scripts: there's no way to edit scripts. Only options are Run and Remove...
double click on the script name and editor will open
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@normis, please add also auto dark mode (depends on the global system white/dark mode)
 
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Terminal is inside Winbox, it's the same app. If you need to pass commands to linux in your terminal, those shortcut keys must work. One workaround would be that you must click with mouse on Terminal window to be able to type, but I guess many will not like this. People expect possibility to start writing immediately when switching windows.
OK, now I undestand. It's about the Winbox Terminal window. Yes indeed, this catches CTRL+ key combinations.

- close terminal: CTRL+D
- close window: CTRL+W

Problem solved.
 
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We could make CTRL+W for non-terminal windows, and CTRL+SHIFT+W for all windows. If that is an acceptable alternative.
With Winbox3, <esc> has no effect on the terminal panel. I'd be happy if <ctrl>+w had no effect on the terminal panel in Winbox4 in the same way (well, ideally it would be <esc> rather than <ctrl>+w, but if it has to change, it has to change) - at least the behaviour would be consistent between Winbox3 and Winbox4.
 
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Esc is non standard shorcut key, W is more known from other apps.
 
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well, ideally it would be <esc> rather than <ctrl>+w
Please look up the meaning of pressing ESC key on a terminal. Spoiler: it is not for closing a terminal session.
 
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Esc is non standard shorcut key, W is more known from other apps.
Yup, I get that and I understand. <ctrl>+w is a much better option than <ctrl>+<shift>+w and if <ctrl>+w doesn't close the terminal window, there's no real change between behaviours in Winbox3 and Winbox4.
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Please look up the meaning of pressing ESC key on a terminal. Spoiler: it is not for closing a terminal session.
Patronise much?

Of course I know the meaning, but I'm not talking about the pros and cons of using <esc>, I'm talking about the behaviour of Winbox3.
 
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System -> Scripts: there's no way to edit scripts. Only options are Run and Remove...
double click on the script name and editor will open
Strange - it did not work before but now it does. Maybe it is something "beta-borking" or it is just the very old and tired MacOS Monterey "double-tripleclick" bug...
 
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Patronising? You just suggest to use ESC to close windows....
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:11 pm

Not yet, but we are reading all your suggestions and a lot of changes are coming. This is just the first look
Thanks! :)

I enabled Inline comments but I cannot expand the column to see it properly. For some reason other columns can be dragged to expand but not the comment column (at least in my case)
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:17 pm

while we are on the subject of making winbox more mondern and useful how about also bringing back proper routing filters to streamline the process and still leave the current behavior/design for some power/advance users?, just my 0.2$
 
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Patronising? You just suggest to use ESC to close windows....
Ah, I see your misunderstanding. OK. I'll take that statement back. I was suggesting that I would find Winbox3's behaviour (i.e. close all panels EXCEPT terminal with <esc>) better than using <ctrl>+w. I absolutely was NOT suggesting that <esc> should close terminals.
 
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- I use a password protected list of Routers - in WinBox4 the password of the last connection gets autofilled without needing password after WinBox restart.
This is a big problem. It can be temporarily "mitigated" by unchecking "Keep password" but this field is reactivated when using any of saved list entries so there does not seem to be a good way around this problem.
I found "kind-of-mitigation" to this problem for now - just untick "keep password" field before quitting Winbox. This way (without clicking anything else before closing) password field will be empty on next launch and saved entries will retain their saved passwords.

Other related issue is inability to set/change address list password ("master password" in WinBox 3).
 
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Click on the column header to expand
Interesting, I see it has 3 different modes to show comments. Nice!! :)
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:32 pm

Tested Windows version, very nice so far!

- Is there a way to move the lower horizontal bar (system resources) to the top? I'm kind of used to see it there :)
- I agree on having tabs back, dropdowns are not so good.

Keep it up team!!
+1 That horizontal bar (system resources) goes on top or we can change placement
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Crash using BigSur 11.7.10
Process:               WinBox [6690]
Path:                  /Applications/WinBox_4.app/Contents/MacOS/WinBox
Identifier:            my.example.com
Version:               0.1 (0.1)
Code Type:             X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:        ??? [1]
Responsible:           WinBox [6690]
User ID:               501

Date/Time:             2024-08-29 11:25:54.295 -0300
OS Version:            macOS 11.7.10 (20G1427)
Report Version:        12
Anonymous UUID:        D4F5F1A5-CE7B-4212-958F-4C0F4EF6E079


Time Awake Since Boot: 13000 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread:        0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type:        EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes:       KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000000000000
Exception Note:        EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal:    Segmentation fault: 11
Termination Reason:    Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0xb
Terminating Process:   exc handler [6690]

VM Regions Near 0:
--> 
    __TEXT                      105e18000-108374000    [ 37.4M] r-x/r-x SM=COW  /Applications/WinBox_4.app/Contents/MacOS/WinBox

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   ???                           	000000000000000000 0 + 0
1   my.example.com                	0x0000000105fb7038 0x105e18000 + 1699896
2   dyld                          	0x00000001096b1b47 ImageLoaderMachO::doModInitFunctions(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 535
3   dyld                          	0x00000001096b1f52 ImageLoaderMachO::doInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 40
4   dyld                          	0x00000001096acae6 ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, char const*, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&, ImageLoader::UninitedUpwards&) + 492
5   dyld                          	0x00000001096aa89f ImageLoader::processInitializers(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&, ImageLoader::UninitedUpwards&) + 191
6   dyld                          	0x00000001096aa940 ImageLoader::runInitializers(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 82
7   dyld                          	0x00000001096968b1 dyld::initializeMainExecutable() + 199
8   dyld                          	0x000000010969d041 dyld::_main(macho_header const*, unsigned long, int, char const**, char const**, char const**, unsigned long*) + 9098
9   dyld                          	0x0000000109695224 dyldbootstrap::start(dyld3::MachOLoaded const*, int, char const**, dyld3::MachOLoaded const*, unsigned long*) + 450
10  dyld                          	0x0000000109695025 _dyld_start + 37

Thread 1:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	0x00007fff20376420 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 2:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	0x00007fff20376420 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
  rax: 0x000060000143c420  rbx: 0x0000000105fb7010  rcx: 0x00007fd096809040  rdx: 0x0000000000000000
  rdi: 0x0000000000000008  rsi: 0x000060000143c420  rbp: 0x00007ffee9de3800  rsp: 0x00007ffee9de37d8
   r8: 0x00007fd096809038   r9: 0x0000000000000050  r10: 0x00000000000007fb  r11: 0x00000000000000cc
  r12: 0x00000000000000a0  r13: 0x00007ffee9de3810  r14: 0x00007fff806b2d78  r15: 0x0000000000000000
  rip: 0x0000000000000000  rfl: 0x0000000000010202  cr2: 0x0000000000000000
  
Logical CPU:     0
Error Code:      0x00000014 (no mapping for user instruction read)
Trap Number:     14

Thread 0 instruction stream not available.

Thread 0 last branch register state not available.


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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:38 pm

This is interesting! I welcome the addition of native macOS and Linux apps, as the WINE way of running it on macOS felt absolutely terrible and buggy.

That being said, while I appreciate the polished new design, and obviously it takes a while to get used to, I find it that it's much more difficult to glance for basic info due to the lack of borders in between the cells.

Is there any chance of bringing an option to display the borders between cells?

I'm also not a big fan of:

- the actions being on the *right* side of Windows (like "Detect Internet" and such" -- this will be terrible to work with on small laptop screens (think 1368x768), and it's apparently not resizable either
- the "smooth" scrolling applied to drop-downs (like Interface > New), which just *feels* like you're high jacking my OS's scroll behaviour
- the auto-sizing of the columns right now is a "miss": https://123.456.ro/share/2024/08/WinBox_KtFmMvNrPJ.png

Overall, my primary criticism is that WinBox should really __not__ adopt a "minimalistic" design, it's one of the tools that needs to be as verbose as possible.

EDIT:

Also another gripe: the action buttons (enable/disable/remove) are REALLY poorly placed IMO: easy to click them by mistake, easy to hide them away if you move the window around, and being auto-hidden when no item is in focus is puzzling.

If it's an action, why aren't you keeping it on the *right* sidebar? That's a huge waste of space already, might at least try to make it more usable/popoulated.
Last edited by Znuff on Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
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Yes, it looks like older macOS versions (11) on x86 crash, currently a known issue
 
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for windows 32bit version ? no ?
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:55 pm

- Tabs in dialogs like adding firewall filters have been replaced with collapsible sections. This is a disaster. Extremely worsened workflow. Not helped by the annoyingly laggy scrolling.
- Cancel should be next to Apply and OK in dialogs. Not sure about the Remove button. It's kind of awkwardly placed and not greatly visible.
I actually oppose the comment on firewall rules. It looked uncomfortable at the beginning but now it feels much more logical as you are able to see all by just scrolling up and down instead of jumping around different tabs.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:58 pm

Congrats! It took "a while", but this new version looks great! Now on to The Dude!
Uffff, if they redo the dude as winbox... That would be awesome...
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:59 pm

Yes, it looks like older macOS versions (11) on x86 crash, currently a known issue
@normis I believe it has to do with the xcode build version.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:11 pm

Congrats Normis! In terms of changes dont feel pressured to go one way or another. I prefer user-selectable. In other words, for example, one may prefer tabs and another may prefer pull-downs. I am assuming there were good reasons for your developers to provide pull-downs etc. Same with contrast, one could accept the provided schema as default but have a user selectable one for MORE contrast.

In terms of 'missing items', useful proven functionality be it 'moveable' columns or content provided in expected areas should be respected, as it would be unusual for any requirement that stated please remove useful stuff. Understanding of course this is beta and the intent is to fully populate W4 with all of the past good stuff.

Great comments by folks! Please refrain from complaining about the betamax users, so to speak, as on one hand you tout the low cost of MT products and their quality and lifespan of RoS, and yet comment on equipment that isnt the newest/expensive to use with MT. Cant have your cake and eat it too. ;-)
Imagine if you had to pay for all this excellent feedback!!!
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:13 pm

As far as I understand - the current version does not support calling Winbox with parameter passing? For example, now it is impossible to call this version from The Dude - winbox.exe [Device.FirstAddress] [Device.UserName] [Device.Password]
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:16 pm

- Most importantly, since it's all built from zero, we have the ability to quickly change and fix things!
I have high hopes in this. Since it is still the first beta, many things can be subject to change. I hope that progress over the next months is so positive that even pessimists "Winbox 3.x forever"-shouters consider migrating to Winbox 4.x.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:19 pm

Copy action is missing for firewall rules and other items
Copy actions is "hidden" in the header of a window of the item itself in the form of an icon on right to the "name" field. "Standing corrected" once more...
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:30 pm

Click on the column header to expand
Is there a way to drag columns to reorder them? For example: move comment column to the right.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:33 pm

Hello! I really like the new skin. Especially DarkMode, which really came in handy. But I'm missing a button. This is the Windows button, with which you can easily navigate between many windows if you have them open. where does this go?
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:40 pm

At least Windows 7 and earlier incompatible.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:59 pm

First thing that I checked is if it now auto-refreshes the BGP sessions window (something that was said would be possible only in the next winbox version), but it doesn't :-(
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:08 pm

Props to the developers. This work is not an easy feat to accomplish. Looking forward to the progress in coming releases.
I don't want to sound so negatively but some really bad practices (in terms of UI) made it into this new Winbox. Are there any UI/UX designers working for/at Mikrotik?
Welcome to some of what those of us who've been using WebFig the last couple of years have had to deal with. Some changes are welcome and make sense, others, as implemented, seem to indicate a lack in UI/UX planning and understanding. These apps ought to be function first, form second.

As others have said, grouping all of the sections into drop-down groups that are all hidden by default makes monitoring or tweaking certain options (like interfaces) very tedious. Tabs as in old Webfig and Winbox were a better way of quickly switching between sections (although, yes, on Webfig, the old way they were implemented was getting a bit unwieldy).

This is (supposed to be) an information-rich tool, and a lot of us are heavily dependent on learned behaviors and muscle memory to work efficiently. Our eyes look for natural boundaries and other visual queues, especially when trying to parse and process information. The use of white space as the only delineation between items (such as column headings and submenu items) is reminiscent of Mystery Meat Navigation, where you don't know what something does until you put your mouse over it. And the fact that some checkboxes have outlines and others don't is a bit confusing. (Examples of both are shown below.)
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Last recommendation: don't make all windows appear anchored to the top left and take up full width. Give it a few pixels of "breathing room" on the left, top, and right sides, which makes it easier to recognize as a floating window and simple to grab and resize. Only go full-width/height if someone expands it.
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All nitpicks aside, I'm excited to see the progress made and a native macOS version.
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:11 pm

I'll start off by saying that I too would prefer to stick with tabs as it does speed up my workflow and is easier to switch between tabs. My opinion is that this hinders the UX of the app.

With that out of the way, this is a fantastic update to Winbox. It looks so different, has a much more user friendly experience and it scales very well.

Massive well done to the Mikrotik team.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:14 pm

Few more things:

1. Would be nice to be able to open new window by Ctrl + Shift + N.
2. On saved list there should be a column for hostname / route identity name / or even a comment would be awesome - no fun in remembering ip addresses.
3. +1 for detecting system light / dark mode.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:20 pm

This is a big day for us and hopefully for you too.

WinBox 4 is finally here, for Windows, macOS and Linux.
I applaud the change they have made, a modern looking interface. I really see that the connection is faster and more fluid in this new version. As a developer I understand the point that the errors have to be fixed first, however as a user, not everything is a pretty interface, it must be functional (and I understand that it is in beta phase and that the functions will be added), what I do not forgive is that it is not ergonomic, if I cannot have an interface that is ergonomically equal or superior to the previous one, how can I then test and report any error? and when I say ergonomic I mean for example:
  • On the initial screen, I have 50+ records to equipment, I cannot sort them by group to locate it easily.
  • Now having to click 3 times to go to a section such as interface/vlan when before there were only 2.
  • The color of the routes in ip/routes that makes it easy to know their status.
Among other things.
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:23 pm

I agree with what @sirbryan says.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:46 pm

Nice to see an update. In the main it seems to work well, but...
After few minutes I have the same remarks and I miss the quick find. But lack of the tab bar and toolbar is a big show stopper
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:51 pm

A couple of changes I would like:

1. Pressing esc to close windows.
2. In "Interfaces" PPPOE clients don't nest under the VLAN that they are on anymore, I use that info a lot actually.
3. Dragging windows feels sluggish
4. Rather than having things in a menu, I much prefer the tabs. It takes more clicks to get to listing VLANs for example, less clicks required is better.
5. An indication of the columns, eg IP>Firewall you can't see as easily where the columns are, there are no separating lines.

But I like the commitment to a new style, keep up the good work and with some improvements I can see this being very awesome down the road.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:54 pm

I agree with what @sirbryan says.
You and me both. Some years ago people decided that "The blander, the better. The flatter, the better".
A screen is 100% a made up world. There are no hard boundaries, no physical limits. We NEED to have divisions, we NEED buttons to appear different from the back.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:00 pm

+1 for tabs, much better in my opinion. Also in Winbox V3 VLANs that are added to the bridge interface are under bridge, in Winbox V4 for eg VLANs are on top of the interfaces and bridge is under them... It would be great if you can fix that..
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:17 pm

How will the update process be? Will there be an option like the old version, where you can download the new executable?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:19 pm

Crash on Windows 7 SP1 with popup message "Entry point not found: The entry point to the CreateDXGIFactory2 procedure was not found in the DLL dxgi.dll ."
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:29 pm

Looking and feeling very good!

Problem found:
- Login with Mac version not possible, when system login is through RADIUS. No matter if using migrated address book or credentials entered fresh. Login attempt reaches RADIUS server (Windows NPS in my case) but login is denied due to wrong credentials. RouterOS 7.16rc2 and macOS 14.6.1.
Same login working fine with WinBox 3 and 4 on Windows and WinBox 3 on macOS using Wine.

Suggestion:
- Feature to autosize columns using double click on width modifier. Either on content length or column header if content is shorter than header. Maybe even a feature to autosize all columns that way at once.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:35 pm

I agree with what @sirbryan says.
+1. Truly a sir.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:43 pm

Great to finally have a native version for macOS! And it has dark mode!

At times, it feels like the old WinBox was more minimalist (the buttons, menus, lists), and the information was easier to understand, plus more information fit on the screen.

Another thing I’m missing is the ability to import the .wbx file exported from the previous WinBox on a Windows VM (it didn’t work very well with Wine on macOS).

Thanks for all the hard work!
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:06 pm

Very nice ! Design is beautiful.

Can you add :
* the escape key behavior like v3x
* more options from right click
* confirmation for delete with the bottom button on the list, like the one at the left of a element box
* a way to enable only when necessary the drag/drop to prevent wrong actions
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:33 pm

How do we open address file store on onedrive or dropbox?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:35 pm

Create a symlink for file. Even NTFS supports junctions
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:41 pm

We need the ability to import from v3 to v4. Also to be able to group things or sort by comments etc... Other than that it looks cool
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:45 pm

I would like to see a feature to queue configuration changes, and when ready, apply all queued changes at once. This is especially useful when working remotely on a device where you have to change the IP address configuration of the uplink interface and it's default gateway. Currently you can't do this without using scripts and hoping you didn't make any mistakes. Together with safe mode, it becomes even more useful.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:17 pm

First, I'm really happy for linux native version.

GUI is not very handy on small screen laptop - no tabs, hidden topics, still scrolling up and down. Not happy, but i can live with it. Sadly GUI looks laggy at scrolling.

Things I found and missing:
- no DNS translation in bandwith test (IP only)
- changes aren't highlighted as in v3
- no HTTP redirect to browser if I want to connect to SwOS
- no button to close all opened tabs/windows
- no external command calling (like ./winbox.exe 192.168.88.1 etc.)
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:26 pm

Baragon, There are. Use same comment as group
i also agree, im missing the group/note feature on the start page
i have notes like FTTC for 3 routers, and they all say FTTC
but i have groups set as site1, site2, site3 and i use to sort by the groups so it was split per site

because i use the note box to describe where the kit is/attached too
for example, FTTC (main router), basement (switch in basement), loftspace (switch in loft space), etc...

P.S the is a bug in the upload of attachements?
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:28 pm

I would like to see a feature to queue configuration changes, and when ready, apply all queued changes at once. This is especially useful when working remotely on a device where you have to change the IP address configuration of the uplink interface and it's default gateway. Currently you can't do this without using scripts and hoping you didn't make any mistakes. Together with safe mode, it becomes even more useful.
Another excellent suggestion! I know this e.g. from OpenWrt. I think many other systems have this "transactional" config system as well. It has many advantages.

- apply several changes at once. Few days ago I needed to change passphrase on the security profile and the SSID on the wifi interface (Station Mode) simultaneously - otherwise connection forever lost. Only way was by use scripting. Impossible to achieve with Winbox GUI in no way.
- avoid/reduce useless writes to disk. Sometimes one needs to tinker and make many changes until it works. No need to save every change/step in between. Better to just save the DIFF (last saved config <<<>>> uncommitted changes) once I am finished.
- combine it with "safe mode". if commiting config results in a device lockout and can't reconnect - ROS can just revert the transaction. Done. Basically what safe-mode is already. Difference: not from the point you hit some safe-mode button. not to mention that I highly doubt safe-mode really works. I observed cases where it did not revert all changes. very spooky, so I don't use it.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:45 pm

Thanks, this is a great first release! Very happy. Works really smooth on an M1 Mac on Ventura. Don't see any lag that some others mention.

Adding a +1 for tabbed interface and increase in contrast (incl. colourful icons that were easier to distinguish one from another) of course - but pleased that you are already looking into potential solutions :).
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:47 pm

What!?? Thank you so much ! Really nice work !
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:58 pm

BUG: every time i open up a torch for an interface, it seems to default to TCPMUX on the port?
this is useless when you torch a PPPOE client interface,
i have to remove the port option OR change it to ANY to get it to show data at all

EDIT: also when you torch, the is no ports being shown, only IP addresses?
EDIT2: the thee no ports being shown in torch is because i removed the ports value, it MUST be set to ANY to show port numbers!
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:58 pm

commenting to say I was here to witness history!
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:08 pm

I would like to see a feature to queue configuration changes, and when ready, apply all queued changes at once. This is especially useful when working remotely on a device where you have to change the IP address configuration of the uplink interface and it's default gateway. Currently you can't do this without using scripts and hoping you didn't make any mistakes. Together with safe mode, it becomes even more useful.
Another excellent suggestion! I know this e.g. from OpenWrt. I think many other systems have this "transactional" config system as well. It has many advantages.

- apply several changes at once. Few days ago I needed to change passphrase on the security profile and the SSID on the wifi interface (Station Mode) simultaneously - otherwise connection forever lost. Only way was by use scripting. Impossible to achieve with Winbox GUI in no way.
- avoid/reduce useless writes to disk. Sometimes one needs to tinker and make many changes until it works. No need to save every change/step in between. Better to just save the DIFF (last saved config <<<>>> uncommitted changes) once I am finished.
- combine it with "safe mode". if commiting config results in a device lockout and can't reconnect - ROS can just revert the transaction. Done. Basically what safe-mode is already. Difference: not from the point you hit some safe-mode button. not to mention that I highly doubt safe-mode really works. I observed cases where it did not revert all changes. very spooky, so I don't use it.
Yes I would like to see this as well, it would be even better if the transaction is not stored in Winbox but on the device itself. That way you could come back to your "half" implementation even if you close the Winbox session, so it is more likely not a change in Winbox but rather in RouterOS. This is how it is implemented in most systems (Palo Alto, FortiGate, etc...).

Safe mode sometimes can cause even more damage than good. Not all changes are revertable (I don't know why), you can see it in System->History. Once I had somehow that I disable all firewall rules, connection was lost and Safe mode enabled back only the last rule - which is a generic deny rule...
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:22 pm

missing feature: romon configured devices i originally could connect in 2 clicks (select device then connect)

now i have to connect to a master device with romon first then go back into saved and select which device i wanted to connect to with saved creds

also every time you close a connection to a device via romon, the romon to the original master device is closed,
so you have to connect to the master device again then back into saved then to select what device you want to conect too

also it keeps reverting to the neighbours panel !
why do that when the app knows i have saved entries, so surely it should load the saved first !?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:40 pm

Thanks for the linux version, appreciate you didn't go the electron path and went native C++! Can finally maybe get rid of wine on my laptop. Didn't play with it too much yet, but so far seems ok.

Also someone's already packaged this for Arch - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/winbox-beta-bin.

Btw - since this is using Qt, got to ask if it's commercially licensed or are we going to get another surprise? :)
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:41 pm

+1 for the macOS version.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:42 pm

Dealbreaker Bug for me:
macOS 14.6.1, ARM/M1 Pro CPU (although I don't think this matters)

Device passwords with some special characters in them are not working correctly... In my case, I think it is space characters as I have multiple spaces in my passphrase.
I imported a working addresses.cdb from Winbox3, but the problem still happens even if I delete & re-type the password in V4, so I think V4 is doing something wrong/different when it is sending the password to the router. The router is recording these as "login failures" for my account.
All of our routers are using RADIUS auth for login, and this password works fine with Winbox3 (through wine, on macOS).

(sorry about the image size, MacOS 2x/hidpi screenshot...)
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:44 pm

OMG Thank you thank you thank you :) This is looking really great!

Few comments for you to consider though ;)

How I typically use winbox most of the time is to monitor my different networks, os just check in if anything is suspicious. I have sessions saved, which reopen exactly as I left them last time. (window positions, sizes, tabs, ...)

For example:
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Now while the new UI looks refreshinly modern, it uses whitespace quite generously :D especially the upstream connection window has no chances from the above example with the new ui.

Also when I closed and reopened the new version, window sizes and drawers were reset.

Another big wish would be the grouping feature for the saved items, it helped a lot especially when sorted and "grouped" by group initials.

Keep up the good work! :)
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Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:54 pm

One common observation seems to be that Winbox4 has better performance on old Macbook than on some Windows 11 systems :)
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:07 am

And "not-a-bug," but I'm another +1 to the people annoyed at the loss of Winbox3 "Group" column/field.

I use Group that to help organize my listing in Winbox better (131 items, currently, was more in the past, and will grow again).
My normal "sort" is to sort by Group and then Address, and then use the "Note" / Comment to give the name of the device, and I enable "Show Categories" to help with the grouping.

I do not like that Note is now "Comment" and follows the same rules as comments in the main Winbox window, either.
I want the device name ("Note") to be its own column in the main Address view, but I like to use the default "row header" setting for Comments within Winbox (so they show up above interface and firewall rule entries). The main "connect" screen should have the ability to treat the device Note differently from a "Comment" within the router UI itself.

Sorry for all of the redactions and big image below, but that is what my main Winbox3 screen looks like... I'd be OK with losing "Group" if we were given some other way to be able to organize connections (a proper folder tree would be fantastic).

My only other complaints are minor UI/UX things. Like lack of contrast between some elements - for example, column header divider lines are very hard to see in both light and dark mode, and this is with 4K Dell displays set to DCI-P3 color space (so, more color detail than what a lot of people use). A keyboard shortcut for zooming would be nice, because Cmd+scroll is WAY too rapid and very difficult to change "one step". For a first beta, this is very well done though! Some extra polish and tweaking can get this into a very good state and I'm super happy to have a proper cross-platform Winbox! πŸ˜„
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I like it!
 
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Just confirming the RADIUS login problems on Mac. The requests look exactly the same on the server between Winbox Mac, Winbox Windows, and web UI, but the Mac fails. So there must be a problem with the MS-CHAP encryption code in the app.

It would be nice to see more native UI used, though I suppose this may be a limitation of the tools used to build the app? Scrolling in particular is very off compared to a native Mac app; it feels very heavy, for lack of a better term.
 
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.viw2 files are again unreadable binaries.
Please change them to something human-readable like JSON or XML now that it is possible to do so without causing compatibility issues.
 
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As far as I understand - the current version does not support calling Winbox with parameter passing? For example, now it is impossible to call this version from The Dude - winbox.exe [Device.FirstAddress] [Device.UserName] [Device.Password]
I would like this ability to get to Winbox 4 from Dude as well, passing in the parameters. Unless the parameters are just different or just need to be coded into the next beta version?

Or, if possible, bake it into the Dude I guess if necessary to directly access or pass passwords through...
 
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@miken32 wrote:
Just confirming the RADIUS login problems on Mac. The requests look exactly the same on the server between Winbox Mac, Winbox Windows, and web UI, but the Mac fails. So there must be a problem with the MS-CHAP encryption code in the app.
Ah, so you're having RADIUS problems even without spaces in your password? I didn't go too far down the debug rabbit hole to figure out why it was failing, I just assumed it was something specific to my password since I have seen other vendors choke on spaces in the past (I changed the password to something else without spaces and it worked, with that other vendor.)

I agree that the scrolling feels a little odd too, and horizontal scrolling still doesn't work either... I can live with the first part, but it would be very helpful to have horizontal scroll actually work correctly!
 
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Nice developments! Sometimes a complete rebuild is necessary to be ready for the future. It needs more work, but the foundations are there and I do believe that this is the way forward.

Since there are a lot of requests for different lay-outs and color schemes, would it be possible to implement a JSON-style file to customize the entire interface? Similar to for example the modern Windows Terminal application. In here you would be able to set the preferred font, it's size and color. But also background color, scroll bar color, highlights, etc. Some prefer light mode, others dark mode, some find dark mode too dark and others light mode too bright. There is no perfect solution unless there is a customization option, and now seems to be the perfect time to implement such feature.

It could be expanded to an advanced skin editor, which would also allow you to change tab and button order to your liking. Maybe even bind new hotkeys for certain actions, for example F6 opens the firewall connections tab and F7 opens BGP sessions. If you want to put your most used tabs in the first two positions, you would be able to do it. Maybe you want to configure a fixed unit of measurement for the bytes column or leave it on auto. Heck, why not replace all checkmarks in front of accept rules for little green heart-icons. Winbox is our daily tool and just like a car or van, having the option to configure it for your workflow would be awesome. Of course these settings would be bound to the computer/laptop of the engineer, as they are personal preferences.

Yes, it is a very big and very advanced feature request, but also incredibly flexible and can cater to everybody's personal preferences. When working with UI/UX design, nothing is ever perfect.
 
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Echoing the desire to sort by various fields in the saved connections. Typically for me, I would sort by Note or Group/Note, where I would typically put the router's name as the note (and its actual IP/IP6 as the address, so I don't have to rely on DNS working)

Also, ability to "inline" the current format's comment (like inlining winbox 3's comment in various things) so I can see more stuff at once.

Otherwise, I'm liking the new look. not sure how I feel about dropdowns instead of tabs though, it's probably fine (as suggested just above, maybe if it were configurable).
 
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Great first pass folks!
Feels much slower for workflow due to a few things:
- need tabs rather than combo boxes
- needs grid lines for displaying data...hard for my old man eyes to distinguish
- I can clearly see the difference between windows in old winbox...it's quite difficult in new.
- I would love all controls(add, remove, enable, disable) all placed in a single place(preferably back on top again)

Again, I love to see you folks doing things :)
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:14 am

Anything that took one click and now takes two or more is a downgrade. The dropdowns need to go, bring back tabs.
I don't mind remove, enable, disable on the bottom. But why is "new" still on the top? Move them together.
Tables are a bit unreadable, vertical lines would be awesome, and some columns could use automatic sizing, I shouldn't have to adjust 3 columns to see IP addresses. If you know a column holds ipv4 addresses then size it to fit the longest possible one by default.

Review: Better than expected (I expected a "designed by Apple user" shit show), but still a downgrade, at least for now. Oh, and thanks for native Linux. Finally
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:11 am

My main complaints so far are:

* Lack of tabs makes it cumbersome to navigate
* Contrast in both light and dark mode needs tweaking, it's too hard to see which is the active window or where window boundaries are
* The lack of grid lines, particularly vertical ones makes it difficult to visually correlate information
* It's more similar to WebFig than WinBox in a lot of ways, which IMHO is not a good thing. Too much info on each pane due to the lack of tabs, missing status/graph pane/tab

But for a first release it is pretty impressive
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:38 am

Y'all did an amazing job on this. Well done MikroTik.

Would love to see an IS-IS menu under routing in the next release :)
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:52 am

Wow, thank you!

Finally no more issues with wine version my Mac :)

Great work!
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 4:06 am

Not working on windows 7 (still on all my windows machines).
Not working on macOS 10.13.6 (latest that can run on my 2011 macbook pro).
BTW, the last macbook with wired ethernet (2012) probably has too old macOS as well.
Please consider supporting older OS versions, unless there is something fundamental that makes it impossible.
Hopefully at least the Linux version will be usable on older hardware.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 4:30 am

Other have said it - but thought I would add my voice. Please bring back Groups as a column on the logon screen.
I thought maybe "Workspace" would be the replacement for groups, so you could group devices into different workspace, but I can't actually figure out what "Workspace" does at all !

Also "Open in New Window" option. I did not use this a lot but was occasionally handy.

Looking forward to seeing how this progresses. For a beta1 release it's great.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 4:48 am

Could someone please make a Wine wrapped version under Windows of the old WinBox with a repaint in dark colors, that would be enough. Ready to throw money at the monitor. The new version looks bad, especially its resource intensive, they could have written it in Qt/Electron/Rust or better UWP, but instead c++ in 2024... Either open the sources of the old branch. At the very least they could have just ported the existing version from android to PC. With this approach, it would already be a MacBox. A good example is how NanaZip was made, they took the same 7-zip and pumped it full of "steroids", also Unigram with WhatsApp. Well and I would like to see support for multitouch, from a tablet to work in WinBox as a straight AnyDesk pain. And I understand that modern computers are quite fast, but 50 megabytes for a router management program is overkill. There are different situations where it is necessary to run it. Please heed my feedback. We need to do well, not just by changing the look.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:13 am

Why all modern software is so obsessed with paddings and generally wasting space? And round corners wit giant radius? Just why????
You got rid of field's borders, why? What's the reason? Aesthetics? Well, it's ugly. Low contrast adds to overall unfriendliness.
And its slow and laggy. Doubt it'll improve, i suspect under hood there is some gigantic framework, like in all modern apps. Sure it cut costs to develop and port to another platforms.
I'd like to be wrong.

I very much doubt it will ever be the same in terms of comfort of use as old winbox. This is unfortunately trend in UI, every new version degrades.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:26 am

that is something new in winbox 4 (see the picture)

The new one looks like.
As the workspace does the same as the older winox, as i can see the sessions??

the features that are missing:
close all the windows
Safe Mode
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Kia ora from Aotearoa New Zealand

Can anyone describe experience in using WinBox 4 for Linux over X Windows please?
I downloaded and extracted the files for Linux onto my headless Ubuntu server. Running the code generates an X Windows black square on my client machine. I get the following text on the server CLI:
cosste@home:~/winbox$ ./WinBox
APP,INFO: version: "4.0beta1"
PERS,ERR: reading magic1
PERS,ERR: reading magic1
PERS,ERR: reading magic1
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 192.168.80.255,
APP,UPDATE: version fetched: "4.0beta1"
APP,UPDATE: nothing to update
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 192.168.80.255,
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 192.168.80.255,
Can anyone suggest where I have gone wrong, or is X Windows not yet supported?

Steve
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:56 am

Use Comment field the same way you used Groups before.
Actions menu will have more actions.
How large is your large routing table?
Windows close with CMD+W now, it's in the first post.
Comment field describes the devices when connecting by IP, otherwise I'd really have no idea which device I'm connecting to.
Why remove groups? Doesn't make sense.
 
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Kia ora from Aotearoa New Zealand

Can anyone describe experience in using WinBox 4 for Linux over X Windows please?
I downloaded and extracted the files for Linux onto my headless Ubuntu server. Running the code generates an X Windows black square on my client machine. I get the following text on the server CLI:
cosste@home:~/winbox$ ./WinBox
APP,INFO: version: "4.0beta1"
PERS,ERR: reading magic1
PERS,ERR: reading magic1
PERS,ERR: reading magic1
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 192.168.80.255,
APP,UPDATE: version fetched: "4.0beta1"
APP,UPDATE: nothing to update
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 192.168.80.255,
DISCOVERY,INFO: bcast addrs: 255.255.255.255, ff02::1, 192.168.80.255,
Can anyone suggest where I have gone wrong, or is X Windows not yet supported?

Steve
As far as I can tell you need at lease basic graphics acceleration. Does your server have any graphics processor?
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:01 am

I have around 30 connections saved and it is now not so easy to navigate in the list. I've used groups before, there was 5 groups in the list and I was able to quickly find the saved connection I need. It would be nice if there would be an option to bring back the tabs. 1 click is better than 2.
Other than that it is good. I like the ability to show the tabs in a new windows and a dark theme.
 
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@bunkerfox
you complaining they used c++ instead of Electron....just to say a few sentences later, that 50mb is ridiculously huge binary.

Sry mate, but this disqualified all of your feedback at a whole.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:22 am

Awesome Job on Winbox 4!!!

I do have some requests...

1. Please include the option to choose from IPv4 or IPv6 addresses like in Winbox 3? This option is a great thing. It's hard to navigate through a long list without it.
2. Please provide us an option to increase the font size without zooming into the interface. It is much appreciated.

Have a great one.

Cheers!

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Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:23 am

so terrible
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:25 am

Ctrl+Z

Please.... why change something that works well.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:49 am

Not working on windows 7 (still on all my windows machines).
Not working on macOS 10.13.6 (latest that can run on my 2011 macbook pro).
BTW, the last macbook with wired ethernet (2012) probably has too old macOS as well.
Please consider supporting older OS versions, unless there is something fundamental that makes it impossible.
Hopefully at least the Linux version will be usable on older hardware.
At least it is work to support this old stuff. I guess the work is in your side to keep things up to date.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:53 am

ZPrime, it looks like there is an issue with all RADIUS based logins, regardless of password spaces. We have reproduced the issue
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:54 am

It would be really great if Mikrotik team can work on Dude also
 
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It would be really great if Mikrotik team can work on Dude also
+1
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:56 am

Not working on windows 7 (still on all my windows machines).
Win 7 mainstream support dropped almost 10years ago. Noone in their right mind will deliberately compile their software with old libraries (potentially buggy and most likely breaking experience for newer OS users).
If you are not willing to update OS, winbox 3 is not going to disappear at least not in the near future.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:00 am

How will the update process be? Will there be an option like the old version, where you can download the new executable?
There already exists self update, it will see that a new version exists, and offer to upgrade
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:07 am

Nice, modern looks to it - but the possibility to "Group" Entries on the Login Screen is missing.
Was using that extensively on V3.
Didnt quite understand Workspaces feature neither as it doesn't seem to filter entries?
Lastly, "Comments" need to go inline with the entries, its very hard to find the correct Entry if I have to click through each entry to see a comment.
We have hundrets of Entries, the Logjn Screen is for me some sort of managed Phonebook where we can find Grouped Clients, Comments and can filter and sort.
I hope this will all be added (back)?
 
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It would be really great if Mikrotik team can work on Dude also

I fully agree
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:11 am

Nice, modern looks to it - but the possibility to "Group" Entries on the Login Screen is missing.
Was using that extensively on V3.
Didnt quite understand Workspaces feature neither as it doesn't seem to filter entries?
Lastly, "Comments" need to go inline with the entries, its very hard to find the correct Entry if I have to click through each entry to see a comment.
We have hundrets of Entries, the Logjn Screen is for me some sort of managed Phonebook where we can find Grouped Clients, Comments and can filter and sort.
I hope this will all be added (back)?
- Groups are missing for now, until they return, you can use Comment (previously called Note) field to sort similar items
- Workspaces allow you to save favorite sets of windows, and then switch between them. Like a view with only Log and Terminal.
- Click on Comments header to change how it looks
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:25 am

Dark mode - well done :D ...runs perfectly fine with x86 emulation on Windows 11 ARM too

* needs a disconnect confirmation option
* experienced a crash when adding a workspace in dark mode on macOS 14.6.1 (MBP M2) - this is repeatable. Click OK after adding new workspace and it crashes.
* forgets last connection used and defaults to none
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:55 am

If there is a lot of routes then the route list stays blank, even if you apply a filter
 
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@bunkerfox
you complaining they used c++ instead of Electron....just to say a few sentences later, that 50mb is ridiculously huge binary.

Sry mate, but this disqualified all of your feedback at a whole.
100% Agree

Electron is for people that should stick to their day job as web developers, rather than trying to shoe horn Javascript into desktop app development.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:14 am

Electron is for people that should stick to their day job as web developers, rather than trying to shoe horn Javascript into desktop app development.
Currently it feels like it is indeed electron :) slow and laggy. And screenspace-wasting.
 
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Which OS is it laggy on? We would like to gather any bug reports and fix them, so please report more specifics, include hardware specs too.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:36 am

Applause !!!
any way to import saved connections into winbox4 on Mac ?
Read the whole message from Normis, the info is there
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:39 am

- Exit button is on top right corner, looks like chain link.
Hi,

it is not Exit button, it is the disconnect button (winbox is not closed). I know this is only my problem, but for i3wm it was convenient (Winbox is a mouse-oriented app in combination with i3wm no title bar was Exit button nice feature). Please consider a return of the TAB-style interface. A lot of actions require double-click action instead of one-click action in winbox3. It's IMHO a UI degradation.

PS. Thanks for your work
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:42 am

petrb, I don't understand your problem or point you want to make. I use i3wm too and I see not a single difference between Winbox 3.x and 4.x in regards of closing it.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:43 am

Hi! Thanks MT, having a native app for Linux is great news and it looks really good.

f I could have three wishes, those would be:
Add filter fields to all listing headers, so that we could filter in any row
Add the possibility to copy the list or a part of the list as text into a buffer
Finally the killer feature: add a way to paste config items as text directly into the lists

Those things would greatly improve usability and were missing in the old WinBox as well.

Bonus capability: some sort of regex for filters :)
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:47 am

At first glance, a rather unusual layout. I always ask myself, especially with Windows, why some programmers make things so difficult for themselves and go so far away from the standard design. Microsoft itself has a standard layout for Windows applications, which even adapts to the new overall Windows layout in some parts when the operating system is upgraded.

I find the drop-down box, instead of the tabs, to display the submenus of the individual main functions very irritating. I also like to work with the Mikrotik web interface, and there too, the main functions are arranged on the left and tabs are arranged at the top right for the subfunctions. I would be very much in favor of continuing this "web design" in a new Winbox, so that it has a certain level of recognition and thus a standardized way of working. It's perfectly fine that this can/will look slightly different on Mac, Linux and Windows depending on the OS layouts of the operating systems. But I would then know immediately where I had to click in the Winbox if I had used it in the web interface and vice versa.

A few more small things in the beta status:
the column width of the individual columns should automatically be set to the appropriate width.
The selection of columns will certainly come later
Umlauts like Àâü are not displayed correctly for me - there seems to be a UTF-8 problem with the special character display - but this is not unusual in the beta status.

otherwise exciting, a new Winbox. I'm looking forward to the final result - good work
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:49 am

Which OS is it laggy on? We would like to gather any bug reports and fix them, so please report more specifics, include hardware specs too.

Yes, it's laggy. I can observe it just by dragging the windows around. As you can see from the attached video below, the window had a hard time following the mouse pointer. The window's title bar should be under the mouse pointer, but failed to do so. The delay is noticeable (a few tenths of seconds).

https://imgur.com/ulJLen8

I am running Windows 11 with a Ryzen 3700x, 64GB RAM, Nvidia GTX 1650 Super.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:51 am

Mikrotik, please improve or add accessibility before releasing first stable version. 4.x is not use-able via keyboard, it has not a single keyboard hotkey (besides the single one mentioned in the starting post -> CMD+W); TAB navigation impossible, focus outlines, etc. missing. Check contrasts to comply at least WCAG AA. Remove useless unused spacings and use proper borders instead. Professionals want to see as much info on their screen as they can get. No need for wasting precious screen-space. Borders, contrasts and colors (!) so one trained eye can easily scan the output. It is all about "scanning". I guess your developers will undestand. A programmer - when debugging - is most of the time scanning source-code; only starts reading once found the "spot" by scanning before.
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:53 am

1) I like the option to "pin out" the tab from the popup list to have multiple tabs in separated windows. It could be interesting to have a combination of tabs + pin out.

2) The row height could be more compact, as in Winbox 3.

3) During moving the mouse over the lines, the line could be highlighted. Maybe also column highlight could be interesting from visual point of view. Both options could be confirugable on/off.

4) I like no-inline comments, but both options should be kept.

5) Column auto size should be enables by default, or via double click on the column right border.

6) CTRL + Shift + W, it's working, let's see if I rememver the shortcut in my hands.

7) Interface list, VLANs should be in hierarchy as in Winbox 3 (VLAN under bridge will be moved some pixels to right in compare to bridge item).

8) Quick filter in column name, maybe something similar like in MS Excel could be interesting.

9) Safe mode, undo, redo - please add them back

So far so nice experience.
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:59 am

Looks like there is a "lagging window" bug in Windows version if 60Hz refresh rate is used in the PC, we will fix it in upcoming versions.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:59 am

Infabo, I already posted above, that all shortcuts are removed, and we are working on a new shortcut system, which will come in time.
 
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Re: 📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:07 am

The UI update is a welcomed update. Yet, I am not convinced by the current iteration. We went from the "ugly" but very functional style and clear to read to the "pretty" but less functional & "harder to find what you need "style. Functionality and ease of use does take priority to it being pretty for me.

Try to add a new firewall rule or look at the interface list for example. What am I even looking at? Just a blob of text with almost no coherence. No indentation no grouping. The gray on gray doesn't have much contrast. The tabs are gone and now you need to scroll twice as much for everything. The graphs are horrific to look at. The more I look at the UI in Winbox 4 the worse it get. Yet I still hope this will improve since it's a beta.

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