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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:24 am

I am currently bringing up some GPON clients at this time.

I am normally using 8-way-splitters but I also have many 16-way-splitters.

From what I think I know;

- the head-end (Adtran TA-5000) is using a 10-Gig SFP+ laser module out to the PONs. Per PON, we have a little over 2 gig down (about 2.2 or 2.5 gig total per PON) and we have about 1.2 gig per PON from customer pool back to the Adtran. (note - I have the equipment installed to handle about 400 unique PONS. With 8 or 16 customers per PON, I currently could handle about 6 thousand customers. You can't do that using Microwave !!! )

- Per PON (a pool of customers), I can have two customers downloading at 1 gig sustained and a 3rd customer downloading at 200 meg -or- 500 meg (I don't remember the download speed). Or I can have 16 customers in a PON all downloading at 100 meg and I still have all kinds of available download bandwidth available for IP-SIP phones and other devices (IP-TV). (A client / customer fiber interface is a max of 1-gig (SFP) in the electronics at their homes).

I am working on bringing up about 1000 GPON customers before 2016 and during 2016 another couple thousand+ GPON customers.

I am very interested using Mikrotiks in a GPON network. I would also be big-time interested if Mikrotik updated the firmware to support generic GPON SFP lasers - without having to use an SFP that has the GPON electronics directly built inside the SFP module. And, if Mikrotik did this and has on-board or mini-PCI support for SIP (Vo-IP) then I would consider ordering thousands of Mikrotiks for my GPON network.

If I had any of the special SFP modules with the GPON electronics/firmware built into the SFP module, then I would bench test them.
 
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Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:42 pm

The GPON module specs have just been revealed. Check out Newsletter 68 just posted by Normis viewtopic.php?f=21&t=101952&p=506377. The module isn't listed yet on routerboard.com though its specs are available here (link from the newsletter).
By 2016 total internet traffic will be 3x 2011
 
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Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:14 pm

now possible:
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:53 am

now possible:
http://mt.lv/gpon
Un-fu**ing-believable!!!
Mikrotik, now this is something!
Upon availability, can someone, please, test it with MGTS/GPON in Moscow?!
Mikrotik dealers in Moscow and MO: Lanmart, WMD, Nanaiki, Routerz, please???
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:47 am

note: despite 1-2-10Gbps speeds achievable "per medium" by latest GPON/EPON installations, they tend to be splitted between Many customers. usually that range from 1/8 to 1/64 of medium speed(1/16 to 1/32 are most usual).
and since relevant SIG "considering" making two-way encryption mandatory for PON networks, its not become usable for anything serious until it happen. and overhead of deployment and mangement - make its "advantages"(if there any for) look bleak against conventional "active" optic and performance/prices.
as for russian ISP experience for deployment, perhaps rostelekon had bigger installation of gpon/epon across country, than mgts/mts are. but experience is same in both cases, as had at&t comcast, google, etc. ie "not good".
look bleak against conventional "active" optic and performance/prices

I think GPON looks superior in many ways.

Negative points about Active-Ethernet; Example - 47 thousand Active-Ethernet customers would require 47 thousand single-strand fibers (or 94 thousand two-strand fibers) from all customers back to your central office. Or you could use many remote located field electrical powered fiber switches. Also you would need 47 thousand ports on your head-end equipment. Also, if you are short just one fiber strand when connecting up a new customer, then you have to pay a contractor to re-plow additional fiber lines. Adding a new Active-Ethernet customer requires splicing new strands of fiber all the way back to your central office and the expense of a new port at your central office.

Positive points about GPON; 47 thousand customers could all be combined to a few hundred strand of fiber. There are no remote field powered switches (you use passive optical splitters). Instead of 47 thousand ports at your central office for all customers, you only need a few hundred ports. When you need add any new customers to existing fiber, you just install a tap or a splitter. No construction crew is needed. The only construction is from the house to the fiber along the street. Adding a new customer only requires house to street fiber connections.

despite 1-2-10Gbps speeds achievable
That is with GPON. However 10-gig GPON is almost easily available. Also, you can use CWDM and run many different color networks at the same time through your passive GPON system.

Conclusion: For 47 thousand customers, a GPON network build could easily save 100+ million dollars.

I am NOT stating GPON is better, I am however stating GPON costs less to build and when designed correctly it easily provide 100 to 250 download speeds to all customers at the same time. (100 meg to all customers at the same time would use 16-way splitters with nearly a gig of bandwidth to spare per GPON network).

edit - Also, many GPON ONT units are available with the lasers included and UPS battery backup systems for less than a few hundred dollars. The ONTs I am using can bridge or NAT and they all understand and can report a UPS condition - and they all have built-in SIP devices. I have tested individual customers up to 1-gig up and down using internet speed tests. So on a 16-way PON, it is possible to have every customer downloading at 100 meg with one customer downloading at nearly 1-gig - all at the same time. So the performance is there.
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:00 pm

I am NOT stating GPON is better, I am however stating GPON costs less to build and when designed correctly it easily provide 100 to 250 download speeds to all customers at the same time.
im afraid you misinformed/misleaded/fooled by someome, because you Wrong here.
its actually cost same money (or more in long-term)as active optics to deploy, do not scale well, had poor speeds(even compared to copper), had poor security(note shared medium usage and one-way weak chiper in only one direction, 8x less usual to countain anything sensitive).
so both economically and technically its totally(several times, actually, hungreds compared to some solutions) inferior to ALL alternatives.
GPON/EPON actually had only TWO benefits:
1. very convinient/simple, low-overhead bulk wiretaping/collection aswel as "on site" snooping from segement intel stations(note that most ISP deploying it had special "cabinets x" marked in most establishments for govt gear and personell)
2. it had slightly less financial overhead to recovery from Nuke or EMP attack (less spend at gear(ONT/OLT budget) at expense of manpower expenses/work)
so bottom line:
no, there is Nothing good in it both for ISP and Customers.
only Feds lobbied it and do it really Hard, especially in NA and Japan. both directly and thru affilated companies they own indirectly.
so even if you switch from something that you feel "inferior" i suggest you consider other options.
(like ancient DSL, DOCSIS and dial-up)
even gFast (phase 2, phase 3 especially) DSL or 10Gb (and currently developed 25Gb version(mislabeled as "40Gb" for simlicity)) copper ethernet - WILL be better
and if you really start considering deploying fiber - do "NORMAL", Real optic, not EPON/GPON (cenzored).
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:52 am

re: ... had poor speeds(even compared to copper) ...
I did not know that copper out in the field (last mile) could handle two customers (on the same network) where both customers are downloading at 999 meg at the same time - and - be 40KM from the central office -and- still have some additional bandwidth for other customers on the same copper network also.

re: ... Nuke or EMP attack ...
Fiber is pretty much imune to EMP and RF noise from any and all frequency bands. The electronic equipment at both ends of the fiber is very subject to noise and EMP. Copper lines (DSL or cable) is also very much subject to noise. Active Ethernet repeaters in the field also do not fair well to noise & EMP & extended power outages. (Here in North Idaho - I've been through power outages up to two weeks straight.

re: ... so even if you switch from something that you feel "inferior" i suggest you consider other options... (like ancient DSL, DOCSIS and dial-up) ...
Are you saying DSL and DOCSIS cable modems and dial-up are better than GPON ?

re: ... even gFast (phase 2, phase 3 especially) DSL or 10Gb (and currently developed 25Gb version(mislabeled as "40Gb" for simlicity)) copper ethernet - WILL be better ...
And just how far can the DSL copper lines reach when we are talking about "DSL or 10Gb (and currently developed 25Gb version(mislabeled as "40Gb" for simlicity"
You aint going to reach out 40 km using copper. You would will need to have very close-by DSLAMs located in every neighborhood.
Also - even 40 meg (meg or did you state gig ?) is old school and slowwww these days. Many of our GPON customers are running 100 meg and we are getting ready to kick them up to 250 meg. I don't know of any form of DSL or cable modem that can do those speeds.

We did very much consider Active-Fiber - however for where we are at in rural North Idaho, it would of cost many many many millions of dollars more than GPON. Here we have driveways longer than high-end DSL or cable modems can even reach!
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:59 am

re: ... had poor speeds(even compared to copper) ...
I did not know that copper out in the field (last mile) could handle two customers (on the same network) where both customers are downloading at 999 meg at the same time - and - be 40KM from the central office -and- still have some additional bandwidth for other customers on the same copper network also.

re: ... Nuke or EMP attack ...
Fiber is pretty much imune to EMP and RF noise from any and all frequency bands. The electronic equipment at both ends of the fiber is very subject to noise and EMP. Copper lines (DSL or cable) is also very much subject to noise. Active Ethernet repeaters in the field also do not fair well to noise & EMP & extended power outages. (Here in North Idaho - I've been through power outages up to two weeks straight.

re: ... so even if you switch from something that you feel "inferior" i suggest you consider other options... (like ancient DSL, DOCSIS and dial-up) ...
Are you saying DSL and DOCSIS cable modems and dial-up are better than GPON ?

re: ... even gFast (phase 2, phase 3 especially) DSL or 10Gb (and currently developed 25Gb version(mislabeled as "40Gb" for simlicity)) copper ethernet - WILL be better ...
And just how far can the DSL copper lines reach when we are talking about "DSL or 10Gb (and currently developed 25Gb version(mislabeled as "40Gb" for simlicity"
You aint going to reach out 40 km using copper. You would will need to have very close-by DSLAMs located in every neighborhood.
Also - even 40 meg (meg or did you state gig ?) is old school and slowwww these days. Many of our GPON customers are running 100 meg and we are getting ready to kick them up to 250 meg. I don't know of any form of DSL or cable modem that can do those speeds.

We did very much consider Active-Fiber - however for where we are at in rural North Idaho, it would of cost many many many millions of dollars more than GPON. Here we have driveways longer than high-end DSL or cable modems can even reach!
since we're talking to endpoints, last 100m(but more usually 20-50m or even 10m, sometimes ;) usually covered by 1G or 10G copper Ethernet links for practical reasons, especially in multi-story environments.
after loooong, fiber links, sometimes, yes. but unusually That long, outside rural areas.
as for DOCSIS and xDSL comparison - speed-wise they faster in DOCSIS 3.x and gFast cases.
(but DOCSIS is inferior tech in many sense. only advantage - easy do deploy over legacy cables. unless you need high-speeds)
same about 10Gb and 25Gb ethernet copper links(25G unreleased, yet, sadly).
as for power outages - no tech had advantages against and each - vulnerable for cuz ALL of them - depend on plenty of active stuff, including PON networks.
copper lines are more prone to weather, biological damage or simply corrosion, but properly deployed appropriately chosen cooper medium - simply had SHORT timeline basically from physical and chemical limitations and aren't mechanically strong enough for longer lifespan(exact specs you can check for particular cable)
nobody cover more than 1-5km with pure copper anyway, its used for "last meters" even for fiber in most cases
as for "last meters" speed comparison gFast had speeds up to 1Gb over copper(depend range and cable type/conditions), for example. bottom line: if you "don't know" about something, its not exist magically just because that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.fast
DOCSIS 3.1 AFAIK had 10Gb/1Gb speeds limit, yet, but they working to boost it further too(not only by spectrum, but different modulation and coding are expected to b used, optionally)
i mention nukes simply because corrupt lobbysts tend to promote this as "feature" of PON sometimes, seriously, aiming public and officials ignorance, perhaps, which isn't funny, because other networks use same fiber and similarly-vulnerable active gear in field.
how can PON be cheaper than active fiber in you area ? simply because PON networks was sponsored/subsided and others was not ? my guess its clearly thats why its done. to lock-down market, making cheaper entry-point and quite expensive(as for PON are)cost of owenership, locked-down market, gear, speeds, etc. copper itself - had comparble cost of deployment(and in PON case - usually slightly more) and since it had potentially lower life - hardly menaingful investment.
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:36 pm

I still don't get it...is for server or client side?
I believe is for server side, installed in a mikrotik router, will become a Gigabit EPON Optical Line Terminal.
If is for client side, is useless. One EPON ONU ( terminal GEPON / client) is 50$.
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:13 pm

If is for client side, is useless. One EPON ONU ( terminal GEPON / client) is 50$.
I disagree completely. For me, Client Side would allow me to remove a HUGE Verizon ONT from my office networks.
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:50 pm

I still don't get it...is for server or client side?
I believe is for server side, installed in a mikrotik router, will become a Gigabit EPON Optical Line Terminal.
If is for client side, is useless. One EPON ONU ( terminal GEPON / client) is 50$.
If you read Mikrotik release docu, it clearly states, that this is "Gigabit Passive Optical Network (GPON) ONU for P2MP application". So it is for client side. And it is very usefull, cause allows growing army of GPON-linked internet users around the world to use Mikrotik routers at home without any additional crappy equipment from their ISPs. At least in case, when they use GPON for internet and TV only. Connecting phone terminal can still be a quest. But who use home phones now?!
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:11 am

I still don't get it...is for server or client side?
I believe is for server side, installed in a mikrotik router, will become a Gigabit EPON Optical Line Terminal.
If is for client side, is useless. One EPON ONU ( terminal GEPON / client) is 50$.
If you read Mikrotik release docu, it clearly states, that this is "Gigabit Passive Optical Network (GPON) ONU for P2MP application". So it is for client side. And it is very usefull, cause allows growing army of GPON-linked internet users around the world to use Mikrotik routers at home without any additional crappy equipment from their ISPs. At least in case, when they use GPON for internet and TV only. Connecting phone terminal can still be a quest. But who use home phones now?!
For phone (SIP), you have some not-so-nice options
- connect a smart IP SIP phone device on the customer LAN network (vlans or 2nd Ethernet could possibly also be used)
- connect an ATA (IP device for SIP to RJ-11 telephone jacks), with an ATA then customers could use normal every-day existing telephones (vlans or 2nd Ethernet could possibly also be used)

The not-so-nice part is the Mikrotik itself does not know anything about SIP, it will however pass the IP traffic to a SIP or ATA device.

Note - Don't forget ... Now you need a battery-backup-UPS for the Mikrotik and the external SIP-ATA device and possibly an external switch also. This is where off-the-shelf GPON devices work well - the battery-backup device keeps the GPON device running and the SIP electronics on the GPON motherboard running when the power goes out.

It would be super-great at this time if Mikrotik came out with a mini-PCI & mini-PCIe SIP card which the Mikrotik understood - then you are down to just keeping the Mikrotik alive when the power goes out.
 
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Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:21 am

I still don't get it...is for server or client side?
I believe is for server side, installed in a mikrotik router, will become a Gigabit EPON Optical Line Terminal.
If is for client side, is useless. One EPON ONU ( terminal GEPON / client) is 50$.
If you read Mikrotik release docu, it clearly states, that this is "Gigabit Passive Optical Network (GPON) ONU for P2MP application". So it is for client side. And it is very usefull, cause allows growing army of GPON-linked internet users around the world to use Mikrotik routers at home without any additional crappy equipment from their ISPs. At least in case, when they use GPON for internet and TV only. Connecting phone terminal can still be a quest. But who use home phones now?!
The only advantage is when you don't want to use ISP box and want mikrotik. But in gpon networks is distribuited catv and phones. So no mikrotik for a lot of us.
You are an as**ole for rating my post negative, I'm right from my point of view.
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:41 am

One note - As a client who would want to use the Mikrotik GPON device in their Mikrotik - it likely will not work. The upstream ISP would need to reconfigure their head-end equipment to talk to the new GPON serial-number of the Mikrotik GPON module.

If you are the ISP, then this should be a quick & easy change.

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So this is another "good news everyone".
https://youtu.be/g8IVI0sZ6F8
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:29 pm

You are an as**ole for rating my post negative, I'm right from my point of view.
Now you just ensured us that I was right. :lol:
 
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For Microtick

If i buy a MT GPON stick and put this in our CCR router, and put another MT GPON stick in a MT FTC11 media converter will this work?

I purchased some Finasar GPON sticks back in Jan 15 but could not get them to link using a CCR to FTC11

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@adrcomms

No, it wont work in that kind of setups. The module is designed to be used in GPON networks as ONT unit.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:28 pm

Can you suggest the best way to setup a GPON network with MT at the headend

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@adrcomms

At the moment that is not possible, as we do not have hardware that can be used as OLT.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:03 pm

Can you suggest the best way to setup a GPON network with MT at the headend

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The Mikrotik GPON SFP module is not designed nor has the ability to terminate the GPON ONT pool of devices as a head-end unit.

The Mikrotik GPON SFP module transmit and receive light frequencies in the clients are reversed with the head-end terminating device. Aka - the client ONT devices listen on the light frequency the head-end transmits on -and- the client ONT devices transmit on the light frequency that the head-end listens on.

The best you can do if you want a Mikrotik on the head-end is to use something designed as a head-end device functioning as a layer-2 device (like a switch), then at the head-end pass the layer-2 traffic to a layer-3 Mikrotik functioning as a router/NAT/DHCP-server.

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:13 pm

Thanks Tom

So if we run a CCR as my PPPOE server and run a CCS as we do now, but with a MT GPON SPF stick in the CCS at our data centre (headend) then at the clients can we use the FTC11 to convert from MT spf GPON to ethernet 1Gb, the client uses a DSL router as there local CPE, or install a RB2011 with SPF?


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Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:44 pm

Thanks Tom

So if we run a CCR as my PPPOE server and run a CCS as we do now, but with a MT GPON SPF stick in the CCS at our data centre (headend) then at the clients can we use the FTC11 to convert from MT spf GPON to ethernet 1Gb, the client uses a DSL router as there local CPE, or install a RB2011 with SPF?


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I do not know what a CCS is.
The Mikrotik GPON module will only work on remote clients and never at the head-end.

On my GPON networks, I use some Adtran TA 5000 units as the head-end fiber termination units. If I used the Mikrotik GPON module, it would be at remote customer locations behind the GPON splitters.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:54 pm

Ok so the MT GPON sfp its si only for client CPE side.

The Finisar GPON unit i tried i could not get to work but i assumed this was due to the MT switches not driving the sfp unit, as you can only use MT sfp in MT devices. But i was told the MT FCT11 accepted any type of sfp, i tried the Finisar GPON units back to back and they would not talk, i assume this may be the same reason you have pointed out.

Watch the you tube video on the Finisar GPON device, from what i see it says it works back to back just like any sfp, but i could not get them to work, so put them in the desk for looking at another day, maybe i will buy two sfp switches that are not MT to test with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ELISum9mSI

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Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:31 pm

Ok so the MT GPON sfp its si only for client CPE side.

The Finisar GPON unit i tried i could not get to work but i assumed this was due to the MT switches not driving the sfp unit, as you can only use MT sfp in MT devices. But i was told the MT FCT11 accepted any type of sfp, i tried the Finisar GPON units back to back and they would not talk, i assume this may be the same reason you have pointed out.

Watch the you tube video on the Finisar GPON device, from what i see it says it works back to back just like any sfp, but i could not get them to work, so put them in the desk for looking at another day, maybe i will buy two sfp switches that are not MT to test with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ELISum9mSI

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In the video - look at the background image.
It shows three SFP GPON modules, where all three modules are connected to an optical splitter.
At the optical splitter, (normally 1 in and 8 out, or 1 in and 16 out, or 1 in and 32 out) -- the single fiber strand
is connected to the head-end (OLT). The OLT does not use the same fiber electronics - it uses a different type of SFP module.

NOTE: Important - you must use a splitter. If you do not use a splitter, the light signals are way to strong - unless you are doing a single 30+ mile link.
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:22 pm

Can we use a mikrotik with GPON Stick just as a switch? If no, Is it the only replacement for other ONUs available at market? If yes, will the clients connected on the same mikrotik have individual internet accounts from ISP?

I would like to test a scenario as:

OLT-------Spliter-------Mikrotik with GPON Stick (as a switch)---------clients
---------clients (Clients having different internet accounts)


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Hi I recently purchased gpon sfp ONU HUAWEI hpsp2120, in the router hap ace he shows strange parameters of temperature, the ISP link is not established, how it can be made to work?
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:55 am

Hi I recently purchased gpon sfp ONU HUAWEI hpsp2120, in the router hap ace he shows strange parameters of temperature, the ISP link is not established, how it can be made to work?
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xxlsuper - I have a question for you re your picture attachment of a GPON SFP inserted into a Mikrotik.
Do you see this GPON SFP visual information prior to any configurations?
I am trying to make a Mikrotik SFP GPON module work in my Mikrotik - and my winbox screen does not show any similar information - it is just blank.

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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:58 pm

Hello.
You can read my posts.
Also you can kick "peper" in the nuts.
I was not reading this thread for more than a year, but you are still boiling. This is something...
Still, while pity for you and your problems, but this thread was about GPON in Mtk and not you.
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:48 am

Well - today I finally got a Mikrotik (( 2011UiAS-2HnD )) with a Mikrotik GPON SFP talking to my Adtran TA-5000 head end.

You can pretty much forget about using google for help on this topic (Mikrotik GPON to Adtran) --- I found nothing after a month of searching.

What you need to do is configure the head-end for your GPON network to treat the Mikrotik GPON SFP module like a regular GPON bridge device (NOT a residential gateway).

The Mikrotik SFP interface does NOT need a vlan - - Treat the Mikrotik SFP interface with the GPON module inserted just like a regular Ethernet connection.

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I still have a lot of work to try and test. I want to get it to pass vlans - and possibly get a SubH (out-of-band-management) working on my Mikrotik.

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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:22 pm

Hi all, anyone can explain to me why in the box with Linux (ROS) need to push yet another gizmo (SFP-GPON) with Linux on board (Marvell), to make gpon working on mikrotik router ??? Why should the development team sawing another firmware for spf-gpon instead to implement for example a software module for the ROS to support the required functionality gpon, omci on cheap only laser-driver sfp module for gpon?
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:32 pm

xxlsuper - I have a question for you re your picture attachment of a GPON SFP inserted into a Mikrotik.
Do you see this GPON SFP visual information prior to any configurations?
I am trying to make a Mikrotik SFP GPON module work in my Mikrotik - and my winbox screen does not show any similar information - it is just blank.
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Sorry for the long answer, I have not visited on this forum, on your question - yes, This information is visible prior to any configuration
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:20 pm

I tried to use SFP ONT based on Lantiq platform.
https://www.lantiq.com/gpon
As far as I know, SFP ONT Finisar recommended earlier uses the same platform.

I tried to use this SFP in the simplest media converter tp-link mc220l. Perfectly works with Huawei OLT in internet provider. As far as I know, this module was also tested and works with ZTE OLT.

I tried to use this SFP in the Mikrotik CCR1009, CRS125 and RB2011:
CCR1009 - flapping link between Mikrotik and SFP once a second in SFP and SFP+ ports.
CRS125 - reboot Mikrotik
RB2011 - usually flapping link between Mikrotik and SFP once a second, sometimes connection completely disappears, sometimes connection becomes stable, connection with OLT is established and the Internet a traffic starts going (usually no more than for one-two hours then connection with a Microtik disappears completely). Works very unstably. It wasn't succeeded to understand the reason of such various instability.

Working capacity in the simplest media converter and a variety of problems in different Microtiks surprises. I hope that this problem has the decision from a Microtik support.
I have a GPON huawei HG8245H, if a use a media converter would I be able to establish a connection between the GPON and a simple ethernet mikrotik router configured as a PPPoE server?
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:37 pm

I have a GPON huawei HG8245H, if a use a media converter (mc111cs) would I be able to establish a connection between the GPON and a simple ethernet (rj45) mikrotik router configured as a PPPoE server?
 
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Re: GPON networks with Mikrotik/Routerboard SFP ports

Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:04 am

yes is working, my setup for Ireland "siro" fibre. Is mikrotik haP AC and echolife HG8010H GPON. Vlan 10 and PPPoE client.

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