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Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:56 pm

We are releasing a test version of an exciting new feature - Cloud Hosted Router (CHR).

It is a Virtual Machine image of RouterOS that has full functionality of RouterOS without any kind of conventional RouterOS license, with the limitation of 1Mbit per interface, in future, we will offer unlimited speed with a paid subscription. This allows you to use RouterOS in training classes, for testing, for experimentation or any other purpose, without the need for 24h trial or Demo license.

We provide a generic (RAW) format IMG, VMDK file for VMWare, VDI for VirtualBox and VHDX for Hyper-V. These are ready to use virtual disk images (add as a virtual hard drive to your VM). These are NOT templates for importing.

qemu commands for converting images (if you need to convert to another format)

RAW to VMware:
qemu-img convert -f raw -O vmdk chr-6.31rc9.img chr-6.31rc9.vmdk
RAW to VirtualBox:
qemu-img convert -f raw -O vdi chr-6.31rc9.img chr-6.31rc9.vdi
See below for steps how to run this new system.

If you need a bigger virtual hdd (currently 128Mb), resize the image before first run
qemu-img resize -f raw chr-6.31rc9.img +1G
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VirtualBox (Free): https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

Instructions for VMware:
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IMPORTANT STEP, change CPU setting to KVM:
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:08 pm

excellent
 
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:14 pm

Pretty cool.I can drop a proposed OSPF/BGP site for the boss man on his laptop for little/no charge :D


Is there any virtualizing software that you can pass frames over 1500 bytes for MPLS labs/testing ? I think last time I tested them VBox and VMWare Workstation were still a no go zone.
 
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:21 pm

Is there any difference (besides licensing) compared to the standard Mikrotik x86 releases which already work on VMware?
 
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:22 pm

This will have Fastpath and 64bit support, also custom drivers and other optimisations.
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:23 pm

Can't connect with winbox.

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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:23 pm

Nice!

Is vmxnet3 (10gbit) supported?
 
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:38 pm

Can't connect with winbox.

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That is most likely a VM software config issue. Depends on how you set up your virtual NIC and how it is connected to the host PC.

VirtualBox has NAT by default, configure it to use Bridge or reconfigure your network accordingly
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:57 pm

Normis could you confirm as per Chaos's question whether this will support VMXNet3 or not ?
 
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:10 pm

Why call it "Cloud Hosted"? Is there the ability to actually have a custom RouterOS installation hosted on a general hosting provider (NOT a specialized provider that would let you run custom VMs...)?

Have you guys (at MikroTik) considered maybe offering such a service (preferably one which, just like this VM, has full functionality, but with rate limits). If you do, I for one would certainly end up using it, as right now, to test my API client, I need to set up a VM on my PC, and no 3rd party CI service allows me to do the same with their infrastructure.

As it currently stands, this "Cloud Hosted Router" is really more like "RouterOS VM Edition".
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:21 pm

As it currently stands, this "Cloud Hosted Router" is really more like "RouterOS VM Edition".
Well yes, for now :)
Support for Amazon or other services is planned.
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:37 pm

Nice!

Is vmxnet3 (10gbit) supported?
Not in this image, but planned
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:50 pm

Can't connect with winbox.

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That is most likely a VM software config issue. Depends on how you set up your virtual NIC and how it is connected to the host PC.

VirtualBox has NAT by default, configure it to use Bridge or reconfigure your network accordingly
Nope, it seems that you actually provide a broken .vdi image, .vmdk image on the same configuration works well.

One more difference between .vdi and .vmdk:
.vdi — simply starts
.vmdk — self installs, generates keys then starts
 
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:55 pm

OK, thanks, will investigate.

Everybody else - VirtualBox can actually use the VMDK file as well
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:57 pm

So, the vmdk is already a 64bit build.

Cant run it using i386, only runs on a x64 VM.

Very nice!
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:02 pm

Integrated it in my GNS3 instead of my current images, completely smooth and works very nicely.
Getting MikroTik working in GNS3 is now a 3-click process.

I am EXTREMELY happy with this, very nice job MikroTik, major props for this!
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:53 pm

Can't connect with winbox.

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That is most likely a VM software config issue. Depends on how you set up your virtual NIC and how it is connected to the host PC.

VirtualBox has NAT by default, configure it to use Bridge or reconfigure your network accordingly
Nope, it seems that you actually provide a broken .vdi image, .vmdk image on the same configuration works well.

One more difference between .vdi and .vmdk:
.vdi — simply starts
.vmdk — self installs, generates keys then starts

VirtualBox with .vdi works for me.

Try
interface ethernet reset-mac-address
It should get the mac address your virtualbox ethernet card has.
ip dhcp-client renew
I also had to renew my IP address after reseting the MAC address.
 
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:37 pm

Great stuff, MIKROTIK!

Might I recommend a template based approach rather than a raw disk? Maybe in addition to?

An OVA\OVF for vSphere, whatever VB wants, whatever Proxmox\KVM\OpenVZ wants, etc. That way Mikrotik can exert more QA\QC over the deployment. The right virtual harwardware is used for optimal performance.
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:00 pm

Outstanding! Thank you! This will allow me to develop scripts without having to test them on real boxes.
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:53 pm

Please integrate virtio drivers.
 
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:27 pm

Anyone else with network problems on Hyper-V? I can't communicate with the router (ping, mac ping, winbox)
IP is manually assigned. Hyper-V guest is 1 generation with legacy network adapter.
 
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:35 am

I am in disbelief, my emails to your sales department didn't fall on deaf ears after all ;)

This is a definite move in the right direction. Great work Mikrotik!

Hopefully this is licensed per RouterOS VM, per month. This will make it easy for cloud providers to spool up Routers for new clients without having to worry about committing to an entire years licence fee. It will also make it easy for short term contracts where you just need a router for 3 months, or for Proof of Concepts. And it will deliver a recurring revenue stream to Mikrotik to pay for new features !
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:51 am

I have been hosting cloud hosted ROS since 2010. Paid for the licenses L4&L5 but, is it possible to upgrade to CHR?
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:41 am

I have been hosting cloud hosted ROS since 2010. Paid for the licenses L4&L5 but, is it possible to upgrade to CHR?
Currently we only offer the 1Mbit limited version, if you don't need higher sped, just use this image. In future we will offer subscriptions, but I don't think there will be any migration between old license and new.
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:04 am

Will Hyper-V be properly supported? Both Client and Server versions would be handy...
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:24 pm

is possible to install user-manager package?
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:27 pm

It's a RouterOS device, just virtual. Install any package you want
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:34 pm

Will there be a one time purchase option or will this just be a subscription based model ?

Yey for custom drivers though :)
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:35 pm

We are planning a one time payment option as well.
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Such good news this!!!
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:53 pm

VirtIO drivers (http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Virtio) not supported? big omission.
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:56 pm

Like I already said, VIRTIO is coming
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:29 pm

VirtIO disk driver absent, but VirtIO network driver works at first sight.
bravo! very comfortable in this environment to do the lab\test network.
 
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Perfect!!!
 
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:59 am

Hello,

This is great! Nice idea!

When I try to upgrade to most recent version (6.30.2) it resets the free license to a 24 hours license. Here are some screenshots.

Are we going to be able to upgrade this RouterOS VMs?

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Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:11 am

Apparently v6.30.2 does not have the new code to support the new licensing for the CHR.

I believe upgrades will work just fine after 6.31 is released.
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:49 am

6.30.x is older than 6.31

6.30.x only includes fixes, not new features, such as this
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:31 am

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I try to upgrade to 6.31.rc10 and error was: license does not permit to upgrade routeros.x86-6.31.rc10

I was upgrading via system/packages/upgrade
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:52 pm

6.30.x is older than 6.31

6.30.x only includes fixes, not new features, such as this
Hello Normis,

You are right. I choose current version from the upgrade menu.

However, if you try to upgrade to the release candidate, then the actual license won’t let you.

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Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:55 pm

Yes, it is a bug, current CHR release doesn't allow upgrades. Well, it is a test after all, we will make a fixed image soon.
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:44 pm

Will this work on XenServer 6.5? I imported the vmdk, gave it 512Mb RAM and got the following error while booting.

Booting Kernel Failed: Invalid argument

Is there something special I need to do?
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:02 pm

I have the same problem with v6.x on XenServer, regardless of version.
v5.26 works just fine on XenServer.

Apparently XenServer support was broken in v6.x and is still broken to this day :(
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:06 pm

On XEN server 6.5 (free edition) I installed ROS 6.29.1 without any problems.
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:43 pm

+1

XEN server 6.5 (free edition) works much better and faster
xen have alot to offer and free
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but did anyone from you try the CHR image on Xen ?
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pls add a link to ( CHR image on Xen )


but did anyone from you try the?
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:53 pm

XenServer 6.5 can import the VMDK image of CHR that Normis posted. But I got the kernel failed error above.

I installed the x86 6.30.1 on XenServer but got high cpu usage whenever there was 10Mb of ethernet traffic. You can see here http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=98882
You have to set veridian=false on the Xenserver to make it work. Info here http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=698862


I also tried setting veridian=false on the CHR VM that I setup, but the result was the same.
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:11 pm

Very nice.

I already use routerOS x86 on a virtual machine with kvm/virtualmin.
Virtual routerOS is a good firewall/router for virtual machines.
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:40 am

Will there be optional CHR-only packages available for this flavor of RouterOS? For example, you've mentioned driver support for different virtualisation systems interfaces will be added, but would it be worthwhile that these be additional packages to be installed only as needed, as well as things like VM-tools etc.. ?

Furthermore, does MT have any plans to work with providers like VMware and Amazon to allow MikroTik routers to be a click-to-deploy option for new users? IE: Putting CHR in the VMware Virtual Appliance Marketplace
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VMTools (or whatever that platform has) would be nice\required
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:20 pm

Will there be optional CHR-only packages available for this flavor of RouterOS? For example, you've mentioned driver support for different virtualisation systems interfaces will be added, but would it be worthwhile that these be additional packages to be installed only as needed, as well as things like VM-tools etc.. ?

Furthermore, does MT have any plans to work with providers like VMware and Amazon to allow MikroTik routers to be a click-to-deploy option for new users? IE: Putting CHR in the VMware Virtual Appliance Marketplace
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Allowing to use RouterOS con AWS will be so nice and very usefull.

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Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:59 pm

Very nice!

Problems I've met are unsupported virtio (disk and network both) and cloud-init to be possible to load on AWS, Openstack, etc.. :)
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:29 pm

This will have Fastpath and 64bit support, also custom drivers and other optimisations.
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:15 pm

Very nice!

Problems I've met are unsupported virtio (disk and network both) and cloud-init to be possible to load on AWS, Openstack, etc.. :)
I use Virtio network interfaces with RouterOS, virtualise inside Linux KVM. I've not tried Virtio storage, but I suspect it will work.

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Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:29 am

Very nice!

Problems I've met are unsupported virtio (disk and network both) and cloud-init to be possible to load on AWS, Openstack, etc.. :)
I use Virtio network interfaces with RouterOS, virtualise inside Linux KVM. I've not tried Virtio storage, but I suspect it will work.

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It does not support VirtIO storage or PVSCSI. I just test it.

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Very nice!
Waiting for subscriptions version.

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Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:21 am

Very nice!

Problems I've met are unsupported virtio (disk and network both) and cloud-init to be possible to load on AWS, Openstack, etc.. :)
network is supported, disk is coming later
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Very nice!

Problems I've met are unsupported virtio (disk and network both) and cloud-init to be possible to load on AWS, Openstack, etc.. :)
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Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:54 pm

Hello,

When I run the CHR-vm, I get the following error:

Demo License expired!
Please reinstall...

And the CHR-vm goes down. Any fix?

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Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:26 pm

i think until Mikrotik releases proper drivers, all this virtualisation thing is good for:
- demonstration
- testing
- dude
- user manager
and other low network usage things.

If you go for higher thruput/pps than you have to use direct access to NIC or specific drivers.
What i don't really understand, why Mikrotik not includes PV-HVM stock kernel drivers.
A standard linux installed to HVM, can nicely push ~900mbps traffic with low cpu usage, while RouterOS tops at ~150mbps with high CPU usage.
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:32 pm

i think until Mikrotik releases proper drivers, all this virtualisation thing is good for:
- demonstration
- testing
- dude
- user manager
and other low network usage things.

If you go for higher thruput/pps than you have to use direct access to NIC or specific drivers.
What i don't really understand, why Mikrotik not includes PV-HVM stock kernel drivers.
A standard linux installed to HVM, can nicely push ~900mbps traffic with low cpu usage, while RouterOS tops at ~150mbps with high CPU usage.
They've said what they are working on, so leave them to it. No need for 15 people to ask for Virtio storage drivers when they've already said it. They've said they're working on 10G VMXnet3.

Sooo.... move to feedback other than drivers as it's already been received.
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Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:39 pm

They've said what they are working on, so leave them to it. No need for 15 people to ask for Virtio storage drivers when they've already said it. They've said they're working on 10G VMXnet3.
Have i said, that those PV-HVM drivers already exist and working ?
So they just have to include that driver

I know, that solution is for Xen and not for VmWare. Maybe other (like proxmox, etc) virtualisation also use that.
 
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Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:49 pm

Great Idea. I'm already using several instances of ROS on virtualised platforms for live virtual systems and for testing. When a polished final product, I'm sure it will be a success.

Please consider adding the recognition of extra virtual disks to the appliance. Additional virtual storage space would be very useful for larger web caches, FTP or Samba servers as a simple and easy alternative to other storage appliaces with no fancy requirements.

OTOH, I don't really get why people want Virtio storage so much -- yes, it's the standard nowadays for KVM, but unless one has demanding performance requirements for storage I/O, it won't bring any benefit. And if they do, ROS is not the correct choice, IMO. It's first and foremost a router appliance. Virtio network is already working, and that's indeed a must.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:41 am

6.31rc13 changelog says:

*) chr - added support for virtio disks
*) chr - added support for HyperV fast ethernet

But where can we find the new images for download?
 
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it is now on the download page. Later builds will include VMXNET3
[admin@MikroTik] > interface print 
Flags: D - dynamic, X - disabled, R - running, S - slave 
 #     NAME                                TYPE       ACTUAL-MTU L2MTU  MAX-L2MTU MAC-ADDRESS      
 0  R  ether1                              ether            1500                  00:0C:29:B1:BB:47
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 # DEVICE   VENDOR                                                NAME                                                       IRQ
 0 03:00.0  VMware                                                VMXNET3 Ethernet Controller (rev: 1)                        11
 1 02:00.0  Intel Corporation                                     82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (re...         11
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:41 pm

Thanks Mikrotik.

At this rate we won't have anything to complain about by mid next year and will need to find a new hobby ;)

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Will VMXNET3 be included on the standard x86 builds as well or only on the CHR images?
 
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CHR only. And most probably will not change in the future.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:40 pm

Hello,

When I run the CHR-vm, I get the following error:

Demo License expired!
Please reinstall...

And the CHR-vm goes down. Any fix?

Thanks
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Please consider adding the recognition of extra virtual disks to the appliance. Additional virtual storage space would be very useful for larger web caches, FTP or Samba servers as a simple and easy alternative to other storage appliaces with no fancy requirements.
Will this be possible in the final image?
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:13 pm

So, is this mainly about new way of licensing (specifically copy protection)?

Standard RouterOS was already working in virtualized environments (at least some of them) and it was only missing few drivers to get better performance (or supports for others). And, from MikroTik's point of view, something preventing one user buying the licence, leaking disk image and whole world riding for free. Instead of adding those drivers to standard RouterOS, there's now special edition and standard RouterOS "most probably will not change". So what's it gonna be? Some kind of activation servers? Just out of curiosity, I swear I don't run a network of pirated RouterOS clones. :)
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:48 am

we will check what can be done to allow additional storage for guest CHR.

There are 2 main goals here:
* make it easier to use RouterOS in virtual environment - deploying, configuring etc
* make it reasonable for customers that want virtual router up and running on demand. (licensing)

edit: rc14 with VMXNET3 support.
 
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Hi Janis.

Those are great goals.

It would be good if it worked like Microsoft SPLA. We spin up a new Windows VM from a template, it registers with a local KMS(licence server) that connects to Microsoft. Each month they invoice us for the number of Windows licences that have been active on our KMS.
This allows us to register licence without the VM being able to direct connect to the net, allows a grace period (evaluation period) and has worked flawlessly for us.

One of the UTM vendors has a similar system that works equally as well.
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:34 pm

Will VMXNET3 be included on the standard x86 builds as well or only on the CHR images?
I will be very interested if it's possible to mount a CHR image and copy the kernel module to std x86 image.
Hopefully Mikrotik not want to maintain 2 different kernel trees :-)
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:34 pm

Janisk: would you include Xen PV-HVM drivers as well, please?
- KVM works now
- HyperV works now
- VmWare works now
- Xen still not :-*
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:09 pm

Hi Janis.

Those are great goals.

It would be good if it worked like Microsoft SPLA. We spin up a new Windows VM from a template, it registers with a local KMS(licence server) that connects to Microsoft. Each month they invoice us for the number of Windows licences that have been active on our KMS.
This allows us to register licence without the VM being able to direct connect to the net, allows a grace period (evaluation period) and has worked flawlessly for us.

One of the UTM vendors has a similar system that works equally as well.
This is exactly how we plan to do it. Boot up the image, it will run in nag-screen mode until you log into your mikrotik account and "register" the new running machine. All details are not yet final, we are still making the plans. Internet will not be required all the time.
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I have a somewhat weird but related to this feature request...

Any chance for a Docker base image?

(Travis-CI support once told me they plan to eventually allow users to spawn Docker containers...)
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:12 pm

Hi Janis.

Those are great goals.

It would be good if it worked like Microsoft SPLA. We spin up a new Windows VM from a template, it registers with a local KMS(licence server) that connects to Microsoft. Each month they invoice us for the number of Windows licences that have been active on our KMS.
This allows us to register licence without the VM being able to direct connect to the net, allows a grace period (evaluation period) and has worked flawlessly for us.

One of the UTM vendors has a similar system that works equally as well.
This is exactly how we plan to do it. Boot up the image, it will run in nag-screen mode until you log into your mikrotik account and "register" the new running machine. All details are not yet final, we are still making the plans. Internet will not be required all the time.
What about situations where you create/destroy VMs regularly, sometimes within the same month?

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Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:11 am

Hammy, nothing is set in stone yet and could change in the future. However, CHR is made with exactly this usage pattern in mind. You need some virtual router - it is easy to get it up, configuration checked and licensed if required. Or you could have virtual router prepared and when you need it active, license it. Granularity is not yet known.
 
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Janisk: would you include Xen PV-HVM drivers as well, please?
- KVM works now
- HyperV works now
- VmWare works now
- Xen still not :-*
I am told that CHR will not have its PV-HVM drivers added for XEN, use non-para virtualized environment instead.
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:52 pm

Hammy, nothing is set in stone yet and could change in the future. However, CHR is made with exactly this usage pattern in mind. You need some virtual router - it is easy to get it up, configuration checked and licensed if required. Or you could have virtual router prepared and when you need it active, license it. Granularity is not yet known.
It's really exciting to see this much attention from Mikrotik to licensing, new platform support, etc. "We make Routerboards" was the mantra for too long. Maybe we'll even see paid software support soon! <ducking>
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I have a somewhat weird but related to this feature request...

Any chance for a Docker base image?

(Travis-CI support once told me they plan to eventually allow users to spawn Docker containers...)
Docker base image will not be possible.
 
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Just catching up on this thread and the ESXi hosts in our lab are already doing cartwheels :-)

This is an excellent addition to MikroTik portfolio of goodies. Will be spinning up some of these this morning. Some people have fishtanks in their office....we watch performance graphs in VSphere on all of our liitle pet VMs :D
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Looks like they have improved tamper protection also. NPK packages are now checksummed and the format has changed.
 
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Seems like the following new drivers (modules) are in the release RC 14:
vmxnet3
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xt_policy
sch_rate

Not sure what xt_policy and sch_rate does, but xt_policy is a netfilter module. sch_rate might be a proprietary MikroTik module. Looking forward to seeing new drivers, such as igbvf support for Intel Virtual Functions. SR-IOV would improve performance by a large magnitude probably.
 
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Looks like they have improved tamper protection also. NPK packages are now checksummed and the format has changed.
I believe that checksums for the NPK packages appeared in the late versions of v3.

Before that there were various packages created by users that allowed you to install other software (mainly quagga to replace the -then- buggy BGP implementation of Mikrotik)
 
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Looks like they have improved tamper protection also. NPK packages are now checksummed and the format has changed.
I believe that checksums for the NPK packages appeared in the late versions of v3.

Before that there were various packages created by users that allowed you to install other software (mainly quagga to replace the -then- buggy BGP implementation of Mikrotik)
At least normal x86 releases (version 6.3) did not seem to have checksumming, as packages could be changed at will and the NPK files themselves didn't contain checksums.

I wish I could load my own kernel modules with RouterOS so I'd get igbvf working, but it does not seem to be possible. Hopeyfully this cloud release will include the driver.
 
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Sun Aug 09, 2015 5:35 pm

Unfortunately it has been a few years since I last checked, but I recall that on version <=3.20 you could use custom made NPK packages.

After v3.21 there was some package verification in place that did not allow to install those custom packages.

We used to use these in AWMN to be able to have Quagga, BIND DNS and traceroute/tracepath/mtr utilities on Mikrotik.
Mostly on x86 but I can see that there were also packages for MIPSBE.

You might be right about the checksums since the package verification I mentioned could be bypassed with a specific downgrade/upgrade procedure.
But there was definitely a package verification introduced back in v3.21.

Here's the original thread about it https://www.awmn.net/showthread.php?t=3 ... mikrolinux (It's in Greek so google translate is your friend :P)
 
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Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:18 pm

Janisk: would you include Xen PV-HVM drivers as well, please?
- KVM works now
- HyperV works now
- VmWare works now
- Xen still not :-*
I am told that CHR will not have its PV-HVM drivers added for XEN, use non-para virtualized environment instead.
Janisk,
as i mentioned RouterOS was tested in HVM (hardware virtual machine) environment (that is NOT para-virtualised)
Booting (~2.6.38 or newer) linux in HVM mode automaticall detects the virtualised network, and start using built-in PV-HVM drivers.
http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/PV_on_HVM

This technique allows Hardware Virtualised Machine to use ParaVirtualised driver (for example windows GPLPV) to use high performace io paravirtualised devices instead of hardware emulation (what is much much slower).
 
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Any change log or info on this release?
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No instruction to run under QEMU? Is it possible? Already try on my FreeBSD boxes, no success.
 
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No instruction to run under QEMU? Is it possible? Already try on my FreeBSD boxes, no success.
I run it the other day under QEMU on Windows via GNS3.

It works just fine!
 
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No instruction to run under QEMU? Is it possible? Already try on my FreeBSD boxes, no success.
qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -hda chr_6_31rc14.img
Is a very quick and dirty minimal configuration that should get you up and running. This will expose a single default emulated Intel NIC with guest-only networking and NAT.

If that works, you can then start by replacing the default NIC with a proper set of network devices configured with -net nic or -netdev/-device pairs.

"man qemu" will also give you all the info you need, obviously :)

Ideally you should be managing the complexity of the command-line configuration (which can very quickly get huge and unwieldy) via an abstraction tool such as libvirt.
 
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This is very cool! Great job Mikrotik for releasing this!

Has anyone tried running this on an AWS virtual machine? Are the kernel virtualization options required within this image?
 
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new image availabe http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/chr_6_31rc16.img

Hyper-V and Vmware SCSI disk support for extended storage.

edit: keep the bug reports and discussions here in this topic.
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Problem with bridges and dhcp-server on x64 mode still persists on rc16.

Tested on ESXi 5.5 with E1000 and VMXNET3 interfaces.
 
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new image availabe http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/chr_6_31rc16.img

Hyper-V and Vmware SCSI disk support for extended storage.
What about KVM ?
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Could you add igbvf driver to the release in order to use SR-IOV?
 
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Could you add igbvf driver to the release in order to use SR-IOV?
we are planning to add that. Have to get proper hardware etc.
What about KVM ?
just add additional storage as a device use VIRTIO
 
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Could you add igbvf driver to the release in order to use SR-IOV?
we are planning to add that. Have to get proper hardware etc.
Thank you! Looking forward to it.
 
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Hi everyone

I wanted to test the addition of a second Vmware scsi drive on CHR 6.31rc16

My CHR is installed on ESXi 5.5u2, i've added a new virtual disk drive (scsi, dependant, thin provisionned) but the command /disk print answers nothing.

How do we add a new virtual disk on CHR ?

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Would it be possible to add/remove vNICs from CHR while running?

Other guest OSes (Windows, Linux) do support this feature and allow you to add remove virtual hardware without rebooting the VM.

Is that something you would be able to support on CHR? It would be really useful :)
 
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Hi everyone

I wanted to test the addition of a second Vmware scsi drive on CHR 6.31rc16

My CHR is installed on ESXi 5.5u2, i've added a new virtual disk drive (scsi, dependant, thin provisionned) but the command /disk print answers nothing.

How do we add a new virtual disk on CHR ?

Thanks for your help
I'm answering to myself: i've reconfigured the new disk as IDE and it is now detected by RouterOS.

but the changelog says "chr - added support for VMware SCSI virtual disks"

why is that ?
 
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I'm testing it on VMware Player and not only SCSI disks work, they can be even added/removed without turning the VM off. I have scsi0.virtualDev="pvscsi" in .vmx (did not test others). CHR 6.31rc16.
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Hi everyone

I wanted to test the addition of a second Vmware scsi drive on CHR 6.31rc16

My CHR is installed on ESXi 5.5u2, i've added a new virtual disk drive (scsi, dependant, thin provisionned) but the command /disk print answers nothing.

How do we add a new virtual disk on CHR ?

Thanks for your help
I'm answering to myself: i've reconfigured the new disk as IDE and it is now detected by RouterOS.

but the changelog says "chr - added support for VMware SCSI virtual disks"

why is that ?

platform for testing Vmware virtualization is ESXi 6.0

scsi configuration for the test:
scsi0.virtualDev = "pvscsi"
scsi0.present = "TRUE"
scsi0:0.deviceType = "scsi-hardDisk"
scsi0:0.fileName = "test_2.vmdk"
scsi0:0.present = "TRUE"
scsi0:0.redo = ""
scsi0.pciSlotNumber = "192"
scsi0.sasWWID = "50 05 05 6e f4 ee b7 a0"
also, add scsi drives in order (starting with 0) jumping over may yield strange results.
 
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I've just started VmWare image successfully on my Proxmox machine! Good job MikroTik! :)
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platform for testing Vmware virtualization is ESXi 6.0

scsi configuration for the test:
scsi0.virtualDev = "pvscsi"
scsi0.present = "TRUE"
scsi0:0.deviceType = "scsi-hardDisk"
scsi0:0.fileName = "test_2.vmdk"
scsi0:0.present = "TRUE"
scsi0:0.redo = ""
scsi0.pciSlotNumber = "192"
scsi0.sasWWID = "50 05 05 6e f4 ee b7 a0"
also, add scsi drives in order (starting with 0) jumping over may yield strange results.
Thanks for your answer Janisk

For my first attempt, I used the template "Other Linux 64bit" and it defaulted with LSI Logic SCSI controller and E1000 network adapter.

I created a new virtual machine with the template "Other Linux 3.x 64bit" and the machine is now created with VMware paravirtual controller and VMXnet3 network adapters.

But I was still unable to boot the VM with disk in SCSI mode (works fine with IDE), I had to "import" the vmdk with the following command executed on the ESXi console :

vmkfstools -i /vmfs/volumes/Datastore_local_x3300/CHR2/chr-6.31.vmdk /vmfs/volumes/Datastore_local_x3300/CHR2/chr-6.31import.vmdk

My CHR VM is now booting in full SCSI paravirtual mode on ESXI 5.5u2 :D
 
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we will look into other virtual SCSI devices for vmware. Cannot promise that they will be able to boot them. There are 2 other "controllers" that might get support.
 
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Any idea when bridges will be fixed?
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Hello,

Where can I find the last CHR vmdk disk?. Do I need to convert the img file to a vmdk?

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Hello,

Where can I find the last CHR vmdk disk?. Do I need to convert the img file to a vmdk?

Regards
You can download the .img file and using "StarWind V2V Converter" you can convert it to anything you'd like (its free).
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/chr_6_31rc16.img



Regarding Fast Path:
Does anyone able to get fastTrack to work with it? I assume since it suppose to work with FastPath it has support for FastTrack as well?
 
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Is 6.31 Img going to be available through the download page ?
 
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Is 6.31 Img going to be available through the download page ?
I couldn't find it either. I downloaded the RC, upgraded it, reset the configuration to completely blank, and made a new copy of the img.
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Is 6.31 Img going to be available through the download page ?
I couldn't find it either. I downloaded the RC, upgraded it, reset the configuration to completely blank, and made a new copy of the img.
sorry, did not upload them on time.

http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/chr_6_31.img
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/chr_6_31.vmdk
 
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Hello,

When I run the CHR-vm, I get the following error:

Demo License expired!
Please reinstall...

And the CHR-vm goes down. Any fix?

Thanks
you have to make sure that your virtual machine management system exposes virtualization bit to the guest os.
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Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:52 pm

I have also tried the online update method which seemed to work fine. +

I have tried several versions in an attempt at the VMWare 10gbps interfaces which work but i have not been able to trial the speed test successfully yet.

Do we know when speed test and licensing will work? I currently have the ccr1036 with two tengb sfp+ and would like to see the cost models for the CHR.
 
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:42 am

All depends on the pricing. Right now vedges are free to me as part of vmwares bundle. However, they are quite limited. Would be nice to replace them.

I think you need to price on the vedge model where you can select to deploy:

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compact is basically 1 core, 512mb memory
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I'm interested if there will be a "home use" licensing option ? Something with similar restrictions to the regular Mikrotik licenses and no speed limits.

I run RouterOS in a vm for gigabit since you still don't have a consumer device that can handle gigabit routing (*serious finger shaking*).
 
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Huh... I disabled 'Allow x86-64' in System -> Resources -> Hardware, and now CHR on ESXi sees only 1 CPU core and no Ethernet (VMXNET3). How can I enable 'Allow x86-64' from console?
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I found that we could not use sstp server . sstp client 's log imply that it's terminated by remote peer. But when i checked the server side, i found it's the chr not responded.
And i found that the chr is not very productive. it went down sometimes,making me to rebuild again.
 
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Huh... I disabled 'Allow x86-64' in System -> Resources -> Hardware, and now CHR on ESXi sees only 1 CPU core and no Ethernet (VMXNET3). How can I enable 'Allow x86-64' from console?
just change the interface to E1000 and then you'll have access.
then add the x86-64 option and then change the interface to VMXNET3 again.
 
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hi Mikrotik, Can we get an idea about pricing and subscriptions? Technically this looks nice, but would like to know if it make financial sense for us to put in development work. Will there be an outright purchase option like today's License levels?
 
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Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:51 am

for CHR do not change away from x86_64. That will be the default and only option on CHR. For non-CHR x86 deployments, there will be only 1 option (as it was through ou 6.x branch) only x86 option.

So CHR will have a 64bit kernel. The other x86 will have a 32bit kernel.

So, enjoy that switch while it is there as in the future it will be removed.

edit: sorry, currently cannot give any details regarding licensing.
 
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So, enjoy that switch while it is there as in the future it will be removed.
so, it's WinBox-only switch? I cannot change it via CLI?
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No, the switch will not be there at all, not in the winbox nor in the CLI. CHR will use exclusively x86_64 kernel and standard RouterOS will use the usual X86 kernel as it was till now. At this time you could still change the flavor of kernel used.
 
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At this time you could still change the flavor of kernel used.
how can I do that now, without network access to the router? I have only CLI
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Chupaka. Once more. Ignore this bug.
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i'm using mikrotik rb2011uas-rm router.. There i configured some basic radius and hotspot configs...when i did my login i found that i'm unable to access some websites...plzz let me why its happening.....
 
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Chupaka. Once more. Ignore this bug.
thanks, reinstalled to solve :) I hoped there was easy way...
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I don't know whether it is already mentioned by somebody but I did not read it yet.
I have tried the latest available version (6.31) on Hyper-V (Running on windows 10, if it matters) and it seems to work.
Only thing I noticed is that only legacy network interfaces are available on the RouterOS installation. Normal network interfaces won't show up in the OS
Testing setup with: 2 x RB750UP | 2 x RB750GL | 1 x RB951G-2HnD | 1 x RB2011UiAS-IN
 
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I can't find a 6.31rc9 user-manager package. the full 6.31 package wont install, nor will a 6.30 package. any help here? want to get into testing :)
 
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Another possible bug I found is that when I assign more than 1 virtual processor, the interface I configured won't get an IP address from my DHCP server (running on a real routerboard).
The routerboard does offer an IP, but it keeps in status offered and the DHCP client on the CHR keeps searching.
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Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:15 am

Hello. I have read this topic and it seems that mikrotik users here are looking for bugs in CHR and talk about it to developers. I think it is not good. The real good thing is the developers should help us to move the CHR or simply the VM image of router OS to current cloud hosted servers such as Azure. I make some actions and see that current situation is bad. Nor CHR nor VM image of routerOS have no ability to be successfull working in Azure. The current network infastructure not capable to work from the box with network infrastructure of Azure. The lack of VMagent leave no chance to deploy the RouterOS images in Azure. I really want to do that and pay for x86 license.
 
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Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:19 am

CHR is in early test stage. It has only been posted on forum, so this is like Beta1. There is no Azure support because it is too early. We will have Amazon and Azure later, just be patient. If you are not comfortable with Beta1 test level, just ignore this thread for a while.
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Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:31 am

I'm unsure of why there is some negativity - I've been using CHR inside GNS3 / QEMU and it works perfectly as a test platform. I dont think it was ever Mikrotik's intention to release a full blown router aimed at virtualisation from day 1. As Normis said, this should be considered a 'BETA', and so far, I think it's great.
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I have a success with VMware and KVM using the RouterOS. But my goal is to move the server with routerOS to Azure. Please. could you anounce the date of first beta image of CHR able to start in Azure? Could you please sign me to letters about the success at such imprtant part or working on CHR.
 
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Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:02 am

Only thing I advice to the Mikrotik leading members - you are to late with CHR. The market is ready for about 2 years. Now the migration to cloud is at the end. If you create a VM images able to working in Amazon and Azure you should do that very fast.
 
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When you will do the CHR version for Amazon and Azure please notice that there is not support of remote display and console. The only way to make it accessable is to introduce to network infrastruture and create a real working profile for current routerOS such as Home AP and etc.
 
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I don't know whether it is already mentioned by somebody but I did not read it yet.
I have tried the latest available version (6.31) on Hyper-V (Running on windows 10, if it matters) and it seems to work.
Only thing I noticed is that only legacy network interfaces are available on the RouterOS installation. Normal network interfaces won't show up in the OS
yes, this is confirmed bug. we will work to get that normal-network-interface of Hyper-V working again.
 
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Janisk: would you include Xen PV-HVM drivers as well, please?
- KVM works now
- HyperV works now
- VmWare works now
- Xen still not :-*
I am told that CHR will not have its PV-HVM drivers added for XEN, use non-para virtualized environment instead.
That would make it useless for XenServer setups. XenServer/XenCenter won't allow live migration of HVM machines until XenTools are installed. XenTools (or open-vm-tools) are not available to install on RouterOS. My last post on testing live migration with RouterOS (x86) on XenServer is still valid for RouterOS 6.30.1 and XenServer 6.5.

I tried to proof me being wrong, but i don't get CHR image to work. [edit]I tried to import vmdk with xencenter.[/edit]
but did anyone from you try the CHR image on Xen ?
I'm getting boot error "kernel failed: invalid argument" with chr image on XenServer 6.5.
I did set platform:viridian=false as described earlier in this thread and in that thread.
 
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Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:41 am

I don't know whether it is already mentioned by somebody but I did not read it yet.
I have tried the latest available version (6.31) on Hyper-V (Running on windows 10, if it matters) and it seems to work.
Only thing I noticed is that only legacy network interfaces are available on the RouterOS installation. Normal network interfaces won't show up in the OS
yes, this is confirmed bug. we will work to get that normal-network-interface of Hyper-V working again.
And what about my other finding?
Another possible bug I found is that when I assign more than 1 virtual processor, the interface I configured won't get an IP address from my DHCP server (running on a real routerboard).
The routerboard does offer an IP, but it keeps in status offered and the DHCP client on the CHR keeps searching.
Testing setup with: 2 x RB750UP | 2 x RB750GL | 1 x RB951G-2HnD | 1 x RB2011UiAS-IN
 
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CHR running on XEN
[admin@xen] > sy resource pci print 
 # DEVICE   VENDOR                     NAME                                                       IRQ
 0 00:03.0  Cirrus Logic                    GD 5446 (rev: 0)                                             0
 1 00:02.0  XenSource, Inc.             Xen Platform Device (rev: 1)                                11
 2 00:01.3  Intel Corporation            82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev: 3)                           10
 3 00:01.1  Intel Corporation            82371SB PIIX3 IDE [Natoma/Triton II] (rev: 0)                0
 4 00:01.0  Intel Corporation            82371SB PIIX3 ISA [Natoma/Triton II] (rev: 0)                0
 5 00:00.0  Intel Corporation            440FX - 82441FX PMC [Natoma] (rev: 2)                        0
[admin@xen] > ip ad p
Flags: X - disabled, I - invalid, D - dynamic 
 #   ADDRESS            NETWORK         INTERFACE                                                                               
 0 D 192.168.88.2/24      192.168.88.0      bridge1                                                                                 
[admin@xen] > ip dhcp-client print 
Flags: X - disabled, I - invalid 
 #   INTERFACE      USE-PEER-DNS ADD-DEFAULT-ROUTE STATUS        ADDRESS            
 0   bridge1                                                     yes          yes               bound         192.168.88.2/24     
[admin@xen] > sy hardware print 
  multi-cpu: yes
  [admin@xen] > sy resource print 
                   uptime: 3m13s
                  version: 6.32rc5
               build-time: Aug/24/2015 16:16:22
              free-memory: 88.5MiB
             total-memory: 105.8MiB
                      cpu: Intel(R)
                cpu-count: 2
            cpu-frequency: 3491MHz
                 cpu-load: 0%
           free-hdd-space: 30.1MiB
          total-hdd-space: 63.5MiB
  write-sect-since-reboot: 1120
         write-sect-total: 1121
        architecture-name: x86_64
               board-name: x86
                 platform: MikroTik
 
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Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:33 pm

we will check what can be done to allow additional storage for guest CHR.

There are 2 main goals here:
* make it easier to use RouterOS in virtual environment - deploying, configuring etc
* make it reasonable for customers that want virtual router up and running on demand. (licensing)

edit: rc14 with VMXNET3 support.
That second point is what's tweaked my interest, or rather have it running all the time as a hot-standby using VRRP with an actual physical router. Use CHR to deploy upgrades first, fail over to check everything remains functional, upgrade the physical router and fail back, or just as a backup in case of complete failure and waiting for a new router to get freighted across the country. I just got this image (6.31) fired up in Hyper-V right away, so now it's just a matter of testing throughput.
 
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Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:52 pm

There should be a tool to prepare images with own start config and config applied after reset. Useful for providers.
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All the details of the licensing scheme are not yet known or cannot be disclosed. For now, you have limitations of Free tier - that is 1MBps of throughput.
 
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Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:34 pm

CHR running on XEN
So is this a fix in 6.32rc5? I didn't find a place to download 6.32rc5. I tried
http://www.mikrotik.com/download/share/chr_6_32rc5.vmdk

but just got sent back to http://www.mikrotik.com/
 
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Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:11 pm

All the details of the licensing scheme are not yet known or cannot be disclosed. For now, you have limitations of Free tier - that is 1MBps of throughput.

I tested the latest CHR 6.32rc5 and have found that the bandwidth test tools do work now. Interestingly i was able to push gigabit speeds in the test. is the 1Mb/s a routing or inspection throughput limit?
 
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Interestingly i was able to push gigabit speeds in the test. is the 1Mb/s a routing or inspection throughput limit?
It is expected to be a per-interface limit. Either this limit does not apply to the bandwidth test tool, or you have encountered a build where this limit is (accidentally?) turned off.
 
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Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:35 am

It's outgoing limit. So if you try bandwidth test CHR->other it's capped at 1Mbit, while other->CHR is unlimited.

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Great! will try these ASAP. Really like the direction the CHR is going :-)
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confirm synthetic links work in hyper-v server 2012r2 and server 2016 tp2
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Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:18 pm

Thank you for giving Hyper-V some well deserved attention :)

Looking forward to do some performance testing once the 1Mbps limit is lifted.
 
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Dear,
Can the Cloud Hosted Router itself be a Virtual Router with KVM?
I suppose this will depend in the future on the hosted provider.
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Dear,
Can the Cloud Hosted Router itself be a Virtual Router with KVM?
I suppose this will depend in the future on the hosted provider.
Thanks,
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I'm wondering about the same thing. I'd like to deploy a couple of RouterOS instances on the Vultr cloud (https://www.vultr.com) that uses KVM, but they require you to install from an ISO file. The default x86 ISO that Mikrotik provides doesn't have virtio drivers and thus doesn't see a hard disk to install to.
 
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:23 pm

Very nice!

Problems I've met are unsupported virtio (disk and network both) and cloud-init to be possible to load on AWS, Openstack, etc.. :)
network is supported, disk is coming later
Can you add both virtio disk and network support to the x86 installer ISO as well? That would be a great addition!
 
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Dear,
Can the Cloud Hosted Router itself be a Virtual Router with KVM?
I suppose this will depend in the future on the hosted provider.
Thanks,
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Yes it can. I'm using it in both KVM and QEMU.
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Very nice!

Problems I've met are unsupported virtio (disk and network both) and cloud-init to be possible to load on AWS, Openstack, etc.. :)
network is supported, disk is coming later
Can you add both virtio disk and network support to the x86 installer ISO as well? That would be a great addition!
I just received this info from Vultr's support desk:
We do get a number of requests for that particular OS, but enabling IDE has a significant processing overhead.
So apparently there is more interest in running RouterOS in this way, the only thing that's needed to get this working is virtio disk support in the x86 installer-ISO. If Mikrotik needs testers for this just let me know.
 
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:08 pm

We do get a number of requests for that particular OS, but enabling IDE has a significant processing overhead.
So apparently there is more interest in running RouterOS in this way, the only thing that's needed to get this working is virtio disk support in the x86 installer-ISO. If Mikrotik needs testers for this just let me know.
I don't think they really know Mikrotik RouterOS. If they did they wouldn't say that there will be a significant processing overhead because of IDE.
Once Mikrotik boots it pretty much writes almost nothing to the disk. So there is no disk IO to cause any load :P
 
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:13 pm

I don't think they really know Mikrotik RouterOS. If they did they wouldn't say that there will be a significant processing overhead because of IDE.
Once Mikrotik boots it pretty much writes almost nothing to the disk. So there is no disk IO to cause any load :P
That was my exact response :D
 
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Wow, routerOS is going to the Cloud

if based on linux package, please add qemu-guest-agent and open-vm-tools to the routeros kernel. it would be very nice to have hypervisor driver on the vm

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Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:59 pm

it is now on the download page. Later builds will include VMXNET3
[admin@MikroTik] > interface print 
Flags: D - dynamic, X - disabled, R - running, S - slave 
 #     NAME                                TYPE       ACTUAL-MTU L2MTU  MAX-L2MTU MAC-ADDRESS      
 0  R  ether1                              ether            1500                  00:0C:29:B1:BB:47
 1  R  ether2                              ether            1500                  00:0C:29:B1:BB:3D
[admin@MikroTik] > sy resource pci print 
 # DEVICE   VENDOR                                                NAME                                                       IRQ
 0 03:00.0  VMware                                                VMXNET3 Ethernet Controller (rev: 1)                        11
 1 02:00.0  Intel Corporation                                     82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (re...         11
The L2 MTU field is empty. Is this going to change in future releases of the CHR?
 
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Troubles using CHR version:

1) Mikrotik create a dhcp client on ether1. Even if I disable dhcp client or reset the configuration mikrotik always create a dhcp client on ether1 and a get stuck with a automatic default gateway...
2) Is hard to search for neighbours on winbox. Sometimes winbox show but most of time no. Btw I'm running winbox on linux...

I have no such problems using the PC x86 version...
 
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Troubles using CHR version:

1) Mikrotik create a dhcp client on ether1. Even if I disable dhcp client or reset the configuration mikrotik always create a dhcp client on ether1 and a get stuck with a automatic default gateway...
2) Is hard to search for neighbours on winbox. Sometimes winbox show but most of time no. Btw I'm running winbox on linux...

I have no such problems using the PC x86 version...
on what virtual machine you are running your guest? And yes, that is one of the things for better EC2 integration. We might think of an option to disable that automatic DHCP addition to the interface.

Also, using ISO installation you will not be able to install CHR. For now it is deemed as an image that will install on itself at the first boot.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:26 pm

Troubles using CHR version:

1) Mikrotik create a dhcp client on ether1. Even if I disable dhcp client or reset the configuration mikrotik always create a dhcp client on ether1 and a get stuck with a automatic default gateway...
2) Is hard to search for neighbours on winbox. Sometimes winbox show but most of time no. Btw I'm running winbox on linux...

I have no such problems using the PC x86 version...
on what virtual machine you are running your guest? And yes, that is one of the things for better EC2 integration. We might think of an option to disable that automatic DHCP addition to the interface.

Also, using ISO installation you will not be able to install CHR. For now it is deemed as an image that will install on itself at the first boot.
Ok..

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Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:36 am

I don't know what is wrong, but in my case it just keeps rebooting on Hyper-V (Running on Windows 10)

[edit]
I also have tried to start from scratch.
Picked the 6.31 IMG file, converted it for Hyper-V. It runs ok.
Via the system -> packages I checked for updates and update 6.32.1 is available.
Upgrading to this version causes continuous reboots.

[edit2]
'Upgrading' to 6.30.4 causes no interfaces in Hyper-V and also gives me the 24hour limit like I have installed it from the x86 iso image.

[edit3]
Upgrading to the RC branch (6.33rc4) causes the reboot loop.
Testing setup with: 2 x RB750UP | 2 x RB750GL | 1 x RB951G-2HnD | 1 x RB2011UiAS-IN
 
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I don't know what is wrong, but in my case it just keeps rebooting on Hyper-V (Running on Windows 10)

[edit]
I also have tried to start from scratch.
Picked the 6.31 IMG file, converted it for Hyper-V. It runs ok.
Via the system -> packages I checked for updates and update 6.32.1 is available.
Upgrading to this version causes continuous reboots.

[edit2]
'Upgrading' to 6.30.4 causes no interfaces in Hyper-V and also gives me the 24hour limit like I have installed it from the x86 iso image.

[edit3]
Upgrading to the RC branch (6.33rc4) causes the reboot loop.
their are known issues with hyper-v and some builds of windows 10. is this the insider preview build of windows 10?
 
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:52 pm

I don't know what is wrong, but in my case it just keeps rebooting on Hyper-V (Running on Windows 10)

[edit]
I also have tried to start from scratch.
Picked the 6.31 IMG file, converted it for Hyper-V. It runs ok.
Via the system -> packages I checked for updates and update 6.32.1 is available.
Upgrading to this version causes continuous reboots.

[edit2]
'Upgrading' to 6.30.4 causes no interfaces in Hyper-V and also gives me the 24hour limit like I have installed it from the x86 iso image.

[edit3]
Upgrading to the RC branch (6.33rc4) causes the reboot loop.
their are known issues with hyper-v and some builds of windows 10. is this the insider preview build of windows 10?
I didn't read about these as known issues. And I'm running an official version of Windows 10, upgraded from 7, for that matter.
I will try to test it on other versions of windows hyper-v but that will take time....
Hopefully MikroTik will be able to solve this in the meantime.
Testing setup with: 2 x RB750UP | 2 x RB750GL | 1 x RB951G-2HnD | 1 x RB2011UiAS-IN
 
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you have issues only on Windows 10? Can someone chime in with other versions of windows?
 
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Any news for XenServer users? The following is still valid for 6.32 on XenServer6.5:
Will this work on XenServer 6.5? I imported the vmdk, gave it 512Mb RAM and got the following error while booting.

Booting Kernel Failed: Invalid argument

Is there something special I need to do?

Image
Janisk: would you include Xen PV-HVM drivers as well, please?
- KVM works now
- HyperV works now
- VmWare works now
- Xen still not :-*
I am told that CHR will not have its PV-HVM drivers added for XEN, use non-para virtualized environment instead.
That would make it useless for XenServer setups. XenServer/XenCenter won't allow live migration of HVM machines until XenTools are installed. XenTools (or open-vm-tools) are not available to install on RouterOS.
 
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Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:31 am

Maybe I did read this all too quickly and missed something, but can anyone explain me, how this VM is different from any x86 MikroTik I can setup on, say, VMWare ? Okay, this has 1Mbit limit per interface, anything else ?
 
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A. Has more modern supported devices
B. Is more virtualization friendly
C. Free version is limited to 1Mb per interface
D. Limitations will be removed when you pay monthly fee - cost and start date not decided yet
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64bit, all the latest drivers and VM tools
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Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:01 pm

normis, any word on when we might be able to get a trial license w.o the 1mb restriction?
would like to see how mikrotik handles 56gbe and 100gbe interfaces.

thanks.

also side note windows 10 hyper-v works fine with chr on the current insider preview build (10532)
 
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Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:27 pm

normis, any word on when we might be able to get a trial license w.o the 1mb restriction?
would like to see how mikrotik handles 56gbe and 100gbe interfaces.
Mikrotik answered this 3 weeks ago -
All the details of the licensing scheme are not yet known or cannot be disclosed. For now, you have limitations of Free tier - that is 1MBps of throughput.
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Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:32 pm

We are still discussing how this will work on the server and in the RouterOS interface. Managing lots of such subscriptions is not easy. Let's say you have 30 paid subscriptions and 50 trials for 100Mbit and 20 1mbit free ones, and now want to upgrade 10 to 1Gbit and cancel 20 subscriptions :D
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Any news for XenServer users? The following is still valid for 6.32 on XenServer6.5:
Will this work on XenServer 6.5? I imported the vmdk, gave it 512Mb RAM and got the following error while booting.

Booting Kernel Failed: Invalid argument

Is there something special I need to do?

Image
Exactly the same for me.
I've tried under Debian with Xen4.0 and Xen4.1, HVM mode
what is strange, it would like to start linux, but if i press [tab] it says "system"
 
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Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:37 pm

We are still discussing how this will work on the server and in the RouterOS interface. Managing lots of such subscriptions is not easy. Let's say you have 30 paid subscriptions and 50 trials for 100Mbit and 20 1mbit free ones, and now want to upgrade 10 to 1Gbit and cancel 20 subscriptions :D

makes sense and well aware of the fact it was "answered" i was asking if their was any new updates to it....
subscriptions will be hard to do but in terms of full copies witch im interested in it shouldn't be much different than what is currently used correct?
 
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xen update - in our tests we are running XEN 4.4.1 and there is problem that if you give image file directly guest will not boot up. There is a workaround - you have to run the image for example, in KVM ($kvm chr-6.33rc10.img) and then stop when KVm reboots. After that you will be able to boot this same image as a XEN DOMU
 
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So excited about this! can't wait to run it on my AWS deployment

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Hi,

Great that Mikrotik likes to sold Virtual Appliances of they impressive RouterOS. However, the current version of RouterOS CHR lacks the "open-vm-tools". Without this package (I suggest to deploy it as a "package" if someone don't likes to install it) it's impossible to use this vApp in a production environment. The connection between the Hypervisor and the guest VM is a must have for shutdown the vApp. Please, add it in the next version (in the core or as package).

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We are releasing a test version of an exciting new feature - Cloud Hosted Router (CHR).

Those are not installers, but ready disk images.
Please, don't post screenshots of wokstation virtual hypervisors, I suggest to post: "config values" for create the Virtual Machine. For example:

* Create VM for ESXi:

- CPU: 1 core
- GuestOS: Other 64bit
- RAM: 256MB (can be less?)
- HD: Connect as IDE (or SCSI) the VMDK image
- NIC1: e1000 (for management only)
- NIC2: VMXNET3 (ether1, first real port "WAN")
- NIC3: VMXNET3 (ether2, second real port "LAN")
- NIC4: VMXNET3 (ether3, third real port "DMZ")
- NIC5: VMXNET3 (ether4, four real port "OPT")
- No USB
- No Audio
...

So this is more clear and easy to use.
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Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:30 am

We are releasing a test version of an exciting new feature - Cloud Hosted Router (CHR).

Those are not installers, but ready disk images.
Please, don't post screenshots of wokstation virtual hypervisors, I suggest to post: "config values" for create the Virtual Machine. For example:

* Create VM for ESXi:

- CPU: 1 core
- GuestOS: Other 64bit
- RAM: 256MB (can be less?)
- HD: Connect as IDE (or SCSI) the VMDK image
- NIC1: e1000 (for management only)
- NIC2: VMXNET3 (ether1, first real port "WAN")
- NIC3: VMXNET3 (ether2, second real port "LAN")
- NIC4: VMXNET3 (ether3, third real port "DMZ")
- NIC5: VMXNET3 (ether4, four real port "OPT")
- No USB
- No Audio
...

So this is more clear and easy to use.
Regards.
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Just like some people prefer Winbox over CLI, some people have no idea how to use the values you posted. Advanced users don't need instructions at all.
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Any plans to add fake/dummy wlan interface? I'd like to use chr for script testing and I need to read/write wlan properties.
 
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does anyone get image to run on esxi 6.0.0 as my image keeps telling me full
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Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:16 pm

Hi, everybody i cannot make it to work.

When i am trying to connect to the console of the router i am getting the following error

127.0.0.1:2001 network error:connection refused

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Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:53 pm

what about support for AWS? having the ability to leverage routeros in the cloud is a great step forward as more and more companies embrace the cloud and "infrastructure as code", routeros is a perfect solution.

I would expect to see an unlimited "version" just like there is for x86 or ppc devices

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Just like some people prefer Winbox over CLI, some people have no idea how to use the values you posted. Advanced users don't need instructions at all.
Ok! But, please, remember to include "open-vm-tools" in next release! :wink:
 
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Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:49 pm

Hi,
Can someone help me figure out why my VirtualBox just shuts down the VM all of a sudden? I can barely reach the login prompt.

Vbox 4.3.30 on OpenSUSE 13.1

I did all the steps in the first post using the .vmdk image, except for setting up Acceleration to KVM, there is no such option in my Vbox.
 
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Can't connect with winbox.

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That is most likely a VM software config issue. Depends on how you set up your virtual NIC and how it is connected to the host PC.

VirtualBox has NAT by default, configure it to use Bridge or reconfigure your network accordingly
Set an IP and login via IP v4 or v6

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what about support for AWS?

coming. (XEN HVM)
 
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xen update - in our tests we are running XEN 4.4.1 and there is problem that if you give image file directly guest will not boot up. There is a workaround - you have to run the image for example, in KVM ($kvm chr-6.33rc10.img) and then stop when KVm reboots. After that you will be able to boot this same image as a XEN DOMU
Hm. If we use Xen, we don't use KVM - what is a different hypervisor.
Also, i copy the content of the image file into (LVM)partition, and not start the file itself (but that's not important, i'm pretty sure)
 
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Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:57 pm

Hi,
Can someone help me figure out why my VirtualBox just shuts down the VM all of a sudden? I can barely reach the login prompt.

Vbox 4.3.30 on OpenSUSE 13.1

I did all the steps in the first post using the .vmdk image, except for setting up Acceleration to KVM, there is no such option in my Vbox.
I just updated Vbox to 5.x version from the official linux repo. I now, have the "KVM" option under "Acceleration" tab and it works, VM starts and run.

I still have some issue with the VM going to "black screen" and the RouterOS shutting down though, happens randomly.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:41 am

if CHR stops right after the boot - you have to make sure that you have exposed virtualization bit to the CHR. Without it it will just shutdown. And in logs you will see that it is proper shutdown and nothing is wrong with the guest itself.
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:52 am

In addition to the other issues regarding XenServer (Xen) metering used memory, disks, network, live migration or even shutting down the CHR will not work (only force shutdown). The tools must be installed to get this working.

Personally I think it would be great to get CHR working in XenServer environments. With XenServer you get great functionality for free (and it’s easy to deploy). XenServer with CHR instances in combination with the MikroTik hardware would be a very powerful virtualization environment.
Any news for XenServer users? The following is still valid for 6.32 on XenServer6.5:
Will this work on XenServer 6.5? I imported the vmdk, gave it 512Mb RAM and got the following error while booting.

Booting Kernel Failed: Invalid argument

Is there something special I need to do?

Image
Exactly the same for me.
I've tried under Debian with Xen4.0 and Xen4.1, HVM mode
what is strange, it would like to start linux, but if i press [tab] it says "system"
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:56 pm

you can already use it for tests. As the only limitation is the throughput. And in some cases you have to do a workaround that you have to start it in VirtualBox or KVM and shut-down after initial installation.
 
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Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:39 pm

Hello, I've encountered the following issues with CHR:

1.- On BGP print advertisements, it won't show iBGP advertised prefixes, even though the route is installed in the routing table.
2.- BGP also mixes sometimes the names of peers on the advertisement section, for instance a router with 2 eBGP sessions will show the prefixes but it'll say that prefixes from peerA are learnt via peerB.
3.- On MPLS (LDP), you can see the neighbouring happening, all the routes getting installed and the corresponding labels shown, however if you try to send traffic inside the MPLS network, no MPLS tags are used (tested using wireshark), it behaves as if it had no MPLS functioning.

Anyone else got these issues? I'm using the latest image (6.32)
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Dear,
Can the Cloud Hosted Router itself be a Virtual Router with KVM?
I suppose this will depend in the future on the hosted provider.
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Yes it can. I'm using it in both KVM and QEMU.
I suppose you didn't get me wel.
You take a Cloud Hosted router and this Router itself will be the KVM for 2 other RouterOS systems.
 
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Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:41 pm

you can already use it for tests. As the only limitation is the throughput. And in some cases you have to do a workaround that you have to start it in VirtualBox or KVM and shut-down after initial installation.
well, not only with thruput.
The thruput is much limited (around 100 to 200mbps in my scenario) while VM fully use the shared CPU core.

Comparing linux VM, what can load ~950mbps with max 30% cpu usage in VM.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:37 am

Im sorry is this has already been asked, but i can't see it.

Are the Hyper-V integration components going to be added to the CHR?

I have it up and working on the Hyper-V server no problems, but there is no ability shutdown the VM cleanly from the host. Without this, it will make the host wait 15 min for a reboot.
 
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:40 am

Im sorry is this has already been asked, but i can't see it.

Are the Hyper-V integration components going to be added to the CHR?

I have it up and working on the Hyper-V server no problems, but there is no ability shutdown the VM cleanly from the host. Without this, it will make the host wait 15 min for a reboot.
Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but RouterOS does not require a clean shutdown. Power off. It doesn't even support shutdown, since it will reboot rather than stay off.
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Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:34 pm

I doesn't matter if the system inside the VM do not care about unclean shutdowns. The host systems do care, because they have to. They wait for signals of clean completed tasks and providing timeouts is only a fallback for unresponsive VM and shouldn't be the normal case. It's their job to provide a clean working environment and RouterOS should be so kind to tell them that all is okay. That means support for openvm/hyper-v/you-name-it tools is needed.
 
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Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:29 pm

Not needing a clean shutdown is great (it logs it tho.) but like above, the host will wait for it. It's not a super huge issue, but it would be great it one day it was added. It would allow for a quicker reboot of a host. And if that host is running the only router, shutting down before the host isn't an option.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:32 pm

there is new thread to ask what features from different tool packages you want CHR to support. We will try to make CHR react to those.
here is the link: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=101204
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:36 pm

Hello!

I understand why this system has been made for licensing, but it creates some inconvenience honest users.

I always used to VMvare licensed images RouterOS installed from the official ISO-image and licensed later donation for conferences and training licenses L4 or L5 purchased. I was enough for my purposes, and all the virtual routers have a unique license honest.

What do I do in this case with a new licensing system? I can somehow convert classic license RouterOS license CHR provided that I can confirm their purchase through a personal account?


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Я понимаю зачем была сделана эта система лицензирования, но она создает некоторое неудобство честным пользователям.

Я всегда использовал в VMWare лицензионные образы RouterOS, установленный с официального образа ISO и лицензированные позже даренными за конференции и обучения лицензиями L4 или же купленной L5. Мне этого было достаточно для моих целей и все виртуальные роутеры имели честную уникальную лицензию.

Что мне делать в таком случае с новой системой лицензирования? Я могу как-то конвертировать классические лицензии RouterOS в лицензии CHR при условии, что я могу подтвердить их покупку через личный кабинет?
 
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Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:03 pm

no answers can be given to you at this moment regarding licensing. We have in mind that there are a lot of users already using virtualization. In worst case cenario - nothing will change for you and you will be able to use virtualization services like you did before we started developing CHR.
 
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Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:18 am

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thaks for CHR and my question is when will be on market the payd version of CHR? I need it now for one project.
 
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Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:40 am

we are working on the licensing policy and pricing. No details yet for the public.
 
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Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:07 am

Can you comment on a timeframe for availability? not a release date, more like "planned in Q1 2016"... for planning. I really want to get rid of a certain virtual VPN endpoint ;)
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:19 am

Can you comment on a timeframe for availability? not a release date, more like "planned in Q1 2016"... for planning. I really want to get rid of a certain virtual VPN endpoint ;)

Yes this, hanging out on pricing...

I have a project on hold to replace my current ROS VM's with either handmade or other 3rd party, the driver 10G or vmxnet3 capable images
 
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Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:05 am

It's a good news now we can customize router from mobile :D
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Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:01 pm

I had problems adding CHR_6.32 to GNS3. It wont start. Maybe it's something related to my HW, but CHR_6.31 works flawlessly out of the box
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:48 pm

Hello everyone!
This is my first post in this forum.

I am a fan and enthusiastic of routerboards and RouterOS Amazon and Azure.

I did some testing with RouterOS running within a virtual box on top of a vm azure windows and I was very disappointed with the limitations.

I was very pleased to see the CHR running both Hyper-V 2012 (not R2) and as a full VM azure just exporting the vhd to my storage account

Besides not having to do double virtualization (with deadlock risks) there are also the benefits of no double nat.

The only disappointment (with azure, not to chr) was the ILPIP (level instance public ip) is associated via NAT to my private ip unlike the Amazon EC2 that assigns the real public ip to the interface. My next step is to attempt to install on an instance ec2

I believe that the CHR has a great future in cloud environments and can easily replace the native VPN solutions such providers that limit the use ipsec just being difficult to deploy connections where you have a dynamic IP on the client side.

Sorry for my english!

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Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:28 am

Nice One!
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:26 pm

Any new image for 6.33.vmdk? :)
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:53 pm

Hi

Will CHR fix the issue of VRRP not working in VMWare, unless you turn on promisc mode for that interface ?
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:10 am

you have to run interface in promiscuous mode if you want to run VRRP on the interfaces.
 
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:40 am

I have been hosting cloud hosted ROS since 2010. Paid for the licenses L4&L5 but, is it possible to upgrade to CHR?
Currently we only offer the 1Mbit limited version, if you don't need higher sped, just use this image. In future we will offer subscriptions, but I don't think there will be any migration between old license and new.
Hi,

That means if I try to make a bandwith-test, the speed will be limited to 1mbit?

Are you thinking in offer the service as a SaaS? Could be good.

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Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:40 am

you have to run interface in promiscuous mode if you want to run VRRP on the interfaces.
But that causes its own problems.

Its possible to run with out promisc mode but must use different macs
 
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:07 pm

Guys, on the Hyper-V side, you NEED to implement synthetic NIC drivers:

VMBus Network Controller Drivers: Two types of network adapters are available in a virtual machine running on the Hyper-V Server: a legacy network adapter and VMBus network controllers. VMBus network controllers are available only if you have installed LIS. A VMBus network controller uses the Network VSC, running on the Linux virtual machine, to communicate with the Network VSP running on the Hyper-V host. The Hv_netsvc driver provides support for VMBus network controllers.

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Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:12 pm

In Hyper-V:
If anyone gets the "bug" that the CHR reboots after setting up SSH keys, please note you have to remove your synthetic NIC and install a "Legacy" NIC.
To save you the time from converting .img to .vhd, here is a download link:
http://home.varlyakov.com:5000/fbsharing/sJOHoXEC
 
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:37 pm

So I previously purchased a x86 lvl 6 license and run it in VMware. Can I convert this to a CHR license and decommission this one?
 
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:55 pm

As it currently stands, this "Cloud Hosted Router" is really more like "RouterOS VM Edition".
Well yes, for now :)
Support for Amazon or other services is planned.

What purpose it will serve if hosted in Cloud? Will it be used for VPN or as NTP server? :?
 
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:32 am

As it currently stands, this "Cloud Hosted Router" is really more like "RouterOS VM Edition".
Well yes, for now :)
Support for Amazon or other services is planned.

What purpose it will serve if hosted in Cloud? Will it be used for VPN or as NTP server? :?
yes,as examples, it can also function as a firewall for your server in EC2 ...
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:34 am

In Hyper-V:
If anyone gets the "bug" that the CHR reboots after setting up SSH keys, please note you have to remove your synthetic NIC and install a "Legacy" NIC.
To save you the time from converting .img to .vhd, here is a download link:
http://home.varlyakov.com:5000/fbsharing/sJOHoXEC
in our tests there are no issues using either of the interfaces provided by Hyper-V with CHR image. Would like to get more details of your setup.
 
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:26 pm

@janisk

Okay, so I was testing it on our pre-prod environment which is on standard Windows 8.1 (client Hyper-V).

Deployed the .vhd after converting the .img file to .vhd using VirtualBox management CLI - VBoxManage.

Systeminfo:
OS Name: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro
OS Version: 6.3.9600 N/A Build 9600
OS Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
OS Configuration: Standalone Workstation
OS Build Type: Multiprocessor Free
X64 installation, patched last tuesday (up to date)

On our prod environment - Windows server 2012 R2, the issue is not present. I am unable to test Windows 10 at the moment, maybe someone else could do that.

Do you need any additional information ?
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:42 pm

I have tested CHR on Windows 10 just now. Running 6.31.
I only see my legacy network adapter, not the normal one.
Another issue I noticed is that when I check for updates, it tells me that version 6.33.1 is available and after download and reboot it tries to install but the VM keeps rebooting.

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Another thing I just came accross.
I have 2 versions of CHR images available 6.31 and 6.32
After conversion from img to VHDX (I don't know whether VHD vs. VHDX would matter) 6.31 starts ok, but only with the "Legacy Network interface"
6.32 has the same reboot issue as the 6.31 updated to 6.33.1
Testing setup with: 2 x RB750UP | 2 x RB750GL | 1 x RB951G-2HnD | 1 x RB2011UiAS-IN
 
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Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:06 am

Any more thoughts on when this will be ready for EC2?
 
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Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:18 am

you can use this on EC2. It is just not jet available as an AMI provided by us.

We will check what is going on on Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 and normal Hyper-V interface.
 
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We will check what is going on on Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 and normal Hyper-V interface.
That would be nice!!
Hope to hear some possible solutions soon!
Testing setup with: 2 x RB750UP | 2 x RB750GL | 1 x RB951G-2HnD | 1 x RB2011UiAS-IN
 
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Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:15 pm

Hello,

is it possible, to get some time limited version (until stable version is released), without bandwidth limitation? I'd like to start testing in production environment, but 1 mbps is too low :(. It would by useflull, to remove limitation, until stable version is released.


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Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:09 pm

you can use this on EC2. It is just not jet available as an AMI provided by us.

We will check what is going on on Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 and normal Hyper-V interface.
Importing the raw file into EC2 with their cli tools?

http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/lates ... Image.html
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:37 am

Trying to manually import this into EC2 with their CLI tools, since it appears that's the only way to do it at this point. I've tried the import with both the raw .img and the vmdk.

Getting this error for the raw .img version:
Client.Unsupported: No bootable partition found. (Service: AmazonEC2; Status Code: 400; Error Code: Unsupported;

When trying the vmdk, I'm getting this:
ERROR: File uses unsupported compression algorithm 0

Below, is the CLI command we're trying to use to get it imported:
ec2-import-instance chr_6_32.vmdk -t ts.micro -f VMDK -a x86_64 -z AWSREGION --subnet subnet-ID -b AWSS3Bucket -o USERID -w USERKEY

We've tried both x86_64 and i386 as the architecture flag without change.

Using this set of instructions from Amazon: http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/lates ... tance.html
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:00 pm

prepare image locally first , then do the import as AMI, then you can start instances.

Also, before you try to build image - start it in KVM so it installs itself and shutdown on reboot. After that bundle-image, upload to , create AMI and start instanced from that ami.
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:20 pm

Thanks for the feedback Janis. What tool do you use to prepare the image locally first and export into an AMI format?
 
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Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:12 am

Janis stated what tool to use - use KVM.

1. Load the image in KVM
2. Start it
3. After it installs, shut down the appliance
4. Upload to AWS using your command.

This should work.
 
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bump for: Can you comment on a timeframe for availability? not a release date, more like "planned in Q1 2016"... for planning.
 
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Hello,

Is there a way to use switching functionality CHR ?
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"switch" is about hardware functionality. This menu should be removed on CHR, I think
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"switch" is about hardware functionality. This menu should be removed on CHR, I think
It appears that the person is asking for us to add such "virtual switch", it is not there currently, because you are right, Switch is a hardware feature
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"switch" is about hardware functionality. This menu should be removed on CHR, I think
It appears that the person is asking for us to add such "virtual switch", it is not there currently, because you are right, Switch is a hardware feature
Normis and Pavel, you're right!

Normis, It would be interesting to have the functions of switching, even if it is virtual, so we can study the functions it offers.

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Hi folks....I pulled down the VM images and Hyper-V gets an IMPORT FAILED!

A server Error occurred while attempting to import the virtual machine.

Import failed.

Import failed. Unable to find virtual machine import files under location "D:\xfer\Mikrotik\VM\". You can import a virtual machine
only if you used Hyper-V to create and export it.

I am successfully running two VMs under Hyper-V one from Watchguard for their Dimension server and a w10-32bit image running other Watchguard management tools as well as the Dude windows x86

So how does one get this running please?

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I don´t understand that 1Mbit limitation. It is only usefull to see if it runs or not.
For testing I would be much more happy with the 24h test-version (or even less time), to see how it performs compared to the "old" virtualized x86 version.
 
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Andreas, we will have a 60 day trial without the speed limit.
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take 2 - please

Hi folks....I pulled down the VM images and Hyper-V gets an IMPORT FAILED!

A server Error occurred while attempting to import the virtual machine.

Import failed.

Import failed. Unable to find virtual machine import files under location "D:\xfer\Mikrotik\VM\". You can import a virtual machine
only if you used Hyper-V to create and export it.

I am successfully running two VMs under Hyper-V one from Watchguard for their Dimension server and a w10-32bit image running other Watchguard management tools as well as the Dude windows x86

So how does one get this running please?

Thanks leon
 
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Andreas, we will have a 60 day trial without the speed limit.
Hello. How can I get a 60 day trial without the speed limit? Can I upload the configuration when the trial license is used?
 
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Andreas, we will have a 60 day trial without the speed limit.
Hello. How can I get a 60 day trial without the speed limit? Can I upload the configuration when the trial license is used?
+1

please, release trial version asap. I want to get rid of my "lots of RBs thrown in rack" and start virtualization.
 
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any day now
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Normis can u please answer my question on hyperv?

Thanks leon

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:55 pm

Hi,

I'm having a issue with package IPv6. When I enable it in CHR 6.32 using Qemu, the router crashes. Somebody else with the same problem?

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:44 am

Today you can start to get CHR trial licenses (currently no paid options) to try out different licensing tiers that will become available for purchase later. To try that you have to have an account on mikrotik.com and you can fetch trial license directly from the router. To try this you have to have at least CHR image based on RouterOS 6.34rc19 available from our download page:
http://www.mikrotik.com/download

select release-candidate option to see available images.

Also, these are not importable virtual machines these are just disk images.

To get the trial:
'/system license renew' and then fill in required fields of account password, account name and license level.

Currently, there are trials for perpetual licenses p1, p10 and p-unlimited, 1 and 10 stands for transfer speed limit of 1 and 10 Gbps. Unlimited is just that, unlimited.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:22 pm

thank you for nice Christmas present :). I'm going to test in production immediately.
 
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:25 pm

My understanding was that there would be subscription-based and perpetual license options available.

I suppose my question is, "If we purchase a perpetual license, will the router need to be in periodic contact with MikroTik's licensing servers ?"

The current license model works well for us in that only the client running Winbox needs to have Internet access and if we need to fiddle with licenses, we don't need to open holes in firewalls to allow routers to talk directly to an outside network - we simply get a new license from MikroTik and the client does all of the communication on the routers' behalf.

If the perpetual license does not require the router to be in contact with MikroTik's licensing servers, you will certainly have custom from us.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:35 pm

Yes, including Perpetual licenses. "system license print" will show you the time left until the device needs to contact MikroTik. After that time runs out, you will not be able to upgrade RouterOS, but nothing will stop working.

The router will never stop working, regardless of license type or connectivity issues, there will be just some limitation after 2 months after the last license renewal.
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:54 pm

The router will never stop working, regardless of license type or connectivity issues, there will be just some limitation after 2 months after the last license renewal.
My problem is that the manual tells a different story:
p-unlimited

The p-unlimited (perpetual-unlimited) license level allows to run CHR indefinitely. It is highest tier license and it has no limitations enforced.
If we purchase a perpetual license, I expect it to work 'as sold' perpetually and as the license text above says, 'no limitations enforced'.

A p-unlimited license should never need to be upgraded and should never ever have limitations once it has been validated and activated by MikroTik.

Please clarify whether a p-unlimited licensed CHR would be impacted by the requirement to remain in contact with a MikroTik licensing server.

For background here, we have a number of MikroTik devices performing firewalling as Layer 2 bridges and as such, they have IP connectivity for the purpose of management but not for the purpose of talking to the Internet; temporarily configuring them to have access to the Internet and activating them with MikroTik's licensing servers as a one-time provisioning exercise is perfectly acceptable but to enforce that this would be required on an ongoing basis makes it difficult for us to justify CHR and we would rather just keep using RouterOS x86.

I would be happy to buy p-unlimited licenses for all CHR instances that we may deploy if it can be guaranteed, that apart from initial activation, we will never ever ever be bothered by any licensing or activation process ever again.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:56 pm

Limitations in this context means "Speed limitations", because the tiers are speed based.

P1 = 1Gbit speed limitation
P10 = 10Gbit speed limitation
PU = No speed limitation

Like I said, it is not required to contact the Licensing server. Your installation will keep working. Only RouterOS upgrade will not be possible, but if you have no connectivity, that is not possible anyway, or you can organize access when you need to do the upgrade every 6 months or so.
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:26 pm

I just received the email about RouterOS v6.34 RC (The Dude and CHR) and downloaded CHR VMDK :D


I uploaded the VMDK to my ESXi host and created a VM out of it. After that i have exported the VM to an OVF file and uploaded it to a Hosted "VMware vCloud Platform" After the import the template seems to be working fine and the router is working in my Cloud 8)

- Will there be a vApp template in the future? So i don`t need to create the OVF myself
- The VMXnet3 NIC seems to be working but there is no driver listed under System -> Drivers for VMXnet3?
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:36 pm

maybe special CHR with Dude pre-installed will come as virtual guest configuration. The CHR in general, is thought to have different configurations.
 
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:38 pm

Like I said, it is not required to contact the Licensing server. Your installation will keep working. Only RouterOS upgrade will not be possible, but if you have no connectivity, that is not possible anyway, or you can organize access when you need to do the upgrade every 6 months or so.
We have working IP connectivity to all MikroTik devices on our network.

However, these devices do not have a defaultroute and hence, they have no IP connectivity to the outside world but we can still upload an .npk to these devices and reboot them.

We will likely buy a p-unlimited license to see exactly what is, what is not possible, put the clock forward by two months between reboots and perform a RouterOS upgrade to see precisely what the impact would be.

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Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:21 pm

Hello,

I just successfully upload the MikroTik CHR image to Amazon Web Services (AWS) and it works perfectly as router/firewall for the Amazon VPC.

The only problem is that I tried to apply the free trial P-Unlimited license but it did not work. It keeps saying free license and 1 Mbps Rx/Tx.

Is the trial license working properly?
. Here are some images:

Image

Image

Image

Best regards.
 
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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:23 pm

vm type gen 2

hyper-v image is also broken no boot.
chr-6.34rc19

tryed with and without secureboot enabled.
12-9-2015 8-22-05 AM.png
was able to generate a gen 1 image from the vmdk and it loades w/o issues.
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:31 pm

I try to install RouterOS in VULTR, they don't allow to upload images and the ISO also not run as the disk is not detected (virtio disk driver).

It's possible to get a ISO with the Virtio disk driver? or how to install in this case?

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Re: Cloud Hosted Router

Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:25 pm

I'm having trouble starting the .vmdk image on ESXi 6.0.

Starting it default give me a not enough space error so I tried to increase the size of the disk. I tried both from edit settings in Vsphere Client and from command line with vmkfstools -X 1G /vmfs/volumes/SSD/ISOs/chr-6.34rc19.vmdk.

After resizing it, I get this error when I try to start the VM :

VMware ESX cannot find the virtual disk "/vmfs/volumes/5606714d-8b1e47aa-57e9-000bab5d3512/ISOs/chr-6.34rc19.vmdk". Verify the path is valid and try again.
 
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:50 pm

Hello,

I just successfully upload the MikroTik CHR image to Amazon Web Services (AWS) and it works perfectly as router/firewall for the Amazon VPC.

The only problem is that I tried to apply the free trial P-Unlimited license but it did not work. It keeps saying free license and 1 Mbps Rx/Tx.

Is the trial license working properly?
. Here are some images:

Image

Image

Image

Best regards.

can confirm as well was on p-10 can not upgrade to p-unlimited.after hitting generate new id can get p unlimited.

also testing on hyper-v seems max throughput is 4.2 gbps

will continue testing.
 
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:23 pm

Looks good - Now I am just waiting for the licensing to be enabled for purchase. Will there be any way to convert prepaid standard keys (level 4/5/6) to a CHR equivalent license?
 
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:34 pm

Instead fixing bugs, Mikrotik trying to sale the air. I use RouterOS as ESXi guest for over 3 years without stupid 1Mbit limitations.
 
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:44 pm

downloaded the raw img added 1G converted to vmdk built using vmxnet3 and paravirtual drivers crashed our host controller running VMware ESXi 5.1.0... yes we need to upgrade...
 
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:32 pm

can perform updates for stable release?
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:32 pm

but did anyone from you try the CHR image on Xen ?
I tried few times with few versions of CHR image and still get problem... it hangs on boot, same as someone posted allready screenshot.

I tried to import vmdk image with and without OS fixup that xen server import wizard offers.

Also just to tell you that all versions of x86 ROS works perfectly with same XenServer cluster that I have.

XenServer is version 6.5 but I also tried before pool upgrade when it was XenServer 6.2

Does anyone have some idea?

Normis did you even tried CHR and Xen in your lab because it is here in Europe popular platform Citrix Xen, and I know a lot of people who would use it instead Cisco Nexus virtual appliance just if it could boot and run stable in their virtualised infrastructure...

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Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:39 am

I tested 6.34rc18 vmdk image on esxi 5.1.0 last night and it crashed the entire host.

I won't be attempting to replicate as its a production host.
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:46 am

Instead fixing bugs, Mikrotik trying to sale the air. I use RouterOS as ESXi guest for over 3 years without stupid 1Mbit limitations.
CHR is essentially fixing bugs and broadening platforms for the x86 architecture. If you want more bandwidth then pay the extremely cheap price it costs to do so (which btw for the 1Gbit license it is the same price the old license would have cost anyway)
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:15 am

If you have a trial licence, say P1 and you want a higher level - just take a new trial. It is not possible to change trial tiers. In future it will be possible to upgrade to any paid tier from any trial tier.
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:16 am

Please send supout file to MikroTik support.
Hello,

I just successfully upload the MikroTik CHR image to Amazon Web Services (AWS) and it works perfectly as router/firewall for the Amazon VPC.

The only problem is that I tried to apply the free trial P-Unlimited license but it did not work. It keeps saying free license and 1 Mbps Rx/Tx.

Is the trial license working properly?
. Here are some images:

Best regards.
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:18 am

CHR is currently available only in release-candidate channel starting from version 6.34rc19
can perform updates for stable release?
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:34 am

Hyper-V gen2 is not supported at the moment
vm type gen 2

hyper-v image is also broken no boot.
chr-6.34rc19

tryed with and without secureboot enabled.
12-9-2015 8-22-05 AM.png
was able to generate a gen 1 image from the vmdk and it loades w/o issues.
 
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Please send supout file to MikroTik support.
Hello,

I just successfully upload the MikroTik CHR image to Amazon Web Services (AWS) and it works perfectly as router/firewall for the Amazon VPC.

The only problem is that I tried to apply the free trial P-Unlimited license but it did not work. It keeps saying free license and 1 Mbps Rx/Tx.

Is the trial license working properly?
. Here are some images:

Best regards.
Hello,

I just send an email to support@mikrotik.com with all the information and supout.rif

Note: I generate new keys and try to apply new free trial license but it did not work.

Ticket# 2015121066000478

Best regards.
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:00 pm

Hi, since there is separate vmdk for vmware, can you please include in this release for vmware also vmware tools and pvscsi driver?
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:53 pm

vm type gen 2

hyper-v image is also broken no boot.
chr-6.34rc19

tryed with and without secureboot enabled.
12-9-2015 8-22-05 AM.png
was able to generate a gen 1 image from the vmdk and it loades w/o issues.
Dear,
When you convert the VHDX file into VHD file it will work with IDE config and Legacy Network Adapter.
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:18 pm

RouterOS CHR, not pppoe-server runs with 31 users or more, it restarts.
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:41 pm

RouterOS CHR, not pppoe-server runs with 31 users or more, it restarts.
if it crashed, it made a "autosupout.rif" file. send it to support
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RouterOS CHR, not pppoe-server runs with 31 users or more, it restarts.
if it crashed, it made a "autosupout.rif" file. send it to support
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:06 pm

is their plan for support at some point?
Hyper-V gen2 is not supported at the moment
vm type gen 2

hyper-v image is also broken no boot.
chr-6.34rc19

tryed with and without secureboot enabled.
12-9-2015 8-22-05 AM.png
was able to generate a gen 1 image from the vmdk and it loades w/o issues.
also after turning the machine off in hyper-v and right clicking export the vm will no longer boot.
attempts to start the services and just restarts. on the orginal vm host.
taking the exported image and putting it on anouther vm host for backup. it will not boot their either.

hypervisor server 2012r2
gen: 1
ros: v6.34rc19
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:32 pm

What does the "upload per interface" limit apply to? Ethernet interfaces or "all" interfaces?
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:55 pm

Re: trouble starting the .vmdk image on ESXi 6.0.

I had the same issue on ESXi 6. For me the workaround was to import the vmdk and start up a VM on ESXi5, and then migrate the VM to and ESXi 6 host.

It might be related to the VMDK format, (i.e. thick or thin etc). I think I've seen this issue before when importing vmdk's from VMware workstation into ESX
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:41 pm

... include in this release for vmware also vmware tools and pvscsi driver?
Pvscsi driver is already included and works fine. The only problem I had, was that vmdk file from MikroTik includes adapter type "ide". VMware Player is happy to change that to pvscsi, but ESXi did not allow me to change it, when I uploaded vmdk file to host. The solution was to convert it:
qemu-img convert -o adapter_type=lsilogic,subformat=monolithicFlat -f vmdk -O vmdk chr-6.34rc19.vmdk chr-6.34rc19-scsi.vmdk
It produces two files, chr-6.34rc19-scsi-flat.vmdk and chr-6.34rc19-scsi.vmdk and ESXi can take those. Adapter type lsilogic is used because qemu-img did not like pvscsi, but it can be changed in ESXi.
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:58 pm

Hi,

I'm having a issue with package IPv6. When I enable it in CHR 6.32 using Qemu, the router crashes. Somebody else with the same problem?

Thanks.
I'm getting this issue as well.

Windows Server 2008 R2
CHR version 6.34rc19
GNS3 ver 1.3.11
Qemu ver 2.4.0 (included version)

If I run the image in Qemu 2.4.93 (the latest build) then it's stable with all packages installed and enabled (well, I didn't install userman)

I would just use Qemu 2.4.93 but it's got a bug in the udp socket netdevice that makes the emulation run VERY slow and eventually crash when used. This is the type of back-end GNS3 makes when you connect an ethernet interface in the network topology, so Qemu 2.4.93 is useless for this....
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Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:16 pm

Glad to see that Mikrotik is heading the could direction , I tried to import the image after installing it in KVM to AWS EC2 but no luck , can some one share how to get to work on EC2? do we have an AMI that we can use ? we have few projects that we need a firewall/router in the could and we had been using Cisco CSR1000V but we would like to move to Mikrotik RouterOS because the Cisco CSR1000V is very expensive and an over kill for what we are using it for .
 
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Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:23 am

I just upgraded the CHR to v6.34rc20 and now i` m unable to login :shock:
 
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Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:53 am

I just upgraded the CHR to v6.34rc20 and now i` m unable to login :shock:
Looks like v6.34rc20 has been removed, back to v6.34rc19 as RC.
 
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Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:35 am

take 3 - please

Normis....I pulled down the VM images and Hyper-V gets an IMPORT FAILED!

A server Error occurred while attempting to import the virtual machine.

Import failed.

Import failed. Unable to find virtual machine import files under location "D:\xfer\Mikrotik\VM\". You can import a virtual machine
only if you used Hyper-V to create and export it.

I am successfully running two VMs under Hyper-V one from Watchguard for their Dimension server and a w10-32bit image running other Watchguard management tools as well as the Dude windows x86

So how does one get this running please?

It looks like you do not support this?

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Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:58 pm

Xen 4.4 Installation steps required.
 
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Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:14 pm

I just upgraded the CHR to v6.34rc20 and now i` m unable to login :shock:
I *tried* to update to 6.34rc20 but I get this error message:

ERROR: not enough disk space, 26.3MiB is required and only 17.2MiB is free

This is on the default VHDX version of 6.24rc19 with The Dude package added and running. The default partition is 64MB - we either need a way to increase the partition size during operation (preferably), or during boot (at a minimum). Clearly the 64MB default will be insufficient when deploying this in a production environment and performing additional package installs and updates.
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