Audience wifi ROS 6 vs 7

Chiara · February 3, 2022, 10:58am

Dear Sirs,
I’ve tried out the new stable Routeros 7 and the v7.2rc2/3, now I get a huge bandwidth decrease with new versions.
My ISP max speed is 70Mbps :

with 6.49 I can achieve the same speed on both 2.4 and 5Ghz.
with 7 I can achieve max 40 Mbps and some android client refuse to connect to 5Ghz without any error in logs.

The only notice I’ve got is this message at startup:

 while running customized default configuration script: bad command name wireless (line 977 column 25)

I’ve tried a complete reset without configuration, but still got the message and bad performance.
So I kindly ask you, shuold I downgrade and keep 6.49 on the router, when will be v.7 really stable?

Thanks, BR

erlinden · February 3, 2022, 11:35am

Your mentioned 70Mbps should be peanuts for the Audience on the 5GHz band.
In the end it always comes down to good configuration, especially out-of-the-box performance can be disappointing.

Can you share your current config (/interface/wireless export)?
Have you tried the Wifi2 package (wifiwave2-7.1.1-arm.npk in the extra package: https://download.mikrotik.com/routeros/7.1.1/all_packages-arm-7.1.1.zip)?

infabo · February 3, 2022, 12:12pm

Out-of-the-box configuration should at least give 70mbps. And when 6.x can easily outperform these 70mbps from the ISP on a default configuration, why should one need to tinker with wifi-configuration on a ROS 7.x - just to get lousy 70mbps right?

gotsprings · February 3, 2022, 12:36pm

A ton of routerOS wireless settings seem to be missing when I put the Wave2 Drivers in using 7.1.1.

But the radio throughput is far and away the BEST I HAVE SEE FROM A MIKROTIK RADIO SERVING WIFI CLIENTS.

Chiara · February 3, 2022, 1:35pm

Thanks for the replies, I’ve already installed all additional packages, here’s export from v7, anyway seems that security profile is disappeared from export action.

# feb/03/2022 14:26:36 by RouterOS 7.2rc3
# software id = S7MW-MLSZ
#
# model = RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD
/interface bridge
add name=bridge1
/interface wifiwave2
set [ find default-name=wifi1 ] channel.band=2ghz-n configuration.country=\
    Italy .mode=ap .ssid=MYSSID disabled=no name=wifi1_2
set [ find default-name=wifi2 ] configuration.country=Italy .mode=ap .ssid=\
    MYSSID-5G disabled=no name=wifi2_5
set [ find default-name=wifi3 ] disabled=yes
/interface list
add name=WAN
add name=LAN
/zerotier
set zt1 comment="ZeroTier Central controller - https://my.zerotier.com/" \
    disabled=yes disabled=yes name=zt1 port=9993
/interface bridge port
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether1 trusted=yes
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether2 trusted=yes
add bridge=bridge1 interface=wifi1_2 trusted=yes
add bridge=bridge1 interface=wifi2_5 trusted=yes
/interface list member
add interface=ether1 list=WAN
add list=LAN
/ip address
add address=192.168.88.100/24 interface=ether2 network=192.168.88.0
/ip dhcp-client
add interface=bridge1
/ip firewall nat
add action=masquerade chain=srcnat
/system clock
set time-zone-name=Europe/Rome
/system identity
set name=Audience
/system ntp client
set enabled=yes
/system package update
set channel=testing
/system routerboard settings
set cpu-frequency=auto

here the v.6:

# oct/20/2021 13:56:54 by RouterOS 6.49
# software id = S7MW-MLSZ
#
# model = RBD25G-5HPacQD2HPnD

/interface bridge
add admin-mac=74:4D:28:F9:1B:A3 auto-mac=no comment=defconf name=bridge
/interface wireless
# managed by CAPsMAN
# channel: 2452/20-Ce/gn(7dBm), SSID: MYSSID, local forwarding
set [ find default-name=wlan1 ] antenna-gain=0 country=no_country_set \
    disabled=no frequency-mode=manual-txpower ssid=MikroTik station-roaming=\
    enabled
# managed by CAPsMAN
# channel: 5180/20-Ceee/ac/P(7dBm), SSID: MYSSID-5G, local forwarding
set [ find default-name=wlan2 ] antenna-gain=0 country=no_country_set \
    disabled=no frequency-mode=manual-txpower ssid=MikroTik station-roaming=\
    enabled
/caps-man interface
add disabled=yes mac-address=00:00:00:00:00:00 master-interface=none name=\
    cap1 radio-mac=00:00:00:00:00:00 radio-name=""
/caps-man security
add authentication-types=wpa2-psk encryption=aes-ccm name=TB passphrase=\
    passphrase
/caps-man configuration
add channel.band=2ghz-onlyn channel.control-channel-width=20mhz \
    channel.extension-channel=XX channel.tx-power=7 comment=defconf country=\
    italy datapath.client-to-client-forwarding=yes datapath.local-forwarding=\
    yes distance=indoors installation=indoor name=cfg-2ghz security=TB ssid=\
    MYSSID
add channel.band=5ghz-a/n/ac channel.control-channel-width=20mhz \
    channel.extension-channel=XXXX channel.tx-power=7 comment=defconf \
    country=italy datapath.client-to-client-forwarding=yes \
    datapath.local-forwarding=yes distance=indoors installation=indoor name=\
    cfg-5ghz-ac security=TB ssid=MYSSID-5G
add channel.band=5ghz-a/n channel.control-channel-width=20mhz \
    channel.extension-channel=XX channel.tx-power=7 comment=defconf country=\
    italy datapath.client-to-client-forwarding=yes datapath.local-forwarding=\
    yes distance=indoors installation=indoor name=cfg-5ghz-an security=TB \
    ssid=MYSSID
/interface list
add comment=defconf name=WAN
add comment=defconf name=LAN
/interface wireless security-profiles
set [ find default=yes ] authentication-types=wpa2-psk,wpa2-eap mode=\
    dynamic-keys supplicant-identity=MikroTik wpa2-pre-shared-key=\
    passphrase
add authentication-types=wpa2-psk comment=defconf disable-pmkid=yes mode=\
    dynamic-keys name=wpsSync supplicant-identity=MikroTik \
    wpa2-pre-shared-key=f351-772e
/interface wireless
set [ find default-name=wlan3 ] antenna-gain=0 band=5ghz-a/n/ac \
    channel-width=20/40mhz-XX country=no_country_set frequency=5745 \
    frequency-mode=manual-txpower mode=ap-bridge security-profile=wpsSync \
    ssid=SYNC-F91BA6 station-roaming=enabled
/ip pool
add name=default-dhcp ranges=192.168.88.10-192.168.88.254
/ip dhcp-server
add address-pool=default-dhcp interface=bridge name=defconf
/user group
set full policy="local,telnet,ssh,ftp,reboot,read,write,policy,test,winbox,pas\
    sword,web,sniff,sensitive,api,romon,dude,tikapp"
/caps-man manager
set enabled=yes
/caps-man manager interface
set [ find default=yes ] forbid=yes
add comment=defconf disabled=no interface=bridge
/caps-man provisioning
add action=create-dynamic-enabled comment=defconf hw-supported-modes=gn \
    master-configuration=cfg-2ghz name-format=prefix-identity name-prefix=\
    2ghz
add action=create-dynamic-enabled comment=defconf hw-supported-modes=ac \
    master-configuration=cfg-5ghz-ac name-format=prefix-identity name-prefix=\
    5ghz-ac
add action=create-dynamic-enabled comment=defconf hw-supported-modes=an \
    master-configuration=cfg-5ghz-an name-format=prefix-identity name-prefix=\
    5ghz-an
/interface bridge port
add bridge=bridge comment=defconf interface=ether2
add bridge=bridge comment=defconf interface=wlan1
add bridge=bridge comment=defconf interface=wlan2
add bridge=bridge comment=defconf interface=wlan3
add bridge=bridge interface=ether1
/ip neighbor discovery-settings
set discover-interface-list=LAN
/interface list member
add comment=defconf interface=bridge list=LAN
add comment=defconf interface=ether1 list=WAN
/interface wireless cap
# 
set caps-man-addresses=127.0.0.1 enabled=yes interfaces=wlan1,wlan2
/ip address
add address=192.168.88.50/24 comment=defconf interface=bridge network=\
    192.168.88.0
/ip cloud
set update-time=no
/ip dhcp-client
add comment=defconf interface=bridge
add disabled=no interface=bridge
/ip dhcp-server network
add address=192.168.88.0/24 comment=defconf gateway=192.168.88.1
/ip dns
set allow-remote-requests=yes
/ip dns static
add address=192.168.88.1 comment=defconf name=router.lan
/ip firewall filter
add action=accept chain=input comment=\
    "defconf: accept established,related,untracked" connection-state=\
    established,related,untracked
add action=drop chain=input comment="defconf: drop invalid" connection-state=\
    invalid
add action=accept chain=input comment="defconf: accept ICMP" protocol=icmp
add action=accept chain=input comment=\
    "defconf: accept to local loopback (for CAPsMAN)" dst-address=127.0.0.1
add action=drop chain=input comment="defconf: drop all not coming from LAN" \
    in-interface-list=!LAN
add action=accept chain=forward comment="defconf: accept in ipsec policy" \
    ipsec-policy=in,ipsec
add action=accept chain=forward comment="defconf: accept out ipsec policy" \
    ipsec-policy=out,ipsec
add action=fasttrack-connection chain=forward comment="defconf: fasttrack" \
    connection-state=established,related
add action=accept chain=forward comment=\
    "defconf: accept established,related, untracked" connection-state=\
    established,related,untracked
add action=drop chain=forward comment="defconf: drop invalid" \
    connection-state=invalid
add action=drop chain=forward comment=\
    "defconf: drop all from WAN not DSTNATed" connection-nat-state=!dstnat \
    connection-state=new in-interface-list=WAN
/ip firewall nat
add action=masquerade chain=srcnat comment="defconf: masquerade" disabled=yes \
    ipsec-policy=out,none out-interface-list=WAN
/system clock
set time-zone-name=Europe/Rome
/tool mac-server
set allowed-interface-list=LAN
/tool mac-server mac-winbox
set allowed-interface-list=LAN

bpwl · February 3, 2022, 2:30pm

I stopped reading after reading V6 , tx-power=7dBm …
7dBm ??? This reduces speed considerably. Do set country Italy , now “no country set” (may be overruled by CAPsMAN), you are on the FCC (US) frequencies.

https://www.sniffwifi.com/2019/12/are-your-aps-transmit-power-still-down.html

freq 2452 (channel 9) you’re sure of this selection???
freq 5745 (channel 149) not allowed in Italy AFAIK.

Chiara · February 3, 2022, 3:11pm

On routeros v.7 the power is managed by the Ap, it isn’t set neither shown. If I put 7 in Tx Power it decrease the signal seen by the clients, right now result in: more power less bandwith.
With v.6 manual set of 7dbm tx power, result in 70Mbps speed and this means it was good for the case.

About country it’s already set on Italy, on both version.
More power isn’t an option, many user nearly and if with v.6 the speed was good with less power, why v.7 should be different?

bpwl · February 3, 2022, 3:46pm

About country it’s already set on Italy, on both version.

Yes, CAPsMAN confuses me. What is actually used ? I’m not a CAPsMAN user.

more power less bandwith.

Should only happen if the client sees a stronger signal than -30 dBm. 7dBm is very low, should be around 14dBm (EIRP = +5dBi antenna gain+ 3 dBi dual chain)

More power isn’t an option, many user nearly

With low power you have lower SNR and lower interface rate, and are using more air-time than needed. No so good for your neighbors also.

I don’t know what’s wrong with ROS 7, but the 7 config is incomplete (export has now different oprions)
Like “/ip firewall nat
add action=masquerade chain=srcnat” is missing the “out-interface-list=WAN”
But as all interfaces are bridged, it does not matter here.

Chiara · February 3, 2022, 4:28pm

CAPsMAN allow to manage multiple distribuited AP devices, was available on v6 and it seems it doesn’t work with wave2 on v7,
Thank you for your advices.
I will open a ticket with support about the incomplete config.
Have a nice day

hecatae · February 4, 2022, 9:46pm

On my Audience I reset it with no default configuration and set it all up manually.

Over 5ghz I get 300 down and 50 up which matches my 330/50 fttp.
2.4ghz is a mixed bag, I’m in the UK with a fixed 20mhz channel 13, I see 100 down and 50 up over 2.4.

I would stop using the default configuration, the audience uses Capsman for the wireless meshing of the second 5ghz.