Newsletter #113 | May 2023

Without 5&6 GHz? In y. 2023? Why bother at all?
Sorry Mikrotik, but I see no use for this.

You have wasted time that you could have spent on fixing problems with existing gear :frowning:

Its only there if you need some basic wifi, dont get your knickers in a twist, if you want wifi look at the AX series, if you want routing this is good value.

Marketing L009 for use with HomeAssistant - not sure how that is possible with only 512 memory?!

Nah. One has to consider also advancement in technology overall. RB3011 was state-of-art router for SOHO when introduced. L009 isn’t, it is more an entry-level device for today’s standards.

But I concur, it does seem odd device. E.g. they market it as rack-mountable device (4 devices in 1U rack space) … but who would want to mount WiFi device inside a rack (which many times makes a pretty good Faraday cage)? And why would somebody want to place 4 2.4GHz APs at the same spot?
If it’s intended to be mounted side by side with RB5009, then this makes some sense, but not whole lot of it … number of wired ports is a bit odd, interconnection between them is odd (well, one could use eth1 only as PoE in then) and again ,why would somebody want to put wireless device inside a rack?

If we’re talking about size format: an 8-port Gbps switch with 2 SFP+ ports for uplink/daisy-chain, all ports connected directly to a decent switch chip, and running ROS (and SwOS if possible) would make a much better companion to RB5009.

One interesting thing is that L009 has a 2.5Gb/s capable SFP slot (not an SFP+).
What kind of SFP modules can take advantage of it ?
What about heat with such 2.5 Gb/s SFP modules ?

That’s what my first impression was, until I looked at the CPU specs. A dual core 800Mhz Arm processor, with possibly better I/O than the one in the hAP ax lite. How usefull will an SFP capable of 2.5Gb be to most home users? Perhaps if they have FTTH and are allowed to bypass the ISP router. But don’t most ISP with FTTH still have copper handoff? I think for most home users the hap ax 2 or hap ax 3 (if 2.5 Gb is needed) would be a better fit.

It will be interesting to see what simultaneous bidirectional iperf through the ether1 to ether2 will be compared to hex (should be better), hap ac 2 (?), hap ax lite, hap ax 2, hap ax 3.

Things in favor of the L009: Console, more ethernet ports (in case no other vlan-aware switches are available). The IPQ-5018 firewall and ipsec results are about identical to the hap ax lite (IPQ-5010)
Things in favor of the hAP ax 2: more RAM, better CPU, lower price (known ipsec and firewall performance, the IPQ-6010 is much better for both than the IPQ-5018 in the L009 or the IPQ-5010 in the hap ax lite)

Neither the hap ax lite or the L009 publish ipsec results, so assume they aren’t worth publicizing.

For a home router, the hap ax 2 still seems to be a the sweet spot (assuming you have other access points, usually the router location isn’t the best place for an access point anyway). If you look at the performance numbers, the hap ax 3 isn’t much different than the hap ax 2 (surprising, since the CPU on the hap ax 3 isn’t throttled down, and it has a 2.5 Gb port too). And wifi isn’t as good on either as a dedicated access point.

I think that either the L009 or the hap ax 2 are more at home in a man cave than in the living room.

L009 is smart home switch with posibility to manage thorough 2,4Ghz nothing more.

I would say it is a good competitor of the EdgeRouter 10x (which is a MediaTek MT7621 with an RTL8367 for the second set of 5 ethernet ports). Both have console ports, 512 MB RAM (but the ER-10X has 512 MB flash, not 128MB) and about the same cpu performance. But it isn’t a competitor to the ER-12 like the RB5009 is. For pure L2 switching, the L009 would be better than the ER-10X (since 8 ports are on one switch, and the mac table is probably larger on the Marvel switch and it probably also supports true jumbo frames (not limited to 2KB like the MediaTek switch ASIC in the MT7621 SoC has) But the L009 has one dedicated router port (ether1), and has an SFP (and only 9 total ports).

MT support told me that all their 10G SFP+ modules will work if forced in 2,5G mode. With exception of S+RJ10 as that requires 10G internal link.
About heat, i would assume it is same as in RB5009, and that one has dedicated 10G SFP+ port. So as L009 comes in the same case cooling should not be issue at all

That one was in our previous newsletter :slight_smile:
https://box.mikrotik.com/f/dda43ce0a0f94f4c84c3/?dl=1

A lot of people asking about the wireless part. This device is a drop-in replacement for our wildly popular RB2011 2GHz AP. It is still (yes, today) one of our best selling devices. There are plenty of use cases for a good RouterOS powered ethernet router with a 2GHz AX WiFi as a bonus on top.

This is not a "new top of the line wireless AP". For that we have hAP and Chateau and other series of devices.

That is exatly one of the usecases im looking forward to use it - cheap way to get more ports ir remote setups. and with 4-in-1U, it is also possible to expand it even more. Usually in the boxes im working in are limited to 4-6U, and just adding 24 port dedicated switch when i’m only few ports short is way to expensive. This way i can add 7, then 7 more and then 7 more and 7 more and still use only the same 1U. at that point i would probably install 24 port 1U switch as single device for easier managment and power usage, but non the less.

At least with L009 we won’t see many questions like “Why do I only get 100Mbps on half my ports?? Is this device broken??” etc

Thanks for sharing this here.

Ooops , missed that newsletter completely. Probably overlooked based on title …
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MikroTik Newsletter February 2022 (#110), no 112 in mailbox (spam filtered ?
All discussions in forum about cAP-ax only ? Didn’t look further.

Chateau AFAIK is only available with LTE (unnecessary cost for our use case), and has 5 ethernet ports. All models in the hAP line only have 4 or 5 ethernet ports. Once you plug in the uplink to the ISP WAN side you’re only left with 3 or 4 LAN ports for the customer network. While that is sufficient for 90% of use cases, but frequently enough it isn’t, and most of those situations the customer usually only needs 1-2 additional ethernet ports, but they also demand dual band wifi.

A potential L009AC model could be priced to be the perfect fit in between a hAP AC2 or AC3 and the RB4011iGS+5HacQ2HnD-IN for someone who needs the performance of the AC2/3 but needs more ethernet ports, without stepping all the way up to the 4011 price. And a future L009AX could do the same thing for the AX2 and AX3 line as a step up before going to a 5009 (which you’re then dealing with dedicated APs, so really more expensive to deploy)

In dual band setup, I would stock the L009AC (and down the road when wave2 is more mature a L009AX), but I won’t be selling any single band L009 routers.

First, thanks for getting the documentation links updated with block diagram, performance test, etc.

Can someone be tasked with updating the Switch Chip Features Introduction documentation to include the 88E6190 switch ASIC?

Maybe all that is required is to add it to one of the existing columns, the way the MT7531 was added to the MT7621 column, e.g. perhaps the 88E66191X (but only if it has the same features, I don’t know).

While they are at it, can one more row be added to the table; a row that shows the Full ethernet MTU that the chip supports. That info is now in another area MTU in RouterOS, but since this limit is often imposed by the switch ASIC, having it in the Switch Chip Features table would make finding the info easier (after looking at the block diagram to determine the switch ASIC involved).

I like the L009UiGS-RM, but the performance does not look so good. Is routing (with firewall) really 10x slower than RB5009?

The performance (same metric) is just a little bit higher than RB2011 and also much worse than RB3011, but I guess it’s because ROS 7 has lower performance and performance tables of older devices are not up to date, right?

This device is underpowered (it has the same CPU as the hAP ax lite, which is marginally faster than the original 600MHz single-core mipsbe CPU in RB2011) and it’s not a drop-in replacement for the RB2011 as it is missing 2 ethernet ports. Still, it looks cool and it supports 48V (which the RB2011 did not). Let’s hope they manage to squeeze a little more performance out of this device with further RouterOS upgrades to make it a success.

i think marketing is backfiring on L009 ,some of us (me included) at first expected to see it as a worthy representative of 2011-3011-4011-5009 Latvian Muscle legendary Router Family when it is far from it

We already have the rb4011 and rb5009

This Red Device first appeals to nostalgia then appeals to be more or less direct replacement of rb2011 (maybe 2011 will be discontinued soon) with some updates

and this is understandable because rb2011 still find buyers, so there is demand for this kind of product and this is the answer