Truely fanless 10Gb switch with routerOS + hardware accceleration [Fixed]

Dear all,

I am presently running a Mikrotik crs312-4c-8xg-rm 10Gb switch.
It is a very good switch except that it is sitting in my living-room and making a lot of noise.

I am also running a CRS2004 router with passive cooling. Fans are present, but never running.

So I would like to change and buy a comparable switch, but completely fanless.
Is the CRS317-1G-16S+RM the only suitable solution in my case?
https://mikrotik.com/product/crs317_1g_16s_rm

The CRS317-1G-16S+RM is not purely fanless as I can see two fans:

Do you confirm fans are never running in a normal situation when hardware acceleration is used?

Kind regards,
FF

If you can get by with 8 10G ports, the CRS309 is fanless.

As per product page:

The unit has dual redundant power supplies and passive cooling case - for hot environments two redundant fans will automatically keep the system cool if needed.

I use these in a datacenter environment and I can see in LibreNMS, that the fans have never spun up.
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The datacenter ambient temperature is 22-24 degrees.

What is the FAN rpm ? Have you checked ?

Perfect, thanks, this is what I need.

CCR 2004 does not have a passive cooling, it has 2 FANs, that is why i was wondering what is the RPM on your CRS so it becomes so noisy as you stated…

From my understanding, the CPU in the 2004 is cooled by the passive/external heatsink

the fans are there to provide airflow to the optical interfaces, and should operate based on the highest inserted modlue temperature.

A device with no Fans has Passive Cooling System…
A device with Fans has an Active Cooling System…

So since both CCR2004 and CRS312 have Fans, the cooling is not Passive.

CRS326 for example that has no Fans, if you see the specs it is stated that the cooling is passive https://mikrotik.com/product/CRS326-24G-2SplusRM#fndtn-specifications
If you check the CRS312 and CCR2004, you will see it has a Fan cooling…

Thanks. I am comparing with the CRS2004 because it has a nice cooler on the back and it really runs silently.

Currently, the crs312-4c-8xg-rm fans are running low:

[xxxxxxx@crs312-4c-8xg-rm] /system/health/settings> /system/health print
Columns: NAME, VALUE, TYPE

NAME VALUE TYPE

0 temperature 40 C
1 cpu-temperature 50 C
2 sfp-temperature 40 C
3 phy-temperature 58 C
4 fan1-speed 4095 RPM
5 fan2-speed 3780 RPM
6 fan3-speed 3930 RPM
7 fan4-speed 3825 RPM
8 psu1-state ok
9 psu2-state ok

But it can blow at high speed at any moment.
CPU and Phy temperatures are too hot.
CPU utilization is only 2 or 3%.

By the way I am running RouterOS latest 7rc.

I suspect it has to do with system architecture. ARM Is always a better choice. I want to get rid of the crs312-4c-8xg-rm …

I am open to any solution to set RPM to zero.

My living-room sounds like a plane landing-off :

$ system health print
Columns: NAME, VALUE, TYPE

NAME VALUE TYPE

0 temperature 40 C
1 cpu-temperature 49 C
2 sfp-temperature 40 C
3 phy-temperature 56 C
4 fan1-speed 6465 RPM
5 fan2-speed 6060 RPM
6 fan3-speed 6285 RPM
7 fan4-speed 6165 RPM
8 psu1-state ok
9 psu2-state ok

As a comparision, on the CCR2004:

@CCR2004-1G-12S-2XS] /system/health> print
Columns: NAME, VALUE, TYPE

NAME VALUE TYPE

0 temperature 65 C
1 cpu-temperature 47 C
2 sfp-temperature 65 C
3 switch-temperature 49 C
4 fan1-speed 0 RPM
5 fan2-speed 0 RPM
6 board-temperature1 44 C
7 board-temperature2 40 C
8 psu1-state ok
9 psu2-state ok

Temperature is comparable, fans are not spinning.
Thank you ARM, this is my point of view.

I am dumping the crs312-4c-8xg-rm on Tuesday morning, unless technical support answers my support questions.

I trashed the Mikrotik crs312-4c-8xg-rm and purchased a Mikrotik ARM switch.
This is way more expansive, but I hope that it will fix fan noise issue.

Of course I don’t recommend buying the Mikrotik crs312-4c-8xg-rm for home use,
unless it is sitting in an isolated lobby, in the garage or in a server room.

I am closing Mikotik support ticket as Mikrotik engineers probably cannot fix this issue (and probably don’t care).

So the issue is fixed and closed.

What Model did you choose now ?

Sorry for my late answer:
I purchased a CRS317-1G-16S+RM
Dual ARM cpu, 16 SFP+ cages, fully accelerated.

Its not fanless though …

On the CCR2004 fans are running idle with those values:
0 temperature 65 C
1 cpu-temperature 47 C
2 sfp-temperature 65 C

Like the CCR2004 but I am confident that fans will remain idle.
I think the switch problem is the non-ARM CPU which needs cooling.

I will report back on Saturday, stay tuned.

Sure, waiting for your news…

The CRS317-1G-16S+ arrived today.
The fans are spinning very fast because of SFP+ temperature (around 77°).
I need to check what is going on … or I will ship it back.

[admin@CRS317-1G-16S+] /system/health> print
Columns: NAME, VALUE, TYPE

NAME VALUE TYPE

0 temperature 77 C
1 cpu-temperature 41 C
2 sfp-temperature 77 C
3 fan1-speed 7785 RPM
4 fan2-speed 7785 RPM
5 psu1-state ok
6 psu2-state ok

Temperature of CRS317-1G-16S+] SFP+ connectors are:

  • fiber : 39 C
  • 10Gb : 76 C
  • 1G: 72 C

Stating Mikrotik documentation:

CPU and SFP temperature

If CPU or SFP temperatures exceed 58C, the fans will start to spin. The higher the temperature, the faster the fans will spin. For devices with PWM fans, as the CPU or SFP temperatures exceed 58C, the fans will linearly increase their RPM to try to keep the temperature at 58C if possible. For devices with DC fans, as the CPU or SFP temperatures exceed 58C, the fans will start spinning but at a higher minimum RPM by default. This may result in cooling the device to the point where the fans turn-off completely. After which the temperature may slowly increase to 58C and the fans will turn on again. Currently, there is one exception. The S+RJ10 modules have a temperature threshold of 65C before they trigger the fans. Since it’s a higher temperature threshold, the fans will start spinning at a higher initial speed to cool the device.

The switch will never run silently …

From my understanding, if I want fans to stop spinning, I need

  • A small fanless 1G swith (my old L2/L3 switch). All 1Gb RJ-45 connectors should go there.
  • A 10Gb switch with only fiber SFP+ modules.
    linked using two SFP connectors with LACP.

End of the story I hope.