Where are Mikrotik & Router OSgoing long term?

Totally disagree - it is incredibly useful for the community to mull over anything they like here before raising it as a new feature. Whether Mikrotik listen is a different issue. My post about upload always going into the root is a perfect example. If, after peer discussion, it's clearly not something anyone else cares about, I wouldn't even bother raising it as a feature request.

I had no idea what VTI was so even somebody mentioning it was useful. Communities thrive by discussion - it's the bedrock of open source. If you're not interested in the topic, stop watching this post.

I am very much interested.

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Well that's where I'm confused.

They seem all over the shop doing many thing.

The rose server thing was a strange one to see. Great to see they are finally getting into higher speeds for the DC.

I'm happy to see wifi7 product finally hitting the shelves (sad none of my users are gonna want to touch em I'll still get one to play with)

I don't know will they stay in the soho smaller businesses which is a shame

With the new announced devices I think that they'll stay.
I've ordered something similar to the new hAP be3 Media (chipset-wise) just to see what other vendors can do with similar hardware regarding wireless features/throughput, and compare with the hAP be3 Media when I'll get my hands on one.

Yes, some of the releases do seem a little unusual. Given the size of the company (anyone know how many employees), they seem to have a lot of products.

If I was a younger man and not heading towards retirement, I'd be very tempted to write a 3rd party cloud controller almost as an exercise. I'm completely out of touch with web development - last web app I wrote was 10+ years ago in ASP.NET. JavaScript based interfaces have come on leaps and bounds since. The frameworks behind Uptime Kuma for example.

Yes, I know - I'm probably underestimating the scale of the issue. The sheer number of products is a big blocker for starters. The testing required would be off the scale! But if they are serious about the SOHO market, then a cloud controller is pretty much given to compete with the likes of Unfi. We've been over this before - Unifi is easier to deploy and manage to the level to which it's designed. Install an extra AP? Plug it into the network and it adopt it. That's all.

Depends, best ask the owners. Follow the $$.
If they want to keep the business, pass it onto kin, sell or simply close shop.
Content matters little in the scheme of things, profits rule.
Ruminating about features/functionality may be fun, but why not write some fiction novels if bored.

On the other hand if you are a paid consultant being asked to research and investigate the viability of MT as an investment vehicle……….. OR, a competitor trying to suss out what functionality to focus on or avoid, I might be asking the same vague questions too. :slight_smile:

Expecting busy MT staff to play your game is rather naive as well. If you are actually serious book a ticket to Latvia, and visit them directly. Bring some large projects to help lubricate their tongues.

Anav your fiction is welcome. But if your not enjoying the conversation don't feel forced to join in. It seems your offended by this conversation and my seeking peoples opinion/ thoughts

It's a shame, you're always welcome to contribute but don't be offended/angry cos I opened a conversation that you view as a waste of time. If people don't want to reply and engage that's fine. I was trying to have a conversation but you started shouting me down because you didn't like the topic and thought it was a waste of time and thought I was shitty on MT. I'm glad to see the fourm is as welcoming as always and now I can see with MY staff don't engage with people being so aggressive and angry. The tone of some people here is truly impressive how rude. Clearly not a place for civil convention and thoughts but then again the Internet hasn't been a place for that in a long time. I just thought this would be a place for people instead in networking.

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Given my users have left MT since they don't listen to feedback and community requests I'm not going to bring anything to MT I'm not deluded enough to think my home network is important to them

Why did they leave?

They didn't have features that are common on other products. Which were needed as the business grew. One example was ecmp bgp which was asked for along time but again ignored. Until recently

I think my take away from the suggestion I go visit MT is that if you're not a big spender then they don't listen. In which case I'm ok with that the community now knows where it stands with requests and engagement

So you promised to your users nonexistent features that you couldn't deliver?
Or what's the story here?
Oh, sorry, missed this:

So MikroTik was cheap enough in order to allow that business to grow big enough so that they could afford buying hardware from bigger vendors? What's the problem here? MikroTik did the job fine as it seems.
Altough one does wonder how big are we talking about, because I know big networks built with MikroTiks and they seem to be doing just fine with the existing features. Maybe different network planning?

No I didn't, the infrastructure was long deployed and their needs grew they asked for a solution that needed ecmp for bgp. The feature didn't exist and there was no evidence of it happening given how long people had been seeking it. So they changed vendor to get what they needed. They are happy with the performance and so have started replacing other bits of MT like wireless. Simply put they outgrew MT and MT didn't seem to be growing in features that many other vendors do out of the box

I'm not saying it's a problem I'm asking for peoples thoughts or fiction as others put it

It's a shame MT aren't adding what is industry standard stuff so quick and by quick I mean not taking like 10 years

I wanted to clarify this because it was pointing to something like "my users left MT because MT did not implement requested features by others for free".
Thanks for clarifying.
See, maybe this is something that should exist in the MikroTik world:
Implement a feature for $$$$

I am ready with $10cdn dollars for amnezia wireguard, $20 for cloudflare zero trust in package, and $30 to add address lists for routing rules. :slight_smile:

Growth ment new hardware for increased capacity.it wasn't expected for free.

It's a shame they refuse to build stuff that is standard for others

I don't think it's strange to ask for features. It's a shame the community are ignored. But that's my opinion and experience. I'd love to see Mt be accepted into bigger spaces but I don't see sadly. I'll keep suggesting them where they are appropriate but I'm seeing less and less of this opportunity for MT

Some sort of address list or prefix list would be great for filtering again others do it out of the box.

I haven't checked but. Matching against an address list would be really nice

Leading edge!? Quite the opposite. :see_no_evil_monkey:

  • wifi-qcom-ac should’ve stayed in Testing and never moved to Stable channel.
  • wifi-mediatek and wifi-qcom (products) are not on par with the competition.
  • wifi-qcom-be (products) need to be seen.
  • CAPsMAN (wifi, wireless) is outdated.
  • A SDN controller is nowhere on the horizon.

My users, albeit a small number asked (two of them but I only have 10 clients) asked me to replace the access points with Unifi because they were easier to install, manage and update. Really was that simple. WinBox is simply not a tool that you'd expect a competent but untrained manager of a small business to use. Compare the instructions for updating on Unifi (logon to website, open devices, click update) compared to RouterOS. Even harder with CAPsMAN where you have to download individual packages and upload to a folder.

It's a crying shame IMO to loose these customers due to a software problem...

RouterOS shines in complex but probably edge cases. But 99% of people (in SOHO) don't need or want that. The just need a router with firewall blocking everything and a handful of access points.