The hardware design is not Mikrotiks Problem.
It will take 2 years to get to the competitors software level…
ROS 6 ist outdated
ROS 7 is not more as an early alpha
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Why does it have to take 2 years? We don’t need Mikrotik’s NV2\3\4 anymore, OFDMA can solve hidden node problem, isn’t it? We only need cheap firmware and Mikrotik’s ROS, to use it as a standart 802.11AX.
correct me, if im not right.
It would be much easier if Mikrotik talked about their products for wisp
You are right, but it will take more then
2 years to bring ROS 7 in the near of Stable, and this issue is a homebrew one, because they are sleeping the last 5 years, Kernel 4 was released in 2015, and now the hole between needed and available ist a big one.
It is impossible to run ax driver in 3.xx kernel.
So the step is needed. Mikrotik AC is missing so much because of Old Kernel…
Every 25€ TPlink is faster then Mikrotik.
Mikrotik WISP has no future
-no Spektrum Analyse
-no gps sync and channel reuse
- no own radios like Airfiber
- speed half then competitors
Currently many MikroTik WiFi devices include IPQ4018 or IPQ4019 chipset. The next generation will probably use IPQ60xx chipset. So when everybody else sells WiFi6E in 2022, MikroTik starts with WiFi6.
Mikrotik drags a lot farther behind than that. What are we at… 6 years on incomplete wifi 5?
Well, with RouterOS 7, MikroTik uses binary drivers from the chipset´s vendor, no more selfmade 802.11 code. So, this problem should be solved in the future.
Finally, maybe we can have spectral scanning in 802.11ac/ax equipment
linux kernel As of version 5.11, they introduced Wi-Fi 6E support to their kernel codes. There will probably be kernel level support like wireguard.lecek.
For those who are complaining about wifi6 etc, I would encourage you watch few REAL reviews (not sponsored) of some “relatively cheap” wifi 6 routers from big brands (including Ubiquiti) for same price range as MikroTik (~$150) and then run similar benchmarks using MikroTik Audience/RB4011 using wifiwave2 impl with wifi 5 and you will see that wifi 6 is not that big thing really and in fact Unifi 6 especially is doing poor job in my opinion (I would not use it, even if cheaper in fact). Also those who complain about MikroTik, I would encourage to read some other forums like Ubiquiti and you will see they are not really so good and many users are suffering really slow performance, for which they have not found the fix yet.
Regarding my tests, I am getting sustained 570Mbit (max 638Mbit recorded) with iperf3 on 2 chain MBP Pro with M1, sitting 2 rooms away from Audience- two walls away, doors shut!
Also tested running full load using iPhone and MBP pro simultaneously, which resulted in total transfer bandwidth of about ~560MBit, so no “capacity” issue for such a home user as I am. I have 7 devices on 5GHz network. Rest is 2.4Ghz (approx 25 devices) or wired (approx 10 devices).
To be clear I am not talking about phy speed, talking about real data transfers measured with iperf.
I know you will say wifi6 is about capacity now, but reality is that most of devices in “crowd” are on 2.4 bands (almost all IoT) while 5/6ghz are only devices like laptops and mobiles, which you have few at home and it is doubtful you are using them all the same time.
Also if anybody is real about gaming/work/movies/audio and using PCs/Xbox/SonyPS/TVs/Streamers they must be using wired connections (for example 10gb switches) and forget about using wifi/power plugs for it.
Simply wifi is for mobile and IoT devices.
Also to be clear, Audience/RB4011 are not commercial wifi devices, from my perspective they are home/very small office (<10 people). Although Audience has more chains than rb4011 so in theory can handle more clients but has less cpu power. Not my worry anyway as capacity is not my problem.
Anybody using office deployments, would probably look for something with more chains/capacity and surely not “cheap” wifi 6 routers.
For me, I do not need anything more than I have now, even having most mobile devices 6Ghz compatible.
Once they will start making 5/6GHz IoT, then it might be a problem indeed, but now and next year or so, no.
It will not happen soon really as higher frequencies has lower walls penetration potential therefore might not be suitable for home robots/appliances/cameras etc.
So absolutely no point for MikroTik to rush with wifi 6, might be better to deliver 6e and skip 6 as it is not worth from my perspective.
Also well done MikroTik on wifiwave2- comes bit late indeed when compared to other producers but it is awesome!
My config:
Audience with 7.1b4 firmware.
Using wifiwave2- wifi3 (QCA9984 chip) with 4 chains.
Channel width: 20/40/80+80.
Great, what lucky guy you are! About 1 year after MikroTik started selling the Audience they showed you grace and offer you a development firmware with first official chipset vendors binary firmware files with 802.11v and 802.11w! I can´t believe how lucky your are…
What about the other poor guys waiting for years for standard features which other “home network” vendors support for years, like complete fast roaming support with IEEE 802.11k, IEEE 802.11r, and IEEE 802.11v, MU-MIMO, … Yes, we are talking about those guys who purchased access points and routers with a current IEEE 802.11ac Wave 2 IPQ40xx chipset only few years ago, but with 16MB of ROM and/or 128MB of RAM which currently will not receive that lucky new MikroTik "WifiWave2 " driver package with chipset´s binary firmware.
802.11ax is not only about capacity but efficiency. Hopefully with the new MikroTik devices with IPQxxxx chipset, MikroTik will reach 800 Mbit/s of TCP down or upload throughput in some years, as well as all other “home network” vendors achieve this throughput nowadays when a client with Intel AX200 and 2x2:2 MIMO @80MHz is connected to their IPQxxxx based access point. Hopefully we will be as lucky as you in this bright “bit late” future someday.
802.11ax is already old news, as 802.11be will be here in a couple years bringing multi-gigabit speeds.
100% agree!
So those complaining that they will not get wifiwave2 because of their device not being capable of it in some way, should buy for example linksys velop which can be very pricey anyway.
They are just like MikroTik adding more features all the time- ON SUBSCRIPTION BASIS!
Like seriously, paying 4$ a month for new revolutionary feature for being able to do dns filtering- feature called child safety!!! Total rip off! And in general velop is complete shit unless you are total noob who just connects the device and uses defaults and if you wish to do anything else than change you wifi name, you need to pay subscription. But if above will not scare you away then regular connection drops surely will. You should try yourself, pure joy. I was battling with it for a year, by restarting it, as there was nothing available to change in settings at all.
I had two velops and I replaced them with single audience.
But this is linksys’ business model. They might be selling you hardware which is more capable than needed at the point of purchase- not charging you extra for this at the point of sale (just assumption, but they are pricy anyway), but rather charge you monthly later should you wish to use it.
How is that any better than MikroTik?
So basically sell your devices on eBay while it still has some value and buy different one. Like Linksys Velop :). Or MikroTik again.
Sorry nannou you dont know shit.
There are stable and dependable wifi5 Access points just as cheap as the capac (TPLINK EAP245) that runs circles around it.
In other words, while MT is perfecting WIFI5, that many have done for a number of years with no extra cost or requirement for services.
By the way as noted that perfection entails making obsolete all the capacs, hapac, hapac2s etc sold in the past and still being sold, because they wont be improved to meet a spec that was met by other vendors probably 5 if not more years ago.
There are many folks here that spends $1000s and $10,000s on equipment and to them its not a laughing matter.
I like your logic. I have the same hardware, but not yet working with the 7 series code.
Isn’t the wifiwave2 still supported in v6.48.1 - stable release, or is v7 code adding that feature?
This hinges on Wave 2 features actually mattering. My case for a cAP ac is to provide about 500 mbps to a single line of sight device, but I’d have multiple cAPs for multiple devices, obviously spaced far enough to not interfere with each other. Wave 2 would just make it better with multiple devices per AP, which isn’t the case with my setup.
Hi Cablenut, I have on house member studying at medschool mostly virtually
a. capac - nothing but issues, especially streaming, not stable, off and on (no amount of troubleshooting made an iota of difference)
b. TPlink eap245, not a single burp even.
So for critical connectivity dont agree.
Putting it in perspective, my current WiFi setup is a lone WD MyNet AC1300, the most no-name AP on the market. (Actually, I also have an Apple Airport Express, but that doesn’t matter right now) WD actually discontinued all their network stuff back in 2014, so it hasn’t seen any updates since 2013, back when draft-AC was the best option. If that can get me a solid 450mbps on a crowded non-DFS channel, I wonder what a cAP ac can do for me with a DFS channel.
Hi,
Warning!
EAP..suffer from .IPv6 vlan leakage. No fix for v1 (and AFIK) nor v3. My old 2.4 TP… leaked L2 from tagged to untagged LAN. Security suffers.