Didnt know that, good thing, i only do IPv4.
And when I do go IPv6, I am convinced that will only be as far as my public IP and the rest of my internal lan will still be IPv4 based so not to worried.
If I am still alive when IPv6 gets jammed down our throats.
1st you should calm down mate
2nd go to apple website and you can buy many products which will never get any update as they are end of life already, but obviously nobody is telling this explicitly.
For example apple just like MikroTik, was selling in 2019 iPods touch which were running up to iOS 12, while already having public beta of iOS 13 which will not work with them- again just like MikroTik.
So I think you have some unrealistic expectations.
No single vendor will pull out all hardware from sale just because they started working on something new, incompatible.
I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.
That’s not how IPv6 works.
Well, how bout this post… sounds like the same sort of crap to me, buy product then pay more to get functionality!!!
re: I can find cheapo 802.11n-only 150mbit routers for $20 USD, so there will always be a market for these older, less desirable things.
Yea , and you can also find old analog-only TVs for for $20 USD.
– Just because it’s cheap and somebody else want’s to get rid of it , does not mean it’s desirable or even wanted in my house.
fyi - I’ve probably thrown out well over 300+ 802.11n-only devices in the last year.
I had to look at a commercial property in Georgetown Washington DC.
I figure with the way the building is built and their use requirements… We are looking at 17 access points. 2 of which need to serve an outdoor area along the main road in the heart of the city.
Standing out front of the building… 84 competing wifi networks came up in my scan. In 2.4.
I won’t even consider trying to build this in Mikrotik wireless. So when we go to design Monday AM… I am not going to explain my self or wait 90 seconds on this… “12-15 thousand dollars. If that gives them sticker shock… Tell them we will not be bidding this. Routing switching wireless and electrical will be more that this… Labor doesn’t factor in yet.”
Thats a dilemma for sure.
WHere are the 60hz smartphones and pads from MT to go along with the wifi.
WHere are the 60hz smartphones
Well, talking about that… my friend was testing 5G at his place and came up with some ridiculous number over 600Mbit download… If that really works all around, wifi will be irrelevant in the next decade.
This will not happen anytime soon due to cost of contracts and modems. There will be still some relatively low cost low range iot devices.
I think 1st that will happen is that gsm networks will outperform home broadband at least on paper but then much grater congestion will cause some problems before market will shift more to wireless.
I would love to see this happening tbh as already I pay more for 500mbit broadband, while unlimited 5G contracts are for $20+.
But then I suppose broadband providers will drop prices/increase speeds.
It does work if user only cares about internet and there's LOS between device and base station (forget about 600Mbps when in toilet or wine cellar). OTOH if one has home LAN with services reserved for LAN users, wifi will still be a viable option. But I guess WiFi7 AP might as well look like a 5G base station technology-wise.
This will not happen anytime soon due to cost of contracts and modems. There will be still some relatively low cost low range iot devices.
I think 1st that will happen is that gsm networks will outperform home broadband, but not just on paper but then much grater congestion will cause some problems before market will shift more to wireless.
I would love to see this happening tbh as already I pay more for 500mbit broadband, while unlimited 5G contracts are for $20+.
But then I suppose broadband providers will drop prices/increase speeds.
Wenn I get 500 MBit/s to 700 MBit/s of TCP download throughput when 50 to 60 clients are concurrently connected and downloading on one single MikroTik 802.11ax access point, I might call it good someday in the future:
When Mikrotik ( or other brand ) “WiFi 6E” devices become available for outdoor WISP use, I will most likely be installing a few hundred “WiFi 6E” outdoor APs on the same towers I already have a few hundred 5 GHz APs and darn near 1,000 5-GHz Mikrotik wireless clients.
My only real concern is that by the time Mikrotik starts shipping “WiFi 6E” products , that it might be faster/sooner to just finish converting the bulk of my 5-GHz clients to fiber.
On my existing fiber-to-the-home networks, I offer up-to Gig+ speeds to all customers.
With my current Mikrotik 5-GHz APs , I can only offer/deliver up to 25-Meg accounts.
The 5-GHz spectrum is fully saturated and just barely usable to a WISP. The 6-GHz spectrum is almost completely empty.
I am concerned that by the time Mikrotik starts shipping “WiFi 6E” devices, that other WISPs in my area may of already deployed their non-Mikrotik “WiFi 6E” APs & wireless-clients.
It’s the same problem with Mikrotik over and over again. Nothing changed. You just don’t know what is coming and when any new products will be released.
No roadmaps, no planned products… and when some future product is announced, you don’t get any date when it will be available (where’s Terragraph at? anyone??).
It’s same for ROS 7, originally when I saw that Audience ships with ROS 7, I expected it to be done by the time Audience started selling… oh how wrong I was. It’s still unstable with no end in sight and Mikrotik is happily selling devices with this “alpha” version every day.
Last Mikrotik newsletter was published in November last year. Are there really no news since then worth reporting? Every other company is releasing roadmaps for 6E, new device plans, some sneak-peak images into new devices.. just SOMETHING to keep customers interested even if nothing else is going on, just to show them they are working on something cool that’s worth waiting for. This is basic marketing.
But with Mikrotik, you just really don’t know what will happen tomorrow. You may buy competitor’s APs and rebuild your infrastructure, only to find Mikrotik released much better product next month… or you may be waiting for it for next two years, which seems to be sadly far more likely…
This is why the hAP ac3 is a tough sell, because I’d prefer a 802.11ax version, but considering how soon it was released and how soon it will actually be in stock, it might be months or a year before anything newer comes around.
Considering WiFi AC2 MU-MIMO, is in the development branch of RouterOS 6 YEARS after ratification…
No there is not a lot of worry about Mikrotik “suddenly releasing a much better product next month.”
It’s sad but true.
I have’nt seen any wireless improovements since 2 maybe 3 years.
Since mikrotik made changes to regulators domain and radar detect, updating client devices is a real drama.
While routers and other network equipment are OK, wireless is a complete tragedy. It’s high time to look for third-party WiFi equipment. It’s a pity Mikrotik that you are not doing anything in this case and the reported wireless performance problems still remain unresolved.
Well you are right about that, so Mikrotik better start to figure out what direction they want to go soon, weather it is WiFi6 or 6E. More and more big names are starting to move into the low budget small business access point and switch market. Like Aruba instant on, who just released a new WiFi6 AP and is going to release a 6E latter this year. They also have released a switch family that competes with CSS series of switches.
They (Mikrotik) really need to reel them self’s back in and focus on there core products and stop trying to fill niche areas in networking.
Re: 6E ( Wi-Fi 6E ( 5.925 GHz to 7.125 GHz )
The ISP/WISP I work for is federally recognized as tribal sovereign nation. We have a huge need for a reliable and fast communication system ( including Internet ). Our 5-GHz WISP system was nearly saturated a year ago. When the Covid-19 pandemic started in early 2020, we experienced a huge increase in customer bandwidth demands ( on-line education, health care … ).
There are only two technology methods to add additional bandwidth to our clients here inside the reservation we serve:
1 - Add more fiber-to-the-home networks ( best solution but expensive and nearly impossible because some homes are miles apart from each other).
2 - Use additional microwave spectrum. The addition of Wi-Fi 6E with 160-MHz wide channels is a short-term solution that should work well - ( when 6E products are available ).
Note; a year or two ago, we did get awarded by FCC some free 2.3 GHz spectrum ( because we are a tribe ). And yes, I am using some 2.3 at this time. The problems with 2.3 is factory designed 2.3 equipment costs is expensive and channel width in this band is low. It helps but 2.3 will never be able to deliver the bandwidth needed.
As an engineer for the tribal owned telecommunications organization I work for, I have high hopes and expectations in the use of Wi-Fi 6E with multiple 160-MHz wide channels to provide working solutions to the tribal communities we provide service to on the reservation.
When 6E products are available and shipping, I plan/hope to add around 1-hundred Wi-Fi 6E APs to my towers which will co-exist next to our existing hundred-plus 5-GHz APs.
Until 6E products are available and shipping, we will continue installing fiber-to-the-home as fast as we can.