37Km Backhaul link with 29Db Jirous Dual-polarized parabolic

I am having some problems with throughput on this link.I have 4 R5H on 2 Rb600 running 4.10 at either end.

The firmware on both the routers is 2.27
Signal hangs around -60 to -52
54Mbps/54Mbps
CCQ is avg 80+ on both ends
Bandwidth test one way get’s 18Mb
One radio is on 5180 Ghz
and the other is 5745 Ghz

I have disabled one of the radios to show how much throughput one radio can pass.
I have tried all of the 5ghz spectrum just in case of interference with still the same poor throughput.
The link below is of the vertical polarity.
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what ack value are you using?

Hi lukkes The ACK is set to default.

post configuration

Manually set both ends to work at 24mbps, and set the ack on both ends to 410. then make the bandwidth test again, make this test with the two radios radios but not at the same time, (first one then the another but disabling the first one,) excuseme english it’s not my primary language…

RF signal reflection ?

I have seen very similar results from units where the receivers were actually receiving reflections off a nearby rock face and tin roofs.

I Manually set both ends to work at 24mbps, and set the ack on both ends to 410.
CCQ was 98/98%
24/24MB
P Throughput 18146 kbps

Bandwidth test on vertical radio 12.8 Mbps Recieve.

Bandwidth test on the same radio Sending only 13.0 Mbps.

Bandwidth test Both 2.0 Mbps/2.1 Mbps

Bandwidth test on the Horizontal radio.

Bandwidth test Both 2.1 Mbps/2.0 Mbps

Ill post the config files soon.
Thanks for the help ill post some images of the setup as well.
Next step is change the R5H for R5HN or XR5.

As i haven’t used these before but my comment is, I generally don’t like limited bandwidth spec on a unit in this case the bandwidth quoted is 5.45-5.9 for the parabolic, and doing a full bandwidth scan on this unit could give misleading results ?

28dBi may look good but even when a low loss link rf cable is used ( Radio card + pigtail + LMR400 1m ) the loss’s really add up, from my own experience a 24dbi grid had a 1m lmr400 cable and signal was -62 , tried two others still the same but when i bypassed the lmr400 my signal went to -55, from calculations insertion attenuation should be 0.3db?, but why 7db my guess is impedance mismatch of the link lead and it may not be 50ohm as quoted in spec,

The next links I am ordering is grid again rather than parabolic, this is mainly due to lower wind resistance not gain, parabolic is great if you have a tower to bolt them onto or if you can locate them in a sheltered area, below is the grid (26dBi+433 box) I will be using. I am sure some supplier will soon use a 30+ dbi grid with box mounted onto back of the grid so no link lead needed.

N21roadie

(ps- which county in ire- im in limk)
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so we can say that your problem it’s solved or not? my recommends was only for test, you can adjust your ack and rate for better works,

Hello, I have a similar setup, 40 chilometers, but with XR5 in turbo mode frequency.
With the H-POL I have 40 Mbit of TCP (one-way) troughtput.
With the V-POL I have 30 Mbit of TCP (one-way) troughtput.
The antenna is the same, but I have 4 XR5 running in 4 RB411AH and balanced with OSPF.
100% ccq over the H-POL and 90-95% over the V-POL.

The problem is not resolved still have very poor throughput :frowning:
Hi Welan thanks for your input i will be changing the R5H for the XR5’s.
n21roadie we are Based in Kerry.

I will post a update once we change the radios.

Do you test link with enable nstreme?

Well neighbour ( ye were lucky on Sunday in the replay but we (Limk) will win next match )

I would like to help out if i can as i will shortly have to install a 70Km+ link,
Have you tried v3.30, and TCP instead of UDP for bandwidth testing,

Have you spaced the parabolic far enough away from other stuff on the mast ( AP’s etc, PTP’s, etc)

Can you post your freq usage scan, this should reveal how much of the spectrum is used at each location,


N21roadie,
West/Limk

We did not try Nstreme id like to get just one link Horizontal or vertical passing some half decent bandwidth before we try Nstreme.

Hi Welan
Thanks for the info i will switch out the R5H forXR5 this week.

Have you tried testing at say 10kms and then at 20kms and finally 37kms comparing bandwidth, this eliminates any radio card issues and location, You mentioned a clean frequency usage scan but be aware the scan only displays frequency usage by 802… compliant gear and not the non compliant stuff, spectrum analyzer is the only way to know how crowded the band at the location really is.

It maybe a tx vs rx issue at both ends, where the tx is swamping the incoming signal, by reducing the data rate increased the tx power power, R5h goes from 20 to 24db @24, hence your ccq went from 80+ to 90+,

I am a little confused then did you conduct the reading at 24 or 54 when your posted vert receive @ 13/ vert send 13…etc?

I am using XR5’s and find them good,in actual fact all my PTP + Ap’s use XR5’s and all of the cpe’s use UB5, i don’t use mikrotik cards,

R5h = @54 = 20db
XR5 = @54 = 23db

ack timeout i use nstreame with dynamic, check
http://forum.mikrotik.com/t/ack-timeout-script/34102/1


n21roadie

For me it looks like internal interference (propably separation problem), your singnal levels are rly good for this range, try changing cards to normal ones (~100mw), dont use any with amplifiers, they cause more peoblems than benifits if they are in close to each other, then try running test, if still problems, reduce tx powers to like 10dbm. Propably separation problem. This should help. Dont waste money on higher tx power cards.

Question -

Bandwidth tests done on vertical with horizontal card disabled or active during the tests,
Same for Hor tests - was vert on/off

n21roadie

Test’s were done separate.
Radio A (Vertical) disabled then test was done on the horizontal radio.Vice a versa for the horizontal radio.
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