Hello and Help ( LTE6 )

Hoping anyone can help. I have just got an LtAP LTE6 kit, all seems fine but i am having a little problem with speeds, with my Nokia 5 phone getting LTE speeds of 36-49 mbps, with the same sim in the same location ( Outdoors ) i don’t get any more than 10mbps, with the Ltap LTE6 unit.

My config is just a default LTE AP setup with the APN name changed,
I have updated the firmware of the modem to v25 and updated the Router OS to latest stable version.

Hoping anyone can help?

Adam

You must log changes in Tower / Cell to be sure you not hop between two sectors of the same tower, or maybe between two towers…
Logs: /system logging add topics=lte
Watch LTE parameters: http://forum.mikrotik.com/t/r11e-lte6-2ca-not-staying-connected/136004/22

Your phone - check what Band it’s connected, what eNB, CellID, pci… and you can compare or FORCE in LTE6 to connect to the same.

The most important is a

  • monitor properly LTE
  • use a CellLock to lock a primary-band who lock the Tower and his sector antenna and you not hop to other what give you a stability.
  • use a Cell Monitor feature to detect what else towers you can connect and do Cell Lock and SpeedTest to them to grab information what Tower are fast/slow.
    Read documentation: https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/LTE

This is my general answer.

Thanks SiB

I will have a look, would the mANT LTE 5o antenna help? also is the antenna in the LtAP LTE6 kit a simo or a mimo…
I have a lot to learn about LTE and mikrotik,
Adam

@SIb, do you have any idea why the LTE modules have such difficulties at choosing the initial optimal settings compared to modern smartphones? Is it the module firmware or the controlling device (ie routerboard) that makes poor decisions?

It certainly looks like a general flaw when browsing through similar problems in the forums…

It’s a firmware How-it’s work.

If this is a firmware problem issues what can done, I don’t what to spend time and money just to find out I’m not going to get faster speeds.

Use Cell Monitor and then Cell Lock and you not be flap/hop/swap to other Tower/cells.
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/LTE
If you have that many bts that your lte module swap to often then LOCK it to specific one.

Hi All

I have set bands and locked on to one tower, also tried resetting the unit to defaults, I’m not reservice anything like the mobile phone speed on two different networks, I cant get better that LTE 2 status, even when I’m getting clear line of site and the unit says i have excellent single.

if this is the case and there is nothing more to test, do you know how to get a refund from Mikrotik because the unit it not fit for purpose.

Adam

Lock bands and tick LTE mode only may help if you didn’t try already ?

Adamzsite

LtAP LTE6 kit without external LTE antenna will be always “omnidirectional” - means low speed device.
Maybe you have <500m to BTS then this antenna should be ok.


also tried resetting the unit to defaults,

by command in documentation https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/LTE ?

  • if modem has issues connecting to cells after update, or there are any other unrelated issues - wipe old configuration with:
    /interface lte at-chat lte1 input=“AT+RSTSET”


I’m not reservice anything like the mobile phone speed on two different networks, I cant get better that LTE 2 status, even when I’m getting clear line of site and the unit says i have excellent single.

LtAP have omni directional antennas, R11e-LTE6 is cat.6 lte module, your phone probably have SoC with bigger lte category (mimo.. modulation..) and that’s why he receive more speed then MikroTik device. I think you should start with LHGR at start but differ MikroTiks have differ purpose and I not know your selection way.


if this is the case and there is nothing more to test, do you know how to get a refund from MikroTik because the unit it not fit for purpose.

Answer is related to laws/legislation in your country and probably you must ask seller about it, who should be a official distributor and give you first line of support.

Hi SiB

First sorry if I came across as a :poop:. That’s not my intention.

My phone is LTE 4 and I know that my local tower is over 4 miles away. And there is a second tower 2 miles away. I have line of sight to the first tower. Anyway I got this model because of its gigabit Ethernet and it’s upgradability. do you think a more directional antenna would be better?

It’s very strange all this, the unit gets the same single strength around -81 as my Nokia 5.

I will try resetting the unit using the command and try again.

Again your help is greatly appreciated.
Adam

Yes I can confirm that using internal antenna the device gets a very similar reception that a smartphone. Using a external antenna is the only way to improve the signal levels on the case of this MikroTik device.

mANT LTE 5o is a little bit better that internal antenna, but exists other antennas better of other brands actually, hard to get in my case.

Regards.

mANT LTE 50 is just omni-directional means any dirrection and somebody can say it’s non/not directional means no antenna at all.
Depence what far/long you have to bts.
Dependence from Band/Frequency you try use bcs every antena have other Gain per differ frequency.
Exabple of LHG(G)R who for freq other then ~800Mhz have bad Gain.
All >1700Mhz have good Gain and you tract that in documentation.
We not have a 360° Gain per every Band and that we cannot say what dirrection at specific band should have what dirrection, in general we must always do CellLock and try manual check possition of antennas.
I end here because this could be long story with many screenshot…

EXTERNAL ANTENA in LTE is a KEY. Always.

HI All
I have decided to keep the unit and take ot the next level ( How Dears Wins ), im looking into the new Poynting XPOL-2-5G V3 antenna and some Yagi ones,

what would be your best bet, the cell tower is 4 Miles ways im going to put a new telephone mast up 30-40 feet, 2 yagi atenna or the Poynting?

Adam

We use some custom made Poynting XPOL-2 (but with exactly the same antenna used in the regular ones) which supplies about 9-10 dbi for the lower bands (700-900 Mhz). If you want more I recommend yagis but with a mast and LoS I think the XPOL-2 will do alright.

Watch of for using long antenna cables ie instead place the unit as close to the antenna as possible, preferably a maximum of three feet away.

https://poynting.tech/wp-content/uploads/downloads/product_documents/technical_specifications/xpol_series/Technical-Specification-A-XPOL-0002-V3.pdf

EDIT:

SXT LTE(6) kit gives good reception at 4 km remote towers. Smartphones cannot reach those and use the 2 km remote tower, which is overloaded.

Remember that in contrast to wifi it is not the client but the radio management of the towers that decides which tower will service you.
One can steer this a little bid by studying the frequencies used by the towers and enable/disable some channels. (Did not try celllock yet)
The tower will lead you to one that supports the enabled bands.

Some providers check your IMEI or other IP characteristics (like TTL) to differentiate 4G routers from smartphones. Smartphones get priority and larger bandwidth in that case!

Btw, are we still talking about LtAP LTE6 in this case? The reason I’m asking is that I can’t locate any connectors for external antennas when looking at the product specification för LtAP LTE6.

LtAP LTE6 product page: https://mikrotik.com/product/ltap_lte6_kit

Hi All

I have a update on my issues, i purchased a Pointing XPOL-2-5G V3 antenna, i am now getting the same speeds as my phone. But not all is good, i was hoping for better speeds if im
am honest, i have cell lock on bands locked in, and made sure all firmwares are updateed. i have spent time pointing my antenna, i have line of site to the cell tower.

Information
UK Networks
02 (band 20 max 75mbps): Phone : 30+, Unit with antenna 31 max.
EE (band 20, 3 max 150mbps): Phone: 60+, Unit with antenna 29 max.

Can i try anything more with the EE network?

In genreral:

  • Band 20 (800Mhz) is usually overcrowded in rural areas since most devices gets the highest signal level and auto connect to this band.
  • Band 3 (1800Mhz) is probably better if you manage to get LoS (Line of Sight) to the mast.

What’s the distance to the mast do you reckon (approx) and what signal levels do you get for each band at the moment? (RSSI, ans so on). Btw, did you check with the operator they support CAT-6 (300 Mbit) or just CAT-4 (150 Mbit) carrier aggregation?

EDIT:
Forgot to ask which Mikrotik model you are using this time?

Good Question
I am using a LtAP LTE6 kit with a Pointing XPOL-2-5G V3 antenna,

I’m also testing two UK networks O2 and EE the tower feeds both networks is 4.4km away.
More Information
EE use’s B3@20mhz, and B20@5Mhz RSSI:-49dbm RSRP:-77dbm RSRQ:-6.5 to -8.5db SINR:19 to 21bd
02 use’s B20@10mhz RSSI,RSRP,RSRQ,SINR are about the same.

I can only get LTE Cat 2 on the unit, or 3G LTE, I very interested in what you said about limiting the unit because its not a phone etc.
I hope to install the unit in a IP67 box with the antenna up a 40 foot pole, I could d with help picking a network to go with EE or O2, EE seems slow but that could be my setup. 02 has had the better speeds,

again I’m thankful for all your help,
Adam