Usage GPON module SFP in Spain

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Hello
I live in Spain and my provider “Orange” usage PLOAM psw to indentify the ONT in the OLT. This method its used by other ISP as Movistar, Vodafone and etc. These companies usage the normative ITU-T Rec. G.984.3 that sayed in step 10.2.2 “ONU state specification” the metod of valitation:

Operation state (O5)
Once in this state, the ONU can send upstream data and PLOAM messages as directed by
the OLT. Additional connections can be established with the ONU as required while in this
state. Once the network is ranged, and all the ONUs are working with their correct
equalization delay, all upstream bursts will be synchronized together between all the ONUs.
The upstream transmissions will arrive separately, each one in its correct location within
the upstream GTC frame

I can usage others models of ONT “Alcatel Lucent G-010G-P - Huawei HG8240 or Edge Core GG-11000” but before, I have to modify the value PLOAM psw or IdOnt “IdONT is equal to PLOAM psw” and next the ONT run well in the network of ISP.

My questios is, how can I send the PLOAM psw from the GPON Mikrotik?

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Actually we tested the module many times and don’t get stablish the connection whit the OLT for this reason. The ID ONT is no way to set/send through a ploam messsage to the OLT with this module.

We have a many custommers interested in this solution, to use a more cheap and robust hardware like mikrotik, and avoid the poor hardware of their ISP’s, but for the moment mikrotik no respond the questions, and I think the best option is go away to another brand like cisco or telnet, a little bit more expensive but they offer this solution.

regards

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Write to support directly asking and reasoning (or linking to this post) the need.

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Hello Pukkita,
I’ve talked with support and they responded:

Hello,

There is a new firmware in development at the moment. When it’s released then it will be possible to change various registration ID’s and Passwords in the module. At the moment however it is not yet know when it’s going to be released.

Also current batch modules will only be upgradable through OLT.

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Then the users of the Spain Comunity, we’ll have to wait by one solution…

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We sent a few messages to mikrotik support and we sended the questions to others resellers/distributors to know if they have a solution for this but any have a solution.

How it’s possible than mikrotik no have an estimated date to release the new firmware? and can be possible configure the module with the ONT ID like any other conventional ONT

We think the configuration of the ONT ID should be via a new configuration section on the router, via console or winbox. that is the correct and the easy way.

regards

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How it’s possible than mikrotik no have an estimated date to release the new firmware? and can be possible configure the module with the ONT ID like any other conventional ONT

All companies have limited resources and have to prioritize their goals, moreso in the Disruptive Tecnologies market segment, where companies need to move fast and adapt to market conditions.

We think the configuration of the ONT ID should be via a new configuration section on the router, via console or winbox. that is the correct and the easy way.

As far as I could read Support has said that ONTs with current, non-configurable firmware will require an OLT to be upgraded to the new firmware when it’s released, but nowhere is said it won’t be configurable by the user once it has been upgraded to the new firmware.

Then the users of the Spain Comunity, we’ll have to wait by one solution…

I’m asumming you’re speaking from a FTTH user perspective (not provider). In such case, I usually setup the ISP ONT in bridge mode, and connect a suitable routerboard for the bandwidth (RB951Ui, hAP AC/AC lite, RB3011…) most times is cheaper.

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Hello,

I’m in the same situation with Movistar.
Today I received a Huawei SFP that I try to change the Idont directly when reading and writing the eprom of the SFP.
This option is because after consulting the support the answer was that it was not possible to change this parameter.

Correct or wrong i will comment the result in this post.

Regards.

Hola,

Yo estoy en la misma situación con Movistar.
Precisamente hoy he recibido un SFP de Huawei al que pretendo/intentaré cambiarle directamente el Idont al leer y escribir la eprom del SFP.
La única opción era esta precisamente porque después de consultar al soporte la respuesta fue que no era posible cambiar este parámetro.

Salga bien o salga mal iré comentando en este mismo post el resultado.

Un saludo.

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I’m asumming you’re speaking from a FTTH user perspective (not provider). In such case, I usually setup the ISP ONT in bridge mode, and connect a suitable routerboard for the bandwidth (RB951Ui, hAP AC/AC lite, RB3011…) most times is cheaper.

In my case, I want it for my house and is to have only a router.
Now I have my “RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN” mikrotik and the “Alcatel Lucent G-010G-P” ont of Orange to connecting to Internet. But always you have a dispositive where you not have the all control about him. :blush:
As me, other people and companies of Spain or other countries are looking for the same solution… and I have hope to Mikrotik can help to get it.

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All the comments are well received.
I hope you have chance of is firts person on connect to the OLT of ISP without the electronic from them.I hope to read your results soon

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We receive this documentation from MOVISTAR (spain), where is detailed how it works the FTTH service.

https://www.telefonica.es/documents/25497/9716952/ITE_BA_020_v3.pdf/1a2c27fc-90bf-45c3-b86b-3931d6b3955a (in spanish)

The interested part is this: “6.5.2 PROCESO DE ACTIVACIÓN BASADO EN PLOAM PASSWORD” ----> Trans: 6.5.2 Activation process basen on PLOAM PASSWORD

The Mikrotik SFP-ONU have write-protection?. if interesting if anyone have a eeprom programer to try set the S/N and LOID/idONT/PLOAM PW values of the old ONT(ISP Provided) in the SFP module and try if works.

We have the SFP-ONU module but not the eeprom programer (is expensive 260€ aprox).

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In spanish:

Esto confirma lo que yo comentaba. Esta es la prueba que tengo pendiente. Tengo para poder programar tengo un sfp de huawei para cambiar el s/n. Desconozco si el de Mikrotik está protegido.
Primero probaré con este que es el que tengo a la mano e indicaré si ha funcionado o no.

Lo que entiendo es que ese S/N que ellos llaman es el famoso IDont que tiene configurada, ya que el S/N de mi ONT no corresponde con mi IDont y si fuera el S/N Físico no se podría cambiar una ONT por otra sólo con ese número.

In BAD English:

This confirms what I said. This is the test that I have pending. I have to be able to program I have a huawei sfp to change the s / n. I do not know if Mikrotik is protected.
First I will try with this one that is the one that I have at hand and will indicate if it has worked or not.

What I understand is that the S / N they call is the famous IDont that they have configured, since the S / N of my ONT does not correspond with my IDont and if it was the Physical S / N it would not be possible to change an ONT for another Only with that number.

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He estado buscando más información, ya que tengo que tirar la fibra hasta el mikrotik desde la ont.
He encontrado los distintos métodos :
SN authentication: The OLT detects the serial number (SN) reported by an ONT. If the SN is consistent with the OLT configuration, authentication is passed and the ONT goes online. This mode requires recording all ONT SNs. Hence, it is used to confirm auto discovery ONTs and is not applicable to adding ONTs in batches.

Password authentication: The OLT detects the password reported by an ONT. If the password is consistent with the OLT configuration, the ONT goes online normally. This mode requires planning ONT passwords and does not require manually recording ONT SNs. Hence, it is applicable to adding ONTs in batches. The password authentication provides two discovery modes: always-on and once-on.

always-on: After first password authentication is passed, no SN is allocated and password authentication is always used in subsequent authentications. This discovery mode is easy for future maintenance. In the always-on discovery mode, configuration is not required to be modified when an ONT is replaced and only the password is required. The always-on discovery mode has lower security. If other users know the password, the users will illegally have service permissions.

Once-on: After first password authentication is passed, an SN is automatically allocated and password+SN authentication is used in subsequent authentications. An ONT can go online only after the correct password and SN are entered. The once-on authentication mode has high security. After an ONT is replaced or the password is mistakenly changed, the ONT needs to be configured again, which requires more maintenance effort.

SN+password authentication: The OLT detects the password and SN reported by an ONT. If the password and SN are consistent with the OLT configuration, the ONT goes online normally. This authentication mode has the highest security but it requires manually recording ONT SNs.

LOID+CHECKCODE authentication: defined by a telecom operator. In this authentication mode, LOID has 24 bytes, and CHECKCODE has 12 bytes and is optional. Whether 24 bytes or 36 bytes are used for authentication depends on data planning, which is unified over the entire network. The OLT determines whether LOID+CHECKCODE reported by the ONT is the same as the configured one. If they are the same, the ONT authentication is passed. If they are different, the OLT obtains the ONT password and compares it with the last 10 bytes of the LOID. If they are the same, the ONT authentication is also passed. This operation is for compatibility with the ONTs using password authentication.


Entiendo que nosotros usamos sólo password porque podemos cambiar sin problemas el ont por otro, por ejemplo un hgu,y ahí cambiamos la Mac pero sigue funcionando siempre y cuando pongamos el idont.

Por lo que leo éste otro post de aquí :
http://forum.mikrotik.com/t/cant-make-gpon-onu-to-work/94041/1

From China, LOID not is Module Vendor SN,

Vendor SN in EEPROM A0H, Address 68~83 Byte, Size is 16 Byte,

Loid in EEPROM A2H, Address 190~213 Byte, Size is 24 Byte

And…

Password for Loid in EEPROM A2H, Address 214~225 Byte, Size is 12 Byte

So…

Your need wirte to EEPROM for change Loid

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Hola a ambos. Disculpad por entrometerme en un tema sobre GPON y SFP, pero tengo una duda en cuanto a la ONT - Mikrotik y aprovecho el habla hispana para decirlo ya que veo que tenéis algo montado similar a lo que pretendo.

Tenemos fibra con Movistar y quiero enchufar la ONT al router Mikrotik (CCR1016), ¿qué configuración debo hacer en el router de Movistar para que todo el tráfico pase al router Mikrotik y sea este quien gestione todo? ¿Poner el router movistar como Bridge en el panel del router? ¿alguna extra configuración?

Gracias.

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Spanish:
Tienes que poner el HGU de Movistar “Todo en Uno” en modo Bridge y luego en tu Mikrotik levantas la conexion PPoE. Lo malo de esta configuracion, es que la gestion de las Vlan’s la sigue gestionando el HGU de Movistar. A mayores, si quieres usar un Softphone dentro de tu red “Mikrotik” tu tendras que habilitar en el HGU “Enable IGMP Multicast Proxy” y luego en tu Mikrotik hacer una ruta static de este poll 10.0.0.0/ 8 hacia el HGU.

English:
You’ve to put the HGU MOVISTAR “All in Onel” in bridge mode and then in your mikrotik router configurate the PPoE connection. A problem this configuracion is that the HGU MOVISTAR continue with the Vlan management. Also if you want configurate a Softphone on your mikrotik network, you has to enable in the HGU “Enable IGMP Multicast Proxy” and next in your mikrotik you have to configurate a static route 10.0.0.0/8 submit to HGU Router.
Sorry moderators for writing in Spanish.

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Being this a country-specific usability issue, there’s no problem as long as you post on both languages.

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First, I’m sorry to use spanish in this post.

Spanish:
Vaya fastidio que no podamos deshacernos del router de Movistar de ninguna manera. Entonces entiendo que a grandes rasgos es poner el router Movistar en Bridge y luego configurar el PPoE server en el router Mikrotik con los datos de conexión y listo, ¿no?
Gracias

English:
Its a shit that we can’t drop out our Movistar’s router. I understand that I should setup Movistar’s routre as bridge and after setup PPoE server on Mikrotik with details connetion. dont?
Thanks.

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Yes, but first you need activate vlan 2 and 6 in ethernet cable. Vlan 2 with dhcp for voip and vlan6 with ppoe client for internet conection.

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If have the HGU rouuter “All in One” this point it’s not necesary.

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Cliente PPPoE, no server PPPoE. Dependiendo del sitio, la ONT en bridge pasa la conexion de datos por Vlan6 o no.

En todos los sitios que he mirado recientemente ya no pasan las VLANs en modo bridge, por lo que has de “colgar” el cliente PPPoE directamente de la ether que conectes a la ONT.

In English:
PPPoE client, not PPPoE server. Depending on location, the bridged ONT will use Vlan6 for data, or not.

Most recent installs I’ve been looking at no longer hand out VLANs in bridged mode, so you need to put the PPPoE client directly on the ether interface connected to the ONT.

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Our Parthner SFPTotal try to help us in this case and this is their response about that:

If I understand correctly, we are talking about Mikrotik SFP GPON ONU.

It’s ONU in the form factor of SFP based on Marvel SoC. This module working on Linux OS (Mikrotik firmware) and have XML configuration files, which contain all PON connection parameters. Often ISPs use the GPON ONU authentication procedure using the serial number and PLOAM password as unique client code (ITU-T G.984.3).

This is config file:

<?xml version="1.0"?> MKTK00010203 1 1234567890 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 ``` > > We had to open the module and remove the memory chip to get this information. > > Unfortunately, our programming boards can't help you in this issue, because they are designed to program modules throught I2C interface. > > To change config file you should demount SPI flash and fix image of the memory, > or connect to console of the module through serial port interface. It possible, but we haven't information about contacts on PCB. > > If you find better way to solve this issue, pls, let us know.

Why mikrotik does not help us with this issue adding a feature in the routerOS to modify these values like a conventional ONT?
They can sell many more sfp-onu modules, routers/switches, not just individuals, but also that we, as a company, would create commercial channels to take them to a much wider market.