Wifi 7 - MikroTik when???

Took some years, but Normis answered OP’s question (“Wifi 7 - MikroTik when???”) over here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/t/newsletter-125/183968/96

i have seen some vendors offering wi-fi 7 “ish” with only 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios (not 6ghz) i hope MK not to join that group

I mean… MikroTik were offering WiFi 4 with 6ghz radios, so, honestly, I’d trust them with making the right choice there :slight_smile: But also, I would be neither surprised nor annoyed if they didn’t make a dedicated 6ghz radio, instead opting for a combined 5-6ghz radio (meaning you have to choose whether you want to use the higher frequencies and sacrifice compatibility, or lower ones and support more devices), on <$100 APs.

That is precisely the ambiguity

It’s not just about having Wi-Fi 7 and that’s it. or just having some 6ghz support and and that’s it

The real improvement of having a Wi-Fi AP 7 AP/ROUTER is being a tri-radio device with three independent/concurrent radios for 2.4, 5.0 and 6.0 ghz respectively

even for high density environments make sense having the option to switch the band for some radios, but not to exempt them from provide the three radios

with that context of a tri-radio device it shows us how challenging can be to create a device like that being so compact and affordable like current wifi 6 dual-radio devices

Surely will be some compromises in that matters of cost, size, power consumption, tx power, aditional features, etc

Yeah, but that’s how you get insane spectrum congestion. Every Tom, Dick and Harry buys a tri-band AP, starts blasting on all the gigahertzes with multi-link operation, and before you know it, instead of using our own spectrum and operating in our own little channels that are otherwise uncongested, we’re all trying to use the same congested frequencies.

To make this even worse. In the EU there’s only 1 non-Overlapping 320mhz 6ghz channel.
And just 2 in total. (according to wikipedia which iirc is still up to date)

XD I like how FCC just allocates 1.2 GHz to WiFi, but then EU doesn’t, and we all immediately start complainining about EU because “they ONLY allocated 500 MHz! that’s BARELY just shy of the entirety of the spectrum we had before”

I agree they should allocate more though, especially seeing how virtually the entire european 5 GHz spectrum is just a perverse game of whac-a-mole with those vast DFS channels.

But they should also probably be regulating it more. Some restrictions around tri-bands and mesh systems would be a good thing, and maybe 160/320 channels should have slightly lower EIRP limits (say, 27 and 24 dBm respectively), so that you wanting to go fast doesn’t just nuke a third of the spectrum in a seven-mile radius. You know, like a luxury tax.

I thought you said faster! :confused:
Dreams of Mikrotik 4K streaming over WiFi for all my Family at the same time :laughing:

Hey, wanna bet again ? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Oi… :laughing:
Hows the dark side testing going, smooth sailing?

wifi6 is plenty for several streams of 4k at reasonable bitrates

If we were talking about 8k I would agree with you.

Not bad, but still waiting for the WiFi 7 on Mikrotik…

In real world with worst environment in urban areas what’s the reasonable throughput you are expecting with WIFI7 or rather any data from competing vendor at least on average care to share?

I could tour europe in a mini cooper but I wouldn’t.

We all have different dreams :wink:

I support this statement.

The only feature of WiFi 7 that makes an improvement over WiFi 6 (or even WiFi 5, for that matter), is 160 MHz channels (and the additional non-DFS spectrum, so that you can use those 160 MHz channels). The higher throughputs it boasts are not really happening more than 2 meters away from the router, so you can forget about them. That’s just how radios work.

And you can even get quasi-160MHz channels with WiFi 5. You can just get two APs instead of one (or one Audience, with its two radios), put them in the same place but on two different 80 MHz channels, and kick clients until they’re spread evenly between the two APs with a bit of CAPsMAN scripting wizardry. Not elegant, not ideal, but quite fine for this particular usecase, because streaming is buffered anyway. And it’s supported by virtually all devices.

Not to mention the fact that, even WiFi 5 can quite easily reach real speeds of up to 500 Mbps if the AP is in the same room as the device. So just following enterprise best practices and putting an AP in every room that WiFi is going to actively be used in, will not only result in better stability while at the same time giving you the ability to turn down signal amplification, prolonging the AP’s lifespan, but also in you being able to watch several high-bitrate 4K streams, per room.

Wifi6 also has 160MHz channels.
I’m using it on wAP AX.

I’m not that into wifi in general, so maybe some of the more experienced forumers could comment on this? I always thought that the big thing with 7 (or 6E) was the availability of the 6 GHz spectrum. Even is we restrict channel width to 80MHz, so don’t really get any throughput benefits (I say “really”, because the use of denser modulations in my experience only applies to the best RF environments)

The big benefit to me would seem that older (n/ac) devices don’t have 6 GHz radios, and therefore there is no need to support compatibility modes forever. I would assume that devices that only support older standards will be with us for many years, and I even suspect that they will be sold far into the future - there are many WiFi-enabled products that are built to the absolute lowest price. So enabling true OFDMA operation is the real game changer.

Really, please enlighten me. Am I totally wrong on this?

I think MLO and Preamble Puncturing are the keys.

https://documentation.meraki.com/MR/Wi-Fi_Basics_and_Best_Practices/Wi-Fi_7_(802.11be)_Technical_Guide

i think this is only reason to upgrade