CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ General info & Questions

So, as FedEX and Interprojekt promised I received my CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+ today. I unpacked it and took a bunch of pictures of the outside and inside.

I was able to find it using the “MAC method” just fine and it was running RouterOS 6.10 out of the box. It updated to 6.12 just fine too. I have not run any tests on it yet but I have made several screenshots.

There is a complete album with lots of pictures here, but I will take some highlights and post them below!

As with the RB2011 before, any questions regarding the CCR1009 or things you would like tested with it (possible within a home environment). I will not be putting this CCR1009 into (home) production use for at least a month I think, so let me know what you would like to see!

Included accessories, no free copper SFP as with some other CCR’s

A shallow depth white box

I bought the 1S+ version mainly because of the LCD screen and 10G abilities

Future expand-ability should be no problem! I’m betting on have FTTH within the next 2 or 3 years

Back side, showing the dual-PSU and MicroSD card slot

Dual-PSU rated for use all around the world using standard power plug connectors

Two fans which can be seperatly controlled it seems. Also the MicroSD slot

When this thing is built into a rack it will be nearly impossible to reach the MicroSD slot

Opening up the box!

The Dual-PSU supplies 24v. From what I have read you can actually apply a third power source using POE. Highest voltage will be used first. I did not dare open the PSU box any further. :open_mouth:

Hooked up and running. The LED’s seem to be good LED’s with fairly quick blinking, unlike the RB2011 for instance

Selecting the “Informative SlideShow” it shows current throughput and system health. Idle usage seems to be around ~15watt according to the software. I will take a separate measurement myself later

~100MB of storage and 2GB of memory

I took some interfaces screenshots with general information and of some differences I noticed versus the RB2011 for instance.

I am able to find and connect to the CCR1009 just fine using the “MAC” option

Voltage, Temperature and power metering, 128MB of storage (on mine), 9 cores Tile CPU

100MB of actual storage, 85MB usable. Not very much now a days, but you can use the MicroSD slot to expand it if needed.

Select-able CPU speeds to make it use less power or produce less heat (allows the CCR to be used in more extreme situations)

Included license

Interface shot, notice no “switch” selection in the menu bar

These selections differ from my RB2011, more options are possible and more information is given. Also the “cable test” option is new for me. The option to include a port in a switch is missing though. It will probably be added in a future firmware!

- Do the ports connected to the switch chip behave differently then the native CPU ports?
My personal initial testing seems to indicate that they cause more CPU usage during bridging or routing then the NON-switch ports do. Also it seems that the ports condense some traffic streams (such as NAT) to a single thread. This could potentially limit certain usage scenario’s. During my tests it never limited traffic below 1Gbit/sec though, it just caused (a lot) more CPU.

You can find all the screenshots over here.

Iperf was used using: “iperf -c xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -w 128KB -t 30 -P 60” so only upload was tested.

NAT - Routing

1Gbit/s NAT using all CPU ports

1Gbit/sec NAT using 1 Switch and 1 CPU port

1Gbit/sec NAT using all Switch ports

Bridging

Bridging all CPU ports

Bridging all Switch ports

Bridging between 1 Switch and 1 CPU port

As you can see, it behaves quite differently depending on which combination you use. This was all tested using 6.12 with routerboard firmware 3.13. If this is the final behavior of the product, careful port planning is needed. But I have a feeling they might not yet be done integrating the switch into the “tile” platform as we have seen with the CRS, etc.

- How powerful is the CPU?
That’s a hard question to answer. In testing bridging or even using NAT over 1 core gave me at least 1Gbit of throughput without problem. The core did reach 100% though with NAT. So assume I think it’s safe to assume that 1 core can do about 1Gbit/sec.
note: There seems to be a difference between using direct CPU ports or Switch ports, please see above

- How much noise does it make?
When first turning it on it’s completely silent. After a little while you some whining noise to start which keeps stepping up in frequency. I believe this to be the voltage to the fans that is being raised digitally. After a little bit you can hear a fan starting but it spins at quite a low RPM.

- Can the fans be controlled?
No, (presently) there is no way of controlling the fans.

Because it’s voltage regulated there is “a lot” of mechanical buzzing noise combined with very faint wind/fan noise. During tests and generating load I can hear a (second?) fan spin up quickly but also spin-down quickly again. I believe the mechanical whirring/rattling noise is a by product of on the one side the fans themselves but on the other side of the voltage regulation method. The whirring/rattling noise does become less loud after having the unit on for a while. Sadly Mikrotik does not use PWM fans yet which have caused less noise, then again, this is a datacenter product and for in a datacenter the CCR is in no way loud or obtrusive.

I would not advise you putting it in your living room or something, but a few meters away or inside of a closet (provide ventilation) it should not be intrusive during normal usage. An option might be to replace the fans with models from Noctua (which will almost certainly be more quiet) but this will void warranty. (This has NOT been verified)

- Can the dual PSU be monitored?
No, the PSU module is only connected using power connectors to the mainboard. The routerboard monitors the voltage that it is receiving, but it cannot determine or monitor if 1, 2 or 3 power sources are connected. In theory the power source with the highest voltage will be used first and fail-over will happen automatically if that source fails.

- How fast are the LED’s?
They are of the normal variety. Not the newer super fast blinking one’s, neither the very slow uninformative RB2011 kind. I have no other way to describe them then normal, as you see on many types of network equipment.

- How much power does it use?
I have measured power using the internal wattage display and with an external wall plug meter.

Idle the internal meter shows 16w, the external meter shows around 17.1w. I believe this to be because of the conversion efficiency in the PSU which is pretty good. During my tests I have seen a maximum of 17.3w of internal usage which would round up to about 18.5w of external usage. Quite power efficient for the amount of routing power it holds, an equivalent performing x86 platform would use a lot more I believe.

Thanks for the review and pictures, still waiting for my ccr1009 to arrive :]

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Wow, Mikrotik actually listened to my feature suggestion for the IEC power cord clamps!

Hopefully this and the dual PSU feature finds its way on to the 1036 models too :slight_smile:

Quick note to Quindor, you are connecting to Ether8, but the IP address is on Ether1. Unlike the RB2011, the CCR series doesn’t have all ports switched, so you need to connect to Eth1 and configure the device according to your needs.

@Quindor, thank you for the very informative review and pictures.

A question regarding the fans as I’m kind of concerned by the noise from them especially the ‘buzzing noise’ since I plan to place it in my very silent home computer room.

Is it possible to set the fans so that they spin at a constant rate (eg. 30% or 50%) regardless of CPU load ?

How is the switch chip configured without a switch menu option?

Feature missing from Winbox in v6.12, you can use console for now, Switch menu will be in Winbox from v6.13

Hijacking a little - normis can you confirm/deny if dual PSU will make its way to 1036 models?

Hi Normis, thank you for your comment! I understand this of course and it was only connected to Ether8 for the photo. After that I made lots of different combinations (routed, NAT, bridged, etc.) as you can see in my screenshots and test results.

I’m much more interested in the reason why the ports on the switch chip behave so much differently then the direct connected CPU ports. They seem to generate a LOT more CPU load, and are less multithreaded with NAT. I don’t understand the technical reason behind this, but maybe you can clarify this? It would make a lot of difference in how and where the CCR1009 is usable.

All switched ports share 1gbps full duplex link to CPU, other than that there should be no difference

I would like to know this too. :smiley:

It would be a different device then. As you can see, all new CCR units have dual PSU, so if we release a new 36 core model, it will have them. We are working on it.

Ok, cool. I hoped a bigger interconnect then 1Gbps would have been used, but I can understand that restraint from a cost perspective.

About the performance difference, in the current version of RouterOS it does seem to generate a LOT (5x to 8x) more load then the CPU ports. Could you check my tests? Please let me know if you need more information! Especially NAT on the switch ports consolidates all the load to one core it would seem, while CPU ports do not show the save behavior.

wery sad
it is not datacenter product ( at max it is small office and Home-office (where noise is big problem…)

can you do some advice
how minimize noise & and what cooler can make 1009 silent ?

I have checked and while I am able to set the fan to manual mode or auto mode, it seems to only specify which kind of fan is connected (2 wire or 3 wire) and not give me any control over it.

Also, the read-out of the fans does circulate during the “informative slideshow” and I am able to find it using the CLI. No WinBox options yet though. And even the CLI only reports on 1 of the fans, not both as the slideshow does.

[admin@MikroTik] /system health> print
fan-mode: auto
use-fan: main
active-fan: none
cpu-overtemp-check: yes
cpu-overtemp-threshold: 100C
cpu-overtemp-startup-delay: 1m
voltage: 23.8V
current: 627mA
fan-speed: 0RPM
temperature: 23C
cpu-temperature: 45C
power-consumption: 14.9W

To answer another question from @KoDAk there does not seem to be a manual speed control option and replacing the cooling will be quite hard since the case is 1U so any kind of cooling will be a heatsink with forced airflow which results in 40mm fans.

I think your best bet would be replacing both fans with Noctua’s. I use Noctua in all my equipment that needs to be (virtually) silent. Not cheap, but the best fans on the market. The Noctua NF-A4x10 FLX seems to have the right dimensions and uses the same 3pin connector. I have no idea about air rate and flow though and if they will actually keep the CCR cool enough, etc. And while I think these are your best bet in silencing your CCR, your warranty will absolutely be voided. :wink:

Another thing I just realized. There is no active monitoring on the PSU’s. The routerboard does not know how many PSU’s are actually connected (photo’s only show power cables going from the PSU module to the mainboard) so there is no way to check if 1 or 2 power cables are connected and/or working.

Another thing I just realized. There is no active monitoring on the PSU’s. The routerboard does not know how many PSU’s are actually connected (photo’s only show power cables going from the PSU module to the mainboard) so there is no way to check if 1 or 2 power cables are connected and/or working.

What a shame…
There is a LED indication of PSU status?
How do I know if one of the PSUs broken?

at max it is small office and Home-office (where noise is big problem

the CCR1009 has the power to run a medium sized ISP, so, I don’t agree to the above.