📣 WinBox 4 is here 📣

Mine (Linux) goes in 8% increments/decrements. Worked all right for me (using at 92% now). How did it work for You? Is it 8% too?

It is about same, but it is way too much to be usable for scrollwheel or trackpad. Zoom level is too jumpy. It is possible that scrolling speed in system settings affects this as well.

Yeah it may be macOS thing. The trackpad zoom is very “twitchy”. The increments are fine, but subtle movement cause you to easy go through multiple 8%'s. I never use a “fast mouse”, and system preferences is set LOWER than default.

And prefer it NOT having it actually using trackpad, and just using ⌘+ and ⌘– for Zoom.
Hopefully those come when MikroTik can make a decision about what the keyboard shortcuts should be…

Just tested with the mouse wheel (don’t have a track pad), and it goes the same as the “=” and “-”. Maybe just a MacOS thing, just like You said.

May be it’s better to make a car first and then talk about the wheel?

Zoom works very bad and nothing was fixed since February: http://forum.mikrotik.com/t/winbox-4-is-here/178358/1891

Is it possible to return table sorting to the WinBox 3 type? That is, the primary sorting is performed by the specified column. And inside it, sorting is performed by the previous column? For example. DHCPS Server/Leases. At first, there was sorting by comment. Then by status. As a result, first there are lines with the “bound” status. And inside them, sorting is performed by comment. This was in WinBox 3. In WinBox 4, I cannot understand how sorting is performed inside the status “bound”. The many lines are located chaotically.

What’s new in 4.0beta23:
*) add dynamic form field syntax validation

  • tooltips for form labels
  • edited fields now indicated with blue label
    *) add tooltips for some buttons
    *) add tooltips for tables
  • active flags
  • cells with truncated values
  • header with truncated values
  • cells containing extra information (e.g. netmask)
    *) add hover info for some form fields
  • similar to WinBox v3, but now field must be focused
    *) add outline for checkbox and radio button widgets
    *) minor icon color changes

The tips are excellent, but their positioning gets covered by the mouse pointer. Linux, KDE on X11. Nvidia drivers. 92% zoom.
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I came back to try Winbox4 after a few months, wow it’s A LOT better than it was. The contrast is now quite good, ability to set row padding to 0 makes it a lot more practical. No more of this endless scroll nonsense and the reintroduction of tabs. Everything feels a lot more useful

There’s still a few annoyances and suggestions I have though

  • Windows unable to be dragged off to the left. They stop when the left edge meets the menu bar. A lot of times I intentionally drag a window away so that I have more usable space. I.e. if i’m running a ping, I don’t need to see the entire ping window, I only expose enough to see the ‘time’ column. This can’t be done in winbox4 and its very frustrating. Yes i’m aware I could resize the window, drag columns around etc. This is equally as frustrating because for things like the Interface window I actually drag them back and forth periodically. It’s clunky and slow if I have to keep resizing it, but its very easy to just drag it out of the way

  • I can’t open more than 1 window of the same type, i.e. Ping or Traceroute. This makes it unusable for me, I often need to run simultaneous pings to different hosts when i’m troubleshooting. An elegant solution might be either a + symbol in the title bar to open a new window. Or allow right clicking in the titlebar and choosing ‘New Window’ as is common practice in Windows

  • Please add a minimize button in the title bar of every window, and it drops away to just a tiny bar sitting at the bottom of the screen that I can click on to restore. I see there is a window switcher button now, but it’s just not intuitive or fast to use. I want to quickly (and with 1 click) temporarily get a window out of the way, or bring it back. With the window switcher drop down I have no idea which Terminal window is which, but if I could minimize/restore it then I can visually see where it went

  • Add window snapping whilst holding a modifier key such as Alt. It would be nice to have i.e. 4 ping windows snapped to each other vertically/horizontally/grid and I could move and resize the whole set together. Whilst this has never been in Winbox, I use this every single day in other Windows applications

  • Add a customizable grid that windows can snap and resize to if you are holding a modifier key i.e. Ctrl. To see an example of what I mean just install windows PowerToys and look at Fancy Zones. Again I use this every single day with other applications and it massively improves my workflow

With beta23 the workaround with the font substitution on Windows no longer works :(. Now the UI is either huge again at 100%, wasting space, or texts become blurry/not aligned to pixel grid when using the 92% scaling option (which gives the “good enough” density).

I want to be able to use Segoe UI again at 100%, please.

Finally. Thanks.

Glad you are listening, thanks. Now waiting for outlines in buttons, main menu, filter boxes, switches, tabs and probably somewhere else, I don’t even remember all places.

And make a normal contrast and clearly visible frames for internal windows!!! Return blue active form frame and make a clearly visible frames for inactive form, there is no difference between form background color with tabs and inactive title bar color.
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Your mouse pointer is huge. With default settings I do not observe this, it works OK.
Probably the application is not aware of the mouse pointer size, don’t you have this issue with other tooltips e.g. in a browser?

It would be very nice when default column width in the panels would be selected such that typical data in such colums fits in it.
Now, I need to re-size columns for about every window that I open.
It would also be nice when there would be an auto-size option where the columns are sized depending on the largest value, e.g. like in Excel where you can double-click the column boundary to do that. Or maybe even a global auto-size option where all columns are auto-resized everywhere, like in a HTML table without sizing attributes.

No, I don’t. Because they draw the tip above the point of the pointer, not bellow it. It’s just a simple fix: draw above instead of bellow.
Or draw it to the left.

Honestly, that’s the first time anything popping up like this gets covered by the pointer. I don’t even know how it’s done by others - never was a problem before.

@Paternot
The item you hover the mouse on is unning, what’s the problem?

The item unning is an example of how it should work. My post with the problem was a little earlier.

Interesting. I tried it with Firefox, Chromium and Opera and none of them do this. I use the Xfce window manager so it may be that the window manager influences this, but I doubt it. I wonder how much of such things (tooltips) is done by the window manager, if anything, and how much is done by the application itself. Maybe there is the option for both methods?
I once worked on a web application that used tooltips to communicate a lot of information, and I remember it was possible to modify the appearance using style sheets. But I wanted to change things like the size of the tooltip and the style of the border, not its positioning.

+1

Thanks a lot for that! Please add auto-sizing of the columns with double click on the column headers boundary.
Please also consider changing combo-box with “Saved”/“Neighbors”/“RoMON Neighbors” on the login screen to tabs.

Regarding login screen, I’d like to suggest something like that. Similar to how panels are done in the Dude.
It would be possible to create as many panels as required and there will be no need to switch. I think it’s even better than just returning tabs.
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